David Tepper bought the Panthers a few years ago, and 2019 was the year he started putting his stamp on the organization. His quote about overhauling the football operations back in 2019 was debated (linked below).
A lot of us on BBI, myself included wanted Matt Rhule. The Giants never even had the chance to talk to him. Yes, Rhule called the Giants with the opportunity to match, but it was way too late. Why didn’t ownership talk to Rhule? Because they let Tepper dictate the negotiation. Tepper flew to Waco to pitch Rhule, the Giants waited for Rhule to come to them. Tepper closed the deal.
Both the Giants & Panthers were in a similar spot after 2019. The difference is, the Giants hired Judge and pretty much stopped there. The Panthers hired Rhule and it was clear they immediately had a clear plan in place. The team FULLY committed to defense in the 2020 & 2021 drafts. A clear vision for what the team will look like.
The Panthers retained GM Marty Hurney after 2019, but only briefly. Hurney was fired last December and a new GM was brought in to work with Rhule.
Lastly, the Panthers trade for Darnold for pennies on the dollar, and Darnold is now playing better after being saddled with Gase.
I’m not bailing on Judge, Rhule has much more support in Carolina. But, this is another example of many BBI’ers calling all of this in real time. Tepper knew what was needed and executed, the Giants didn’t.
The Giants are ALWAYS reactive. It is always a game of whac-a-mole trying to address needs. There never seems to be a vision for building a team. Continuing to use the draft to reach for needs.
It is very frustrating. The Panthers very well make the playoffs this year while the Giants may struggle to finish 6-11. When will it finally hit home with Mara?
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Nobody is saying they’re completely rebuilt or primed to make the playoffs but if you can’t tell they’re ahead of the Giants you’re blinded by your fandom. We’ll see in a couple weeks.
Some honest questions for you.
Do you think it's equally fair to think the NYG have good young players?
Is it fair to think Judge is a modern head coach?
Was it fair to think it looked like the NYG had a modern DC last year?
Or is it only fair for those opinions to be had about other teams?
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You can sarcastically quote tweet analytics all you want if it makes you feel better but this is what smart and successful organizations are implementing into their game plans and roster building philosophies. An inability to think outside the box and adapt to the modern realities of the game is precisely why we're stuck in this cycle of losing.
Yea, I will quote it thanks.
When you ask specifically what the plan is and someone says "analytics" you know it's just a security blanket.
There is a lot more to football than analytics.
Of course there is, it's not baseball. But if you're dismissing it outright then you're not getting it
Above I mentioned the Joe Brady hire compared to us hiring Garrett. I mentioned an efficient use of cap space compared to us being capped out having to restructure contracts to move money down the line, only furthering our issues in the future. I mentioned a coach that understands making plus expected value in-game decisions and isn't kicking 56 yard field goals on 4th and 3.
Now who's being vague? There is nothing you can point to to suggest we are pointed in the right direction. All I've seen you say is "we'll see, long season." We've been saying the same shit for years. Open your eyes to what is happening in front of you and put fan bias aside for a second
Well no, in this thread I've mentioned several times in terms of talent acquisition the Giants are set up better than the Panthers and just about anyone in the league next year via the draft with 9 picks and 5 premium picks. Is that not "planning" on the Giants part?
That's not me or them sitting back talking about past Super Bowl glory, is it?
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I’m not sure what about they have a lot of good young players, modern offensive coordinator and a modern head coach is so god damn difficult to grasp.
Nobody is saying they’re completely rebuilt or primed to make the playoffs but if you can’t tell they’re ahead of the Giants you’re blinded by your fandom. We’ll see in a couple weeks.
Some honest questions for you.
Do you think it's equally fair to think the NYG have good young players?
Is it fair to think Judge is a modern head coach?
Was it fair to think it looked like the NYG had a modern DC last year?
Or is it only fair for those opinions to be had about other teams?
1) What good young players do the Giants have that are long term pieces on defense? McKinney and Lawrence? Who else has proven anything?
2) Judge is not a modern head coach. It’s clear in his decision making.
3) advanced analytics were unkind to the Giants defense last year, which left open the possibility for regression.
Not a chance in hell.
On this we agree - this is a key area where Carolina did a lot better than we did. But just like Judge kicked Columbo to the curb if he's the right guy he will make the adjustment needed. I have 0 faith in Garrett but they did certainly make a lot of positive adjustments from week 1 to week 2.
Not a chance in hell.
So for just money Mara could have matched the Panthers and brought in Rhule and satisfied all the talking heads.
Instead he passed and hired a little known special teams coordinator from the Pats with no HC experience and you people think Mara has a problem with risk?
That doesn't make a ton of sense does it? I'd argue he took a pretty huge risk.
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Might be one of the top things to be jealous about. Does anyone have any confidence Mara and Gettleman would make a forward thinking hire, that came with a ton of risk, like that?
Not a chance in hell.
So for just money Mara could have matched the Panthers and brought in Rhule and satisfied all the talking heads.
Instead he passed and hired a little known special teams coordinator from the Pats with no HC experience and you people think Mara has a problem with risk?
That doesn't make a ton of sense does it? I'd argue he took a pretty huge risk.
Until you look at how they arrived at Joe Judge. If Judge isn’t part of Bill’s coaching tree and have the old school football guy mentality do the Giants still hire him?
The Bills
The Bucs
The Browns
They each did it differently, but these are the teams that Giants fans should be looking at to carve out a path from the shit hole they have created for themselves.
There are many organizations that have proven to be better run over the past 10 years. The Panthers aren't one of them.
If your frame of reference is the past 2 years, they will have 1 additional win than us provided we beat the Falcons.
A very interesting point, noting a 10 year history when the original post specifically calls out enormous changes made 2-3 years ago.
Giants need success on the football field. If you've played the game in an organized arena, you recognize good signs pointing toward winning trend emerging, towards ascension to a team capable of earning a playoff spot, and more. Right now, there are few outside of how they tend to perform vs WFT and one game where they out-slugged the Seahawks at their own game.
Right now, I see a team the first two opponents have figured out on film. Now, the Giants really need to clean up their fundamentals, discipline, and focus, and the coordinators have to get outside their boxes, quickly. Because their players need to be put in a better position to execute, but they've got to clean up their play on the field quickly.
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and they looked very, very ordinary after that happened
Darnold is good when there is no pressure on him -- the knock against him is that he comes up small in big spots
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I'm jealous they lost their star running back and were able to adjust instead of using it as an excuse.
Brett, absolutely.
1) What good young players do the Giants have that are long term pieces on defense? McKinney and Lawrence? Who else has proven anything?
By definition if you have young players they likely haven't proven much...because they are young. And the NYG starting 22 last year was I believe the youngest in football.
To answer your question though in terms who I believe the. good young defensive pieces are I think McKinney, Lawrence, Williams, Bradberry, Martinez are multi-year positive impact starters. Peppers, Ojulari, and Jackson each have a chance too. None of those guys making a pro bowl or two as Giants would be a huge shock and I believe at least 3 or 4 of them have already made pro bowls in their careers. I've been a Brian Burns fan since he spurned UM for FSU so I'd probably take him over everyone on that list with the possible exceptions of Bradberry/Williams. He's the player I was hoping would fall in 2019 when they ended up with Lawrence.
Minor aside - over the last 10-15 years I've stopped believing the word "long term" has a place in the NFL at least for non-QBs (steve smith, nicks, kenny phillips, justin tuck, jpp, cruz, obj, collins all looked destined for long careers here and we know how that went). imo you either have guys who are a net positive impact (with hopefully 1 or 2 true stars sprinkled in) who you expect to start for multiple seasons or replacement level placeholders who other teams target and expose regularly. The key is minimizing the latter.
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I don't agree that this is clearly defined yet. Defensively the NYG philosophy has trended towards modern analytical best practices for several years investing most heavily in coverage units - just like BAL/NE.
On the offensive side Garrett is the antiquated piece that doesn't fit and how Judge handles him will be very telling. IMO it's probably the key factor to how this season plays out. It is squarely on Judge to do what needs to be done to have more offensive performances like last Thursday and more defensive performances like last year. Modern coaches know how to adapt to optimize their teams performance.
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the possibility of regression is part and parcel to success. if you succeed there is a chance for regression if you don't succeed, no regression. Adding Jackson and Ojulari in particular were efforts at hedging that regression. Along with the fact that as mentioned above it was a very young team last year so expecting some individuals to progress if others were due to regress.
For me personally I wasn’t getting into a deeper topic of the franchise and all of its components… All I know is right now they are undefeated and look good doing it… with a young quarterback who at least for the moment appears to be resurrected in a good nucleus of players.
They also have a coach that many teams, including the Giants, wanted. So yes, right now I wish we were in their position as opposed to winless and once again hoping we can scratch out a win this week
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
For me personally I wasn’t getting into a deeper topic of the franchise and all of its components… All I know is right now they are undefeated and look good doing it… with a young quarterback who at least for the moment appears to be resurrected in a good nucleus of players.
They also have a coach that many teams, including the Giants, wanted. So yes, right now I wish we were in their position as opposed to winless and once again hoping we can scratch out a win this week
imo there can be a distinction between being jealous of a 3-0 record (who wouldn't rather be 3-0?) and urging some caution about the team's underlying situation.
I was jealous of their 3-2 record last year (seriously, there are probably even posts if you search for them) but then I was the opposite of jealous when they lost 9 of their last 11 games.
So far I am not jealous of Darnold's performance relative to Jones, even with them having Brady and us saddled with Garrett.
I am jealous of their defensive performance - they are 3-0 right now because their defense is holding their opponents to 10 points per game - which would set a record for ppg allowed if it continued.
But I'm inclined to believe that record setting pace is more likely to be an outlier result of playing 2 rookie QB's in their first NFL starts (and Winston) than the even more outlier possibility that they are the best defense of all time. I'm jealous of their record and Joe Brady but not much else.
As well realize that #8 is a franchise QB we are great shape for next ten season.
The last game really laid Judge low in my estimation. Just completely out coached. He really has to do something besides look like some big fat oaf that curses out refs when a call goes against him. And fuck your time outs. If you are a Beichek disciple when the offense was on the field at some point, last game, you should rounded all of them up with a white board in your hand and drew up some X's and O's right in the middle of the game.
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
Ok so weighted by age of starting players u27, the good young players on Carolina are Burns (23), Brown (23), Chinn (23), Horn (21)?
And qualifying Giants would be Lawrence (22), McKinney (21), Ojulari (21)? Crowder (24) or Love (23) maybe too?
And slightly older on both sides Peppers (25), Adoree Jackson (26), Carter (25), and Donte Jackson (25)?
Burns is the standout of that u27 group but the nyg overall talent base isn't in a different galaxy. And I think they have the edge in the a27/28 group (I'd take Bradberry, Williams, Martinez > Thompson, Reddick).
The stats from this year obviously lean Carolina's way right now but everyone mentioned above except Horn and Reddick were on Carolina last year, when the NYG defense was a lot better over a full year.
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They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
Ok so weighted by age of starting players u27, the good young players on Carolina are Burns (23), Brown (23), Chinn (23), Horn (21)?
And qualifying Giants would be Lawrence (22), McKinney (21), Ojulari (21)? Crowder (24) or Love (23) maybe too?
And slightly older on both sides Peppers (25), Adoree Jackson (26), Carter (25), and Donte Jackson (25)?
Burns is the standout of that u27 group but the nyg overall talent base isn't in a different galaxy. And I think they have the edge in the a27/28 group (I'd take Bradberry, Williams, Martinez > Thompson, Reddick).
The stats from this year obviously lean Carolina's way right now but everyone mentioned above except Horn and Reddick were on Carolina last year, when the NYG defense was a lot better over a full year.
You're really reaching if you are talking up this D. They have looked absolutely awful. And what is this 3 years now thay looked completely jv in weeks 1 and 2. Looked horrible against Dallas week 2 that got Eli benched.
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same with Terps, saying I'm 'caping for Gettleman" and going down with the ship.
Nope. I said Jones would play better this year and take the next step. I said Thomas would be fine. That looks like it's starting to happen is it not?
Jones had one good game this year and you think you’re right? Comical. Weren’t you saying this team was going to be good last year?
Nope - I said they'd win 6 games. Which they did.
So when are we supposed to start saying that Jones is playing well then? After 7 good games in a row?
I mean, good QBs play 7 good games in a row all the time. If Jones is as good as you say, that shouldn't be a problem for him.
Darnold is young and playing very well.
D is solid.
I believe they are the only NFL team to not play from behind this season.
you all can twist yourselves into pretzel knots trying to minimize the Panthers 3-0 record... and again, I don't think they are some juggernaut of the NFL... but they are in better overall shape than we are and considering we sort of started from the same spot, that sucks.
And what has McCaffrey done in the NFL that Barkley hasn't exactly? McCaffrey has been hurt just as much.
C'mon man, McCaffrey never missed a game in his first 3 seasons. Last year was the first season he ever missed a game. As far as this current injury is concerned, the latest reports I've heard is that it will only be a 2-3 week thing.
Darnold is young and playing very well.
D is solid.
I believe they are the only NFL team to not play from behind this season.
you all can twist yourselves into pretzel knots trying to minimize the Panthers 3-0 record... and again, I don't think they are some juggernaut of the NFL... but they are in better overall shape than we are and considering we sort of started from the same spot, that sucks.
I hope you werent onenof the people saying the Giants ending the season 5-3 last year meant nothing..
And Darnold ha splayed well but Jones has played just as eell if not better than Darnold..
I didn't say there was guaranteed success. I suggested that Tepper's mindset and business approach fit the way the game is moving today. He's all in on finding the best, most reliable variables to help build the best football teams.
When he talks about football it's like listening to someone who is the complete opposite of Mara.
Ok, so your evidence of this grand plan is subjective and anecdotal at best.
My conclusion is simple deductive reasoning.
That said there is a long season to go so let’s see what these guys can do. All this talking really means nothing, the proof is in the wins and losses and we have not had a lot of wins the last several years.
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Are 28 and 27 respectively. Williams is 27.
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
Ok so weighted by age of starting players u27, the good young players on Carolina are Burns (23), Brown (23), Chinn (23), Horn (21)?
And qualifying Giants would be Lawrence (22), McKinney (21), Ojulari (21)? Crowder (24) or Love (23) maybe too?
And slightly older on both sides Peppers (25), Adoree Jackson (26), Carter (25), and Donte Jackson (25)?
Burns is the standout of that u27 group but the nyg overall talent base isn't in a different galaxy. And I think they have the edge in the a27/28 group (I'd take Bradberry, Williams, Martinez > Thompson, Reddick).
The stats from this year obviously lean Carolina's way right now but everyone mentioned above except Horn and Reddick were on Carolina last year, when the NYG defense was a lot better over a full year.
Burns, Brown and Chin are immensely better than the Giants under 27 group. Peppers has been average at best and brutal this year so far. He’s not even being kept on the field.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
The Giants were one of the model franchises for a long time. Very hard to out scheme physicality to a championship. When they establish that again with the right HC and QB they’ll contend again.
Pretty obvious Rhule is building a fast physical team. Time will tell if he has his QB. He learned well from TC.
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
It would be nice if they could string together some wins so we could test your theory.
On one side we have facts: the Giants are 0-2 and the worst team in the NFL the last five years, yet there are people here resenting posters who criticize the Giants.
On the other side we have a theory: if the Giants are good the critical posters would keep whining anyway.
- 15-35
- 0 weeks above .500 since 2016
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
It would be nice if they could string together some wins so we could test your theory.
On one side we have facts: the Giants are 0-2 and the worst team in the NFL the last five years, yet there are people here resenting posters who criticize the Giants.
On the other side we have a theory: if the Giants are good the critical posters would keep whining anyway.
- 15-35
- 0 weeks above .500 since 2016
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
The Panthers had a worse record than the Giants last season. After 3 wins, two of which were the Jets and Texans, all you assclowns are in awe and full of praise. Are you seriously saying you’d have the same viewpoint if the Giants beat those teams? Because we all know the answer to that. You’d say exactly what I said in my post. And you know it. It’s ok for you to think that the Giants suck and still think it’s laughable that posters are somehow “jealous” of the freakin Panthers. But of course you won’t do that. You’re so arrogant and self important that you think if you hone enough on a chat board you’ll have influence on the Giants. How’s that worked out for ya so far?
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
It would be nice if they could string together some wins so we could test your theory.
On one side we have facts: the Giants are 0-2 and the worst team in the NFL the last five years, yet there are people here resenting posters who criticize the Giants.
On the other side we have a theory: if the Giants are good the critical posters would keep whining anyway.
- 15-35
- 0 weeks above .500 since 2016
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
The Panthers had a worse record than the Giants last season. After 3 wins, two of which were the Jets and Texans, all you assclowns are in awe and full of praise. Are you seriously saying you’d have the same viewpoint if the Giants beat those teams? Because we all know the answer to that. You’d say exactly what I said in my post. And you know it. It’s ok for you to think that the Giants suck and still think it’s laughable that posters are somehow “jealous” of the freakin Panthers. But of course you won’t do that. You’re so arrogant and self important that you think if you hone enough on a chat board you’ll have influence on the Giants. How’s that worked out for ya so far?
LOL wow, the caricatures people will create to dismiss opinions they don't like
While true they haven't beaten anyone great, they won and played well against those teams. If we swapped places, I'd be cautiously optimistic. Beats the hell out of my current feelings.
The Panthers look like they are a step ahead of the Giants. I wish the Giants were there. We’ll see Sunday.
I thought the Giants were an 8 win team going in, and I truly thought there was no way the lowly WFT hangs with the Giants on a short week with a back up QB. That gave me pause.
The Panthers look like they are a step ahead of the Giants. I wish the Giants were there. We’ll see Sunday.
I thought the Giants were an 8 win team going in, and I truly thought there was no way the lowly WFT hangs with the Giants on a short week with a back up QB. That gave me pause.
The Giants upcoming schedule is brutal. If they lose to Atlanta I have no idea where the wins are coming from.
That said, the Panthers play the Giants in a month. We shall see how this thread ages at that point.
If you switched the Panthers and Giants this place would be in an orgasmic frenzy about how good they are.
But why created the caricature of a poster thinking that they'll influence the Giants by whining enough on BBI? Ridiculous
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Not sure what opinion you’re talking about but I’m fully aware the Giants suck. I’m as pissed as anyone else even if I’m not whining about it on 700 threads a day saying the same thing over and over and over and over again. I’ve been plenty critical of this team. Gettleman, Garrett and Jones in particular. Where we go our separate ways is I refuse to bow down to the all mighty Carolina Panthers because they beat the Jets and Texans. Starting a thread about them? Come on now. Like I said, it’s ok to acknowledge that the Giants suck while also acknowledging that it’s incredibly premature and almost ludicrous to be stroking off to the Panthers at this point, no?
If you switched the Panthers and Giants this place would be in an orgasmic frenzy about how good they are.
But why created the caricature of a poster thinking that they'll influence the Giants by whining enough on BBI? Ridiculous
Not sure how new you are, but posters have literally said that on this board. There have been threads about the Giants having moles on the here. That is a FACT. So I’m not sure what’s so “ridiculous” about it? These posters honestly believe that if they are negative enough on this site the Giants will take notice. You think I’m making this shit up? Unfortunately I’m not.
The Panthers look like they are a step ahead of the Giants. I wish the Giants were there. We’ll see Sunday.
I thought the Giants were an 8 win team going in, and I truly thought there was no way the lowly WFT hangs with the Giants on a short week with a back up QB. That gave me pause.
I remember that thread you started saying we should basically roll WFT. KOD. ;)
But you underestimated Heinicke. He was very good last year in the playoff game against Tampa. A gamer. And it showed last Thursday. Don't know if you know this, but he was incredible at Old Dominion University. Won the Walter Payton Award (the Heisman of 1-AA football). Which is good company with guys like Tony Romo, Jimmy G, Cooper Kupp, Trey Lance, etc.
This could be my KOD moment, but I think we beat ATL by 10.
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Not sure what opinion you’re talking about but I’m fully aware the Giants suck. I’m as pissed as anyone else even if I’m not whining about it on 700 threads a day saying the same thing over and over and over and over again. I’ve been plenty critical of this team. Gettleman, Garrett and Jones in particular. Where we go our separate ways is I refuse to bow down to the all mighty Carolina Panthers because they beat the Jets and Texans. Starting a thread about them? Come on now. Like I said, it’s ok to acknowledge that the Giants suck while also acknowledging that it’s incredibly premature and almost ludicrous to be stroking off to the Panthers at this point, no?
If you switched the Panthers and Giants this place would be in an orgasmic frenzy about how good they are.
But why created the caricature of a poster thinking that they'll influence the Giants by whining enough on BBI? Ridiculous
Not sure how new you are, but posters have literally said that on this board. There have been threads about the Giants having moles on the here. That is a FACT. So I’m not sure what’s so “ridiculous” about it? These posters honestly believe that if they are negative enough on this site the Giants will take notice. You think I’m making this shit up? Unfortunately I’m not.
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I've heard a lot of ridiculous things on sports team forums, but wow. As I have no reason to disbelieve you I'll retract my previous post
But you underestimated Heinicke. He was very good last year in the playoff game against Tampa. A gamer. And it showed last Thursday. Don't know if you know this, but he was incredible at Old Dominion University. Won the Walter Payton Award (the Heisman of 1-AA football). Which is good company with guys like Tony Romo, Jimmy G, Cooper Kupp, Trey Lance, etc.
This could be my KOD moment, but I think we beat ATL by 10.
I underestimated 1) how big of a step back the Giants defensive line has taken 2) how brain dead the defensive philosophy would be to let a Walter Payton award winner have so many uncontested throws.
If the Giants don’t beat Atlanta by 10, I’ll be shocked again!
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so far a better defense, and more effective TEs (Dan Arnold and Tommy Tremble). In fact, the Panthers resemble what the Giants were under Parcells. Maybe this is Matt Rhule's vision of a successful NFL team.
So what’s your prediction 14-3?
They were 5-11 last year. I think a winning record is possible.