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NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 11:46 am
So I know sometimes we bicker but I've been posting on BBI since I was 12 and you assholes (and I count myself to be one of the many assholes here) are one of my strange chosen families. This is a major accomplishment for me and a culmination of many years of work. We haven't even publicly released our app yet so to be scouted for this simply based on the message we are putting out was an even greater honor.

This actually was published in the AI section of Forbes, so perhaps my annoyance with our GM and his fake typing could be put in some even better context now lol.
The Social Impact Case For Artificial Intelligence’s Role In Achieving Global Financial And Health Equality - ( New Window )
Which is your company?  
NoPeanutz : 9/23/2021 11:49 am : link
Any plans on being at HLTH in Boston next month?
Very cool and Im sure gratifying. Congrats.  
Kmed6000 : 9/23/2021 11:52 am : link
Can you briefly explain how its going to work. How do you plan on giving the everyday investor tranparency? What info will you be giving to retail investors?
Men's infertility issues are driven primarily by environental conditio  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/23/2021 11:55 am : link
far outside their control. It's truly a crisis that no one talks about. We are a society addicted to plastics, industrial chemicals, and modern living just isn't conducive to general health.

The biggest issue with retail investors is that those controlling the money know exactly how to use algorithms and make markets move to scare off retail investors. The script is certainly flipping there though now that people understand their tricks a bit better. I don't know how you take the emotional aspect out of retail trading. Is that what you are trying to accomplish? Sure seems like it.
I just don't know what info you can give to the retail investor  
Kmed6000 : 9/23/2021 11:58 am : link
to even the playing field.
It's Prospero and Kmed what we do is sit somewhere in between  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 12:41 pm : link
the mountain of information that you get on like a broker or yahoo Finance and an oversimplified price target.

My biggest issue with price targets is if a stock is trading at $50 and has an $80 price target a lot of people don't know the volatility and risk inherent in a stock that can move that much. The first goal is to visualize that relationship better by giving both a gain and loss probability forecast.

These are the 10 signals we think you need to get a picture for what really moves a stock. Where we differentiate is that we are actually an investment education app, we are trying to teach people about the real drivers of the market and how to compare stocks and most importantly doing it in an unbiased way. There is no trading on our platform or dark monetization schemes our research can be trusted as purely in the interests of teaching people as much about the market as possible. We actually want to earn people's trust, not their money. We do have some great ways to monetarize later on but we will actually let our users have agency in how we do that instead of doing it in secret.

This is great NGD  
cosmicj : 9/23/2021 12:42 pm : link
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Dark pools are what drove me out of the industry  
Kmed6000 : 9/23/2021 12:45 pm : link
as a day trader. Very, very shady things happen in the markets. I'm not sure there is ANY information that will level the playing field.
RE: I just don't know what info you can give to the retail investor  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15380268 Kmed6000 said:
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to even the playing field.


The rest of our edge is built in conjunction with partnering with our users. We will actually ask them questions about how they expect to earn, how much debt they will pay down, what companies they expect to spend on etc.

I did AI as a service before this and got all too familiar with the way funds use alternative data like real time credit card swipes, retail camera data, web traffic, etc. But that's all point of sale. By partnering with users we can actually gather what is in their heads, their intentions and that is much harder to get people to hand over.

At about 10K per day question responses we will start to be able to see value in the data. At 100K we can expect some statistically significant results. At 1M we could our predictions could start being of comparable value to what high net worth individuals get.
RE: Dark pools are what drove me out of the industry  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/23/2021 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15380323 Kmed6000 said:
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as a day trader. Very, very shady things happen in the markets. I'm not sure there is ANY information that will level the playing field.


I just got fucked in the SPRT/GREE fiasco. Have the lawfirm that did the Enron scandal and they are pretty insistent we don't shop this bad boy around so it seems like we have a case, but the whole situation has me soured on the bullshit that happens in the markets.
RE: Men's infertility issues are driven primarily by environental conditio  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15380264 Zeke's Alibi said:
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far outside their control. It's truly a crisis that no one talks about. We are a society addicted to plastics, industrial chemicals, and modern living just isn't conducive to general health.

The biggest issue with retail investors is that those controlling the money know exactly how to use algorithms and make markets move to scare off retail investors. The script is certainly flipping there though now that people understand their tricks a bit better. I don't know how you take the emotional aspect out of retail trading. Is that what you are trying to accomplish? Sure seems like it.


Yeah you are on the right track here. Retail is strength in numbers but they need to move on from this short squeeze stuff and become smarter investors. This platform gives them a way to invest more confidently in the face of the manipulation and psychological warfare of hedge funds (many employ psychologists to make the bots trade in patterns manipulate retail investor trading behavior)

Not to mention the total BS payment for order flow stuff. It has gotten out of hand but people have shown they are willing to band together and fight back. Professional traders now invest with AI at their backs and retail investors should have the same benefit of seeing that intelligence. People are going to invest regardless of how stacked the deck is against them, we just want to help them do that armed with the best possible information.
RE: RE: Dark pools are what drove me out of the industry  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15380335 Zeke's Alibi said:
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as a day trader. Very, very shady things happen in the markets. I'm not sure there is ANY information that will level the playing field.



I just got fucked in the SPRT/GREE fiasco. Have the lawfirm that did the Enron scandal and they are pretty insistent we don't shop this bad boy around so it seems like we have a case, but the whole situation has me soured on the bullshit that happens in the markets.



Too bad you weren't in my Facebook group, I'm linking below. I actually advise people on trades there. You could actually see right there in the docs that it was going to be a massive dilutive event when SPRT merged. They basically did 90% dilution so the short interest in the company and other peripherals didn't really matter...

Linking to the group...
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The short squeeze stuff is solid in bull markets and with the right  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/23/2021 12:58 pm : link
companies, but that certainly won't be 2022 and moving forward, so definitely need to adjust the strategy. The dark pool nonsense has got to go. I watched a stock drop 50% in the premarket before I even had a chance to trade it, how the fuck is that legal? Some brokers still haven't divied out shares, and I think it's because they are having trouble locating them.
Congrats, NGD  
Anakim : 9/23/2021 12:59 pm : link
I don't understand much about AI, but sounds great!
I already knew it was going to be diluted by 90%  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/23/2021 1:02 pm : link
What I was not prepared for is that they were able to trade it while the hedge funds could. It is my understanding there is a cooldown period from bell to bell, but this rushed merger fucked a lot of people and of course the SEC and DTCC are asleep at the wheel. Apparently, we have a solid case, so hopefully I can get 2/3rds back at some junction in time. There was a ton of fuckery behind the scenes on this bad boy and I don't think the law firm that took on Enron is taking cases unless they think they can win.
congratulations on such lofty recognition  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/23/2021 1:09 pm : link
I'd be lying if I said I fully understand the basis of your company's analysis here -- but I give you kudos for trying and being recognized like this

Good Luck with your endeavors
RE: congratulations on such lofty recognition  
Anakim : 9/23/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15380369 gidiefor said:
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I'd be lying if I said I fully understand the basis of your company's analysis here -- but I give you kudos for trying and being recognized like this

Good Luck with your endeavors


That makes two of us. Must be a lawyer thing.
My Dad is a lawyer  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 1:48 pm : link
and sometimes I cringe at the way he explains my company. It could be a lawyer thing lol.

And thanks for the congrats everyone. gidie especially, I know we've had our spats, so I appreciate the kudos. It's always nice to see that you can disagree strongly but still celebrate accomplishments.

We are actually working on being a little more clear about what we do and how we do it. We've staffed up 2 product teams (one more technical and one more qualitative) to help us do this.

But any feedback on perhaps doesn't make sense about what was shared here would be great!
Super Cool Dayne  
Chris in San Diego : 9/23/2021 2:41 pm : link
I signed up for your beta. I'm a great test of the low bar of user intellect for ya!!!
Congrats. Good luck  
robbieballs2003 : 9/23/2021 3:37 pm : link
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christian : 9/23/2021 3:42 pm : link
NGD — great job. As you know, I have great respect for your work and knowledge.
Congrats, NGD!! Great work.  
Sean : 9/23/2021 3:43 pm : link
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Nice link NGD...  
bw in dc : 9/23/2021 3:47 pm : link
Great job.

If my Fat friend from Charlotte was around, I'm sure he'd say the same... ;)
Congrats man  
UConn4523 : 9/23/2021 3:51 pm : link
haven’t read through it yet but will when I have some time. I’m useless on the investment banking industry, but maybe I’ll learn something.
That really is wonderful. Good luck with your overall endeavor  
chick310 : 9/23/2021 4:04 pm : link
and the upcoming app release NoGain!
RE: RE: congratulations on such lofty recognition  
Milton : 9/23/2021 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15380375 Anakim said:
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In comment 15380369 gidiefor said:


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I'd be lying if I said I fully understand the basis of your company's analysis here -- but I give you kudos for trying and being recognized like this

Good Luck with your endeavors



That makes two of us. Must be a lawyer thing.
It makes three of us (and I'm not even a lawyer)! Mazel Tov NGD!!!
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NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 5:20 pm : link
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NGD — great job. As you know, I have great respect for your work and knowledge.


Lol I didn’t actually know that I thought that street might have been one way but good to know now!
RE: Nice link NGD...  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15380544 bw in dc said:
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Great job.

If my Fat friend from Charlotte was around, I'm sure he'd say the same... ;)


I’m sure he’s on his way to congratulate me right now!


NGD  
Bill2 : 9/23/2021 5:49 pm : link
Bravo.

Best wishes in the months ahead when the chaos of leads comes your way!
Thanks Bill  
NoGainDayne : 9/23/2021 6:32 pm : link
it’s been a journey, challenging to self fund a company but I’ve also happy that so many have been willing to take much of their compensation in equity. Very grateful for that and my team.

It’s a risk to bootstrap but one of my main interests in doing it that way was being able to take our time and listen to what our potential users wanted and learn more about our market. But next week we will release the public beta to our first group of users and I expect that to amplify the attention even more! It’s certainly very exciting and appreciate the kind words from you and everyone on this thread.
Good for you No gain!  
short lease : 9/24/2021 3:46 am : link

Seriously congratulations ...
RE: Super Cool Dayne  
NoGainDayne : 9/24/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15380464 Chris in San Diego said:
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I signed up for your beta. I'm a great test of the low bar of user intellect for ya!!!


I missed this one yesterday! Was flying back to NY after living on the west coast for a bit. Definitely thanks for signing up! Excited to see how much we can teach you
Congrats on the recognition by Forbes.  
CT Charlie : 9/24/2021 1:26 pm : link
I consider myself a smart guy – don't we all? – but the article made little sense to me. My only takeaways from the investing half of the article were, "We're gonna give the little guy access to data that only the big boys have now" and "The more people who sign up for our service, the better."

I don't know you, and I may or may not be the target audience, but this lone data point at a keyboard thinks your marketing people – really, whoever writes copy – need to embrace brevity and clarity.
Congrats NGD  
montanagiant : 9/24/2021 1:45 pm : link
You should be extremely proud my good man!
RE: Congrats on the recognition by Forbes.  
NoGainDayne : 9/25/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15381363 CT Charlie said:
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I consider myself a smart guy – don't we all? – but the article made little sense to me. My only takeaways from the investing half of the article were, "We're gonna give the little guy access to data that only the big boys have now" and "The more people who sign up for our service, the better."

I don't know you, and I may or may not be the target audience, but this lone data point at a keyboard thinks your marketing people – really, whoever writes copy – need to embrace brevity and clarity.


Well if it’s the article we didn’t get a whole lot of say in that. We are definitely working on some new things for our website though. It’s definitely a challenge to explain what we are doing and how we do it in a concise way. I’d agree that the article is long though haha
RE: RE: Nice link NGD...  
steve in ky : 9/25/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15380618 NoGainDayne said:
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Great job.

If my Fat friend from Charlotte was around, I'm sure he'd say the same... ;)



I’m sure he’s on his way to congratulate me right now!



Well at least now you no longer have to worry about threatening to sue him for possibly revealing your real identity since you have done so yourself by posting this. Haha

Congrats on the article, I hope it gets you all the attention you desire and that your new venture is successful.
I could give two shits about him revealing my identity  
NoGainDayne : 9/25/2021 4:41 pm : link
threatening me about doing it. While also fabricating facts about me. Yeah that’s serious. I’m not going to let anyone threaten me. And that’s the point, let’s see how far he gets trying to lie about me to discredit me now. I think it’s honestly possible he’s DG, but either way I’m still curious to know why he feels so qualified to speak on technology when he’s consistently shown to not understand it very well himself. He even accused me of making up this coverage, he’s a drain on heathy discussions of things and I hope he stays in whatever troll hole he’s crawled into.
My post was meant to be light hearted  
steve in ky : 9/25/2021 5:13 pm : link
Didn’t mean to start something. I just found it ironic and humorous to see you reference him in the very thread you linked your personal information because I thought I remember you getting really upset with him for possibly tipping off your identity. Maybe I’m just remembering wrong, and I apologize if I am.

I thought you would laugh it off as funny as well after seeing the irony but clearly I touched on a raw nerve, sorry to have upset you.

As far as everything else you bring up I kind of have always tried to not get into too much about someone who is not active or in the thread to defend himself so I’m not going down that rabbit hole.

Again congratulations on the article.
Yeah thanks for the congratulations and sorry  
NoGainDayne : 9/25/2021 5:34 pm : link
I missed the light heartedness. I did get pissed at him because the threat also came along with something untruthful about me and it is a sore subject because it is a bit scary to have someone both threaten to reveal your identify and also show they are willing to have a loose relationship with the truth.

I honestly wouldn’t have cared about someone even revealing my identity if they didn’t also show themselves to have such a willingness to attack me and really try to drag me personally to make my observations on the Giants seem off base. I’m not a very private person, I have big goals and those take precedence over my privacy. But given those goals, I take those kind of serious shots against me quite seriously. It wasn’t the identity thing, it was all of the assaults on my character and for better or worse I don’t have much of a sense of humor about that
It’s good to have goals  
steve in ky : 9/25/2021 5:50 pm : link
and satisfying to achieve them, I wish you the best with your journey.

As far as analysts I don’t know much at all, and I especially don’t know enough to comment on the merits of either of your point of views about it. I will only say that I seriously doubt that he is David Gettleman. That I’m pretty comfortable concluding.

I wish you well with your venture.

It’s my understanding that this poster was just run  
NoGainDayne : 9/26/2021 11:11 am : link
out of town for fabricating information. Unlike him I’ve copped to what I did and apologized to the board. He called me a liar and a fraud many times and I am a lot of things but not that. So I’m not sure why someone with such minimal scruples and bad intentions on this board would be defended even half heartedly by anyone but I will make the distinction. And no, I’m not going to feel sorry for him that he’s not here to defend himself. Especially as I’ve learned that he took a good poster, Mook down with him
Apparently you really like to go back and forth with people  
steve in ky : 9/26/2021 12:03 pm : link
Look I’ve been on this forum for twenty five years. I don’t fight with people and try to keep a sense of humor and keep thinks light hearted and enjoy poking fun at things I see humor in.

I have already apologized for apparently hitting a raw nerve with you and ended each post in a conciliatory manner, just let it go.

I’m not defending anyone nor attacking you. Unless you think my concluding that he isn’t Gettleman as defending him. But really, Gettleman posting here for probably twenty years himself, even while he was a GM elsewhere, just in case he is ever hired by the Giants as GM and can then defend himself? I mean come on. Even you should be able to see the humor in even remotely believing that possible.

And I’ll add one more thought from things I have learned in twenty five years of posting here. My advise to anyone is don’t take yourself too seriously and learn to laugh at yourself at times. It will make the experience far more pleasurable, and you will likely find yourself in less fights with people. It’s just a message board for fans of a team playing a game. Keep things in perspective.

Have a good day.
I never rule anything out but yeah  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2021 8:27 am : link
it’s definitely unlikely
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