David Tepper bought the Panthers a few years ago, and 2019 was the year he started putting his stamp on the organization. His quote about overhauling the football operations back in 2019 was debated (linked below).
A lot of us on BBI, myself included wanted Matt Rhule. The Giants never even had the chance to talk to him. Yes, Rhule called the Giants with the opportunity to match, but it was way too late. Why didn’t ownership talk to Rhule? Because they let Tepper dictate the negotiation. Tepper flew to Waco to pitch Rhule, the Giants waited for Rhule to come to them. Tepper closed the deal.
Both the Giants & Panthers were in a similar spot after 2019. The difference is, the Giants hired Judge and pretty much stopped there. The Panthers hired Rhule and it was clear they immediately had a clear plan in place. The team FULLY committed to defense in the 2020 & 2021 drafts. A clear vision for what the team will look like.
The Panthers retained GM Marty Hurney after 2019, but only briefly. Hurney was fired last December and a new GM was brought in to work with Rhule.
Lastly, the Panthers trade for Darnold for pennies on the dollar, and Darnold is now playing better after being saddled with Gase.
I’m not bailing on Judge, Rhule has much more support in Carolina. But, this is another example of many BBI’ers calling all of this in real time. Tepper knew what was needed and executed, the Giants didn’t.
The Giants are ALWAYS reactive. It is always a game of whac-a-mole trying to address needs. There never seems to be a vision for building a team. Continuing to use the draft to reach for needs.
It is very frustrating. The Panthers very well make the playoffs this year while the Giants may struggle to finish 6-11. When will it finally hit home with Mara?
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Darnold is young and playing very well.
D is solid.
I believe they are the only NFL team to not play from behind this season.
you all can twist yourselves into pretzel knots trying to minimize the Panthers 3-0 record... and again, I don't think they are some juggernaut of the NFL... but they are in better overall shape than we are and considering we sort of started from the same spot, that sucks.
And what has McCaffrey done in the NFL that Barkley hasn't exactly? McCaffrey has been hurt just as much.
C'mon man, McCaffrey never missed a game in his first 3 seasons. Last year was the first season he ever missed a game. As far as this current injury is concerned, the latest reports I've heard is that it will only be a 2-3 week thing.
Darnold is young and playing very well.
D is solid.
I believe they are the only NFL team to not play from behind this season.
you all can twist yourselves into pretzel knots trying to minimize the Panthers 3-0 record... and again, I don't think they are some juggernaut of the NFL... but they are in better overall shape than we are and considering we sort of started from the same spot, that sucks.
I hope you werent onenof the people saying the Giants ending the season 5-3 last year meant nothing..
And Darnold ha splayed well but Jones has played just as eell if not better than Darnold..
I didn't say there was guaranteed success. I suggested that Tepper's mindset and business approach fit the way the game is moving today. He's all in on finding the best, most reliable variables to help build the best football teams.
When he talks about football it's like listening to someone who is the complete opposite of Mara.
Ok, so your evidence of this grand plan is subjective and anecdotal at best.
My conclusion is simple deductive reasoning.
That said there is a long season to go so let’s see what these guys can do. All this talking really means nothing, the proof is in the wins and losses and we have not had a lot of wins the last several years.
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Are 28 and 27 respectively. Williams is 27.
They’ll all be 30 or older by the team this team maybe is ready to compete for a title. I wouldn’t consider those “good young players”
Ok so weighted by age of starting players u27, the good young players on Carolina are Burns (23), Brown (23), Chinn (23), Horn (21)?
And qualifying Giants would be Lawrence (22), McKinney (21), Ojulari (21)? Crowder (24) or Love (23) maybe too?
And slightly older on both sides Peppers (25), Adoree Jackson (26), Carter (25), and Donte Jackson (25)?
Burns is the standout of that u27 group but the nyg overall talent base isn't in a different galaxy. And I think they have the edge in the a27/28 group (I'd take Bradberry, Williams, Martinez > Thompson, Reddick).
The stats from this year obviously lean Carolina's way right now but everyone mentioned above except Horn and Reddick were on Carolina last year, when the NYG defense was a lot better over a full year.
Burns, Brown and Chin are immensely better than the Giants under 27 group. Peppers has been average at best and brutal this year so far. He’s not even being kept on the field.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
The Giants were one of the model franchises for a long time. Very hard to out scheme physicality to a championship. When they establish that again with the right HC and QB they’ll contend again.
Pretty obvious Rhule is building a fast physical team. Time will tell if he has his QB. He learned well from TC.
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
It would be nice if they could string together some wins so we could test your theory.
On one side we have facts: the Giants are 0-2 and the worst team in the NFL the last five years, yet there are people here resenting posters who criticize the Giants.
On the other side we have a theory: if the Giants are good the critical posters would keep whining anyway.
- 15-35
- 0 weeks above .500 since 2016
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
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In comment 15381269 Gary from The East End said:
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
It would be nice if they could string together some wins so we could test your theory.
On one side we have facts: the Giants are 0-2 and the worst team in the NFL the last five years, yet there are people here resenting posters who criticize the Giants.
On the other side we have a theory: if the Giants are good the critical posters would keep whining anyway.
- 15-35
- 0 weeks above .500 since 2016
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
The Panthers had a worse record than the Giants last season. After 3 wins, two of which were the Jets and Texans, all you assclowns are in awe and full of praise. Are you seriously saying you’d have the same viewpoint if the Giants beat those teams? Because we all know the answer to that. You’d say exactly what I said in my post. And you know it. It’s ok for you to think that the Giants suck and still think it’s laughable that posters are somehow “jealous” of the freakin Panthers. But of course you won’t do that. You’re so arrogant and self important that you think if you hone enough on a chat board you’ll have influence on the Giants. How’s that worked out for ya so far?
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If the Giants ripped off three wins to start the season, even if all three of our opponents in those games were weak-ass, loser teams playing their third string QBs and fourth string OLs due to COVID, they would be orgasming all over every thread, praising Gettleman to the skies and anointing Daniel Jones the God Emperor Quarterback of the next decade.
Hell, you've got some people whose optimism is based on how we just barely lost to the Redskins!
And the whiny, miserable ducks would fire back that those teams absolutely suck and those wins don’t mean shit. Let’s see them beat the good teams consistently! They certainly wouldn’t be jerking off to pictures of the head coach and claiming that the rebuild is about complete and tacking about how jealous of us other fan bases should be.
Funny how that works both ways, right?
It would be nice if they could string together some wins so we could test your theory.
On one side we have facts: the Giants are 0-2 and the worst team in the NFL the last five years, yet there are people here resenting posters who criticize the Giants.
On the other side we have a theory: if the Giants are good the critical posters would keep whining anyway.
- 15-35
- 0 weeks above .500 since 2016
How do you expect to be taken seriously?
The Panthers had a worse record than the Giants last season. After 3 wins, two of which were the Jets and Texans, all you assclowns are in awe and full of praise. Are you seriously saying you’d have the same viewpoint if the Giants beat those teams? Because we all know the answer to that. You’d say exactly what I said in my post. And you know it. It’s ok for you to think that the Giants suck and still think it’s laughable that posters are somehow “jealous” of the freakin Panthers. But of course you won’t do that. You’re so arrogant and self important that you think if you hone enough on a chat board you’ll have influence on the Giants. How’s that worked out for ya so far?
LOL wow, the caricatures people will create to dismiss opinions they don't like
While true they haven't beaten anyone great, they won and played well against those teams. If we swapped places, I'd be cautiously optimistic. Beats the hell out of my current feelings.
The Panthers look like they are a step ahead of the Giants. I wish the Giants were there. We’ll see Sunday.
I thought the Giants were an 8 win team going in, and I truly thought there was no way the lowly WFT hangs with the Giants on a short week with a back up QB. That gave me pause.
The Panthers look like they are a step ahead of the Giants. I wish the Giants were there. We’ll see Sunday.
I thought the Giants were an 8 win team going in, and I truly thought there was no way the lowly WFT hangs with the Giants on a short week with a back up QB. That gave me pause.
The Giants upcoming schedule is brutal. If they lose to Atlanta I have no idea where the wins are coming from.
That said, the Panthers play the Giants in a month. We shall see how this thread ages at that point.
If you switched the Panthers and Giants this place would be in an orgasmic frenzy about how good they are.
But why created the caricature of a poster thinking that they'll influence the Giants by whining enough on BBI? Ridiculous
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Not sure what opinion you’re talking about but I’m fully aware the Giants suck. I’m as pissed as anyone else even if I’m not whining about it on 700 threads a day saying the same thing over and over and over and over again. I’ve been plenty critical of this team. Gettleman, Garrett and Jones in particular. Where we go our separate ways is I refuse to bow down to the all mighty Carolina Panthers because they beat the Jets and Texans. Starting a thread about them? Come on now. Like I said, it’s ok to acknowledge that the Giants suck while also acknowledging that it’s incredibly premature and almost ludicrous to be stroking off to the Panthers at this point, no?
If you switched the Panthers and Giants this place would be in an orgasmic frenzy about how good they are.
But why created the caricature of a poster thinking that they'll influence the Giants by whining enough on BBI? Ridiculous
Not sure how new you are, but posters have literally said that on this board. There have been threads about the Giants having moles on the here. That is a FACT. So I’m not sure what’s so “ridiculous” about it? These posters honestly believe that if they are negative enough on this site the Giants will take notice. You think I’m making this shit up? Unfortunately I’m not.
The Panthers look like they are a step ahead of the Giants. I wish the Giants were there. We’ll see Sunday.
I thought the Giants were an 8 win team going in, and I truly thought there was no way the lowly WFT hangs with the Giants on a short week with a back up QB. That gave me pause.
I remember that thread you started saying we should basically roll WFT. KOD. ;)
But you underestimated Heinicke. He was very good last year in the playoff game against Tampa. A gamer. And it showed last Thursday. Don't know if you know this, but he was incredible at Old Dominion University. Won the Walter Payton Award (the Heisman of 1-AA football). Which is good company with guys like Tony Romo, Jimmy G, Cooper Kupp, Trey Lance, etc.
This could be my KOD moment, but I think we beat ATL by 10.
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Not sure what opinion you’re talking about but I’m fully aware the Giants suck. I’m as pissed as anyone else even if I’m not whining about it on 700 threads a day saying the same thing over and over and over and over again. I’ve been plenty critical of this team. Gettleman, Garrett and Jones in particular. Where we go our separate ways is I refuse to bow down to the all mighty Carolina Panthers because they beat the Jets and Texans. Starting a thread about them? Come on now. Like I said, it’s ok to acknowledge that the Giants suck while also acknowledging that it’s incredibly premature and almost ludicrous to be stroking off to the Panthers at this point, no?
If you switched the Panthers and Giants this place would be in an orgasmic frenzy about how good they are.
But why created the caricature of a poster thinking that they'll influence the Giants by whining enough on BBI? Ridiculous
Not sure how new you are, but posters have literally said that on this board. There have been threads about the Giants having moles on the here. That is a FACT. So I’m not sure what’s so “ridiculous” about it? These posters honestly believe that if they are negative enough on this site the Giants will take notice. You think I’m making this shit up? Unfortunately I’m not.
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I've heard a lot of ridiculous things on sports team forums, but wow. As I have no reason to disbelieve you I'll retract my previous post
But you underestimated Heinicke. He was very good last year in the playoff game against Tampa. A gamer. And it showed last Thursday. Don't know if you know this, but he was incredible at Old Dominion University. Won the Walter Payton Award (the Heisman of 1-AA football). Which is good company with guys like Tony Romo, Jimmy G, Cooper Kupp, Trey Lance, etc.
This could be my KOD moment, but I think we beat ATL by 10.
I underestimated 1) how big of a step back the Giants defensive line has taken 2) how brain dead the defensive philosophy would be to let a Walter Payton award winner have so many uncontested throws.
If the Giants don’t beat Atlanta by 10, I’ll be shocked again!
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so far a better defense, and more effective TEs (Dan Arnold and Tommy Tremble). In fact, the Panthers resemble what the Giants were under Parcells. Maybe this is Matt Rhule's vision of a successful NFL team.
So what’s your prediction 14-3?
They were 5-11 last year. I think a winning record is possible.