David Tepper bought the Panthers a few years ago, and 2019 was the year he started putting his stamp on the organization. His quote about overhauling the football operations back in 2019 was debated (linked below).
A lot of us on BBI, myself included wanted Matt Rhule. The Giants never even had the chance to talk to him. Yes, Rhule called the Giants with the opportunity to match, but it was way too late. Why didn’t ownership talk to Rhule? Because they let Tepper dictate the negotiation. Tepper flew to Waco to pitch Rhule, the Giants waited for Rhule to come to them. Tepper closed the deal.
Both the Giants & Panthers were in a similar spot after 2019. The difference is, the Giants hired Judge and pretty much stopped there. The Panthers hired Rhule and it was clear they immediately had a clear plan in place. The team FULLY committed to defense in the 2020 & 2021 drafts. A clear vision for what the team will look like.
The Panthers retained GM Marty Hurney after 2019, but only briefly. Hurney was fired last December and a new GM was brought in to work with Rhule.
Lastly, the Panthers trade for Darnold for pennies on the dollar, and Darnold is now playing better after being saddled with Gase.
I’m not bailing on Judge, Rhule has much more support in Carolina. But, this is another example of many BBI’ers calling all of this in real time. Tepper knew what was needed and executed, the Giants didn’t.
The Giants are ALWAYS reactive. It is always a game of whac-a-mole trying to address needs. There never seems to be a vision for building a team. Continuing to use the draft to reach for needs.
It is very frustrating. The Panthers very well make the playoffs this year while the Giants may struggle to finish 6-11. When will it finally hit home with Mara?
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Am I jealous? No shot.
Beat Philly, Dallas and WFT for us, then i'll have respect
There are many organizations that have proven to be better run over the past 10 years. The Panthers aren't one of them.
If your frame of reference is the past 2 years, they will have 1 additional win than us provided we beat the Falcons.
2 years later they are a team clearly pointing up and we are running in place (until proven otherwise).
I still like Judge, so not lamenting not getting Rhule but you look at this version of Sam Darnold (the one without Gase) and it makes you question the Barkley pick all over again.
Will re-evaluate at end of season to see if this thread holds up but right now the Panthers definitely seem to have pushed the right buttons while Benny Hill is still walking around muttering about hog mollies and computer guys.
Jones is far better than Darnold. Come on, seriously.. The Texans are horrible and have a (regardless of how nice he is and how much everyone loves him) horrible coach. He makes the worst decisions in game I have ever seen since Jim Zorn!
BTW- the Texans made it known they are willing to trade anyone on their roster. Britt at Center and even Cannon at Rt would be of interest to me.
We need some more tangible signs that what is being done in NY has legs. How long do we give this current process without that?
I would love to be a 3-0 fraud team one day.
I also think we should be jealous that they have already "been there, done that" with Gettleman, and are beyond that mistake, while we are still stuck with him running the show.
I don’t see that process with the Giants. Felt like they were chasing 2016 in March this year.
Let's face it, Mara didn't want to pay what Rhule was asking or give him the decision making latitude. He is just too stuck in his ways...
But the Panthers are off to a very solid start. And any win on a Thursday night - the absolute worst day for an NFL football game with such a short week - is a big deal.
Remember, Rhule and the Panthers started 0-2 last and then whipped off 3 straight wins to go to 3-2. But then they collapsed. So let's tap the breaks a bit, especially if they lose CMC and Horn for significant time.
I do like, however, the decision making authority Rhule has in Carolina. He's really calling the shots on personnel. And he signed off when Tepper wanted to have another voice in the GM role. So they hired Fitterer. The dynamic of having the HC essentially hire the GM is very appealing versus the other way around...
Right now I would not want Rhule over Judge, we ll see how that plays out.
If Lawerence doesn’t jump the first fg attempt, are we even having this discussion, probably not
Things wouldn t be much different, Giants would have still put themselves into a position to lose because they don’t make plays in crunch time, but had they won, don’t think we re having this discussion.
Fans are as a whole are over reactionary on a game by game basis.
It s. It overreacting to be disgusted with the losing, no, that s been going on for a while now, questions should be asked.
Just not sure asking if we re jealous of the Panthers is an objective question.
Rhule got paid, the Giants got Judge.
Time will tell who got the better deal.
Darnold is good when there is no pressure on him -- the knock against him is that he comes up small in big spots
Seriously???
Seriously???
I don’t think it’s strange. I’m talking about organizational process since 2019, I’m not talking historically.
So what’s your prediction 14-3?
Look at the Panthers, omg matt Rhule is 2-0 and aren't we so jealous.
Tepper is considered a genius for paying an inexperienced NFL head coach as if he actually accomplished something as an NFL coach. John Mara does that, and what the hell is he thinking, omg more clueless moves by a clueless organization going back to old giants ties. No imagination and more of the same.
The Panthers executed their plan but the giants didn't. Joe judge must have been a consolation prize.
Let me guess you were jealous of the chargers and how they fleeced accorsi for the Manning trade too. I mean after all they got merriman (the steroid user), and mr. Clutch kicker nate Kaeding.
Look at the Panthers, omg matt Rhule is 2-0 and aren't we so jealous.
Tepper is considered a genius for paying an inexperienced NFL head coach as if he actually accomplished something as an NFL coach. John Mara does that, and what the hell is he thinking, omg more clueless moves by a clueless organization going back to old giants ties. No imagination and more of the same.
The Panthers executed their plan but the giants didn't. Joe judge must have been a consolation prize.
Let me guess you were jealous of the chargers and how they fleeced accorsi for the Manning trade too. I mean after all they got merriman (the steroid user), and mr. Clutch kicker nate Kaeding.
good post.
This whole thing with his resume and what he "built" there. He didn't build shit. He came in with key pieces already in place. An HC in Riverboat with a rep as a good coach. He had a Cam Newton already there who hapened to have an MVP season when resume Dave shows up and they also had hall of fame talent linebacker. AND that was NOT because of resume Dave. that was before he was GM.
And yea 3-0 with a nice young up and coming QB that actually do not use the same formation like 95% of the time on offense. I wish I had that sure. And do not pretend like the Giants are magically gong to become better and be like the 9-7 team that went to the SB. This team is not good and has not been good for a long time now.
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Look at the Panthers, omg matt Rhule is 2-0 and aren't we so jealous.
Tepper is considered a genius for paying an inexperienced NFL head coach as if he actually accomplished something as an NFL coach. John Mara does that, and what the hell is he thinking, omg more clueless moves by a clueless organization going back to old giants ties. No imagination and more of the same.
The Panthers executed their plan but the giants didn't. Joe judge must have been a consolation prize.
Let me guess you were jealous of the chargers and how they fleeced accorsi for the Manning trade too. I mean after all they got merriman (the steroid user), and mr. Clutch kicker nate Kaeding.
good post.
Why is that a good post. The fact is the Giants were already a competitive team Without ELI. THey would've gone to the playoffs with Kurt Warner. It just so happens the Accorsi saw something in Eli in a heavy QB draft class when the Giants were picking high. Or are we still pretending this team is going to win a bunch of games and make a playoff run? Teams that go 0-2 for like 6 consecutive years do not normally just magically turn things around mid-season. In fact you can argue that the Giants season is pretty much already over.
Lots needs to go right to win and have sustained success. There will be a bunch of 2 and 3 loss teams after this week, many were thought to have turned the corner.
Lots needs to go right to win and have sustained success. There will be a bunch of 2 and 3 loss teams after this week, many were thought to have turned the corner.
This is very fair.
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By the way I don’t think Rhule ever intended to come to NY.
This whole thing with his resume and what he "built" there. He didn't build shit. He came in with key pieces already in place. An HC in Riverboat with a rep as a good coach. He had a Cam Newton already there who hapened to have an MVP season when resume Dave shows up and they also had hall of fame talent linebacker. AND that was NOT because of resume Dave. that was before he was GM.
And yea 3-0 with a nice young up and coming QB that actually do not use the same formation like 95% of the time on offense. I wish I had that sure. And do not pretend like the Giants are magically gong to become better and be like the 9-7 team that went to the SB. This team is not good and has not been good for a long time now.
Let's see, the Panthers record prior to gettleman. They made the playoffs once in 7 years and finished 8-8 or worse every year except the 1 playoff year. They finished 1st only once.. When Dave became GM they made the playoffs 3 out of the 4 years and went right back to losing after he left, which lead to Rivera getting fired. 2 straight losing seasons. They had another losing record last year.
but don't let facts get in the way of a good gettleman bashing.
Oh, and cam newtons mvp year was 2015 and gettleman was the gm at that time. Damn, more of those pesky facts again
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By the way I don’t think Rhule ever intended to come to NY.
This whole thing with his resume and what he "built" there. He didn't build shit. He came in with key pieces already in place. An HC in Riverboat with a rep as a good coach. He had a Cam Newton already there who hapened to have an MVP season when resume Dave shows up and they also had hall of fame talent linebacker. AND that was NOT because of resume Dave. that was before he was GM.
And yea 3-0 with a nice young up and coming QB that actually do not use the same formation like 95% of the time on offense. I wish I had that sure. And do not pretend like the Giants are magically gong to become better and be like the 9-7 team that went to the SB. This team is not good and has not been good for a long time now.
Sorry I was being sarcastic.
Have fun on the Panthers bandwagon!
Lots needs to go right to win and have sustained success. There will be a bunch of 2 and 3 loss teams after this week, many were thought to have turned the corner.
I'm a fan of what the Colts have done. They have had a brutal schedule to start the year. They're a good QB away from competing IMO.
I do think Rhule did a great job hiring Brady especially. He has had 2 retread QBs and very little CMC and they generally move the ball. I thought Snow was a huge mistake too and that doesn't seem to be the case.
Absolutely comical.
Which one is it? At the end of the day the Panthers are 3-0 and we’re 0-2. Unless they go 2-12 they’ll likely end up with a better record than the Giants, so yea I’d probably take the Panthers situation over ours.
Lots of good young players on defense, still on reasonable contracts. Moore, CMC, Darnold on offense with Brady running the show and this offseason they’ll probably invest on that side similarly to how they did on the defense year 1.
For a board that loves to talk about trajectories, id take the Panthers trajectory over ours.
Matt Rhule has 8 wins and 11 losses as an NFL head coach. Let's see him get his team to a winning record and a division title or deep into the playoffs before we anoint him as the second coming of Bill Parcells.
For all the hot take artists on twitter and the media telling everyone that McVay, Shanahan, Stefanski, LaFleur and Rhule are the new cool kids in the NFL making all the right moves, they still have a collective 0 Super Bowl rings among them. It is hard to win in the NFL and even the best coaches rarely win the whole thing more than once.
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when Indy was the next big thing. Great drafts, upward trajectory, and now they are are looking down the barrel at 0-3.
Lots needs to go right to win and have sustained success. There will be a bunch of 2 and 3 loss teams after this week, many were thought to have turned the corner.
I'm a fan of what the Colts have done. They have had a brutal schedule to start the year. They're a good QB away from competing IMO.
Aren’t lost teams? I’d consider Daniel Jones last week an example of a good QB. If he plays like that 75% of the time we likely go to the playoffs. No idea if that will happen but a good half the league or so is in this boat.