so I wasn't around to witness any of the broader cultural impact this album had. But what I can say is that this album is probably the most important in my life, and is entirely the reason that I am a musician today. Inspired me to pick up guitar, got me into "music" as a hobby (not just as a player, but as a listener), and completely changed my life.
My uncle definitely had no idea what he was doing to me when he gave me his old copies of Nevermind and In Utero.
I fucking love Nirvana, I fucking love Kurt, Krist, and Dave, and these records, for being 30 years old, just do not sound very dated at all. It's crazy.
I've got mixed feelings on the Nirvana smiley being a fashion brand/icon now, but hey, I'll take it if it keeps them "cool" and relevant.
I was 16, and Nirvana definitely touched the teenage angst nerve
albums came out the week before. It was a great time to be a kid. While in my little universe nobody had heard of Nirvana yet - people were pumped for the new Chili Pepper album. And everyone I knew was waiting all summer for the Guns albums.
Most of what I was listening to at the time was late 80s metal, and despite GnR's efforts (I viewed them as rebels, yet they were a little "hair metal" themselves at the beginning) there was still a huge "glam" aspect to the music.
Bon Jovi, Def Leopard, Whitesnake, Poison, etc., they all went out of their way to look good (or so they thought at the time), and all followed the same formula - heavy on the hairspray, the riffs, but also the synthesizers.
Then Nirvana comes along and not only do they look like they don't give a shit about anything, but they sound completely different. They're not singing about "girls girls girls" or blowing lines at parties. They sound pissed off. And changed music forever.
Nirvana brought it back to music first.
I think everyone was done with the glam rock garbage.
It was timely
Agreed, it was a really interesting time for music because you had all of the hair band trash with some good music mixed in like Van Halen in the 80’s. And then GNR was kind of like a bridge from the hair band era to something heavier in like the 88-91 timeframe. Then Nirvana comes in and establishes the grunge era. I mean think about the up and coming bands back then: Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots. What a great time for rock music.
was the wake up call that brought it back to the music. Metallica kept me occupied through the 80s along with Iron Maiden. Even though the Use Your Illusion albums might have not matched the hype, I loved and wore them out in '91-92. It's an age/generational perspective thing.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 22. Funny at the time (i.e. September 1991) it didn't feel seismic, I just thought it was a good indy hard rock album like a bunch that had been coming out since 1989 or thereabouts. Like form Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.
The seismic shift happened in the following weeks when it completely saturated popular consciousness.
It was the 1991 releases of Pearl Jam/Ten (8/27), Nirvana/Nevermind (9/24), and Soundgarden/Badmotorfinger (10/8) that really ushered in the grunge movement.
I'd argue that Pearl Jam was the most influential but...I'm a massive PJ fan, so I'm clearly biased LOL.
Most of what I was listening to at the time was late 80s metal, and despite GnR's efforts (I viewed them as rebels, yet they were a little "hair metal" themselves at the beginning) there was still a huge "glam" aspect to the music.
Bon Jovi, Def Leopard, Whitesnake, Poison, etc., they all went out of their way to look good (or so they thought at the time), and all followed the same formula - heavy on the hairspray, the riffs, but also the synthesizers.
Then Nirvana comes along and not only do they look like they don't give a shit about anything, but they sound completely different. They're not singing about "girls girls girls" or blowing lines at parties. They sound pissed off. And changed music forever.
Very well said, and good comparison between hair bands of the 80s (who I loved) and the difference with Nirvana
its ok to not like them, but to not recognize their importance and relevance is a bit ridiculous. Their impact on grunge music, and the recovery of rock from the hair band era alone was a good thing. They made punk rock mainstream. Tons of bands owe a lot to Nirvana, the industry just wouldn't be the same without them. As for their songs, they have so many great ones that "overrated" is something I laugh at. Not everything is "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (which is actually awesome regardless of it being played out).
It's funny because them being a huge mainstream success is a juxtaposition of why they even made music to begin with. Add in that now its cool to not like things that are mainstream and thats where I think some of the dislike comes from (and the reverse juxtaposition, coincidentally).
Nirvana brought it back to music first.
I think everyone was done with the glam rock garbage.
It was timely
agree that Nirvana and the like had more of an emphasis on substance over style, but the grunge bads definitely had an "image" that was a conscious choice.
they just didn't care about looking good and having a mass appeal. That was part of what "grunge" personified. Now they eventually got popular and appealing despite it, but that always seemed like an unintended result especially after watching a couple Nirvana/Cobain docs.
I guess that, if you weren't there at the right age....
..you don't get the hoopla. I was not quite 15 when Nevermind was released and it was incredible. Most of the rock that was around in the years preceding it was either old bands from the 60s and 70s or cheesy hair metal. There was a lot of lame top 40 pap too. Nirvana seemed so raw and real in comparison. They looked and dressed like ordinary guys, unlike the hair metal bands with their big hair, spandex, leather pants, etc. And Kurt Cobain may not have been a guitar god, but he was a great songwriter. He had a gift for creating music that could be angry and abrasive, yet still catchy.
Since someone mentioned Pearl Jam - it's funny, but it was pretty rare for someone to be a big fan of both of them. Generally you were either a Nirvana guy or a Pearl Jam guy. I thought PJ was OK but nothing special.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 22. Funny at the time (i.e. September 1991) it didn't feel seismic, I just thought it was a good indy hard rock album like a bunch that had been coming out since 1989 or thereabouts. Like form Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.
The seismic shift happened in the following weeks when it completely saturated popular consciousness.
It didn't feel "seismic" or immediate to me either. There was a big overlap with Guns n Roses as they were still a huge band for at least the next 2 years as they toured. And, as you said, there was stuff coming prior to Nevermind. AIC and Jane's were all over MTV prior to Nevermind coming out.
And of course you could hear tons of alternative (or whatever you want to call it) music on WDRE.
I grew up with that era of music and I liked Nirvana. A lot at some points. But they didn't singlehandedly take grunge mainstream. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam...
If we're being honest I think Cobain's death catapulted them to another level of fame because of the "What could have been" factor.
Good to great band, but the comments that swing toward idolatry are just over the top for me personally. A number of their hits, their lyrics just don't hold up now that I'm not an angsty kid and that's a big measuring stick for me: do I still enjoy the music now that I'm a different person?
in terms of the way he viewed gender roles, women and the anti-objectification of a woman's body.
"Polly" for example, is about a real life rape, but he changed the story to empower the victim even more. Viewed with the benefit of hindsight, it was a warning for what has now become "incel" culture.
If you went up to anyone who has been alive for more than 35 years, and asked them what the biggest song was of the 90s, my guess would is it would be hard to find someone who didn't say Smells Like Teen Spirit. Or maybe the Macarena?
What people are not remembering is how big the VIDEO was at the time. I remember everyone in the neighborhood screaming when that video came on MTV lol
I grew up with that era of music and I liked Nirvana. A lot at some points. But they didn't singlehandedly take grunge mainstream. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam...
If we're being honest I think Cobain's death catapulted them to another level of fame because of the "What could have been" factor.
Good to great band, but the comments that swing toward idolatry are just over the top for me personally. A number of their hits, their lyrics just don't hold up now that I'm not an angsty kid and that's a big measuring stick for me: do I still enjoy the music now that I'm a different person?
I wouldn't conflate their success and popularity pre and post death of Cobain, both were massive. It would be like saying Tupac and Biggie were overrated in hip hop and their deaths made them more what they were. BIG only had 2 studio albums and he's pretty much the biggest hip hop icon of the 90's (that's arguable, but he's up there if not #1).
its ok to not like them, but to not recognize their importance and relevance is a bit ridiculous. Their impact on grunge music, and the recovery of rock from the hair band era alone was a good thing. They made punk rock mainstream. Tons of bands owe a lot to Nirvana, the industry just wouldn't be the same without them. As for their songs, they have so many great ones that "overrated" is something I laugh at. Not everything is "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (which is actually awesome regardless of it being played out).
It's funny because them being a huge mainstream success is a juxtaposition of why they even made music to begin with. Add in that now its cool to not like things that are mainstream and thats where I think some of the dislike comes from (and the reverse juxtaposition, coincidentally).
Grandiose assessment there, my high-minded friend. The juxtaposition of these two musical symbols make it easy to gulp. Ergo - the sun beating down on the mayonnaise that we called the music industry is now a .... How do we say ... - h- uxtopostion, actually.
and was happy to finally hear something new. Something that wasn't classic rock (though greatest era imo and I still listen to deep tracks, most stations overplay hits), wasn't hair band shit, vanilla pop or whatever else was being made at the time. Nothing personal to GNR fans, but Axel's voice was fingernails on chalkboard to me. Just a personal thing.
I thought "in utero" was well done probably better in my mind than nevermind.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
RE: I guess that, if you weren't there at the right age....
..you don't get the hoopla. I was not quite 15 when Nevermind was released and it was incredible. Most of the rock that was around in the years preceding it was either old bands from the 60s and 70s or cheesy hair metal. There was a lot of lame top 40 pap too. Nirvana seemed so raw and real in comparison. They looked and dressed like ordinary guys, unlike the hair metal bands with their big hair, spandex, leather pants, etc. And Kurt Cobain may not have been a guitar god, but he was a great songwriter. He had a gift for creating music that could be angry and abrasive, yet still catchy.
Since someone mentioned Pearl Jam - it's funny, but it was pretty rare for someone to be a big fan of both of them. Generally you were either a Nirvana guy or a Pearl Jam guy. I thought PJ was OK but nothing special.
Agreed with most of what you said, but I love both Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Listened the shit out of those albums.
a local band once rented a small building from me a few hrs a week, for practice. I once stopped in to listen (mistakenly thinking they were a rock cover band). They played all hair band stuff (this was around '04-05). Afterwards, they asked me what I thought.
I tried to be nice (didn't tell them I hate hair bands), told the band leader it was good, but maybe they could add a different song or two to widen their appeal to the locals (our town isn't huge). He said like what? I said (while trying to suggest something somewhat contemporary), I don't know, maybe some Nirvana. The subject line above was his response.
Since someone mentioned Pearl Jam - it's funny, but it was pretty rare for someone to be a big fan of both of them. Generally you were either a Nirvana guy or a Pearl Jam guy. I thought PJ was OK but nothing special.
I was/is a huge Pearl Jam guy and I've never been a huge Nirvana fan.
I will say though, I think Nirvana's Unplugged was far and away the best Unplugged MTV ever put out and one of my favorite performances of all time. Alice in Chains' Unplugged was 2nd.
I thought "in utero" was well done probably better in my mind than nevermind.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Unplugged is unreal, IMO. One of my favorite albums of anyone.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 19...and I heard an advance copy of "Smells like..." about 4 months before it was released. I liked it and hated it at the same time, and I *knew* instinctively it was going to be huge.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
AIC had Facelift out in 1990 way before Nevermind.
I was a metal head and AIC was popular on the local college metal station (Seton Hall WSOU). I always thought it was weird AIC was lumped with the other grunge bands just because they were from Seattle, but they were much heavier.
And Peal Jam (which I don't like) is straight rock. They never sounded grungy to me.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 19...and I heard an advance copy of "Smells like..." about 4 months before it was released. I liked it and hated it at the same time, and I *knew* instinctively it was going to be huge.
Was the best of the Seattle bands. STP was grouped with grunge but it was not grunge IMO. Another great band from that era. Nirvana was my least favorite of the Seattle bands.
I thought "in utero" was well done probably better in my mind than nevermind.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Man in the Box was a legit hit before Nevermind even came out. Yes there was a post-grunge wave of wannabees...but AIC was certainly not in that group. Although I would agree they did get a nice bump in popularity due to being associated with Nirvana, etc.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
I never got into the hair bands either. I did get into New Wave and Punk for a bit because I was living in San Diego while in the Navy and still like much of it today. I have pretty wide tastes in Music from Outlaw Country to Alt Rock to 70's stuff like Earth, Wind, and Fire and of course classic rock but no hair band crap.
I'm sure I'm going to get slammed but I also never got the Mettalica love. All my friends liked them but I didn't
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
that's pretty reductive. There was still plenty of metal/trash...or your REMs and U2s of the world.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
Kind of the death knell to true rock and roll, really. Grunge was, IMHO, the last bastion and I really didn't like a lot of it. Drugs got waaaay too much in the way for me. I also could not stand the hair/faux metal bands of the 80s. I was listening to the Replacements, Smithereens, Godfathers, Living Coulor, Soul Asylum, Front 242, Pixies, Cracker, The Alarm, Husker Du, Pavement, Dada, the Plimsouls, Sex Pistols, Gene Loves Jezebel, Dramarama, etc through out the mid 80s - mid 90s.
firmly a fan of THIS band or THAT one, and that's about it. Others are OK for them but nothing special. I've had friends who were Dead Heads, or the people who are just absolutely GAGA over The Boss.
I've had some favorites over the years, but my music tastes are all over the place. Pretty much the same with the bands that put of records that day 30 years back ... Peppers being my favorite of the trio, but I've enjoyed a lot of Nirvana and Pixies, but also find some of their stuff not for me.
firmly a fan of THIS band or THAT one, and that's about it. Others are OK for them but nothing special. I've had friends who were Dead Heads, or the people who are just absolutely GAGA over The Boss.
I've had some favorites over the years, but my music tastes are all over the place. Pretty much the same with the bands that put of records that day 30 years back ... Peppers being my favorite of the trio, but I've enjoyed a lot of Nirvana and Pixies, but also find some of their stuff not for me.
english high school class party. A heavy metal girl played Smells Like Teen Spirit off a cassette. I thought it sounded good and probably got the album for Christmas that year. It wasn't a life changing event for me getting the album. I still listened to Guns 'n Roses most of the time when I'd listen to music. Definitely ended up having a major impact on what I listened too though. Within a two years I was listening to Pearl Jam and STP and the Green Day hit.
As an aside, I thought I should listen to it today and see what I think. Back then I wasn't much of a music fan. I would listen to the hit songs from an album vs. the whole thing so I cannot say for sure I ever listened to the whole album start to finish. Somehow, it isn't on my phone. I'll have to rummage through the CD collection in the basement later. I am shocked I never ripped that album. The only song I have by them is You Know Your Right on my phone.
but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 22. Funny at the time (i.e. September 1991) it didn't feel seismic, I just thought it was a good indy hard rock album like a bunch that had been coming out since 1989 or thereabouts. Like form Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.
The seismic shift happened in the following weeks when it completely saturated popular consciousness.
It didn't feel "seismic" or immediate to me either. There was a big overlap with Guns n Roses as they were still a huge band for at least the next 2 years as they toured. And, as you said, there was stuff coming prior to Nevermind. AIC and Jane's were all over MTV prior to Nevermind coming out.
And of course you could hear tons of alternative (or whatever you want to call it) music on WDRE.
and was more a classic rock guy who disliked the glam era while some of my friends loved it. For me music GN&R really started bringing music back, they had a glam look but didn't play glam.
I enjoyed a lot of what followed once grunge came out because it was heavier and darker but some of it came off as woe is me whining. I still listen to it but not as much.
Was the best of the Seattle bands. STP was grouped with grunge but it was not grunge IMO. Another great band from that era. Nirvana was my least favorite of the Seattle bands.
I am pretty close to you on this. A guy I worked with was a singer in a STP cover band back then too- lol
RE: RE: I think Nirvana got better after nevermind.
I thought "in utero" was well done probably better in my mind than nevermind.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Man in the Box was a legit hit before Nevermind even came out. Yes there was a post-grunge wave of wannabees...but AIC was certainly not in that group. Although I would agree they did get a nice bump in popularity due to being associated with Nirvana, etc.
I agree I had facelift in 1990 and was a big fan but it never took off until Nirvana hit. The single start charting in 1991
I think people were looking for that sound.
Soundgarden was around before Nirvana I saw them at the beacon in 90 they got a pretty big bump from the explosion of the Seattle scene started by Nirvana.
Was the best of the Seattle bands. STP was grouped with grunge but it was not grunge IMO. Another great band from that era. Nirvana was my least favorite of the Seattle bands.
I always favored Soundgarden and AiC myself as well. I see I'm not alone wondering why STP is lumped in with the Seattle grunge guys.
RE: Soundgarden was the first Seattle band to sign to a major label
Changed the face of music = overrated lol
Introduced Dave Grohl and Only Started a whole new era of music.
Nirvana changed the face of music? LOL. Sure.
What, lol. They very obviously and pretty clearly did.
I can't believe this thread is 66 posts long. I don't know why anyone gives a shit when some dipshits on BBI have to say about Nirvana when everyone actually involved in music knows what the deal is.
I could have sworn he said Soundgarden and Pearl Jam all released their albums this month (and Stern was quoting Lars Ulrich from Metalica) ... that changed music.
Those 3 albums were all released within 6-7 weeks of each other? - the same year. That is amazing.
I didn't read all the previous post - not sure if others have mentioned this?
I could have sworn he said Soundgarden and Pearl Jam all released their albums this month (and Stern was quoting Lars Ulrich from Metalica) ... that changed music.
Those 3 albums were all released within 6-7 weeks of each other? - the same year. That is amazing.
I didn't read all the previous post - not sure if others have mentioned this?
Yeah, just what I thought while I was typing - a few people already did mention it. Oh well, I concur.
Blood Sugar Sex Magik came out that same month too
Smells Like Teen Spirit was the first single, and the monster hit, but it wasn't expected to be. DGC thought it was too aggressive to be a big hit but thought it would create a buzz around the band. Come As You Are is the one the label thought would be a big hit.
but to me they were a band that had a drummer that was in Scream and let Pat Smear from the Germs join. The changing music and image happened with that group of bands 10 years earlier for me.
I got In Utero on clear vinyl when it came out. It is going for $450 on Discogs now.
Many of Nirvana's best songs were B-sides, from obscure EPs, or unreleased. My favorite Nirvana songs are Oh The Guilt, which was from a split single with The Jesus Lizard, and Verse Chorus Verse from the box set.
I wouldn't conflate their success and popularity pre and post death of Cobain, both were massive. It would be like saying Tupac and Biggie were overrated in hip hop and their deaths made them more what they were. BIG only had 2 studio albums and he's pretty much the biggest hip hop icon of the 90's (that's arguable, but he's up there if not #1).
Definitely wasn't implying that they weren't popular before Cobain died. They were.
I just think the reflection on their place in rock obviously started early and at the height of their popularity. My main point is I see them as one of many good bands of the era, not the sole face of it or definition of it.
I think it would have been really interesting to see how their sound would have matured. Pearl Jam changed quite a bit from Ten to where they are now.
RE: Also, while it's a bit of a cliche to say something like this
Many of Nirvana's best songs were B-sides, from obscure EPs, or unreleased. My favorite Nirvana songs are Oh The Guilt, which was from a split single with The Jesus Lizard, and Verse Chorus Verse from the box set.
If I remember correctly Verse Chorus Verse was originally on the Beavis and Butthead soundtrack. All these lesser known songs were good, and seem like gems, because Nirvana produced no bad songs. Cobain was a genius songwriter. He wrote the lyrics to Bleach a few hours before the recording session. he allegedly wrote the whole Live Through This album by Hole pretty quickly.
RE: RE: RE: I think they are somewhat overrated too
I wouldn't conflate their success and popularity pre and post death of Cobain, both were massive. It would be like saying Tupac and Biggie were overrated in hip hop and their deaths made them more what they were. BIG only had 2 studio albums and he's pretty much the biggest hip hop icon of the 90's (that's arguable, but he's up there if not #1).
Definitely wasn't implying that they weren't popular before Cobain died. They were.
I just think the reflection on their place in rock obviously started early and at the height of their popularity. My main point is I see them as one of many good bands of the era, not the sole face of it or definition of it.
I think it would have been really interesting to see how their sound would have matured. Pearl Jam changed quite a bit from Ten to where they are now.
They were the face. They will always be the face of early 90s rock. Many may prefer Pearl Jam. I don't blame them. Pearl Jam was a good band playing very familiar music derivative of classic rock. Nirvana was a lot more fresh than that. Sure they drew from REM and the Pixies, but it was bold music, metal via punk. And the lyrics revealed an artist struggling with inner demons.
The one on the B&B album was I Hate Myself and Want to Die
They actually called two different songs Verse Chorus Verse. One was recorded for In Utero but dropped and then released as the hidden track on the No Alternative album.
The title that one is known by today is Sappy. The other one was recorded years earlier for their 1990 demo but abandoned after that. I guess they just liked the title.
RE: The one on the B&B album was I Hate Myself and Want to Die
They actually called two different songs Verse Chorus Verse. One was recorded for In Utero but dropped and then released as the hidden track on the No Alternative album.
The title that one is known by today is Sappy. The other one was recorded years earlier for their 1990 demo but abandoned after that. I guess they just liked the title.
right.. yes I have that No Alternative album somewhere in storage. It's all coming back to me now.. sorta..
I can't believe this thread is 66 posts long. I don't know why anyone gives a shit when some dipshits on BBI have to say about Nirvana when everyone actually involved in music knows what the deal is.
The music discussion threads are the best threads on BBI.
Plus you have learned a ton from me over the years.
A school within your own tugboat heart, forever, wrapped within lava flow.
30 years later. If you don't get it fine, but the avatar for an entire genre of music might be an important band.
I was 25 when this came out. What a welcome shot to head this thing was. For the first time, I felt like I listened to music that was mine, not crap people in the 60s or 70s made. It was ours.
RE: What does overrated mean? I mean here we are, talking about it
30 years later. If you don't get it fine, but the avatar for an entire genre of music might be an important band.
I was 25 when this came out. What a welcome shot to head this thing was. For the first time, I felt like I listened to music that was mine, not crap people in the 60s or 70s made. It was ours.
Bingo, dude. I was 26 when it came out. it was a musical earthquake, though it was building on the likes of the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Husker Du, etc.
RE: The one on the B&B album was I Hate Myself and Want to Die
They actually called two different songs Verse Chorus Verse. One was recorded for In Utero but dropped and then released as the hidden track on the No Alternative album.
The title that one is known by today is Sappy. The other one was recorded years earlier for their 1990 demo but abandoned after that. I guess they just liked the title.
I hate myself and want to die is one of the GREATEST nirvana songs. Can't believe it was a B-Side
RE: Also, while it's a bit of a cliche to say something like this
Many of Nirvana's best songs were B-sides, from obscure EPs, or unreleased. My favorite Nirvana songs are Oh The Guilt, which was from a split single with The Jesus Lizard, and Verse Chorus Verse from the box set.
Oh the Guilt is another classic. Curmudgeon was another sick song. Didn't know you were a fellow Nirvana geek
I can't believe this thread is 66 posts long. I don't know why anyone gives a shit when some dipshits on BBI have to say about Nirvana when everyone actually involved in music knows what the deal is.
The music discussion threads are the best threads on BBI.
Plus you have learned a ton from me over the years.
A school within your own tugboat heart, forever, wrapped within lava flow.
I wrote that because I saw the post length and the dumbass post about Nirvana being "overrated" and thought that was most of what the thread consisted of.
but they got taken by MTV and absorbed into their library when I was working on a secret Nirvana documentary project about 20 years ago.
How did they get them?
I loaned them to the production. I thought they would just copy them and give them back but they locked them up and my guess, over the years, filed them in archives with all the other footage they acquired. I felt bad asking for them back. It was a great opportunity to work on that project and it led to some even better stuff. I can't complain.
They had unbelievable footage of the band from the early days that nobody had ever seen. A lot of it has been released since, like Nirvana playing in a record store before they were signed, shit like that. And home movies of them sleeping in a van and crashing at a friend's house after a gig on the road.
Was any of it on the "With the Lights Out" boxset that came out in 2004? I got that for Christmas that same year it came out.
yes I think so. I don't know that box in particular but I started to see that footage around the time of the box's release. For all I know all the footage that wowed me has now been released. The record store performance is out there. I got to watch the raw footage. And I think a lot of the home video was released in some form. Plus there were tons of performances, a lot of which are now on youtube.
30 years later. If you don't get it fine, but the avatar for an entire genre of music might be an important band.
I was 25 when this came out. What a welcome shot to head this thing was. For the first time, I felt like I listened to music that was mine, not crap people in the 60s or 70s made. It was ours.
Bingo, dude. I was 26 when it came out. it was a musical earthquake, though it was building on the likes of the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Husker Du, etc.
That's kind of what I was getting at with my first post on this thread. I was an alt rock fan, so this was a build on things that were going on in the late 80s, at least that's how I felt when it came out.
But the real thing was that people who didn't follow Husker Du, the Replacements etc. started listening and it exploded from there.
Many of Nirvana's best songs were B-sides, from obscure EPs, or unreleased. My favorite Nirvana songs are Oh The Guilt, which was from a split single with The Jesus Lizard, and Verse Chorus Verse from the box set.
Oh the Guilt is another classic. Curmudgeon was another sick song. Didn't know you were a fellow Nirvana geek
Oh yeah. Nevermind came out when I was a sophomore in high school and I spent most of high school and college being obsessed with them. Back then, finding bootleg CDs like the Outcesticide series was so much fun.
The internet definitely killed the search for the import and
Same. I was never a big fan.
My uncle definitely had no idea what he was doing to me when he gave me his old copies of Nevermind and In Utero.
I fucking love Nirvana, I fucking love Kurt, Krist, and Dave, and these records, for being 30 years old, just do not sound very dated at all. It's crazy.
I've got mixed feelings on the Nirvana smiley being a fashion brand/icon now, but hey, I'll take it if it keeps them "cool" and relevant.
Bon Jovi, Def Leopard, Whitesnake, Poison, etc., they all went out of their way to look good (or so they thought at the time), and all followed the same formula - heavy on the hairspray, the riffs, but also the synthesizers.
Then Nirvana comes along and not only do they look like they don't give a shit about anything, but they sound completely different. They're not singing about "girls girls girls" or blowing lines at parties. They sound pissed off. And changed music forever.
Ifs funny, 30 years later, I think cheesy hair Metal like Def Leppard has aged better than teenage faux angst grunge stuff like Nirvana.
And it was a very well sequenced album as well.
A classic in many ways.
Changed the face of music = overrated lol
Introduced Dave Grohl and Only Started a whole new era of music.
I think everyone was done with the glam rock garbage.
It was timely
Didn't do anything that The Clash and Sex Pistols had already done 2 decades earlier.
I think everyone was done with the glam rock garbage.
It was timely
Agreed, it was a really interesting time for music because you had all of the hair band trash with some good music mixed in like Van Halen in the 80’s. And then GNR was kind of like a bridge from the hair band era to something heavier in like the 88-91 timeframe. Then Nirvana comes in and establishes the grunge era. I mean think about the up and coming bands back then: Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots. What a great time for rock music.
I was 22. Funny at the time (i.e. September 1991) it didn't feel seismic, I just thought it was a good indy hard rock album like a bunch that had been coming out since 1989 or thereabouts. Like form Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.
The seismic shift happened in the following weeks when it completely saturated popular consciousness.
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One of the more overrated bands in recent memory.
Changed the face of music = overrated lol
Introduced Dave Grohl and Only Started a whole new era of music.
Nirvana changed the face of music? LOL. Sure.
Did they change music? Yeah. Was it for good? That's up for debate.
It's only music though and I don't take any of it personally. Meh.
I'd argue that Pearl Jam was the most influential but...I'm a massive PJ fan, so I'm clearly biased LOL.
Great year for music - 1991.
Bon Jovi, Def Leopard, Whitesnake, Poison, etc., they all went out of their way to look good (or so they thought at the time), and all followed the same formula - heavy on the hairspray, the riffs, but also the synthesizers.
Then Nirvana comes along and not only do they look like they don't give a shit about anything, but they sound completely different. They're not singing about "girls girls girls" or blowing lines at parties. They sound pissed off. And changed music forever.
Very well said, and good comparison between hair bands of the 80s (who I loved) and the difference with Nirvana
It's funny because them being a huge mainstream success is a juxtaposition of why they even made music to begin with. Add in that now its cool to not like things that are mainstream and thats where I think some of the dislike comes from (and the reverse juxtaposition, coincidentally).
I think everyone was done with the glam rock garbage.
It was timely
agree that Nirvana and the like had more of an emphasis on substance over style, but the grunge bads definitely had an "image" that was a conscious choice.
Since someone mentioned Pearl Jam - it's funny, but it was pretty rare for someone to be a big fan of both of them. Generally you were either a Nirvana guy or a Pearl Jam guy. I thought PJ was OK but nothing special.
Fuck that's a terrible take.
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 22. Funny at the time (i.e. September 1991) it didn't feel seismic, I just thought it was a good indy hard rock album like a bunch that had been coming out since 1989 or thereabouts. Like form Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.
The seismic shift happened in the following weeks when it completely saturated popular consciousness.
It didn't feel "seismic" or immediate to me either. There was a big overlap with Guns n Roses as they were still a huge band for at least the next 2 years as they toured. And, as you said, there was stuff coming prior to Nevermind. AIC and Jane's were all over MTV prior to Nevermind coming out.
And of course you could hear tons of alternative (or whatever you want to call it) music on WDRE.
If we're being honest I think Cobain's death catapulted them to another level of fame because of the "What could have been" factor.
Good to great band, but the comments that swing toward idolatry are just over the top for me personally. A number of their hits, their lyrics just don't hold up now that I'm not an angsty kid and that's a big measuring stick for me: do I still enjoy the music now that I'm a different person?
"Polly" for example, is about a real life rape, but he changed the story to empower the victim even more. Viewed with the benefit of hindsight, it was a warning for what has now become "incel" culture.
What people are not remembering is how big the VIDEO was at the time. I remember everyone in the neighborhood screaming when that video came on MTV lol
If we're being honest I think Cobain's death catapulted them to another level of fame because of the "What could have been" factor.
Good to great band, but the comments that swing toward idolatry are just over the top for me personally. A number of their hits, their lyrics just don't hold up now that I'm not an angsty kid and that's a big measuring stick for me: do I still enjoy the music now that I'm a different person?
I wouldn't conflate their success and popularity pre and post death of Cobain, both were massive. It would be like saying Tupac and Biggie were overrated in hip hop and their deaths made them more what they were. BIG only had 2 studio albums and he's pretty much the biggest hip hop icon of the 90's (that's arguable, but he's up there if not #1).
It's funny because them being a huge mainstream success is a juxtaposition of why they even made music to begin with. Add in that now its cool to not like things that are mainstream and thats where I think some of the dislike comes from (and the reverse juxtaposition, coincidentally).
Grandiose assessment there, my high-minded friend. The juxtaposition of these two musical symbols make it easy to gulp. Ergo - the sun beating down on the mayonnaise that we called the music industry is now a .... How do we say ... - h- uxtopostion, actually.
I was 30 and was blown away the first time I heard the record.
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One of the more overrated bands in recent memory.
Didn't do anything that The Clash and Sex Pistols had already done 2 decades earlier.
It's generational. One could argue that the Clash and Sex Pistols hadn't done anything the Who hadn't done 15 years earlier.
The fact is that Nirvana spoke to that era's younger generation in the way that Clash/Pistols did 2 decades earlier.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Since someone mentioned Pearl Jam - it's funny, but it was pretty rare for someone to be a big fan of both of them. Generally you were either a Nirvana guy or a Pearl Jam guy. I thought PJ was OK but nothing special.
Agreed with most of what you said, but I love both Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Listened the shit out of those albums.
I tried to be nice (didn't tell them I hate hair bands), told the band leader it was good, but maybe they could add a different song or two to widen their appeal to the locals (our town isn't huge). He said like what? I said (while trying to suggest something somewhat contemporary), I don't know, maybe some Nirvana. The subject line above was his response.
Allllrightythen. I had to laugh.
I was/is a huge Pearl Jam guy and I've never been a huge Nirvana fan.
I will say though, I think Nirvana's Unplugged was far and away the best Unplugged MTV ever put out and one of my favorite performances of all time. Alice in Chains' Unplugged was 2nd.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Unplugged is unreal, IMO. One of my favorite albums of anyone.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I was 19...and I heard an advance copy of "Smells like..." about 4 months before it was released. I liked it and hated it at the same time, and I *knew* instinctively it was going to be huge.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
AIC had Facelift out in 1990 way before Nevermind.
I was a metal head and AIC was popular on the local college metal station (Seton Hall WSOU). I always thought it was weird AIC was lumped with the other grunge bands just because they were from Seattle, but they were much heavier.
And Peal Jam (which I don't like) is straight rock. They never sounded grungy to me.
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 19...and I heard an advance copy of "Smells like..." about 4 months before it was released. I liked it and hated it at the same time, and I *knew* instinctively it was going to be huge.
Mistyped...I was 29.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Man in the Box was a legit hit before Nevermind even came out. Yes there was a post-grunge wave of wannabees...but AIC was certainly not in that group. Although I would agree they did get a nice bump in popularity due to being associated with Nirvana, etc.
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
I never got into the hair bands either. I did get into New Wave and Punk for a bit because I was living in San Diego while in the Navy and still like much of it today. I have pretty wide tastes in Music from Outlaw Country to Alt Rock to 70's stuff like Earth, Wind, and Fire and of course classic rock but no hair band crap.
I'm sure I'm going to get slammed but I also never got the Mettalica love. All my friends liked them but I didn't
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
that's pretty reductive. There was still plenty of metal/trash...or your REMs and U2s of the world.
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I never got into them until 15 years after this album came out. Did not like Grunge rock when it first came out but that changed 15 years later
I dug the grunge bands who you could trace from the rock music I grew up loving, eg, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Queensryche. Hated the hair bands, THEY killed rock music imv. Look at how many young people in the generations after that seemed to move over to hip hop. Their choices were hair or grunge and they bolted.
Kind of the death knell to true rock and roll, really. Grunge was, IMHO, the last bastion and I really didn't like a lot of it. Drugs got waaaay too much in the way for me. I also could not stand the hair/faux metal bands of the 80s. I was listening to the Replacements, Smithereens, Godfathers, Living Coulor, Soul Asylum, Front 242, Pixies, Cracker, The Alarm, Husker Du, Pavement, Dada, the Plimsouls, Sex Pistols, Gene Loves Jezebel, Dramarama, etc through out the mid 80s - mid 90s.
I've had some favorites over the years, but my music tastes are all over the place. Pretty much the same with the bands that put of records that day 30 years back ... Peppers being my favorite of the trio, but I've enjoyed a lot of Nirvana and Pixies, but also find some of their stuff not for me.
But DAAAAAMMMMMN. Thirty years. Holy crap.
I've had some favorites over the years, but my music tastes are all over the place. Pretty much the same with the bands that put of records that day 30 years back ... Peppers being my favorite of the trio, but I've enjoyed a lot of Nirvana and Pixies, but also find some of their stuff not for me.
But DAAAAAMMMMMN. Thirty years. Holy crap.
Holy shit. I agree with this post 100%.
Beez? Making sense? Beez??
As an aside, I thought I should listen to it today and see what I think. Back then I wasn't much of a music fan. I would listen to the hit songs from an album vs. the whole thing so I cannot say for sure I ever listened to the whole album start to finish. Somehow, it isn't on my phone. I'll have to rummage through the CD collection in the basement later. I am shocked I never ripped that album. The only song I have by them is You Know Your Right on my phone.
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but never really got the Nirvana explosion. Guess I was too old already.
I was 22. Funny at the time (i.e. September 1991) it didn't feel seismic, I just thought it was a good indy hard rock album like a bunch that had been coming out since 1989 or thereabouts. Like form Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.
The seismic shift happened in the following weeks when it completely saturated popular consciousness.
It didn't feel "seismic" or immediate to me either. There was a big overlap with Guns n Roses as they were still a huge band for at least the next 2 years as they toured. And, as you said, there was stuff coming prior to Nevermind. AIC and Jane's were all over MTV prior to Nevermind coming out.
And of course you could hear tons of alternative (or whatever you want to call it) music on WDRE.
Man, I miss WLIR/WDRE
I enjoyed a lot of what followed once grunge came out because it was heavier and darker but some of it came off as woe is me whining. I still listen to it but not as much.
I am pretty close to you on this. A guy I worked with was a singer in a STP cover band back then too- lol
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I thought "in utero" was well done probably better in my mind than nevermind.
The unplugged album/concert blew me away.
I think they were really developing when Cobain died.
They get a lot of credit for a major shift in rock music at the time not sure if it was warranted but it did make people look for a different kind of music.
I led to a lot of band getting record deals that would not of 5 years before.
Do we know Alice in chains if there was no Nirvana and pearl jam?
Man in the Box was a legit hit before Nevermind even came out. Yes there was a post-grunge wave of wannabees...but AIC was certainly not in that group. Although I would agree they did get a nice bump in popularity due to being associated with Nirvana, etc.
I agree I had facelift in 1990 and was a big fan but it never took off until Nirvana hit. The single start charting in 1991
I think people were looking for that sound.
Soundgarden was around before Nirvana I saw them at the beacon in 90 they got a pretty big bump from the explosion of the Seattle scene started by Nirvana.
I always favored Soundgarden and AiC myself as well. I see I'm not alone wondering why STP is lumped in with the Seattle grunge guys.
I always thought it was Mother Love Bone - but you might be right.
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One of the more overrated bands in recent memory.
Changed the face of music = overrated lol
Introduced Dave Grohl and Only Started a whole new era of music.
Nirvana changed the face of music? LOL. Sure.
I can't believe this thread is 66 posts long. I don't know why anyone gives a shit when some dipshits on BBI have to say about Nirvana when everyone actually involved in music knows what the deal is.
I could have sworn he said Soundgarden and Pearl Jam all released their albums this month (and Stern was quoting Lars Ulrich from Metalica) ... that changed music.
Those 3 albums were all released within 6-7 weeks of each other? - the same year. That is amazing.
I didn't read all the previous post - not sure if others have mentioned this?
I could have sworn he said Soundgarden and Pearl Jam all released their albums this month (and Stern was quoting Lars Ulrich from Metalica) ... that changed music.
Those 3 albums were all released within 6-7 weeks of each other? - the same year. That is amazing.
I didn't read all the previous post - not sure if others have mentioned this?
Yeah, just what I thought while I was typing - a few people already did mention it. Oh well, I concur.
92' Lollapalooza was RHCP, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.
Saw it a Jones beach.
I saw Nirvana twice at Roseland. They were an incredible live act. Heavy power chords married to a punk vibe.
I got In Utero on clear vinyl when it came out. It is going for $450 on Discogs now.
Definitely wasn't implying that they weren't popular before Cobain died. They were.
I just think the reflection on their place in rock obviously started early and at the height of their popularity. My main point is I see them as one of many good bands of the era, not the sole face of it or definition of it.
I think it would have been really interesting to see how their sound would have matured. Pearl Jam changed quite a bit from Ten to where they are now.
If I remember correctly Verse Chorus Verse was originally on the Beavis and Butthead soundtrack. All these lesser known songs were good, and seem like gems, because Nirvana produced no bad songs. Cobain was a genius songwriter. He wrote the lyrics to Bleach a few hours before the recording session. he allegedly wrote the whole Live Through This album by Hole pretty quickly.
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I wouldn't conflate their success and popularity pre and post death of Cobain, both were massive. It would be like saying Tupac and Biggie were overrated in hip hop and their deaths made them more what they were. BIG only had 2 studio albums and he's pretty much the biggest hip hop icon of the 90's (that's arguable, but he's up there if not #1).
Definitely wasn't implying that they weren't popular before Cobain died. They were.
I just think the reflection on their place in rock obviously started early and at the height of their popularity. My main point is I see them as one of many good bands of the era, not the sole face of it or definition of it.
I think it would have been really interesting to see how their sound would have matured. Pearl Jam changed quite a bit from Ten to where they are now.
They were the face. They will always be the face of early 90s rock. Many may prefer Pearl Jam. I don't blame them. Pearl Jam was a good band playing very familiar music derivative of classic rock. Nirvana was a lot more fresh than that. Sure they drew from REM and the Pixies, but it was bold music, metal via punk. And the lyrics revealed an artist struggling with inner demons.
The title that one is known by today is Sappy. The other one was recorded years earlier for their 1990 demo but abandoned after that. I guess they just liked the title.
The title that one is known by today is Sappy. The other one was recorded years earlier for their 1990 demo but abandoned after that. I guess they just liked the title.
right.. yes I have that No Alternative album somewhere in storage. It's all coming back to me now.. sorta..
The music discussion threads are the best threads on BBI.
Plus you have learned a ton from me over the years.
A school within your own tugboat heart, forever, wrapped within lava flow.
It’s a fantastic album. It wasn’t what pulled my into RCHP because of my age but whenever I’m in the mood for that harder funk, there’s no substitute.
I was 25 when this came out. What a welcome shot to head this thing was. For the first time, I felt like I listened to music that was mine, not crap people in the 60s or 70s made. It was ours.
I was 25 when this came out. What a welcome shot to head this thing was. For the first time, I felt like I listened to music that was mine, not crap people in the 60s or 70s made. It was ours.
Bingo, dude. I was 26 when it came out. it was a musical earthquake, though it was building on the likes of the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Husker Du, etc.
The title that one is known by today is Sappy. The other one was recorded years earlier for their 1990 demo but abandoned after that. I guess they just liked the title.
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I can't believe this thread is 66 posts long. I don't know why anyone gives a shit when some dipshits on BBI have to say about Nirvana when everyone actually involved in music knows what the deal is.
The music discussion threads are the best threads on BBI.
Plus you have learned a ton from me over the years.
A school within your own tugboat heart, forever, wrapped within lava flow.
my bad, go on with the chlorophyll
How did they get them?
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but they got taken by MTV and absorbed into their library when I was working on a secret Nirvana documentary project about 20 years ago.
How did they get them?
I loaned them to the production. I thought they would just copy them and give them back but they locked them up and my guess, over the years, filed them in archives with all the other footage they acquired. I felt bad asking for them back. It was a great opportunity to work on that project and it led to some even better stuff. I can't complain.
They had unbelievable footage of the band from the early days that nobody had ever seen. A lot of it has been released since, like Nirvana playing in a record store before they were signed, shit like that. And home movies of them sleeping in a van and crashing at a friend's house after a gig on the road.
yes I think so. I don't know that box in particular but I started to see that footage around the time of the box's release. For all I know all the footage that wowed me has now been released. The record store performance is out there. I got to watch the raw footage. And I think a lot of the home video was released in some form. Plus there were tons of performances, a lot of which are now on youtube.
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30 years later. If you don't get it fine, but the avatar for an entire genre of music might be an important band.
I was 25 when this came out. What a welcome shot to head this thing was. For the first time, I felt like I listened to music that was mine, not crap people in the 60s or 70s made. It was ours.
Bingo, dude. I was 26 when it came out. it was a musical earthquake, though it was building on the likes of the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Husker Du, etc.
That's kind of what I was getting at with my first post on this thread. I was an alt rock fan, so this was a build on things that were going on in the late 80s, at least that's how I felt when it came out.
But the real thing was that people who didn't follow Husker Du, the Replacements etc. started listening and it exploded from there.
Took me 30 fucking years, but I finally mastered the guitar solo for tornado of souls. And Alice in Chains was the best of all the Seattle bands.
I bet everyone in this thread would love deja entendu by brand new
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Many of Nirvana's best songs were B-sides, from obscure EPs, or unreleased. My favorite Nirvana songs are Oh The Guilt, which was from a split single with The Jesus Lizard, and Verse Chorus Verse from the box set.
Oh the Guilt is another classic. Curmudgeon was another sick song. Didn't know you were a fellow Nirvana geek
Oh yeah. Nevermind came out when I was a sophomore in high school and I spent most of high school and college being obsessed with them. Back then, finding bootleg CDs like the Outcesticide series was so much fun.
No rock and roll did die in 2010, when Gary Coleman died.
RIP. 1968-2010.