after seeing the actual injury. That was pretty bad.
Reminds me years ago of Kevin Belcher, just as he was beginning to really develop he gets injured in an auto accident and thus Bart Oates comes on the scene.
I will say I was really hoping we were going to grab a C/G combo in the draft. Maybe we can swing a Trade with a team for a solid G but at this point we are where we are at.
This sucks giant donkey balls. Loved his fiery attitude (getting in Donald's face last year comes to mind specifically) and his grittiness. Really hoping he's able to find a way back.
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Nick Gates is still down in a hospital in Virginia. Has some more procedures in his future. Joe Judge couldn’t completely rule out it being a career-ending injury, but seemed hopeful that wasn’t going to be the case.
This sucks giant donkey balls. Loved his fiery attitude (getting in Donald's face last year comes to mind specifically) and his grittiness. Really hoping he's able to find a way back.
100% agree. Really likable guy, was outperforming his undrafted FA status, brought some sorely missed attitude to the offense, and clearly respected by his teammates voting him captain.
I wonder what the purpose of him walking around was. Or did something happen while he was walking on it?
At the time, my reaction was, "Why the hell is he walking on it?"
Over the years, the trend increasingly has been to get people moving as quickly as soon as possible. NOT being mobile puts you at risk of serious complications (pulmonary embolism, i.e. a blood clot from the leg that goes to the lungs), and (maybe less important for an athlete, but still important) to prevent deconditioning that slows the overall recovery. The big risk here without a doubt is infection, which could have disastrous complications and might end his career, but mobility is not really something that increases risk of injection
I wonder what the purpose of him walking around was. Or did something happen while he was walking on it?
At the time, my reaction was, "Why the hell is he walking on it?"
Over the years, the trend increasingly has been to get people moving as quickly as soon as possible. NOT being mobile puts you at risk of serious complications (pulmonary embolism, i.e. a blood clot from the leg that goes to the lungs), and (maybe less important for an athlete, but still important) to prevent deconditioning that slows the overall recovery. The big risk here without a doubt is infection, which could have disastrous complications and might end his career, but mobility is not really something that increases risk of injection
Mobility can be achieved for those purposes without putting weight on the leg.
Nick Gates' Leg Injury could *NOT* be career-ending.
Point is, we have no idea. The doctors probably don't know yet. Sure, a bad leg break could be career ending, or it might have some initial challenges and then heal up well. We have no idea now so this kind of speculation by the media is just easy headlines - the press asked Judge to get this answer so they could write this story for today. It's not a criticism of the media, but it's obvious when they got that answer it's like "and there's my easy story."
Also, if/when he does come back, they get a bonus of also getting to write the comeback story "it could have been career ending, but brave Nick Gates overcame the odds." You could write this narrative about any serious injury.
Joe is what we call a "football coach" and not what experts call an "orthopedic surgeon." So, his comment is what we call "speculative" and "useless" as far as actually knowing more today about NG's health and future.
I don't think this was as serious as Seubert's injurt
A spiral fracture is nasty. No one has said that's the case for Gates' injury.
I remember seeing an X-ray of his injury, and his lower leg was literally in splinters. Around 5 separate pieces. I couldn't imagine that leg getting put back together again, but look what happened.
Suffered this injury if they kept him at center and put one of the backups at left guard?
Impossible to say. But my understanding is that a DL rolled up on the back of his leg. Always a risk for all OL given the nature of the game, and the size of the players involved.
It’s standard procedure for fractures with internal fixation. An orthopedic surgeon posted on the injury thread that he does this as well. As long as the patient can tolerate it it’s fine.
First 2 weeks after the type of surgery Gates had are important
Not to read too much into it but I would have expected something more coach speak like, “he’s a fighter and if there’s a way to get back on the field he’ll find it and this team and the entire Giants will be there every step of the way”. Again, not to read too much into it, but our HC is under a lot of pressure and I wonder if this a very small sign of that pressure.
Regarding the walking after surgery, and I’m no more a physician than I am an NFL head coach, but yeah, it’s counter intuitive maybe, but I think the current medical advice is the sooner the better for walking and weight bearing. Movement helps to ward off infection, clots, etc and the pressure on the actual bone fracture stimulates healing. Again, I’m just some moron on BBI, but I think the hope is that Gates will avoid infection and at least make a full recovery for life after football. And he might well play again. Just too soon to tell. We certainly wish him all the best in his recovery.
Seubert was usually the first guy named in camp reports for getting in a fight, usually early in camp. He was known for feistiness on the line. Super-competitor who overachieved his collegiate status. Suffered a nearly-certain career-ending spiral fracture fairly early in his career. Out a long time but the traits that helped him rise in the first place came through intact and he went on to become a super bowl champ.
Ditto with Gates, over-achiever named a captain because of his play and leadership. Known to not back down to anyone, a physical player. Suffered a potentially career-threatening severe lower leg fracture as a young player. What does the future hold for him?
I'm betting the traits that brought Gates to this point in his career bring him back all the way.
It’s standard procedure for fractures with internal fixation. An orthopedic surgeon posted on the injury thread that he does this as well. As long as the patient can tolerate it it’s fine.
That's true. My question is whether the initial surgery was supposed to be the only surgery. There was nothing said to lead us to believe that this would be a multi-step procedure. If he's still in the hospital because a second surgery is imminent, there was no need to promote healing by having him walk on it. Or did they miss the initial severity or did something additional happen while he was in the cast? There is a possibility that they did not adequately stabilized the leg in the cast, and he hurt it further by walking on it. Not questions I expect BBI to answer, but I'm curious, nonetheless.
There are indeed a lot of parallels between Seubert and Gates
A spiral fracture is nasty. No one has said that's the case for Gates' injury.
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I was just about to post the same thing. Somebody asked Judge the question so he gives the most conservative/cautious answer possible anytime someone suffers a serious injury (other than a typical ACL, which may not be career threatening, but can be career ruining given that not everyone returns 100%). I'm pretty sure Gates will be back, but will he be as good as ever? Was Seubert as good as ever? Who knows?
Does he end up with one leg shorter than the other. That's what happened to Joe Theisman. I don't think he's the only one who's had that issue after a severe break.
It is possible the additional procedure is to make sure that doesn't happen. It's possible to deliberately break a leg and make it longer, but I don't think anyone wants to have to go down that road, especially if there are rods, screws and such holding it together.
RE: I would think the biggest issue with Gates is:
Does he end up with one leg shorter than the other. That's what happened to Joe Theisman. I don't think he's the only one who's had that issue after a severe break.
It is possible the additional procedure is to make sure that doesn't happen. It's possible to deliberately break a leg and make it longer, but I don't think anyone wants to have to go down that road, especially if there are rods, screws and such holding it together.
If one leg is shorter, just put him where he pulls to that side
RE: Sounds Similar to Seubert Injury Some years ago
I think he also had to have more than 1 surgery but he eventually made it back. Gates can make it back but it might very well take him 2 seasons
Without minimizing the injury, there's a big difference between the gates injury based on whats been reported and what seubert went through.
Gruesome as it was broken bone recovery is somewhat routine. It shouldn't take two years. Spiral fractures are significantly worse and harder to predict recovery.
RE: RE: Sounds Similar to Seubert Injury Some years ago
I think he also had to have more than 1 surgery but he eventually made it back. Gates can make it back but it might very well take him 2 seasons
Without minimizing the injury, there's a big difference between the gates injury based on whats been reported and what seubert went through.
Gruesome as it was broken bone recovery is somewhat routine. It shouldn't take two years. Spiral fractures are significantly worse and harder to predict recovery.
Based on the Giants, I would not trust anything based on the reporting
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Reminds me years ago of Kevin Belcher, just as he was beginning to really develop he gets injured in an auto accident and thus Bart Oates comes on the scene.
I will say I was really hoping we were going to grab a C/G combo in the draft. Maybe we can swing a Trade with a team for a solid G but at this point we are where we are at.
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Nick Gates is still down in a hospital in Virginia. Has some more procedures in his future. Joe Judge couldn’t completely rule out it being a career-ending injury, but seemed hopeful that wasn’t going to be the case.
At the time, my reaction was, "Why the hell is he walking on it?"
100% agree. Really likable guy, was outperforming his undrafted FA status, brought some sorely missed attitude to the offense, and clearly respected by his teammates voting him captain.
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I wonder what the purpose of him walking around was. Or did something happen while he was walking on it?
At the time, my reaction was, "Why the hell is he walking on it?"
Over the years, the trend increasingly has been to get people moving as quickly as soon as possible. NOT being mobile puts you at risk of serious complications (pulmonary embolism, i.e. a blood clot from the leg that goes to the lungs), and (maybe less important for an athlete, but still important) to prevent deconditioning that slows the overall recovery. The big risk here without a doubt is infection, which could have disastrous complications and might end his career, but mobility is not really something that increases risk of injection
This is just the Giants luck. They finally find a good offensive lineman among the UDFA's and he suffers a major injury.
If anyone can make it back it's Gates.
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I wonder what the purpose of him walking around was. Or did something happen while he was walking on it?
At the time, my reaction was, "Why the hell is he walking on it?"
Over the years, the trend increasingly has been to get people moving as quickly as soon as possible. NOT being mobile puts you at risk of serious complications (pulmonary embolism, i.e. a blood clot from the leg that goes to the lungs), and (maybe less important for an athlete, but still important) to prevent deconditioning that slows the overall recovery. The big risk here without a doubt is infection, which could have disastrous complications and might end his career, but mobility is not really something that increases risk of injection
Mobility can be achieved for those purposes without putting weight on the leg.
Point is, we have no idea. The doctors probably don't know yet. Sure, a bad leg break could be career ending, or it might have some initial challenges and then heal up well. We have no idea now so this kind of speculation by the media is just easy headlines - the press asked Judge to get this answer so they could write this story for today. It's not a criticism of the media, but it's obvious when they got that answer it's like "and there's my easy story."
Also, if/when he does come back, they get a bonus of also getting to write the comeback story "it could have been career ending, but brave Nick Gates overcame the odds." You could write this narrative about any serious injury.
Joe is what we call a "football coach" and not what experts call an "orthopedic surgeon." So, his comment is what we call "speculative" and "useless" as far as actually knowing more today about NG's health and future.
I remember seeing an X-ray of his injury, and his lower leg was literally in splinters. Around 5 separate pieces. I couldn't imagine that leg getting put back together again, but look what happened.
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Impossible to say. But my understanding is that a DL rolled up on the back of his leg. Always a risk for all OL given the nature of the game, and the size of the players involved.
No it's not. I'm not saying that it's not a serious injury but Seubert's injury was more severe.
I suspect the ability for a very big man to be able to perform professionally as an athlete, his leg would need to return to it’s previous state.
Dak Prescott had a second procedure several weeks after his initial surgery on his injury. I believe it was just a clean up procedure.
Regarding the walking after surgery, and I’m no more a physician than I am an NFL head coach, but yeah, it’s counter intuitive maybe, but I think the current medical advice is the sooner the better for walking and weight bearing. Movement helps to ward off infection, clots, etc and the pressure on the actual bone fracture stimulates healing. Again, I’m just some moron on BBI, but I think the hope is that Gates will avoid infection and at least make a full recovery for life after football. And he might well play again. Just too soon to tell. We certainly wish him all the best in his recovery.
Ditto with Gates, over-achiever named a captain because of his play and leadership. Known to not back down to anyone, a physical player. Suffered a potentially career-threatening severe lower leg fracture as a young player. What does the future hold for him?
I'm betting the traits that brought Gates to this point in his career bring him back all the way.
That's true. My question is whether the initial surgery was supposed to be the only surgery. There was nothing said to lead us to believe that this would be a multi-step procedure. If he's still in the hospital because a second surgery is imminent, there was no need to promote healing by having him walk on it. Or did they miss the initial severity or did something additional happen while he was in the cast? There is a possibility that they did not adequately stabilized the leg in the cast, and he hurt it further by walking on it. Not questions I expect BBI to answer, but I'm curious, nonetheless.
I was just about to post the same thing. Somebody asked Judge the question so he gives the most conservative/cautious answer possible anytime someone suffers a serious injury (other than a typical ACL, which may not be career threatening, but can be career ruining given that not everyone returns 100%). I'm pretty sure Gates will be back, but will he be as good as ever? Was Seubert as good as ever? Who knows?
I was watching a random Giants game from 2002 (before injury) and John Madden called Seubert "the best offensive lineman in the NFL".
It is possible the additional procedure is to make sure that doesn't happen. It's possible to deliberately break a leg and make it longer, but I don't think anyone wants to have to go down that road, especially if there are rods, screws and such holding it together.
It is possible the additional procedure is to make sure that doesn't happen. It's possible to deliberately break a leg and make it longer, but I don't think anyone wants to have to go down that road, especially if there are rods, screws and such holding it together.
If one leg is shorter, just put him where he pulls to that side
Without minimizing the injury, there's a big difference between the gates injury based on whats been reported and what seubert went through.
Gruesome as it was broken bone recovery is somewhat routine. It shouldn't take two years. Spiral fractures are significantly worse and harder to predict recovery.
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I think he also had to have more than 1 surgery but he eventually made it back. Gates can make it back but it might very well take him 2 seasons
Without minimizing the injury, there's a big difference between the gates injury based on whats been reported and what seubert went through.
Gruesome as it was broken bone recovery is somewhat routine. It shouldn't take two years. Spiral fractures are significantly worse and harder to predict recovery.
Based on the Giants, I would not trust anything based on the reporting