David Tepper bought the Panthers a few years ago, and 2019 was the year he started putting his stamp on the organization. His quote about overhauling the football operations back in 2019 was debated (linked below).
A lot of us on BBI, myself included wanted Matt Rhule. The Giants never even had the chance to talk to him. Yes, Rhule called the Giants with the opportunity to match, but it was way too late. Why didn’t ownership talk to Rhule? Because they let Tepper dictate the negotiation. Tepper flew to Waco to pitch Rhule, the Giants waited for Rhule to come to them. Tepper closed the deal.
Both the Giants & Panthers were in a similar spot after 2019. The difference is, the Giants hired Judge and pretty much stopped there. The Panthers hired Rhule and it was clear they immediately had a clear plan in place. The team FULLY committed to defense in the 2020 & 2021 drafts. A clear vision for what the team will look like.
The Panthers retained GM Marty Hurney after 2019, but only briefly. Hurney was fired last December and a new GM was brought in to work with Rhule.
Lastly, the Panthers trade for Darnold for pennies on the dollar, and Darnold is now playing better after being saddled with Gase.
I’m not bailing on Judge, Rhule has much more support in Carolina. But, this is another example of many BBI’ers calling all of this in real time. Tepper knew what was needed and executed, the Giants didn’t.
The Giants are ALWAYS reactive. It is always a game of whac-a-mole trying to address needs. There never seems to be a vision for building a team. Continuing to use the draft to reach for needs.
It is very frustrating. The Panthers very well make the playoffs this year while the Giants may struggle to finish 6-11. When will it finally hit home with Mara?
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THis post is fucking insane. the panthers BARELY beat the jets. the jets were in the game with a rookie in FIRST START. and the jets are PITIFUL.
Jealous of carolina? Its a LONG season, lets see how they finish. secondly, the panthers were IMO in better shape roster wise than giants. that being said, it doesnt even matter. the panthers arent a very good team. the sneak by two crap teams and now we should be jealous?
if im jealous of anyone its KC. they are built to be consistent winners and have a god at QB
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but Tepper isn’t a “be patient” guy like Mara. Who keeps dragging out that damn, annoying refrain every year - be patient Giants fans, I think we’re going in the right direction…
Tepper seems to understand the modern game and wants to build an organization that is adaptable and proactive. He wants to understand the trends as they are occurring, not way after they have occurred.
These are just cliches. Where are you getting this from? What specifically are the Panthers doing that tells you this?
You do understand that Tepper was/is an expert at risk management and built investment decisions based on complicated risk model and analytics. And he has stated that he wants the Panthers to be run similarly and become the state of the art organization in terms of analytics.
I mean, it's all out there. I can certainly link articles if you can't find anything...
and those praising the Panthers right now would say the same shit they said about the NYG at the end of last year...
"beat a winning team"
"3 games isn't a full season"
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etc.
perhaps, and im just spitballing here, there's a middle ground where there can be positive takeaways from even small achievements if kept in context?
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Look at their defense and how they invested in it. They got Darnold for pennies in the dollar who looks improved from not having Gase. Good young weapons on offense. They also have nearly $60 million in cap space next year.
More importantly, they beat the teams they should beat. Something the Giants haven’t done the past several years.
last year the Panthers D was bottom half of the league so maybe we should hold off on crowning their achievement? their defense looks like world beaters because 2 of their 3 games were against rookie QBs making their literal first NFL starts.
Darnold does look improved but don't you think it's a bit of a concern that he has 4 fumbles in 3 games?
as someone who appreciates rebuilt defenses "beating the teams you're supposed to beat" and subtle improvements from young QBs, I imagine you were pretty optimistic from last year's 5-4 finish?
Their defense has young promising players in multiple positions. Burns, Brown, Reddick, Horn, Chinn.
The Giants have not drafted in nearly the same way.
Last years 5-4 finish was a mirage if you’re objective. And they lost 3 of the last 4, that’s kinda important. They beat the backup QBs they should have beat but outside of Seattle they couldn’t handle the better competition. Carolinas may be a mirage as well, but I’d bet they win multiple games more than the the Giants this year.
he wasnt outmaneuvered. my god you guys make shit up.
rhule called to ask for a match. the giants liked judge. let the panthers win something before we suck rhules dick eh?
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It’s not 10 years of wait and see.
This thread is about being jealous of the Carolina Panthers of all franchises. I’ve asked a bunch of times specifically for evidence of this grand plan they have for the future and all I’ve gotten is a bunch of cliches. Meanwhile I’ve pointed out that the Giants have more and better picks than Carolina next year. Youve told me that doesn’t matter because of past drafts that are now largely irrelevant.
I’ll ask again. What makes the Panthers so great? What are they doing specifically that all of you have keyed on that’s going to be so critical to their future success?
Mentioned earlier, but look at the offensive coordinator hires, both made at the same time. Jason Garrett vs Joe Brady. Garrett is a familiar and comfortable hire, stuck in the past with an archaic system. Joe Brady is going to be a head coach sooner than later, but it would have required ownership taking one step out of their comfort zone to make that hire.
Panthers were 6-10 last year but 9-7 against the spread. Before you shoot that down, NFL betting markets are incredibly efficient and a good reflection of expectations for a team. 9-7 against the spread tells me you have a smart coaching staff making good in-game decisions and outperforming expectations. This has carried over into the new season with them off to a good start. Owner/GM/Coaching staff all in lock step. Looks promising to me. And plenty of cap space. We are right up against the cap next season, alongside teams in that category that are among the best in the league and are all-in for a super bowl. Horrible sign.
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10 years of “look we won two games in a row that’s going to carry over to next year”
How some shill for mediocrity is beyond me. Have some pride
Shilling for other team's mediocrity is way more honorable.
Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have is not the same thing. Keep avoiding the facts in front of your face.
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Look at their defense and how they invested in it. They got Darnold for pennies in the dollar who looks improved from not having Gase. Good young weapons on offense. They also have nearly $60 million in cap space next year.
More importantly, they beat the teams they should beat. Something the Giants haven’t done the past several years.
last year the Panthers D was bottom half of the league so maybe we should hold off on crowning their achievement? their defense looks like world beaters because 2 of their 3 games were against rookie QBs making their literal first NFL starts.
Darnold does look improved but don't you think it's a bit of a concern that he has 4 fumbles in 3 games?
as someone who appreciates rebuilt defenses "beating the teams you're supposed to beat" and subtle improvements from young QBs, I imagine you were pretty optimistic from last year's 5-4 finish?
Their defense has young promising players in multiple positions. Burns, Brown, Reddick, Horn, Chinn.
The Giants have not drafted in nearly the same way.
Last years 5-4 finish was a mirage if you’re objective. And they lost 3 of the last 4, that’s kinda important. They beat the backup QBs they should have beat but outside of Seattle they couldn’t handle the better competition. Carolinas may be a mirage as well, but I’d bet they win multiple games more than the the Giants this year.
horn? promising? dudes played 2.5 games and is hurt. burns is solid but lets not act like he looks any better than rest of league. reddick was a free agent signing and has been WILDLY overrated his entire career. chinn is a player for sure. giants have JUST HAS MUCH in terms of young exciting players on defense. its been 2 fucking games. you guys all need to chill. the panthers are 3-0 awesome...watch how they fold like a cheap suit next 3 weeks and IF They dont, ill give em some credit but it takes more than beating the shitstain jets, garbage texans with mills at QB and winston
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but Tepper isn’t a “be patient” guy like Mara. Who keeps dragging out that damn, annoying refrain every year - be patient Giants fans, I think we’re going in the right direction…
Tepper seems to understand the modern game and wants to build an organization that is adaptable and proactive. He wants to understand the trends as they are occurring, not way after they have occurred.
These are just cliches. Where are you getting this from? What specifically are the Panthers doing that tells you this?
You do understand that Tepper was/is an expert at risk management and built investment decisions based on complicated risk model and analytics. And he has stated that he wants the Panthers to be run similarly and become the state of the art organization in terms of analytics.
I mean, it's all out there. I can certainly link articles if you can't find anything...
Oh ok, so that, plus the articles you'll google means that that success will translate in the football world and Tepper can't fail.
Really it sounds like some of you treat the word "analytics" like a baby blanket that keeps you safe.
Horn may have only played 2.5 games but he won the starting job as a rookie then played well in those two games. That’s not meaningless
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10 years of “look we won two games in a row that’s going to carry over to next year”
How some shill for mediocrity is beyond me. Have some pride
Shilling for other team's mediocrity is way more honorable.
Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have is not the same thing. Keep avoiding the facts in front of your face.
So the Panthers are completely rebuilt? They've arrived? They're 3-0, tip of the cap to them. The season is 17 games.
Let me tell you something, if this is the team the Panthers hope to compete for a Super Bowl with, they're going to need a hell of a lot more than "analytics" to help them.
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10 years of “look we won two games in a row that’s going to carry over to next year”
How some shill for mediocrity is beyond me. Have some pride
Shilling for other team's mediocrity is way more honorable.
Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have is not the same thing. Keep avoiding the facts in front of your face.
it's a fact that they've "rebuilt" because they are 3-0? Was it also a fact last year when they started 3-2?
Talk about praising mediocrity, call me old fashioned but I'd probably wait until a playoff appearance before considering it a matter of fact that any rebuild is successful. And it's probably not until there are multiple winning seasons as opposed to one off successes like the NYG in 16 or CHI in 18.
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10 years of “look we won two games in a row that’s going to carry over to next year”
How some shill for mediocrity is beyond me. Have some pride
Shilling for other team's mediocrity is way more honorable.
Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have is not the same thing. Keep avoiding the facts in front of your face.
So the Panthers are completely rebuilt? They've arrived? They're 3-0, tip of the cap to them. The season is 17 games.
Let me tell you something, if this is the team the Panthers hope to compete for a Super Bowl with, they're going to need a hell of a lot more than "analytics" to help them.
Who said they’re completely rebuilt? Or that this team is taking them to the super bowl? You’re making up arguments nobody has made.
They’ve gotten to where they are quicker than the Giants.
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10 years of “look we won two games in a row that’s going to carry over to next year”
How some shill for mediocrity is beyond me. Have some pride
Shilling for other team's mediocrity is way more honorable.
Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have is not the same thing. Keep avoiding the facts in front of your face.
So the Panthers are completely rebuilt? They've arrived? They're 3-0, tip of the cap to them. The season is 17 games.
Let me tell you something, if this is the team the Panthers hope to compete for a Super Bowl with, they're going to need a hell of a lot more than "analytics" to help them.
Who said they’re completely rebuilt? Or that this team is taking them to the super bowl? You’re making up arguments nobody has made.
They’ve gotten to where they are quicker than the Giants.
You said "rebuilt" meaning the rebuild is complete.
but Tepper isn’t a “be patient” guy like Mara. Who keeps dragging out that damn, annoying refrain every year - be patient Giants fans, I think we’re going in the right direction…
Tepper seems to understand the modern game and wants to build an organization that is adaptable and proactive. He wants to understand the trends as they are occurring, not way after they have occurred.
These are just cliches. Where are you getting this from? What specifically are the Panthers doing that tells you this?
You do understand that Tepper was/is an expert at risk management and built investment decisions based on complicated risk model and analytics. And he has stated that he wants the Panthers to be run similarly and become the state of the art organization in terms of analytics.
I mean, it's all out there. I can certainly link articles if you can't find anything...
Oh ok, so that, plus the articles you'll google means that that success will translate in the football world and Tepper can't fail.
Really it sounds like some of you treat the word "analytics" like a baby blanket that keeps you safe.
I didn't say there was guaranteed success. I suggested that Tepper's mindset and business approach fit the way the game is moving today. He's all in on finding the best, most reliable variables to help build the best football teams.
When he talks about football it's like listening to someone who is the complete opposite of Mara.
Horn may have only played 2.5 games but he won the starting job as a rookie then played well in those two games. That’s not meaningless
he earned a starting job because they have dogshit else in secondary. do you watch the panthers? I have a few friends who are panther fans and they are not on their knees for tepper and the team as much as you are.
again, they havea couple nice players as we have discussed but lets not act like they are the 86 bears....the jury is still out on darnold too. We have no idea if the panthers are truly solidified and turned around...
Who said they’re completely rebuilt?
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Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have
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They’ve gotten to where they are quicker than the Giants.
Which is where exactly? Does 3-0 get them to the playoffs? Where did starting 3-2 last year get them?
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but Tepper isn’t a “be patient” guy like Mara. Who keeps dragging out that damn, annoying refrain every year - be patient Giants fans, I think we’re going in the right direction…
Tepper seems to understand the modern game and wants to build an organization that is adaptable and proactive. He wants to understand the trends as they are occurring, not way after they have occurred.
These are just cliches. Where are you getting this from? What specifically are the Panthers doing that tells you this?
You do understand that Tepper was/is an expert at risk management and built investment decisions based on complicated risk model and analytics. And he has stated that he wants the Panthers to be run similarly and become the state of the art organization in terms of analytics.
I mean, it's all out there. I can certainly link articles if you can't find anything...
Oh ok, so that, plus the articles you'll google means that that success will translate in the football world and Tepper can't fail.
Really it sounds like some of you treat the word "analytics" like a baby blanket that keeps you safe.
I didn't say there was guaranteed success. I suggested that Tepper's mindset and business approach fit the way the game is moving today. He's all in on finding the best, most reliable variables to help build the best football teams.
When he talks about football it's like listening to someone who is the complete opposite of Mara.
Ok, so your evidence of this grand plan is subjective and anecdotal at best.
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10 years of “look we won two games in a row that’s going to carry over to next year”
How some shill for mediocrity is beyond me. Have some pride
Shilling for other team's mediocrity is way more honorable.
Shilling for the Panthers and saying they rebuilt quicker than we have is not the same thing. Keep avoiding the facts in front of your face.
it's a fact that they've "rebuilt" because they are 3-0? Was it also a fact last year when they started 3-2?
Talk about praising mediocrity, call me old fashioned but I'd probably wait until a playoff appearance before considering it a matter of fact that any rebuild is successful. And it's probably not until there are multiple winning seasons as opposed to one off successes like the NYG in 16 or CHI in 18.
I’m not sure what about they have a lot of good young players, modern offensive coordinator and a modern head coach is so god damn difficult to grasp.
Nobody is saying they’re completely rebuilt or primed to make the playoffs but if you can’t tell they’re ahead of the Giants you’re blinded by your fandom. We’ll see in a couple weeks.
Yea, I will quote it thanks.
When you ask specifically what the plan is and someone says "analytics" you know it's just a security blanket.
There is a lot more to football than analytics.
2 - i don't think rhule is god's gift as a head coach. i don't always agree with his decisions not to go for it on 4th and short. but he assembled an excellent OC and DC. those people here who hate garrett but are scoffing at being jealous of rhule, rhule would have brought those same coaches here. you can't separate judge from garrett and graham. and you can't separate rhule from brady and snow.
3 - carolina has much better team building and drafting than the giants. DG is a disaster with free agent signings and picks. some people here are in denial about that but it's true. carolina is not. this year they signed dan arnold a far superior player to the corpse of kyle rudolph for half the cost (he's also better than engram). they went out and signed reddick, who looks GREAT, to a deal up to 8M. the giants pissed away money on evan engram and booker alone. these are the kinds of things where rhule seems to excel so far. rhule would have overruled DG on everything or had DG replaced with his guy. imagine how much better tha giants would be right now making better decisions with free agents. and you can't distance judge from DG at this point when it comes to roster decisions.
so yes i'm jealous of carolina right now. they are headed in the right direction and the giants are wandering around in the dark.
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He’s one of the most skilled pass rushers in the league. He had 7.5 and 9 sacks the last two years - his first two in the league. If Burns is only solid than what is Leonard Williams? Good grief.
Horn may have only played 2.5 games but he won the starting job as a rookie then played well in those two games. That’s not meaningless
he earned a starting job because they have dogshit else in secondary. do you watch the panthers? I have a few friends who are panther fans and they are not on their knees for tepper and the team as much as you are.
again, they havea couple nice players as we have discussed but lets not act like they are the 86 bears....the jury is still out on darnold too. We have no idea if the panthers are truly solidified and turned around...
Answer the question, if Burns is only solid what is Leonard Williams?
Horn is a good young player, despite what you may think.
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You can sarcastically quote tweet analytics all you want if it makes you feel better but this is what smart and successful organizations are implementing into their game plans and roster building philosophies. An inability to think outside the box and adapt to the modern realities of the game is precisely why we're stuck in this cycle of losing.
Yea, I will quote it thanks.
When you ask specifically what the plan is and someone says "analytics" you know it's just a security blanket.
There is a lot more to football than analytics.
Of course there is, it's not baseball. But if you're dismissing it outright then you're not getting it
Above I mentioned the Joe Brady hire compared to us hiring Garrett. I mentioned an efficient use of cap space compared to us being capped out having to restructure contracts to move money down the line, only furthering our issues in the future. I mentioned a coach that understands making plus expected value in-game decisions and isn't kicking 56 yard field goals on 4th and 3.
Now who's being vague? There is nothing you can point to to suggest we are pointed in the right direction. All I've seen you say is "we'll see, long season." We've been saying the same shit for years. Open your eyes to what is happening in front of you and put fan bias aside for a second
so enough with the it takes time.... make the right calls for coach, gm, players, and likely you will win. fk up any of those and it starts to get harder.
what is fking total comedy is people who have been bullish the giants since 2017 talking to posters who have been bearish and right since then like they are off base.
Not a chance in hell.
Nobody is saying they’re completely rebuilt or primed to make the playoffs but if you can’t tell they’re ahead of the Giants you’re blinded by your fandom. We’ll see in a couple weeks.
Some honest questions for you.
Do you think it's equally fair to think the NYG have good young players?
Is it fair to think Judge is a modern head coach?
Was it fair to think it looked like the NYG had a modern DC last year?
Or is it only fair for those opinions to be had about other teams?
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You can sarcastically quote tweet analytics all you want if it makes you feel better but this is what smart and successful organizations are implementing into their game plans and roster building philosophies. An inability to think outside the box and adapt to the modern realities of the game is precisely why we're stuck in this cycle of losing.
Yea, I will quote it thanks.
When you ask specifically what the plan is and someone says "analytics" you know it's just a security blanket.
There is a lot more to football than analytics.
Of course there is, it's not baseball. But if you're dismissing it outright then you're not getting it
Above I mentioned the Joe Brady hire compared to us hiring Garrett. I mentioned an efficient use of cap space compared to us being capped out having to restructure contracts to move money down the line, only furthering our issues in the future. I mentioned a coach that understands making plus expected value in-game decisions and isn't kicking 56 yard field goals on 4th and 3.
Now who's being vague? There is nothing you can point to to suggest we are pointed in the right direction. All I've seen you say is "we'll see, long season." We've been saying the same shit for years. Open your eyes to what is happening in front of you and put fan bias aside for a second
Well no, in this thread I've mentioned several times in terms of talent acquisition the Giants are set up better than the Panthers and just about anyone in the league next year via the draft with 9 picks and 5 premium picks. Is that not "planning" on the Giants part?
That's not me or them sitting back talking about past Super Bowl glory, is it?
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I’m not sure what about they have a lot of good young players, modern offensive coordinator and a modern head coach is so god damn difficult to grasp.
Nobody is saying they’re completely rebuilt or primed to make the playoffs but if you can’t tell they’re ahead of the Giants you’re blinded by your fandom. We’ll see in a couple weeks.
Some honest questions for you.
Do you think it's equally fair to think the NYG have good young players?
Is it fair to think Judge is a modern head coach?
Was it fair to think it looked like the NYG had a modern DC last year?
Or is it only fair for those opinions to be had about other teams?
1) What good young players do the Giants have that are long term pieces on defense? McKinney and Lawrence? Who else has proven anything?
2) Judge is not a modern head coach. It’s clear in his decision making.
3) advanced analytics were unkind to the Giants defense last year, which left open the possibility for regression.
Not a chance in hell.
On this we agree - this is a key area where Carolina did a lot better than we did. But just like Judge kicked Columbo to the curb if he's the right guy he will make the adjustment needed. I have 0 faith in Garrett but they did certainly make a lot of positive adjustments from week 1 to week 2.
Not a chance in hell.
So for just money Mara could have matched the Panthers and brought in Rhule and satisfied all the talking heads.
Instead he passed and hired a little known special teams coordinator from the Pats with no HC experience and you people think Mara has a problem with risk?
That doesn't make a ton of sense does it? I'd argue he took a pretty huge risk.
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Might be one of the top things to be jealous about. Does anyone have any confidence Mara and Gettleman would make a forward thinking hire, that came with a ton of risk, like that?
Not a chance in hell.
So for just money Mara could have matched the Panthers and brought in Rhule and satisfied all the talking heads.
Instead he passed and hired a little known special teams coordinator from the Pats with no HC experience and you people think Mara has a problem with risk?
That doesn't make a ton of sense does it? I'd argue he took a pretty huge risk.
Until you look at how they arrived at Joe Judge. If Judge isn’t part of Bill’s coaching tree and have the old school football guy mentality do the Giants still hire him?
The Bills
The Bucs
The Browns
They each did it differently, but these are the teams that Giants fans should be looking at to carve out a path from the shit hole they have created for themselves.
There are many organizations that have proven to be better run over the past 10 years. The Panthers aren't one of them.
If your frame of reference is the past 2 years, they will have 1 additional win than us provided we beat the Falcons.
A very interesting point, noting a 10 year history when the original post specifically calls out enormous changes made 2-3 years ago.
Giants need success on the football field. If you've played the game in an organized arena, you recognize good signs pointing toward winning trend emerging, towards ascension to a team capable of earning a playoff spot, and more. Right now, there are few outside of how they tend to perform vs WFT and one game where they out-slugged the Seahawks at their own game.
Right now, I see a team the first two opponents have figured out on film. Now, the Giants really need to clean up their fundamentals, discipline, and focus, and the coordinators have to get outside their boxes, quickly. Because their players need to be put in a better position to execute, but they've got to clean up their play on the field quickly.
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and they looked very, very ordinary after that happened
Darnold is good when there is no pressure on him -- the knock against him is that he comes up small in big spots
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I'm jealous they lost their star running back and were able to adjust instead of using it as an excuse.
Brett, absolutely.
1) What good young players do the Giants have that are long term pieces on defense? McKinney and Lawrence? Who else has proven anything?
By definition if you have young players they likely haven't proven much...because they are young. And the NYG starting 22 last year was I believe the youngest in football.
To answer your question though in terms who I believe the. good young defensive pieces are I think McKinney, Lawrence, Williams, Bradberry, Martinez are multi-year positive impact starters. Peppers, Ojulari, and Jackson each have a chance too. None of those guys making a pro bowl or two as Giants would be a huge shock and I believe at least 3 or 4 of them have already made pro bowls in their careers. I've been a Brian Burns fan since he spurned UM for FSU so I'd probably take him over everyone on that list with the possible exceptions of Bradberry/Williams. He's the player I was hoping would fall in 2019 when they ended up with Lawrence.
Minor aside - over the last 10-15 years I've stopped believing the word "long term" has a place in the NFL at least for non-QBs (steve smith, nicks, kenny phillips, justin tuck, jpp, cruz, obj, collins all looked destined for long careers here and we know how that went). imo you either have guys who are a net positive impact (with hopefully 1 or 2 true stars sprinkled in) who you expect to start for multiple seasons or replacement level placeholders who other teams target and expose regularly. The key is minimizing the latter.
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I don't agree that this is clearly defined yet. Defensively the NYG philosophy has trended towards modern analytical best practices for several years investing most heavily in coverage units - just like BAL/NE.
On the offensive side Garrett is the antiquated piece that doesn't fit and how Judge handles him will be very telling. IMO it's probably the key factor to how this season plays out. It is squarely on Judge to do what needs to be done to have more offensive performances like last Thursday and more defensive performances like last year. Modern coaches know how to adapt to optimize their teams performance.
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the possibility of regression is part and parcel to success. if you succeed there is a chance for regression if you don't succeed, no regression. Adding Jackson and Ojulari in particular were efforts at hedging that regression. Along with the fact that as mentioned above it was a very young team last year so expecting some individuals to progress if others were due to regress.
For me personally I wasn’t getting into a deeper topic of the franchise and all of its components… All I know is right now they are undefeated and look good doing it… with a young quarterback who at least for the moment appears to be resurrected in a good nucleus of players.
They also have a coach that many teams, including the Giants, wanted. So yes, right now I wish we were in their position as opposed to winless and once again hoping we can scratch out a win this week
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
For me personally I wasn’t getting into a deeper topic of the franchise and all of its components… All I know is right now they are undefeated and look good doing it… with a young quarterback who at least for the moment appears to be resurrected in a good nucleus of players.
They also have a coach that many teams, including the Giants, wanted. So yes, right now I wish we were in their position as opposed to winless and once again hoping we can scratch out a win this week
imo there can be a distinction between being jealous of a 3-0 record (who wouldn't rather be 3-0?) and urging some caution about the team's underlying situation.
I was jealous of their 3-2 record last year (seriously, there are probably even posts if you search for them) but then I was the opposite of jealous when they lost 9 of their last 11 games.
So far I am not jealous of Darnold's performance relative to Jones, even with them having Brady and us saddled with Garrett.
I am jealous of their defensive performance - they are 3-0 right now because their defense is holding their opponents to 10 points per game - which would set a record for ppg allowed if it continued.
But I'm inclined to believe that record setting pace is more likely to be an outlier result of playing 2 rookie QB's in their first NFL starts (and Winston) than the even more outlier possibility that they are the best defense of all time. I'm jealous of their record and Joe Brady but not much else.
As well realize that #8 is a franchise QB we are great shape for next ten season.
The last game really laid Judge low in my estimation. Just completely out coached. He really has to do something besides look like some big fat oaf that curses out refs when a call goes against him. And fuck your time outs. If you are a Beichek disciple when the offense was on the field at some point, last game, you should rounded all of them up with a white board in your hand and drew up some X's and O's right in the middle of the game.
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
Ok so weighted by age of starting players u27, the good young players on Carolina are Burns (23), Brown (23), Chinn (23), Horn (21)?
And qualifying Giants would be Lawrence (22), McKinney (21), Ojulari (21)? Crowder (24) or Love (23) maybe too?
And slightly older on both sides Peppers (25), Adoree Jackson (26), Carter (25), and Donte Jackson (25)?
Burns is the standout of that u27 group but the nyg overall talent base isn't in a different galaxy. And I think they have the edge in the a27/28 group (I'd take Bradberry, Williams, Martinez > Thompson, Reddick).
The stats from this year obviously lean Carolina's way right now but everyone mentioned above except Horn and Reddick were on Carolina last year, when the NYG defense was a lot better over a full year.
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Are 28 and 27 respectively. Williams is 27.
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
Ok so weighted by age of starting players u27, the good young players on Carolina are Burns (23), Brown (23), Chinn (23), Horn (21)?
And qualifying Giants would be Lawrence (22), McKinney (21), Ojulari (21)? Crowder (24) or Love (23) maybe too?
And slightly older on both sides Peppers (25), Adoree Jackson (26), Carter (25), and Donte Jackson (25)?
Burns is the standout of that u27 group but the nyg overall talent base isn't in a different galaxy. And I think they have the edge in the a27/28 group (I'd take Bradberry, Williams, Martinez > Thompson, Reddick).
The stats from this year obviously lean Carolina's way right now but everyone mentioned above except Horn and Reddick were on Carolina last year, when the NYG defense was a lot better over a full year.
You're really reaching if you are talking up this D. They have looked absolutely awful. And what is this 3 years now thay looked completely jv in weeks 1 and 2. Looked horrible against Dallas week 2 that got Eli benched.
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same with Terps, saying I'm 'caping for Gettleman" and going down with the ship.
Nope. I said Jones would play better this year and take the next step. I said Thomas would be fine. That looks like it's starting to happen is it not?
Jones had one good game this year and you think you’re right? Comical. Weren’t you saying this team was going to be good last year?
Nope - I said they'd win 6 games. Which they did.
So when are we supposed to start saying that Jones is playing well then? After 7 good games in a row?
I mean, good QBs play 7 good games in a row all the time. If Jones is as good as you say, that shouldn't be a problem for him.