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Del Shofner : 9/23/2021 8:20 pm
on NFLHD here. Have no rooting interest but I'll watch a little of it.
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Broncos not drafting  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/23/2021 9:48 pm : link
a QB was always perplexing to me. Maybe they were trying to get Rodgers or thought they could get a Watson deal. But I'd rather have drafted Fields then wait for the idiots in Houston to do something. Hypothetically is Watson is able to play (I think he is but is not playing because reasons) Denver and WFT made both sense. We lost to both of them so who cares at this point. Houston holding off Watson makes no sense since he's not playing and lessens his value a bit.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 9:48 pm : link
I think you guys are completely misinterpreting what I’m saying. I could give a shit about Watson. I’m saying the fact that the Texans didn’t trade him was a disaster.
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BigBlueShock : 9/23/2021 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15380794 ryanmkeane said:
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Easterby is the moron who probably didn’t want to trade him in the off-season. Caserio can’t be that stupid.

Are you related to Watson? Your anger about this is absolutely bizarre. Again, why do you care so much about this?
RE: …  
BigBlueShock : 9/23/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15380799 ryanmkeane said:
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I think you guys are completely misinterpreting what I’m saying. I could give a shit about Watson. I’m saying the fact that the Texans didn’t trade him was a disaster.

But who cares?
RE: …  
ajr2456 : 9/23/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15380799 ryanmkeane said:
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I think you guys are completely misinterpreting what I’m saying. I could give a shit about Watson. I’m saying the fact that the Texans didn’t trade him was a disaster.


Trade him when?? The second the allegations came out March 16 his trade value went into the shitter until he’s cleared
 
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 9:51 pm : link
BigBlue…who cares? I don’t know? Just having a convo about it on a message board because the Texans are playing? Jesus
RE: Darnold over Barkley  
shadow_spinner0 : 9/23/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15380796 Carl in CT said:
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A huge hell no! Nelson, Chubb or Allen? That’s a convo to be determined.

If Reese wasn't fired Chubb would be a Giant, some say Allen but I doubt he'd take someone from Wyoming. Chubb would be nice, but like Barkley has injury problems during his career.
No team was going to give Houston a high draft choice for Watson  
Rick in Dallas : 9/23/2021 9:52 pm : link
Under his current situation. It would be a “clearance sale” trade for sure to rid yourself of Watson
BigBlue  
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 9:52 pm : link
you need to relax my man. I do not care. I’m just saying it’s classic Texans that they didn’t rid themselves of this guy before the season
RE: …  
BigBlueShock : 9/23/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15380804 ryanmkeane said:
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BigBlue…who cares? I don’t know? Just having a convo about it on a message board because the Texans are playing? Jesus

That’s fine. But you seem legit pissed off about it. That’s what I was try to figure out. Go back and read your posts. There’s definitely an angry tone to them.

But whatever. Moving along now.
BigBlue  
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 9:57 pm : link
I get it. I’m just saying that if I was a Texans fan, i would be very curious as to what the hell they are doing here. That’s all
At the moment, at least,  
Joe Beckwith : 9/23/2021 10:05 pm : link
Now that the Texans opened up the O, I’m jealous of the routes their receivers run: they get open.
RE: ajr  
jvm52106 : 9/23/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15380772 ryanmkeane said:
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what’s Watson’s status? Is he eligible to play or not? They are just letting him sit. They are paying his salary aren’t they? Why aren’t they trading him or cutting him?


Because word is if they try to play him the NFL may have to act as far as a suspension goes. Secondly the Texans don't want him and do not want to risk an injury that might make trading him later impossible. He will NEVER play for the Texans again.
Carolina’s  
Dukie Dimes : 9/23/2021 10:06 pm : link
Discipline reminds me of the giants.
Matt Rhule  
cjac : 9/23/2021 10:06 pm : link
Is sort of a cry baby
LOL...  
BillKo : 9/23/2021 10:07 pm : link
....Matt Rhule looks like he just rolled out of bed and decided to come to the game and coach....
RE: LOL...  
cjac : 9/23/2021 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15380817 BillKo said:
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....Matt Rhule looks like he just rolled out of bed and decided to come to the game and coach....


MA! I said I want FRENCH TOAST!?!?

What the FUCK!!!!
Horn's injury looks  
jvm52106 : 9/23/2021 10:09 pm : link
like an Achilles injury.
…..  
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 10:09 pm : link
I find it laughably incompetent that any coach in the modern NFL would punt the ball on 4th and 5 or less from the opponents 40 yard line.
HOU should drop their price on Watson  
littlejoe46 : 9/23/2021 10:11 pm : link
He will not play unless he gets cleared of most of these allegations. With 21 allegations, the chances of that happening are not very high.
His cap hit this year is low  
UConn4523 : 9/23/2021 10:13 pm : link
I understand keeping him especially if the legal stuff gets ironed out by early next year. They can afford to wait.
RE: …..  
Dukie Dimes : 9/23/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15380821 ryanmkeane said:
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I find it laughably incompetent that any coach in the modern NFL would punt the ball on 4th and 5 or less from the opponents 40 yard line.


Where have we seen this before??
big penalty there  
Del Shofner : 9/23/2021 10:15 pm : link
for helmet to helmet
RE: RE: LOL...  
littlejoe46 : 9/23/2021 10:16 pm : link
and we're out of french onion dip again!


In comment 15380819 cjac said:
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In comment 15380817 BillKo said:


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....Matt Rhule looks like he just rolled out of bed and decided to come to the game and coach....



MA! I said I want FRENCH TOAST!?!?

What the FUCK!!!!
RE: RE: …..  
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15380825 Dukie Dimes said:
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In comment 15380821 ryanmkeane said:


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I find it laughably incompetent that any coach in the modern NFL would punt the ball on 4th and 5 or less from the opponents 40 yard line.



Where have we seen this before??

Yeah, and we all said it at the time during the game last Thursday. An incompetent choice.
How  
AcidTest : 9/23/2021 10:18 pm : link
much of a trade market is there for Watson? His off the field problems are very serious and who wants to pay what the Texans are asking?

The Texans are missing several defensive starters IIRC, and have still only surrendered seven points.
This is  
littlejoe46 : 9/23/2021 10:19 pm : link
better than watching a preseason game.



right?
Great  
AcidTest : 9/23/2021 10:21 pm : link
throw by Darnold. He looks miles better than he did with the Jets.
To my fantasy peeps  
littlejoe46 : 9/23/2021 10:21 pm : link
that TD helps no one!
 
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 10:27 pm : link
Again - the completely gutless decision to not go for it on 4th and 4 from the opponents 40 yard line - leads directly to a touchdown for the opponent. If you are a HC in the NFL you simply cannot do that anymore.
Chuba  
Producer : 9/23/2021 10:31 pm : link
isn't the same kind of back CMC is and he's not going to be able to run a lot of those plays. he's more a power guy, than a quick acceleration, hard cut guy.
bad PI call there  
Del Shofner : 9/23/2021 10:34 pm : link
imo
QBs lining up under center  
Debaser : 9/23/2021 10:34 pm : link
scambling when the play calls for it; passing to wide outs.... Liking Darnold and this kinda old school football.
Haason Reddick  
prdave73 : 9/23/2021 10:39 pm : link
already has 3 1/2 sacks for the season. Wasn't he someone the Giants were looking at in Free Agency? Typical Giants always late to the party.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/23/2021 10:41 pm : link
Why would you call a timeout there and then go for the field goal? Just let it expire and get the delay of game. Absolutely stupid.
RE: ....  
Debaser : 9/23/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15380845 BrettNYG10 said:
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Why would you call a timeout there and then go for the field goal? Just let it expire and get the delay of game. Absolutely stupid.


So kick it from 5 yards further? Maybe they called a play and didn't like the look the defense was giving them. Good old school football ther.

They don't need no analytics nerd to tell them how to play. I think peopl e here look at the Ravens and think that is all ther is to football. They are ignoring dominant athletes; great execution ; and well coached well disciplined team. All the things the Giants currently are NOT. Really, I was watching some of the jints and with Danny boy it was like I was watching a college game for a little while . It was like the airline lost a college teams luggage and they borrowed jints uniforms. RPO, shotgun / short passing like 90 percent of them time etc.
why did the jets trade this guy again?  
Debaser : 9/23/2021 10:58 pm : link
why didn't the giants pick this guy again smh
there goes the Rookie WR  
prdave73 : 9/23/2021 11:01 pm : link
Terrace Marshall Jr. someone the Giants could of drafted in the 2nd rd. smh..
3 wins, 3 good games by Darnold  
widmerseyebrow : 9/23/2021 11:03 pm : link
Oh Jets...
Stop  
Carl in CT : 9/23/2021 11:05 pm : link
Sam is playing better but he is not as good as Jones. Don’t even try.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2021 11:07 pm : link
Was a 1 point game until Culley punted on the 40. Game was over after that play call.
RE: Stop  
bw in dc : 9/23/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15380856 Carl in CT said:
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Sam is playing better but he is not as good as Jones. Don’t even try.


He isn't?

I'm not saying Darnold is better than Jones, but he sure the hell isn't inferior to Jones...
I wouldn't say Jones has proved  
BeggarsBanquet : 9/23/2021 11:37 pm : link
he is better than Darnold. It's too early to say who is better. Last year they were both pretty bad.

My guess is that they both prove to be mid range QBs between #14 and #22. Good enough to play for someone, but probably not good enough to expect a championship run from them unless they land on a dominant roster.
Jesus  
Carl in CT : 9/23/2021 11:40 pm : link
Pick anything, career completion %, career QBR, QB Rating, it’s not close.
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GMen72 : 9/23/2021 11:42 pm : link
In comment 15380795 ajr2456 said:
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What I’m saying is, he might not get cleared. Every second that he stays on the Texans roster, his trade value is diminished.



But other teams know this too. Nobody’s trading anything more than like a 4th round pick for him right now. The gamble to wait and hope he gets cleared is worth it.


Rumor has it, the Texans already turned down 2 1sts and othe picks before the season started.

You are both playing the short/wrong game. His value is highest when the criminal aspect of this situation is over. Texans can pay him, and not play him, all year (they're going to suck with or without him)...and if the criminal investigation is over, his trade value is through the roof, especially with a weak QB class coming out of college.

In this case, the longer they hold him, the more his value increases...unless he faces jail time (which would've made any trade void anyway).
RE: RE: RE: …  
Producer : 9/23/2021 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15380872 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15380795 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 15380781 ryanmkeane said:


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What I’m saying is, he might not get cleared. Every second that he stays on the Texans roster, his trade value is diminished.



But other teams know this too. Nobody’s trading anything more than like a 4th round pick for him right now. The gamble to wait and hope he gets cleared is worth it.



Rumor has it, the Texans already turned down 2 1sts and othe picks before the season started.

You are both playing the short/wrong game. His value is highest when the criminal aspect of this situation is over. Texans can pay him, and not play him, all year (they're going to suck with or without him)...and if the criminal investigation is over, his trade value is through the roof, especially with a weak QB class coming out of college.

In this case, the longer they hold him, the more his value increases...unless he faces jail time (which would've made any trade void anyway).


pretty much this is an exactly correct assessment of the relative leverage and mechanics of this market. I wouldn't say Watson's value increases over time, the Texans will lose opportunity cost, they are stifling a bit until this is worked out, but it is all about the criminal component. If they come through this without a criminal complaint, they will probably get three firsts.
...  
Toth029 : 9/24/2021 12:14 am : link
1) Joe Brady will have a coaching job next year

2) Hassan Reddick is on a one year deal. He had a career year and really didn't light it up with pressures on Arizona. But he's looked good. Now if he keeps it up: big deal or CAR loses him

3) Watson being paid right now is ridiculous. Screw the trade chatter. When Ben, Zeke, etc. were suspended, they weren't paid. Why is he not suspended, at least?
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Debaser : 9/24/2021 4:00 am : link
In comment 15380858 ryanmkeane said:
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Was a 1 point game until Culley punted on the 40. Game was over after that play call.


Um no. Game was over when Darnold marched his team down the field for a second time in a row. And he culkd have done it from mid-field if the Texans went for it, did not get it, and turned it over on downs; instead of his own 10 yard line.

This place really needs to get off of this "new football" shit. At the end of the day ; it still a physical contest. Some nerds meaningless stats do not win games. This team --the jints-- are not going to magically start winning games with a low skill QB; an inexperienced , low skill coach, and pretty much bad football team all around by calling RPOs every down and going for it on 4th down.
Giants and Panthers Hired new HC at same time  
DavidinBMNY : 9/24/2021 6:19 am : link
And the panthers are 3-0 and look good. I even live in NC, wishing here I was a panthers fan after the same old sorry start...
RE: Giants and Panthers Hired new HC at same time  
section125 : 9/24/2021 6:32 am : link
In comment 15380906 DavidinBMNY said:
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And the panthers are 3-0 and look good. I even live in NC, wishing here I was a panthers fan after the same old sorry start...


Well, then do so...why root for a shitty team?
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