0 and 3 and it’s only going to get worse over the next 6 games. I’m sick and tired of this bullshit! Absolutely worse team in this league. There’s some good players, but as a team, they just can’t get it done at all.
could easily be 0-9 by the bye. Find me a win before then. We are the worst team in football.
Atlanta doesn't have much talent, but they don't beat themselves. Our #1 job today was to stop Patterson, and we didn't, especially on that game winning drive by the Falcons.
Tons of mistakes, mental errors, and more bad clock management and coaching. Same as every week. The whole organization is a laughingstock.
I'm off the Joe Judge bandwagon. Awful Offense, Awful Defense, Awful Coaching, Awful Discipline...I'm so sick of wasting my Sunday's on this team, and yet I can't pull myself away...like watching a car accident in slow motion....
We should be 2-1. He wasn't perfect, but he played more than good enough to earn wins. This is a terrible offense, inadequate oline, lack of strong running backs (why wasn't Booker active today) and a shockingly weak defense. Basically comes down to coaching and continued inability to find and retain oline talent.
We should be 2-1. He wasn't perfect, but he played more than good enough to earn wins. This is a terrible offense, inadequate oline, lack of strong running backs (why wasn't Booker active today) and a shockingly weak defense. Basically comes down to coaching and continued inability to find and retain oline talent.
As I said over-and-over.
It's the OLINE.
Jones is no ball of fire but the OL needs to be addressed in 2022.
Getting rid of DG and Judge won't do much, it is a deep organizational rot, with an owner that shows no signs of understanding the modern NFL. It is an entire organizational overhaul that starts with a modern NFL GM/head coach running everything without input from the owners.
trends just will not change... they suck at end of each half....Defense can't get a stop when they need it.. Offense implodes when game is on the line.... they so suck..yet again
we need a QB that doesn't check down all the time, wait too long in the pocket, and make some nails throws. He doesn't do it. He had enough time to work with today.
Justin Tucker just made a 66 yard FG to win the game on the last play. The kick hit the crossbar and went through. Jackson converted a 4th and 19 from deep in his own territory two plays beforehand.
Justin Herbert beat KC in KC. Yea Jones is better than him.
Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke.
RE: Well Lions fans have it worse than us, at least for today
Justin Herbert beat KC in KC. Yea Jones is better than him.
Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke.
Is not worth having on the field. He is a net negative.
I'm sure this has been beaten to death, but we were nearly in field goal range, with tons of time heading into the half.
Then Evan Engram, did what Evan Engram does beast....
The Giants will split the second half of he season, (and thus lose the first choice of the draft), but Mara will say "We've showed improvement at the end of the season. We can't break up a winning trend"!!!
Yep, Mara logic. Welcome the the 1970's gang! For those of you who weren't alive then, you get the full Mara experience of terrible GM's, piss poor drafting, and lousy coaching. For those of you who've been through this before, just remember "This too, shall pass."
[/quote]Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke. [/quote]
Jones may not have been 'the problem,' but he's not the solution, either. He's NOT a franchise QB. He just isn't.
Not the QB’s fault. Defense comes up small at crunch time every time
We scored one TD against a garbage defense. i think the QB has something to do with lack of production.
Garrett is calling fucking hitch routes all game with a run game that isn't working and bunch of receivers that haven't played with Jones much. How is a QB supposed to succedd when we are running timing routes in that situation. It's a joke. DJ was decent today, pinning the loss on him is a joke. A total joke. When we clean house this year and keep the QB, maybe you'll start to get it.
Saquon looks done as well, if he can't beat people in space what good is he. He's literally just a fast back at this point.
we need a QB that doesn't check down all the time, wait too long in the pocket, and make some nails throws. He doesn't do it. He had enough time to work with today.
Bullshit.. You are an idiot. Tons to blame today and DJ isn't one of them..
So in other words every other player/coach is doing their part and Jones is the weak link causing the lack of success?
Wow.
Tom Brady would have had a victory today? I HIGHLY doubt it.
We always hear this, and yet around the league QBs are lighting up the stat sheet every week. I mean Herbert just dissected the defending AFC champs. Allen dropped 4 tds on the Redskins.Burrow 3tds on the road against the steelers. DJ, 0tds - worst defense in the NFL at home.
the worst team in the league AND have no cap room. Thanks Dave!
Absolutely no way he should get to make any more personnel decisions. His latest trades of Hill for Price and for Bredeson just sum up what has been four years of terrible personnel decisions. He was brought here specifically to fix the OL and it's still a mess.
we need a QB that doesn't check down all the time, wait too long in the pocket, and make some nails throws. He doesn't do it. He had enough time to work with today.
Go back and watch the play he fumbled on. There’s no time and there’s literally no one even remotely open. The entire team is a mess and Jones is included in that.
- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Justin Herbert beat KC in KC. Yea Jones is better than him.
Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke.
+1
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
The players are losers. Second week in a row the defense can't make a stop. Third week in a row defense gives up TD just before halftime. Dumb penalties every time we started to put a drive together. And yes we still can't cover a TE even with a safety. No way I am paying Peppers big money. He can't cover for crap.
The Giants will split the second half of he season, (and thus lose the first choice of the draft), but Mara will say "We've showed improvement at the end of the season. We can't break up a winning trend"!!!
Yep, Mara logic. Welcome the the 1970's gang! For those of you who weren't alive then, you get the full Mara experience of terrible GM's, piss poor drafting, and lousy coaching. For those of you who've been through this before, just remember "This too, shall pass."
As terrible as it is, the schedule sets up so we can finish 5-3 even with this garbage coaching. So we'll win 7 games and say improvement. God damn when does it end.
I don't care what happens. They just can't get anything right at all. It could very well be that the franchise will be stuck in this void for the rest of the NFL's existence if they can't find people to turn it around and find players that make more negative plays than positive. I don't have confidence that they can.
These guys really very well could/should be winless through
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Judge is awful, show me any other coaches in the ENTIRE league that call it the way he does. Not only that, the team looks entirely unprepared, we waste timeouts with no stops to show for it. He's way over his head. If he was in his first year, fine, but he's not anymore. AFter last week you'd think he"d look at the film and adjust. But no, he's probably just screaming about execution when you aren't putting the team in a place where it can suceed. He's a fucking joke at this point.
- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
If you’re making this all about Daniel Jones, then you’re just a clueless fucking idiot. And I wouldn’t waste my breathe trying to convince anyone he was good today. But the team has nine TRILLION problems and Jones is just one of them. He’s not at the top of the list though.
And it has been. Teddy Atlas was previewing the Anthony Joshua vs. Olesandr Usyk heavyweight title bout yesterday and ended with "Joshua has already found a way to lose, Usyk has always found a way to win."
The Giants always. find. a. way. to. lose. Always.
Hard to dispute that this isn't the fault of John Mara.
Metlife stadium is an absolute pile of shit (and then complained about how expensive it was)
If you're consistently hiring incompetent people.....that means you are the most incompetent of all. And thats real bad new for the NY Football Giants.
Fire everyone, gut the pro personnel and scouting departments, remove nepotism....i'll believe it when i see it.
and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Judge is awful, show me any other coaches in the ENTIRE league that call it the way he does. Not only that, the team looks entirely unprepared, we waste timeouts with no stops to show for it. He's way over his head. If he was in his first year, fine, but he's not anymore. AFter last week you'd think he"d look at the film and adjust. But no, he's probably just screaming about execution when you aren't putting the team in a place where it can suceed. He's a fucking joke at this point.
I don't think there is a coach alive that could've survived the performance of the interior OL today. That was the worst game I've seen from a trio of OL I've ever seen. They stunk up the field and just killed far too many drives.
Judge is one of the worst game managers in the league. Hands out timeouts like candy and just too conservative on 4th down. Garrett is just awful, kind of knew he would backslide into old tendencies and it happened. Just stopped using Jones' legs and just ran his pass catchers to the sticks. His offensive philosophy and Judge's conservative decision making is such a bad combo in today's slot machine scoring environment.
Personnel wise it's just a disaster. We've been gifted high picks year over year and spent more on outside free agency (because we have had nobody on our own roster to resign) than any organization. No real understanding of positional value and just living in the past.
I have no idea what the answer is at this juncture in the season...probably because there isn't one.
situation but how do we know with running hithc routes all game with a bunch of WRs that have barely played with him? Literally none of you want to answer this question. I'm impressed he didn't throw a damn pick.
Why the hell are we even talking about him right now? There's like 20 other reasons we lost today, but once again the QB wins the QB loses nonsense.
100 percent of the attention should be on Garrett and Judge right now and I don't know why it isn't. Fuck John Mara, I hope the fans boo this team for the rest of the year.
Judge is one of the worst game managers in the league. Hands out timeouts like candy and just too conservative on 4th down. Garrett is just awful, kind of knew he would backslide into old tendencies and it happened. Just stopped using Jones' legs and just ran his pass catchers to the sticks. His offensive philosophy and Judge's conservative decision making is such a bad combo in today's slot machine scoring environment.
Personnel wise it's just a disaster. We've been gifted high picks year over year and spent more on outside free agency (because we have had nobody on our own roster to resign) than any organization. No real understanding of positional value and just living in the past.
I have no idea what the answer is at this juncture in the season...probably because there isn't one.
I seriously don't think personnel is the issue here, with actually NFL level replacement coaching, this team is most likely 2-1. Why the hell didn't the reporters grill Judge on that shit last week?
Otherwise, they are going to get to the end of the season, blame everything on Garrett and hope Kitchens taking over will fix it. The problem is, this offense is so horribly mismanaged, they need a really good offensive mind to fix it. That person does not exist in this organization.
that had given up 80 in it's first 2 games. Jones wasn't terrible but not crazy to expect more. Jalen Hurts dropped 3 TDs and 32 points against these guys. That's what we need from our QB.
Has been by far the best player on this offense so far.
But that's who the usuals go to for bitching. It's never ending.
If you know absolutely nothing about football and your team is losing...it's easiest to blame the QB. Look at Jets fans. They ran Darnold out of town and he's 3-0
engram same mistakes 5 years in a row, keeps playing every fucking week STOP PLAYING HIM YOU MORONS
I never thought I would hear myself saying it but I agree. Engram has been a net negative too long now. Even if he comes back to his first year production it wouldn't validate a new contract next near, and certainly not a starting position.
He's the 6th pick in the draft and, at best, he's a game manager plus.
I've been thinking about something Terps mentions about Jones and it really crystalized with me today - Jones's wind-up is too long. And that's because that's only way he can get juice on the ball. He's just not a natural thrower of the ball to scare defenses.
- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore? This isn’t Madden. It’s not plug and play.
that had given up 80 in it's first 2 games. Jones wasn't terrible but not crazy to expect more. Jalen Hurts dropped 3 TDs and 32 points against these guys. That's what we need from our QB.
obviously being controlled by the Giants's marketing department. Nothing but positive spin on everything. Like they just did not lose a game. Like the team is not 0-3...again.
End of first half with a lead? TD
Get a lead on a TD drive and 2 pts? Give it immediately back.
Need a stop at end if game? They’re in FG range in 2 plays.
It’s now a trend. The D was supposed to be a strength. It’s a weakness. Azeez made his 1 play. 99 made his 1. Carter? Ximenez? Anyone? The DBs play off, and don’t make plays. It’s just predictable as hell when we need a stop it’s not going to happen.
O is where it is because we can’t win the LOS. If you don’t control the line, you can’t do anything consistently.
- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Did you really think the Giants were going to draft a QB in 2020 after taking Jones in 2019?
Forget about Herbert this 1 week how about the other QBs drafted in 2020 (1st round) since that is the year you want to compare Jones to - how did they do this week?
Your 2020 hindsight is amazing - especially when you pick selective (that support your argument) comparisons.
After Atlanta TD, my wife predicted DJ interception.
I replied that I don't expect they will be aggressive at all. They will play old school. Eat clock and try to get in field goal position. The will fail and will punt on fourth down and Atl will win on last second field goal. Judge is soooo predictable. He's coaching like its the playoffs and he has a good team. This team sucks, and they will need to be aggressive and take chances in order to win.
Giants are such dinosaurs. Emphasis on field position and special teams. And they even suck at that. Get rid of all the special teams specialists (Ebner, Board, etc). Less punting. More 4th down attempts.
Our roster isn't great, but we do have enough talent that we should not consistently lose to bad teams. KT looked good in first half. At halftime, they should have emphasized getting him the ball. Instead, he disappeared in the second half.
I'm starting to hope they go 0-17 so that they will have to can DG and JJ. If they win a few meaningless games late in season, ownership will point to it as improvement and not make drastic changes. JJ may be the worst head coach in the NFL. He should be gone tomorrow, but will no doubt survive the season.
Ownership doesn't seem too upset that the Giants absolutely suck and are an embarrassment to their fans.
If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore?
We have a guy who is probably in the top 3 in the league when it comes to his running ability for a QB and this OC refuses to use it to our advantage. When we dont call RPO's, we help the opponent.
I had the giants beating atlanta in my model. Now, it will be HARD to get to 3-14. The only way Giants win now is if a team doesn't take us seriously and plays way down to our level.
This team is going to fall apart and its going to get real Ugly
For the first time in my near 50 years of consciously being a Giants fan, I’m officially checked out. Just too much to endure. I’ve accepted the seasons that began with no hope most of the time, been optimistic seasons when there was some hope (that’s been most of them) and allowed myself to be fooled those seasons there was supposed to be lots more of hope, but this is pretty much a mashup of all of them and hate me all you want, but I hit the wall.
I just don’t give a fuck anymore. Gave all the hope I have and don’t have any more. I’ll always want the Giants to win of course but for the first time in a September that I can remember, I’m checking out on a Giants season.
Should have gone apple picking with the rest of the family today.
RE: RE: RE: Well Lions fans have it worse than us, at least for today
He's the 6th pick in the draft and, at best, he's a game manager plus.
I've been thinking about something Terps mentions about Jones and it really crystalized with me today - Jones's wind-up is too long. And that's because that's only way he can get juice on the ball. He's just not a natural thrower of the ball to scare defenses.
I disagree to a certain extent. He’s only unquestionably good at two things and they barely did either one today… QB runs and deep throws. The offense MUST be designed around whatever strengths he has. Instead, Kenny Golladay runs curls and slants all day and 99% of Barkley’s carries are directly up the gut behind several of the worst offensive linemen in the sport.
- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Did you really think the Giants were going to draft a QB in 2020 after taking Jones in 2019?
Forget about Herbert this 1 week how about the other QBs drafted in 2020 (1st round) since that is the year you want to compare Jones to - how did they do this week?
Your 2020 hindsight is amazing - especially when you pick selective (that support your argument) comparisons.
i have an answer for you but i don't want to be accused of piling on. I know a lot of people are hurting today. I don't think anybody should be safe including the QB of this 0-3 team.
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Judge is awful, show me any other coaches in the ENTIRE league that call it the way he does. Not only that, the team looks entirely unprepared, we waste timeouts with no stops to show for it. He's way over his head. If he was in his first year, fine, but he's not anymore. AFter last week you'd think he"d look at the film and adjust. But no, he's probably just screaming about execution when you aren't putting the team in a place where it can suceed. He's a fucking joke at this point.
Zeke - I am not defending Judge. Last week I question why everyone thought Gettleman would be the first to go and not Judge - "We still might need another HC"
I am just not sure how anyone can say we lost because of Jones ... and Producer seems to think he is the root of all the Giant's evils.
Judge is one of the worst game managers in the league. Hands out timeouts like candy and just too conservative on 4th down. Garrett is just awful, kind of knew he would backslide into old tendencies and it happened. Just stopped using Jones' legs and just ran his pass catchers to the sticks. His offensive philosophy and Judge's conservative decision making is such a bad combo in today's slot machine scoring environment.
Personnel wise it's just a disaster. We've been gifted high picks year over year and spent more on outside free agency (because we have had nobody on our own roster to resign) than any organization. No real understanding of positional value and just living in the past.
I have no idea what the answer is at this juncture in the season...probably because there isn't one.
I seriously don't think personnel is the issue here, with actually NFL level replacement coaching, this team is most likely 2-1. Why the hell didn't the reporters grill Judge on that shit last week?
With average coaching this team is 1-2 or 2-1 against a somewhat easy start to the schedule, However the Giants have had such an advantage over the rest the league for so many years on the personnel side and we're probably being generous calling the talent average. High draft picks every single year and for all of Mara's faults, he does spend. It's a total organizational failure for this team to be 0-3 against an average to easy schedule at this juncture. It's top to bottom.
If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore?
We have a guy who is probably in the top 3 in the league when it comes to his running ability for a QB and this OC refuses to use it to our advantage. When we dont call RPO's, we help the opponent.
Exactly! I couldn't believe it. Especially with the season on the line, too. With all the shame of losing, he still insisted on making Jones purely a pocket passer.
- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Did you really think the Giants were going to draft a QB in 2020 after taking Jones in 2019?
Forget about Herbert this 1 week how about the other QBs drafted in 2020 (1st round) since that is the year you want to compare Jones to - how did they do this week?
Your 2020 hindsight is amazing - especially when you pick selective (that support your argument) comparisons.
i have an answer for you but i don't want to be accused of piling on. I know a lot of people are hurting today. I don't think anybody should be safe including the QB of this 0-3 team.
Okay - I can agree with this last statement. I apologize if I read your previous statements wrong. It just seemed like you were blaming 1 guy for our 0-3 start. I agree there is plenty of blame to be spread around - if that is what you are saying?
Is not perfect. Has his flaws. But he could light up teams too, if the offensive system and the playcalling offered that. In the conservative and flawed offense they run, he is at best a game manager who makes a nice deep throw once in a while.
Yes, sometimes the oline gives him enough time. Sometimes they do block well. But the play design and the play calling doesn't reflect the reality of where they are likely to perform well and where they are not.
However even with a good offense, if you have players that don't know how to line up, go offsides, fumble or tip away the ball, don't make the catches they are supposed to make, don't run into the holes they are supposed to decisively hit, that good offense is going to look bad and our poor offensive system looks horrible. Bad coaching and preparation all around.
and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
he was ok at best. He doesn’t get the ball in the hands of his playmakers- Jax castoff Johnson led the team in target, not his multi million dollar receiver, he doesn’t get it done in the red zone and he fumbled again today. Contrast Ryan who gave Ridley 11 targets even though he was a marked man.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
Is not perfect. Has his flaws. But he could light up teams too, if the offensive system and the playcalling offered that. In the conservative and flawed offense they run, he is at best a game manager who makes a nice deep throw once in a while.
Yes, sometimes the oline gives him enough time. Sometimes they do block well. But the play design and the play calling doesn't reflect the reality of where they are likely to perform well and where they are not.
However even with a good offense, if you have players that don't know how to line up, go offsides, fumble or tip away the ball, don't make the catches they are supposed to make, don't run into the holes they are supposed to decisively hit, that good offense is going to look bad and our poor offensive system looks horrible. Bad coaching and preparation all around.
these losses are all on the coaching staff. the players
and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
he was ok at best. He doesn’t get the ball in the hands of his playmakers- Jax castoff Johnson led the team in target, not his multi million dollar receiver, he doesn’t get it done in the red zone and he fumbled again today. Contrast Ryan who gave Ridley 11 targets even though he was a marked man.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
say it’s Jones fault or Judge fault or the defense gave up a lot of 3rd down completions in the 4th but the Falcons gave up 80 points in their first 2 games and we out here with only 7 points in the 4th qrtr. This schmuck Garrett is Basura!!!! So is Gettleman!
If Judge had any balls he would demote Garrett immediately but more than likely he’s been pressured by the ones who’s truly responsible for all of this to keep him there for the rest of the season for better or worse.
For his last 5 + years.
At least Jones can make plays with his legs.
This is coaching/management incompetence. There are talented pieces on this team, it is just being mismanaged
If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore?
We have a guy who is probably in the top 3 in the league when it comes to his running ability for a QB and this OC refuses to use it to our advantage. When we dont call RPO's, we help the opponent.
The biggest disappointment in this game if you ask me. Did they not watch how effective the RPO was last week? They should be running that like crazy every week. Baffling to say the least.
and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
he was ok at best. He doesn’t get the ball in the hands of his playmakers- Jax castoff Johnson led the team in target, not his multi million dollar receiver, he doesn’t get it done in the red zone and he fumbled again today. Contrast Ryan who gave Ridley 11 targets even though he was a marked man.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
He's the 6th pick in the draft and, at best, he's a game manager plus.
I've been thinking about something Terps mentions about Jones and it really crystalized with me today - Jones's wind-up is too long. And that's because that's only way he can get juice on the ball. He's just not a natural thrower of the ball to scare defenses.
You and Terps dreamily staring at each other over a plate of spaghetti...
Saban and Belicheck learned an important lesson that led to their periods of dominance in College and NFL.
You need an offense that can score 40+ on a random week to win.
It's principle and lesson that most if not all of their proteges have never grasped.
I suspect Judge's inability to adjust to that change, is why the offense struggles so much. He coaches conservative and expects to run it 30+ times and win games the old-fashioned way. No team, no player in such a handcuffed system is gonna flourish.
Jones will be a casualty here and move to his fate on another team, so will Barkley. So be it
Not going for it on 4th down is a head coach call. Mental offsides and illegally downfield is discipline which is the head coach. This defense is pure ass, that would be Graham. And since Judge couldn’t scheme anything the Giants are stuck with that bag of sh!t
and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
he was ok at best. He doesn’t get the ball in the hands of his playmakers- Jax castoff Johnson led the team in target, not his multi million dollar receiver, he doesn’t get it done in the red zone and he fumbled again today. Contrast Ryan who gave Ridley 11 targets even though he was a marked man.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
So you wanted him to just force feed the ball to who, I'm guessing you must mean Kenny Golladay who is hurt and had to miss an entire series today. Maybe you throw to the guys that are open. Ridley's 11 targets resulted in 61 yards today. That would invite the "Jones YPA just isn't good enough" crowd who are always waiting to bring that out of the bag of tricks.
What’s crazy is that even thought Jones isn’t turning it over
After Atlanta TD, my wife predicted DJ interception.
I replied that I don't expect they will be aggressive at all. They will play old school. Eat clock and try to get in field goal position. The will fail and will punt on fourth down and Atl will win on last second field goal. Judge is soooo predictable. He's coaching like its the playoffs and he has a good team. This team sucks, and they will need to be aggressive and take chances in order to win.
Giants are such dinosaurs. Emphasis on field position and special teams. And they even suck at that. Get rid of all the special teams specialists (Ebner, Board, etc). Less punting. More 4th down attempts.
Our roster isn't great, but we do have enough talent that we should not consistently lose to bad teams. KT looked good in first half. At halftime, they should have emphasized getting him the ball. Instead, he disappeared in the second half.
I'm starting to hope they go 0-17 so that they will have to can DG and JJ. If they win a few meaningless games late in season, ownership will point to it as improvement and not make drastic changes. JJ may be the worst head coach in the NFL. He should be gone tomorrow, but will no doubt survive the season.
Ownership doesn't seem too upset that the Giants absolutely suck and are an embarrassment to their fans.
This is why I've soured on Judge.
He's shown that he doesn't have the attention to detail he claimed he had, he's not disciplined, he coaches more scared than Shurmur did, and the most important thing, as you pointed out, our special teams still suck.
If our special teams looked better or at least we showed more discipline on the field, I'd think Judge at least was doing his job. But really, what's he bring us? My father insists Garrett may as well be the head coach.
say it’s Jones fault or Judge fault or the defense gave up a lot of 3rd down completions in the 4th but the Falcons gave up 80 points in their first 2 games and we out here with only 7 points in the 4th qrtr. This schmuck Garrett is Basura!!!! So is Gettleman!
If Judge had any balls he would demote Garrett immediately but more than likely he’s been pressured by the ones who’s truly responsible for all of this to keep him there for the rest of the season for better or worse.
Well, every year we find a new scapegoat but Chris Mara still presides over the personnel. How's that personnel looking?
Team is more talented than team we fielded last year. Main culprit today was OLine. That was biggest question mark at beginning of season. We were hoping that right side of line would hold and develop into competent performers. Instead, right side still questionable and best OLer (Gates) out and another one we were counting on for development Lemieux injured as well.
Add to that 2 starting wrs lost due to injuries.
Marginally talented teams cannot overcome these types of injuries.
I used crises for the last game. He is a special teams coach so he is relying on his coordinators for production. He can't take over a unit to turn it around.
One of the worst things for a player is to see your HC scared to win. Sorry but that is where this is and it will be exceptionally difficult to get the players back.
Mara got booed today. So that will be hopefully a wake up call to I think fans have really had enough and I think he may have seen the clear message today.
Let's see if this HC has the NY fight and balls to turn this team around. If not, clean house including all Mara's from the front office.
What did you expect one of the bosas in the third round.? Who are the great 3rs round edge rushers in the league, most be a laundry list of them if Carter is a bust
They kept him in the pocket today and he didn’t make any mistakes…or really any plays. And this is against a poor defense. One TD is not a good performance by any measure in today’s NFL.
The strength of Jones’ game is not being a pocket passer. He ran a lot of RPO last week and the offense clicked. Kept him in the pocket today and the offense was stagnant.
The Giants need to realize the QB they drafted is much more Lamar Jackson than Eli Manning (style wise).
They kept him in the pocket today and he didn’t make any mistakes…or really any plays. And this is against a poor defense. One TD is not a good performance by any measure in today’s NFL.
The strength of Jones’ game is not being a pocket passer. He ran a lot of RPO last week and the offense clicked. Kept him in the pocket today and the offense was stagnant.
The Giants need to realize the QB they drafted is much more Lamar Jackson than Eli Manning (style wise).
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
What did you expect one of the bosas in the third round.? Who are the great 3rs round edge rushers in the league, most be a laundry list of them if Carter is a bust
So…maybe don’t pick him then? A third round pick isn’t exactly UDFA.
I used crises for the last game. He is a special teams coach so he is relying on his coordinators for production. He can't take over a unit to turn it around.
One of the worst things for a player is to see your HC scared to win. Sorry but that is where this is and it will be exceptionally difficult to get the players back.
Mara got booed today. So that will be hopefully a wake up call to I think fans have really had enough and I think he may have seen the clear message today.
Let's see if this HC has the NY fight and balls to turn this team around. If not, clean house including all Mara's from the front office.
Nepotism needs to stop... It's terrible. Todays day an age I can see players speaking up on twitter about it. It's normally a problem at a place of work, why wouldn't it be a problem in the NFL. You're not hiring the best, your giving a brother/cousin work because its a family business...
Plus you're charing PSL's which is offensive to the owners of those seats when you're playing like shit for 7+ years.
RE: If you told me in August that Jones was producing at an NFL starter
Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
Essentially sums up the last 10 years of Giants football. Jackson is not a bad player, but it’s like once guys put on that blue jersey they seem to just sink into the deepest depths of suckitude. And I think the issue is… our guys don’t expect to win. As members of the New York football Giants organization, they don’t have confidence in their teammates, their coaching staff, and eventually not even themselves to win a football game. Hence… a player finds himself in a position to actually make a play that would WIN THE GAME… he’s so shocked that he doesn’t even know what to do with himself. He suddenly forgets everything he knows about the basic act of catching a football, because he’s not out there really believing he can win, he’s out there just hoping against hope to NOT lose.
It’s no coincidence these guys come to the Giants and have a deep innate expectation of losing… it’s because they can smell the mediocrity all over the building the second they step on company grounds.
Essentially sums up the last 10 years of Giants football. Jackson is not a bad player, but it’s like once guys put on that blue jersey they seem to just sink into the deepest depths of suckitude. And I think the issue is… our guys don’t expect to win. As members of the New York football Giants organization, they don’t have confidence in their teammates, their coaching staff, and eventually not even themselves to win a football game. Hence… a player finds himself in a position to actually make a play that would WIN THE GAME… he’s so shocked that he doesn’t even know what to do with himself. He suddenly forgets everything he knows about the basic act of catching a football, because he’s not out there really believing he can win, he’s out there just hoping against hope to NOT lose.
It’s no coincidence these guys come to the Giants and have a deep innate expectation of losing… it’s because they can smell the mediocrity all over the building the second they step on company grounds.
RE: RE: If you told me in August that Jones was producing at an NFL starter
Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
If he's producing as a starter, it's a lower-half one, as a passer.
I don't think Jones is a franchise guy.
I don't think he's being given a chance to succeed or prove anyone wrong though either.
RE: RE: If you told me in August that Jones was producing at an NFL starter
Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
** Is he really producing **
Boomer Esiason just said Giants are a complete Disaster when
Always has been. Done nothing but criticize them since he got on the radio. He is a Jets homer. I believe he was all on board for Haskins. Guy hates that the town loves Eli and he was a garbage QB with the Jets. Regardless the Giants coaching staff is a dumpster fire.
RE: RE: If you told me in August that Jones was producing at an NFL starter
Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
Jones does not devise scheme the game plan or call the plays. Garrett was bad in Dallas and as usual Mara hires another guy he knows.
No illegal man down field when it’s the Bucs. If your crap team and have a crap coach you don’t get those calls. You get bs calls like the one on McKinney
Always has been. Done nothing but criticize them since he got on the radio. He is a Jets homer. I believe he was all on board for Haskins. Guy hates that the town loves Eli and he was a garbage QB with the Jets. Regardless the Giants coaching staff is a dumpster fire.
I don't care if he is or not, his assessment is spot on.
Listening to the post game from Banks to the reporters they are all
This has always been true for Banks, but you expect that point of view. He's tremendously old school, and that's why so many fans use him to back up their arguments.
They kept him in the pocket today and he didn’t make any mistakes…or really any plays. And this is against a poor defense. One TD is not a good performance by any measure in today’s NFL.
The strength of Jones’ game is not being a pocket passer. He ran a lot of RPO last week and the offense clicked. Kept him in the pocket today and the offense was stagnant.
The Giants need to realize the QB they drafted is much more Lamar Jackson than Eli Manning (style wise).
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
Lol "real QBs like Ryan". Love when posters use the QB of the week as an example. Ridley is so much better than anyone Jones has to throw to. Matter of fact, every skill player on Atlanta is better than the opposing skill positions on the Giants. By all means, prove me wrong on this.
You give one example of Jones' "weapons". Kenny G, who gets the least separation of any WR in the NFL.
This team stinks.
Losing teams make losing plays:
Dropped Interceptions
Dumb penalties
Fumbles
Clueless coaching across the board
Soft pass coverage
Missed tackles
Missed blocks
It all adds up to another losing season.
Giants fans need to stop going to the games. Only message that might get through John Mara’s thick skull to make substantive corrective moves to right this sinking organization.
He generally did what he was asked to do. But the questiion should be “is Jones part of the solution?”
The entire offseason was focused on getting him weapons. Everyone said “well now there are no excuses!” Barkley is back. Golladay is here. Rudolph was brought in.
Today we scored one TD. And now we are hearing that it isn’t Jones’ fault again because he didn’t the ball over. Is that all we are asking him to do?
He got drafted by a dysfunctional organization and now his career is in jeopardy because of it.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
This is likely to happen. But screw this team. New coaches new players.....same crap. I don't care who gets cut, traded, or whatever. I've been a fan since the 50's. But I am truly disgusted with them. I've never said a negative thing about this team on BBI but I am now. I hope every seat in that stadium is empty next week. Mara's have said they need patience well good for them. I've run out of patience. We're now Cincinnati. Barkley? What a terrible pick. All the money they spend up against the cap with no space and we still suck. 100 coaches/teachers on this team? No difference. All with the same suck ass results. They think they are gonna sell this BS to their fans? We'll hear the same BS from the coaches tomorrow about we did a lot of good things a lot of positive things. All BS. Yep gotta watch the tape they say guess with all there 100 coaches on the sidelines they still don't know what happened or what's going on. All these years wasted.
They are not a supremely talented team but you have enough to be 2-1 and win this division imo. Blame the coordinators all you want but this HC is playing not to lose and the team has taken on that personality.
I don't know how anyone watches the game today and thinks that Jones is the problem
I don't know how anyone watches this game and doesn't understand he's *part* of the problem. Jones can't win every game on his own, I think we all know that. However, at some point, the supposed franchise QB has to carry the team to a victory...especially when playing a supposedly weaker opponent. Jones just can't get it done. He's not the answer. Unfortunately, there also many others holes on this team that need to be filled in addition to the QB.
We should be 2-1. He wasn't perfect, but he played more than good enough to earn wins. This is a terrible offense, inadequate oline, lack of strong running backs (why wasn't Booker active today) and a shockingly weak defense. Basically comes down to coaching and continued inability to find and retain oline talent.
Yes he did. If you like average then he is the man. He is an excellent QB for a back-up.
Giants have scored five touchdowns in three games. The Falcons were last in the league in points allowed before today, having given up 80 points in their first two games. We scored 14, and only one TD, against them.
The defense let Atlanta get a TD right before half, and allowed them to score 10 points in the fourth quarter. We didn't stop Patterson, including on the first play of their game winning field goal drive when he took a simple swing pass for 28 yards.
I don't know how anyone watches the game today and thinks that Jones is the problem
I don't know how anyone watches this game and doesn't understand he's *part* of the problem. Jones can't win every game on his own, I think we all know that. However, at some point, the supposed franchise QB has to carry the team to a victory...especially when playing a supposedly weaker opponent. Jones just can't get it done. He's not the answer. Unfortunately, there also many others holes on this team that need to be filled in addition to the QB.
This may be the case and perhaps it is a big factor in Judge’s conservative approach. If that is the case then Judge needs to go into self preservation mode. Play to win. If your QB turns it over or gets hurt find a new one.
Giants have scored five touchdowns in three games. The Falcons were last in the league in points allowed before today, having given up 80 points in their first two games. We scored 14, and only one TD, against them.
The defense let Atlanta get a TD right before half, and allowed them to score 10 points in the fourth quarter. We didn't stop Patterson, including on the first play of their game winning field goal drive when he took a simple swing pass for 28 yards.
He got drafted by a dysfunctional organization and now his career is in jeopardy because of it.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
This is likely to happen. But screw this team. New coaches new players.....same crap. I don't care who gets cut, traded, or whatever. I've been a fan since the 50's. But I am truly disgusted with them. I've never said a negative thing about this team on BBI but I am now. I hope every seat in that stadium is empty next week. Mara's have said they need patience well good for them. I've run out of patience. We're now Cincinnati. Barkley? What a terrible pick. All the money they spend up against the cap with no space and we still suck. 100 coaches/teachers on this team? No difference. All with the same suck ass results. They think they are gonna sell this BS to their fans? We'll hear the same BS from the coaches tomorrow about we did a lot of good things a lot of positive things. All BS. Yep gotta watch the tape they say guess with all there 100 coaches on the sidelines they still don't know what happened or what's going on. All these years wasted.
Well the stadium will definitely be empty next week because they’ll be in New Orleans.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This offense only works when Jones is running
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
Lol "real QBs like Ryan". Love when posters use the QB of the week as an example. Ridley is so much better than anyone Jones has to throw to. Matter of fact, every skill player on Atlanta is better than the opposing skill positions on the Giants. By all means, prove me wrong on this.
You give one example of Jones' "weapons". Kenny G, who gets the least separation of any WR in the NFL.
This team stinks.
I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with the person you are responding to’s point, but I’m pretty sure Matt Ryan isnt just “the QB of the week” and he is certainly a proven “real QB” relative to Jones. Ryan is a former league MVP, 5 time pro bowler, took the Falcons to a super bowl… and yeah maybe he’s on the other side of his prime physically but he’s certainly proved he’s a true franchise QB, while Jones is still in the process of trying to prove that (and the way things are trending it’s looking like he’s going to be holding a clipboard in a different uniform in the next couple years).
RE: RE: RE: RE: This offense only works when Jones is running
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
Lol "real QBs like Ryan". Love when posters use the QB of the week as an example. Ridley is so much better than anyone Jones has to throw to. Matter of fact, every skill player on Atlanta is better than the opposing skill positions on the Giants. By all means, prove me wrong on this.
You give one example of Jones' "weapons". Kenny G, who gets the least separation of any WR in the NFL.
This team stinks.
I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with the person you are responding to’s point, but I’m pretty sure Matt Ryan isnt just “the QB of the week” and he is certainly a proven “real QB” relative to Jones. Ryan is a former league MVP, 5 time pro bowler, took the Falcons to a super bowl… and yeah maybe he’s on the other side of his prime physically but he’s certainly proved he’s a true franchise QB, while Jones is still in the process of trying to prove that (and the way things are trending it’s looking like he’s going to be holding a clipboard in a different uniform in the next couple years).
Jones can’t make quick smart decisions and EXECUTE them
(Sorry in advance for the rant, but fuck I’m frustrated at this point…)
It’s pretty basic. Everyone blames the play calling but the players still are the ones EXECUTING. In other words… he’s not all that great of a player. He’s not awful. But he’s also not all that great. (Are we surprised? He was far from an all American at Duke. And everyone besides Gettleman knew he was a massive reach at #6 in probably the worst draft for QBs in at least the past 5 years.) And in the red zone in particular, where everything becomes more condensed and requires higher level of detail, he’s especially bad. And guess what happens when a team sucks in the red zone? Pretty simple— they LOSE.
Generally speaking— This mess is no single person’s fault, but there are no excuses left for Jones. I don’t even see why anyone would want to so passionately defend him at this point. Like, is that hill really worth dying on? The “Daniel Jones just needs a great o-line, amazing weapons, and an genius offensive mind calling plays and then it’s OVER for the rest of the league!” I just don’t see anything in Jones that would really make me want to fight for the guy so I’m just wondering what it is some of these other posters see who defend him every chance they get.
Think about the reason Jones is our QB right now. It’s because Gettleman said he “sawr a professional Qwattahback at da seen-Ya bowl.” Exact quote. Nothing Jones did at Duke not in the NFL so far would lead us to believe he can be an elite player, but because Gettleman thought he carried himself like an NFL Qwattahback at the seen-Ya bowl, we’ve pinned a half-decade of the hopes of our franchise on him. Does that not sound like the work of a mad man? The game has passed Gettleman so far by that he has nothing else to go by other than random feelings he gets in his gut. It’s like the way baseball scouts 40 years ago used to literally base their scouting reports on things like “he has a good face” because it was perceived that handsomer faces equated to better baseball play. Maybe all of that was fine back when all the scouts on the other teams were doing the same shit, but the game has evolved drastically. It’s like how on the PGA tour no one used to work out or eat right until Tiger did it, and now they all do it because if they go by the old logic they’ll be quickly passed by because they’re fat and inflexible.
Just think about this: If there was a re-draft today of the last 4 drafts (2018-2021) think about how far down Jones would go and how many of the other QBs would be taken before him. Now think about how many of those QBs we COULD HAVE HAD considering we had the #2, #6, #4, #11 picks in those 4 drafts. Thats the one thing Gettleman had to get right, and I think it’s already looking quite likely he got it wrong. Looking at the other 1st round QBs taken AFTER our assigned picks, Getty probably had about a 50/50 shot at getting it right, and he got it wrong. But the inexcusable thing is that he chose 2019 of all years to take a QB (the worst QB year of the 4 which everyone KNEW) and he decided to reach for a guy at #6 (again, everyone KNEW that’s what he was doing, so we shouldn’t be shocked by the results). He deserves more criticism for that fact. It was a gamble and it didn’t pay off- just like basically every other gamble he’s made.
(Sorry in advance for the rant, but fuck I’m frustrated at this point…)
It’s pretty basic. Everyone blames the play calling but the players still are the ones EXECUTING. In other words… he’s not all that great of a player. He’s not awful. But he’s also not all that great. (Are we surprised? He was far from an all American at Duke. And everyone besides Gettleman knew he was a massive reach at #6 in probably the worst draft for QBs in at least the past 5 years.) And in the red zone in particular, where everything becomes more condensed and requires higher level of detail, he’s especially bad. And guess what happens when a team sucks in the red zone? Pretty simple— they LOSE.
Generally speaking— This mess is no single person’s fault, but there are no excuses left for Jones. I don’t even see why anyone would want to so passionately defend him at this point. Like, is that hill really worth dying on? The “Daniel Jones just needs a great o-line, amazing weapons, and an genius offensive mind calling plays and then it’s OVER for the rest of the league!” I just don’t see anything in Jones that would really make me want to fight for the guy so I’m just wondering what it is some of these other posters see who defend him every chance they get.
Think about the reason Jones is our QB right now. It’s because Gettleman said he “sawr a professional Qwattahback at da seen-Ya bowl.” Exact quote. Nothing Jones did at Duke not in the NFL so far would lead us to believe he can be an elite player, but because Gettleman thought he carried himself like an NFL Qwattahback at the seen-Ya bowl, we’ve pinned a half-decade of the hopes of our franchise on him. Does that not sound like the work of a mad man?
The game has passed Gettleman so far by that he has nothing else to go by other than random feelings he gets in his gut. It’s like the way baseball scouts 40 years ago used to literally base their scouting reports on things like “he has a good face” because it was perceived that handsomer faces equated to better baseball play. Maybe all of that was fine back when all the scouts on the other teams were doing the same shit, but the game has evolved drastically. It’s like how on the PGA tour no one used to work out or eat right until Tiger did it, and now they all do it because if they go by the old logic they’ll be quickly passed by because they’re fat and inflexible.
Just think about this: If there was a re-draft today of the last 4 drafts (2018-2021) think about how far down Jones would go and how many of the other QBs would be taken before him. Now think about how many of those QBs we COULD HAVE HAD considering we had the #2, #6, #4, #11 picks in those 4 drafts. Thats the one thing Gettleman had to get right, and I think it’s already looking quite likely he got it wrong. Looking at the other 1st round QBs taken AFTER our assigned picks, Getty probably had about a 50/50 shot at getting it right, and he got it wrong. But the inexcusable thing is that he chose 2019 of all years to take a QB (the worst QB year of the 4 which everyone KNEW) and he decided to reach for a guy at #6 (again, everyone KNEW that’s what he was doing, so we shouldn’t be shocked by the results). He deserves more criticism for that fact. It was a gamble and it didn’t pay off- just like basically every other gamble he’s made.
RE: Jones can’t make quick smart decisions and EXECUTE them
(Sorry in advance for the rant, but fuck I’m frustrated at this point…)
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Generally speaking— This mess is no single person’s fault, but there are no excuses left for Jones. I don’t even see why anyone would want to so passionately defend him at this point. Like, is that hill really worth dying on? The “Daniel Jones just needs a great o-line, amazing weapons, and an genius offensive mind calling plays and then it’s OVER for the rest of the league!” I just don’t see anything in Jones that would really make me want to fight for the guy so I’m just wondering what it is some of these other posters see who defend him every chance they get.
Your self-proclaimed rant is seriously flawed. You say "it's not one person's fault" then you go off on ONE player.
What gets me is that how so many posters can excuse the OL? How many years have some of us bene saying it? Yet think of how many on here wanted an OL vs a WR or vs pass rusher etc. Well, this is what you're going to get when you have a terrible OL unless you have a great QB. Why does the OL get excused by so many of you?
And to further that, you speak of Jones but not Barkley? Did you hear the radio today? Banks was killing SB. SO while you go off on Jones with the 6th pick, what's Barkley been?
I just wonder with all the ranting do posters realize that this team was supposed to suck? Ann posters think we lose our two bets OL from last year, and a 3rd starter but yet everything will be fine with the OL?
DO some posters understand the point Dg made this off-season that he blundered by trying to win a rebuild all at the same time? SO what do you think? Okay now he said it - now that means we are going to win this year?
The kids have activities in the early afternoon so I DVR the game. Driving home I dreaded watching the game. It is horrible. There is little joy in watching this team.
We should be 2-1. He wasn't perfect, but he played more than good enough to earn wins. This is a terrible offense, inadequate oline, lack of strong running backs (why wasn't Booker active today) and a shockingly weak defense. Basically comes down to coaching and continued inability to find and retain oline talent.
Yes he did. If you like average then he is the man. He is an excellent QB for a back-up.
I think so far this is a pretty accurate assessment. Jones is not a bad QB. But he does look much more like a guy that can be a 15 year mercenary backup. One that can bounce from team to team and fill in for 2 or 3 games and not mess everything up waiting for the starter to return. He'll make a nice career and a lot of money for himself doing that.
RE: Well Lions fans have it worse than us, at least for today
welcome to 0-3 and season over in September
I'm 65 and have enjoyed many previous seasons, but now it feels like I won't see a winning team again in my lifetime
eff this organization
Trade Barkley (his contract is one some can absorb). Trade anyone that is in demand..
They looked like a badly coached team with substandard talent. That’s the double whammy.
Atlanta doesn't have much talent, but they don't beat themselves. Our #1 job today was to stop Patterson, and we didn't, especially on that game winning drive by the Falcons.
Tons of mistakes, mental errors, and more bad clock management and coaching. Same as every week. The whole organization is a laughingstock.
coaches who stick around adapt learn change adjust wweek to week
he did nothing him and garret are losers.
At this point, it’s like they get some sadistic pleasure out of it. Just…WHAT THE FUCK!?
just shut the eff up you rah rah dolt
hiring judge set this franchise back 3 years.
Two top 5 picks coming up for Kevin Abrams and Chris Petit to screw up.
Like tonight.
welcome to 0-3 and season over in September
I'm 65 and have enjoyed many previous seasons, but now it feels like I won't see a winning team again in my lifetime
eff this organization
PLEASE don't do that. I'm 77!
So what do we do? Fire all of the coaches just to bring in more bum ass coaches? Fire the GM? Yeah but look who's doing the hiring.
Can't fire the owner.
To get that number 1 pick.
You couldn’t get a 7th for that chump.
Nice
If anyone starts with the excuses, just fuck off.
Really, the excuses are fucking done.
Not the QB’s fault. Defense comes up small at crunch time every time
you can't judge anything thru three games. Daniel Jones is playing better than Zach Wilson.
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lousy play calling, crappy defense
welcome to 0-3 and season over in September
I'm 65 and have enjoyed many previous seasons, but now it feels like I won't see a winning team again in my lifetime
eff this organization
PLEASE don't do that. I'm 77!
sorry River....just how I feel...we're old dogs
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you can't win with mediocrity. Sorry.
Not the QB’s fault. Defense comes up small at crunch time every time
It seems everyone comes up small at crunch time
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you can't win with mediocrity. Sorry.
Not the QB’s fault. Defense comes up small at crunch time every time
We scored one TD against a garbage defense. i think the QB has something to do with lack of production.
As I said over-and-over.
It's the OLINE.
Jones is no ball of fire but the OL needs to be addressed in 2022.
You really think that loss was on Jones?
So in other words every other player/coach is doing their part and Jones is the weak link causing the lack of success?
Wow.
Tom Brady would have had a victory today? I HIGHLY doubt it.
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you can't win with mediocrity. Sorry.
Not the QB’s fault. Defense comes up small at crunch time every time
Dropped snap that killed a drive was the QB’s fault. 14 points…well he’s part of the problem.
Just pathetic. Judge is not it. Undisciplined and poorly coached all around. Disgraceful.
We have the same chance of getting a 1st for Barkley as we do of getting a 1st for Engram
we need a QB that doesn't check down all the time, wait too long in the pocket, and make some nails throws. He doesn't do it. He had enough time to work with today.
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this week and it will Garrett.
Yep
What sacrificial lamb? ... in the press?
Nobody is getting fired this week.
+1
Thank-you.
They disrespected Eli by losing?
Give me a break!
That's not happening. I'd love to be wrong.
Absolutely knew how this was going to end! I turned it off soon after they took the ball.
:-)
;-)
Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke.
When you're comparing your team to the Lions, that says it all.
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Justin Herbert beat KC in KC. Yea Jones is better than him.
Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke.
Yes he is the problem.
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
Is not worth having on the field. He is a net negative.
I'm sure this has been beaten to death, but we were nearly in field goal range, with tons of time heading into the half.
Then Evan Engram, did what Evan Engram does beast....
Yep, Mara logic. Welcome the the 1970's gang! For those of you who weren't alive then, you get the full Mara experience of terrible GM's, piss poor drafting, and lousy coaching. For those of you who've been through this before, just remember "This too, shall pass."
Jones may not have been 'the problem,' but he's not the solution, either. He's NOT a franchise QB. He just isn't.
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you can't win with mediocrity. Sorry.
Not the QB’s fault. Defense comes up small at crunch time every time
We scored one TD against a garbage defense. i think the QB has something to do with lack of production.
Garrett is calling fucking hitch routes all game with a run game that isn't working and bunch of receivers that haven't played with Jones much. How is a QB supposed to succedd when we are running timing routes in that situation. It's a joke. DJ was decent today, pinning the loss on him is a joke. A total joke. When we clean house this year and keep the QB, maybe you'll start to get it.
Saquon looks done as well, if he can't beat people in space what good is he. He's literally just a fast back at this point.
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need people to block for him
we need a QB that doesn't check down all the time, wait too long in the pocket, and make some nails throws. He doesn't do it. He had enough time to work with today.
Bullshit.. You are an idiot. Tons to blame today and DJ isn't one of them..
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you can't win with mediocrity. Sorry.
You really think that loss was on Jones?
So in other words every other player/coach is doing their part and Jones is the weak link causing the lack of success?
Wow.
Tom Brady would have had a victory today? I HIGHLY doubt it.
We always hear this, and yet around the league QBs are lighting up the stat sheet every week. I mean Herbert just dissected the defending AFC champs. Allen dropped 4 tds on the Redskins.Burrow 3tds on the road against the steelers. DJ, 0tds - worst defense in the NFL at home.
Absolutely no way he should get to make any more personnel decisions. His latest trades of Hill for Price and for Bredeson just sum up what has been four years of terrible personnel decisions. He was brought here specifically to fix the OL and it's still a mess.
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need people to block for him
we need a QB that doesn't check down all the time, wait too long in the pocket, and make some nails throws. He doesn't do it. He had enough time to work with today.
Go back and watch the play he fumbled on. There’s no time and there’s literally no one even remotely open. The entire team is a mess and Jones is included in that.
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
Go fuck yourself!
Quite possibly.
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
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Justin Herbert beat KC in KC. Yea Jones is better than him.
Dude DJ is not the problem here. Get over it. We would have had a comfotable win most likely if it weren't for Judge. Should have went for it on 4th down fucking twice and once again he wants to highlight his special teams. Dude's a joke.
+1
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Yep, Mara logic. Welcome the the 1970's gang! For those of you who weren't alive then, you get the full Mara experience of terrible GM's, piss poor drafting, and lousy coaching. For those of you who've been through this before, just remember "This too, shall pass."
As terrible as it is, the schedule sets up so we can finish 5-3 even with this garbage coaching. So we'll win 7 games and say improvement. God damn when does it end.
Lamar Jackson would stink here without Greg Roman.
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- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
Go fuck yourself!
2021: 0-3
Jones as starter: 8-21
With Gettleman as GM and since Barkley pick: 15-36
This will also be another year with no days over .500.
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Fire Gettleman first, then we can talk about acquiring picks.
Otherwise....
+1
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Judge is awful, show me any other coaches in the ENTIRE league that call it the way he does. Not only that, the team looks entirely unprepared, we waste timeouts with no stops to show for it. He's way over his head. If he was in his first year, fine, but he's not anymore. AFter last week you'd think he"d look at the film and adjust. But no, he's probably just screaming about execution when you aren't putting the team in a place where it can suceed. He's a fucking joke at this point.
This. I've criticized Jones plenty before, but this game isn't on him. I thought absent a couple of throws he was really good.
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
If you’re making this all about Daniel Jones, then you’re just a clueless fucking idiot. And I wouldn’t waste my breathe trying to convince anyone he was good today. But the team has nine TRILLION problems and Jones is just one of them. He’s not at the top of the list though.
The Giants always. find. a. way. to. lose. Always.
Hard to dispute that this isn't the fault of John Mara.
Metlife stadium is an absolute pile of shit (and then complained about how expensive it was)
If you're consistently hiring incompetent people.....that means you are the most incompetent of all. And thats real bad new for the NY Football Giants.
Fire everyone, gut the pro personnel and scouting departments, remove nepotism....i'll believe it when i see it.
But that's who the usuals go to for bitching. It's never ending.
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
We already had a qb so we passed on herbert. Alot of people passed on jackson. He is still avg as a passer. They beat the shit lions relax dude...
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+1
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Judge is awful, show me any other coaches in the ENTIRE league that call it the way he does. Not only that, the team looks entirely unprepared, we waste timeouts with no stops to show for it. He's way over his head. If he was in his first year, fine, but he's not anymore. AFter last week you'd think he"d look at the film and adjust. But no, he's probably just screaming about execution when you aren't putting the team in a place where it can suceed. He's a fucking joke at this point.
I don't think there is a coach alive that could've survived the performance of the interior OL today. That was the worst game I've seen from a trio of OL I've ever seen. They stunk up the field and just killed far too many drives.
Personnel wise it's just a disaster. We've been gifted high picks year over year and spent more on outside free agency (because we have had nobody on our own roster to resign) than any organization. No real understanding of positional value and just living in the past.
I have no idea what the answer is at this juncture in the season...probably because there isn't one.
Barkley is his usual soft player
Engram is well worthless
But this team has NOT 1 player from a winning culture
even the FA pickups (except Martinez) who is used to winning and knows how to win in the NFL.
And that is the toughest challenge to change the culture.
This team doesnt know how to win.
Why the hell are we even talking about him right now? There's like 20 other reasons we lost today, but once again the QB wins the QB loses nonsense.
100 percent of the attention should be on Garrett and Judge right now and I don't know why it isn't. Fuck John Mara, I hope the fans boo this team for the rest of the year.
The real problem today was the O-Line. Gates injury was huge. Depth is lousy
Personnel wise it's just a disaster. We've been gifted high picks year over year and spent more on outside free agency (because we have had nobody on our own roster to resign) than any organization. No real understanding of positional value and just living in the past.
I have no idea what the answer is at this juncture in the season...probably because there isn't one.
I seriously don't think personnel is the issue here, with actually NFL level replacement coaching, this team is most likely 2-1. Why the hell didn't the reporters grill Judge on that shit last week?
they will have to take 2-3 rungs down the ladder jobs.
This team is inept.
But here we are.
But that's who the usuals go to for bitching. It's never ending.
If you know absolutely nothing about football and your team is losing...it's easiest to blame the QB. Look at Jets fans. They ran Darnold out of town and he's 3-0
The dancing behind the line is getting old. You turn a 2 yard gain into a 4 yard loss.
I never thought I would hear myself saying it but I agree. Engram has been a net negative too long now. Even if he comes back to his first year production it wouldn't validate a new contract next near, and certainly not a starting position.
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Tucker just bounced a 66 yard FG off the crossbar and through as time expired.
When you're comparing your team to the Lions, that says it all.
Wasn’t Tucker it was the guy that was on our team this year Ryan Santoso.
Barkley looks like a shadow of himself. He has forgot how to use his blockers.
He's the 6th pick in the draft and, at best, he's a game manager plus.
I've been thinking about something Terps mentions about Jones and it really crystalized with me today - Jones's wind-up is too long. And that's because that's only way he can get juice on the ball. He's just not a natural thrower of the ball to scare defenses.
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore? This isn’t Madden. It’s not plug and play.
he has actual coaches not fossils.
Barkley looks like a shadow of himself. He has forgot how to use his blockers.
Barkley is his usual soft player
Engram is well worthless
Engram should be cut from the team right after he showers. Matchup nightmare. GTFO.
Get a lead on a TD drive and 2 pts? Give it immediately back.
Need a stop at end if game? They’re in FG range in 2 plays.
It’s now a trend. The D was supposed to be a strength. It’s a weakness. Azeez made his 1 play. 99 made his 1. Carter? Ximenez? Anyone? The DBs play off, and don’t make plays. It’s just predictable as hell when we need a stop it’s not going to happen.
O is where it is because we can’t win the LOS. If you don’t control the line, you can’t do anything consistently.
Well, that guy did die. Probably not the best judge of character.
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- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Did you really think the Giants were going to draft a QB in 2020 after taking Jones in 2019?
Forget about Herbert this 1 week how about the other QBs drafted in 2020 (1st round) since that is the year you want to compare Jones to - how did they do this week?
Your 2020 hindsight is amazing - especially when you pick selective (that support your argument) comparisons.
I replied that I don't expect they will be aggressive at all. They will play old school. Eat clock and try to get in field goal position. The will fail and will punt on fourth down and Atl will win on last second field goal. Judge is soooo predictable. He's coaching like its the playoffs and he has a good team. This team sucks, and they will need to be aggressive and take chances in order to win.
Giants are such dinosaurs. Emphasis on field position and special teams. And they even suck at that. Get rid of all the special teams specialists (Ebner, Board, etc). Less punting. More 4th down attempts.
Our roster isn't great, but we do have enough talent that we should not consistently lose to bad teams. KT looked good in first half. At halftime, they should have emphasized getting him the ball. Instead, he disappeared in the second half.
I'm starting to hope they go 0-17 so that they will have to can DG and JJ. If they win a few meaningless games late in season, ownership will point to it as improvement and not make drastic changes. JJ may be the worst head coach in the NFL. He should be gone tomorrow, but will no doubt survive the season.
Ownership doesn't seem too upset that the Giants absolutely suck and are an embarrassment to their fans.
If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore?
We have a guy who is probably in the top 3 in the league when it comes to his running ability for a QB and this OC refuses to use it to our advantage. When we dont call RPO's, we help the opponent.
This team is going to fall apart and its going to get real Ugly
I just don’t give a fuck anymore. Gave all the hope I have and don’t have any more. I’ll always want the Giants to win of course but for the first time in a September that I can remember, I’m checking out on a Giants season.
Should have gone apple picking with the rest of the family today.
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Tucker just bounced a 66 yard FG off the crossbar and through as time expired.
When you're comparing your team to the Lions, that says it all.
Wasn’t Tucker it was the guy that was on our team this year Ryan Santoso.
It was Tucker. He hit the game winner for the Ravens. Santoso plays for the Lions
He's the 6th pick in the draft and, at best, he's a game manager plus.
I've been thinking about something Terps mentions about Jones and it really crystalized with me today - Jones's wind-up is too long. And that's because that's only way he can get juice on the ball. He's just not a natural thrower of the ball to scare defenses.
I disagree to a certain extent. He’s only unquestionably good at two things and they barely did either one today… QB runs and deep throws. The offense MUST be designed around whatever strengths he has. Instead, Kenny Golladay runs curls and slants all day and 99% of Barkley’s carries are directly up the gut behind several of the worst offensive linemen in the sport.
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- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Did you really think the Giants were going to draft a QB in 2020 after taking Jones in 2019?
Forget about Herbert this 1 week how about the other QBs drafted in 2020 (1st round) since that is the year you want to compare Jones to - how did they do this week?
Your 2020 hindsight is amazing - especially when you pick selective (that support your argument) comparisons.
i have an answer for you but i don't want to be accused of piling on. I know a lot of people are hurting today. I don't think anybody should be safe including the QB of this 0-3 team.
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+1
Not sure if all the blame can be laid at the feet of Judge either (I could be wrong) but, there is no way in hell Jones is the sole reason (like some would have you think) why we lost today.
Judge is awful, show me any other coaches in the ENTIRE league that call it the way he does. Not only that, the team looks entirely unprepared, we waste timeouts with no stops to show for it. He's way over his head. If he was in his first year, fine, but he's not anymore. AFter last week you'd think he"d look at the film and adjust. But no, he's probably just screaming about execution when you aren't putting the team in a place where it can suceed. He's a fucking joke at this point.
Zeke - I am not defending Judge. Last week I question why everyone thought Gettleman would be the first to go and not Judge - "We still might need another HC"
I am just not sure how anyone can say we lost because of Jones ... and Producer seems to think he is the root of all the Giant's evils.
Pfffttt
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Judge is one of the worst game managers in the league. Hands out timeouts like candy and just too conservative on 4th down. Garrett is just awful, kind of knew he would backslide into old tendencies and it happened. Just stopped using Jones' legs and just ran his pass catchers to the sticks. His offensive philosophy and Judge's conservative decision making is such a bad combo in today's slot machine scoring environment.
Personnel wise it's just a disaster. We've been gifted high picks year over year and spent more on outside free agency (because we have had nobody on our own roster to resign) than any organization. No real understanding of positional value and just living in the past.
I have no idea what the answer is at this juncture in the season...probably because there isn't one.
I seriously don't think personnel is the issue here, with actually NFL level replacement coaching, this team is most likely 2-1. Why the hell didn't the reporters grill Judge on that shit last week?
With average coaching this team is 1-2 or 2-1 against a somewhat easy start to the schedule, However the Giants have had such an advantage over the rest the league for so many years on the personnel side and we're probably being generous calling the talent average. High draft picks every single year and for all of Mara's faults, he does spend. It's a total organizational failure for this team to be 0-3 against an average to easy schedule at this juncture. It's top to bottom.
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- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
Go fuck yourself!
2021: 0-3
Jones as starter: 8-21
With Gettleman as GM and since Barkley pick: 15-36
This will also be another year with no days over .500.
👍 as stated Jones as starter 8-21.... Quote by Bill Parcells: “you are what your record says you are”
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If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore?
We have a guy who is probably in the top 3 in the league when it comes to his running ability for a QB and this OC refuses to use it to our advantage. When we dont call RPO's, we help the opponent.
Exactly! I couldn't believe it. Especially with the season on the line, too. With all the shame of losing, he still insisted on making Jones purely a pocket passer.
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- Lamar Jackson converts a 4th and 19 leasing to the ridiculous 66 yard field goal
- Justin Herbert makes huge throws to get win in Kansas City
We passed on both guys.
I wonder what Jones's PFF rating will be this week. And how about that Barkley today, right?
They're deaf to reality out there. they think as long as Jones doesn't throw 3 picks he's not the problem. They don't expect the QB to make big plays. They don't see he still holds too long, he's inaccurate on too many makeable plays, and he can't throw any winners unless the WR is totally wide open. Somebody had the nerve to say Brady wouldn't have won this game. brady would have won this game 31-14
Did you really think the Giants were going to draft a QB in 2020 after taking Jones in 2019?
Forget about Herbert this 1 week how about the other QBs drafted in 2020 (1st round) since that is the year you want to compare Jones to - how did they do this week?
Your 2020 hindsight is amazing - especially when you pick selective (that support your argument) comparisons.
i have an answer for you but i don't want to be accused of piling on. I know a lot of people are hurting today. I don't think anybody should be safe including the QB of this 0-3 team.
Okay - I can agree with this last statement. I apologize if I read your previous statements wrong. It just seemed like you were blaming 1 guy for our 0-3 start. I agree there is plenty of blame to be spread around - if that is what you are saying?
Yes, sometimes the oline gives him enough time. Sometimes they do block well. But the play design and the play calling doesn't reflect the reality of where they are likely to perform well and where they are not.
However even with a good offense, if you have players that don't know how to line up, go offsides, fumble or tip away the ball, don't make the catches they are supposed to make, don't run into the holes they are supposed to decisively hit, that good offense is going to look bad and our poor offensive system looks horrible. Bad coaching and preparation all around.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
Yes, sometimes the oline gives him enough time. Sometimes they do block well. But the play design and the play calling doesn't reflect the reality of where they are likely to perform well and where they are not.
However even with a good offense, if you have players that don't know how to line up, go offsides, fumble or tip away the ball, don't make the catches they are supposed to make, don't run into the holes they are supposed to decisively hit, that good offense is going to look bad and our poor offensive system looks horrible. Bad coaching and preparation all around.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
If Judge had any balls he would demote Garrett immediately but more than likely he’s been pressured by the ones who’s truly responsible for all of this to keep him there for the rest of the season for better or worse.
At least Jones can make plays with his legs.
This is coaching/management incompetence. There are talented pieces on this team, it is just being mismanaged
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If the Giants had drafted Lamar Jackson, do you really have faith they would have used him as he is being used in Baltimore?
We have a guy who is probably in the top 3 in the league when it comes to his running ability for a QB and this OC refuses to use it to our advantage. When we dont call RPO's, we help the opponent.
The biggest disappointment in this game if you ask me. Did they not watch how effective the RPO was last week? They should be running that like crazy every week. Baffling to say the least.
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and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
he was ok at best. He doesn’t get the ball in the hands of his playmakers- Jax castoff Johnson led the team in target, not his multi million dollar receiver, he doesn’t get it done in the red zone and he fumbled again today. Contrast Ryan who gave Ridley 11 targets even though he was a marked man.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
bingo
The absolute worst TE mix
Non existent running gamer except QB
I m becoming ok with jones
Wrs reasonably good
Great pk!
Pathetic pass rush from base front
Incredibly soft middle coverage
Inability to make a big d play
Terrible coaching from the top
Pathetic personnel management
Relic ownership
Disgraceful
He's the 6th pick in the draft and, at best, he's a game manager plus.
I've been thinking about something Terps mentions about Jones and it really crystalized with me today - Jones's wind-up is too long. And that's because that's only way he can get juice on the ball. He's just not a natural thrower of the ball to scare defenses.
You and Terps dreamily staring at each other over a plate of spaghetti...
You need an offense that can score 40+ on a random week to win.
It's principle and lesson that most if not all of their proteges have never grasped.
I suspect Judge's inability to adjust to that change, is why the offense struggles so much. He coaches conservative and expects to run it 30+ times and win games the old-fashioned way. No team, no player in such a handcuffed system is gonna flourish.
Jones will be a casualty here and move to his fate on another team, so will Barkley. So be it
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you can't judge anything thru three games. Daniel Jones is playing better than Zach Wilson.
He's got two more seasons under his belt than Wilson....Let's compare apples to apples : )
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and your immature desire to be right. This is not on Jones, it's the defense, the coaching and now the injuries are kicking in. Jones is really showing signs of life and played well again today. Use your eyes and brains and just give it up. Why is being right so Fing important to you clowns.
he was ok at best. He doesn’t get the ball in the hands of his playmakers- Jax castoff Johnson led the team in target, not his multi million dollar receiver, he doesn’t get it done in the red zone and he fumbled again today. Contrast Ryan who gave Ridley 11 targets even though he was a marked man.
The qb’s job is to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers and put points on the board. Having another blahtastic game against a putrid defense doesn’t cut it. You want to escape the 70’s! Stop falling in love with mediocre players. Jones is mediocre.
So you wanted him to just force feed the ball to who, I'm guessing you must mean Kenny Golladay who is hurt and had to miss an entire series today. Maybe you throw to the guys that are open. Ridley's 11 targets resulted in 61 yards today. That would invite the "Jones YPA just isn't good enough" crowd who are always waiting to bring that out of the bag of tricks.
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you can't judge anything thru three games. Daniel Jones is playing better than Zach Wilson.
He's got two more seasons under his belt than Wilson....Let's compare apples to apples : )
the only way to compare apples to apples is if they played on the same team with the same coaches, weapons and opponents.
I replied that I don't expect they will be aggressive at all. They will play old school. Eat clock and try to get in field goal position. The will fail and will punt on fourth down and Atl will win on last second field goal. Judge is soooo predictable. He's coaching like its the playoffs and he has a good team. This team sucks, and they will need to be aggressive and take chances in order to win.
Giants are such dinosaurs. Emphasis on field position and special teams. And they even suck at that. Get rid of all the special teams specialists (Ebner, Board, etc). Less punting. More 4th down attempts.
Our roster isn't great, but we do have enough talent that we should not consistently lose to bad teams. KT looked good in first half. At halftime, they should have emphasized getting him the ball. Instead, he disappeared in the second half.
I'm starting to hope they go 0-17 so that they will have to can DG and JJ. If they win a few meaningless games late in season, ownership will point to it as improvement and not make drastic changes. JJ may be the worst head coach in the NFL. He should be gone tomorrow, but will no doubt survive the season.
Ownership doesn't seem too upset that the Giants absolutely suck and are an embarrassment to their fans.
This is why I've soured on Judge.
He's shown that he doesn't have the attention to detail he claimed he had, he's not disciplined, he coaches more scared than Shurmur did, and the most important thing, as you pointed out, our special teams still suck.
If our special teams looked better or at least we showed more discipline on the field, I'd think Judge at least was doing his job. But really, what's he bring us? My father insists Garrett may as well be the head coach.
If Judge had any balls he would demote Garrett immediately but more than likely he’s been pressured by the ones who’s truly responsible for all of this to keep him there for the rest of the season for better or worse.
Well, every year we find a new scapegoat but Chris Mara still presides over the personnel. How's that personnel looking?
Add to that 2 starting wrs lost due to injuries.
Marginally talented teams cannot overcome these types of injuries.
And, they lost 2 starting wrs today. This is marginally talented team - just not good enough to overcome stuff like that.
One of the worst things for a player is to see your HC scared to win. Sorry but that is where this is and it will be exceptionally difficult to get the players back.
Mara got booed today. So that will be hopefully a wake up call to I think fans have really had enough and I think he may have seen the clear message today.
Let's see if this HC has the NY fight and balls to turn this team around. If not, clean house including all Mara's from the front office.
The strength of Jones’ game is not being a pocket passer. He ran a lot of RPO last week and the offense clicked. Kept him in the pocket today and the offense was stagnant.
The Giants need to realize the QB they drafted is much more Lamar Jackson than Eli Manning (style wise).
I mean I am up to a convo over this. Generally curious, maybe I missed something.
I mean I am up to a convo over this. Generally curious, maybe I missed something.
The 1970’s are truly back.
The strength of Jones’ game is not being a pocket passer. He ran a lot of RPO last week and the offense clicked. Kept him in the pocket today and the offense was stagnant.
The Giants need to realize the QB they drafted is much more Lamar Jackson than Eli Manning (style wise).
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
So…maybe don’t pick him then? A third round pick isn’t exactly UDFA.
One of the worst things for a player is to see your HC scared to win. Sorry but that is where this is and it will be exceptionally difficult to get the players back.
Mara got booed today. So that will be hopefully a wake up call to I think fans have really had enough and I think he may have seen the clear message today.
Let's see if this HC has the NY fight and balls to turn this team around. If not, clean house including all Mara's from the front office.
Nepotism needs to stop... It's terrible. Todays day an age I can see players speaking up on twitter about it. It's normally a problem at a place of work, why wouldn't it be a problem in the NFL. You're not hiring the best, your giving a brother/cousin work because its a family business...
Plus you're charing PSL's which is offensive to the owners of those seats when you're playing like shit for 7+ years.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
It’s no coincidence these guys come to the Giants and have a deep innate expectation of losing… it’s because they can smell the mediocrity all over the building the second they step on company grounds.
It’s no coincidence these guys come to the Giants and have a deep innate expectation of losing… it’s because they can smell the mediocrity all over the building the second they step on company grounds.
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Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
If he's producing as a starter, it's a lower-half one, as a passer.
I don't think Jones is a franchise guy.
I don't think he's being given a chance to succeed or prove anyone wrong though either.
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Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
** Is he really producing **
Yes all the snaps, its just that he sucks.
And believe it or not, 2-3 wins is in play. I don’t see how they do better than that.
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Level And we were 0-3 I would have thought you were high.
But here we are.
But I’d he really producing? He has 2 TD passes through 3 games. What’s he gonna finish with this year? 19-20? If the bar for “playing well” is captain checkdown, this franchise is fucked. Jones is a losing player who will never be a difference maker.
Jones does not devise scheme the game plan or call the plays. Garrett was bad in Dallas and as usual Mara hires another guy he knows.
I don't care if he is or not, his assessment is spot on.
He's right.
This has always been true for Banks, but you expect that point of view. He's tremendously old school, and that's why so many fans use him to back up their arguments.
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They kept him in the pocket today and he didn’t make any mistakes…or really any plays. And this is against a poor defense. One TD is not a good performance by any measure in today’s NFL.
The strength of Jones’ game is not being a pocket passer. He ran a lot of RPO last week and the offense clicked. Kept him in the pocket today and the offense was stagnant.
The Giants need to realize the QB they drafted is much more Lamar Jackson than Eli Manning (style wise).
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
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Just determined to be contrarian.....
Can't detect sarcasm, huh?
Yep, they are right up there with the Lions now.
2018 Giants 0-2 to 1-7
2019 Giants 0-2 to 2-11
2020 Giants 0-5 to 1-7
2021 Giants 0-3...
The dancing behind the line is getting old. You turn a 2 yard gain into a 4 yard loss.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
Lol "real QBs like Ryan". Love when posters use the QB of the week as an example. Ridley is so much better than anyone Jones has to throw to. Matter of fact, every skill player on Atlanta is better than the opposing skill positions on the Giants. By all means, prove me wrong on this.
You give one example of Jones' "weapons". Kenny G, who gets the least separation of any WR in the NFL.
This team stinks.
To dislike.
Intensely.
To dislike.
Intensely.
The modern nfl is offense and pass rush - the gmen neglect the o line and load up on secondary
The modern nfl is offense and pass rush - the gmen neglect the o line and load up on secondary
The modern nfl is offense and pass rush - the gmen neglect the o line and load up on secondary
Dropped Interceptions
Dumb penalties
Fumbles
Clueless coaching across the board
Soft pass coverage
Missed tackles
Missed blocks
It all adds up to another losing season.
Giants fans need to stop going to the games. Only message that might get through John Mara’s thick skull to make substantive corrective moves to right this sinking organization.
The entire offseason was focused on getting him weapons. Everyone said “well now there are no excuses!” Barkley is back. Golladay is here. Rudolph was brought in.
Today we scored one TD. And now we are hearing that it isn’t Jones’ fault again because he didn’t the ball over. Is that all we are asking him to do?
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Just determined to be contrarian.....
Can't detect sarcasm, huh?
It's not that he's the problem, but he's not the solution.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
This is likely to happen. But screw this team. New coaches new players.....same crap. I don't care who gets cut, traded, or whatever. I've been a fan since the 50's. But I am truly disgusted with them. I've never said a negative thing about this team on BBI but I am now. I hope every seat in that stadium is empty next week. Mara's have said they need patience well good for them. I've run out of patience. We're now Cincinnati. Barkley? What a terrible pick. All the money they spend up against the cap with no space and we still suck. 100 coaches/teachers on this team? No difference. All with the same suck ass results. They think they are gonna sell this BS to their fans? We'll hear the same BS from the coaches tomorrow about we did a lot of good things a lot of positive things. All BS. Yep gotta watch the tape they say guess with all there 100 coaches on the sidelines they still don't know what happened or what's going on. All these years wasted.
I know for a fact Jones isn’t helping this team win. And you know this too.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
Jones has NEVER been a winner. He didn't win at Duke and he hasn't won in the NFL. Make excuses if anyone likes, but thems the facts.
They are not a supremely talented team but you have enough to be 2-1 and win this division imo. Blame the coordinators all you want but this HC is playing not to lose and the team has taken on that personality.
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He got drafted by a dysfunctional organization and now his career is in jeopardy because of it.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
Jones has NEVER been a winner. He didn't win at Duke and he hasn't won in the NFL. Make excuses if anyone likes, but thems the facts.
Good maybe we can get a 6th rounder for him?
I don't know how anyone watches this game and doesn't understand he's *part* of the problem. Jones can't win every game on his own, I think we all know that. However, at some point, the supposed franchise QB has to carry the team to a victory...especially when playing a supposedly weaker opponent. Jones just can't get it done. He's not the answer. Unfortunately, there also many others holes on this team that need to be filled in addition to the QB.
Yes he did. If you like average then he is the man. He is an excellent QB for a back-up.
The defense let Atlanta get a TD right before half, and allowed them to score 10 points in the fourth quarter. We didn't stop Patterson, including on the first play of their game winning field goal drive when he took a simple swing pass for 28 yards.
Everybody gets healthy against us.
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I don't know how anyone watches the game today and thinks that Jones is the problem
I don't know how anyone watches this game and doesn't understand he's *part* of the problem. Jones can't win every game on his own, I think we all know that. However, at some point, the supposed franchise QB has to carry the team to a victory...especially when playing a supposedly weaker opponent. Jones just can't get it done. He's not the answer. Unfortunately, there also many others holes on this team that need to be filled in addition to the QB.
This may be the case and perhaps it is a big factor in Judge’s conservative approach. If that is the case then Judge needs to go into self preservation mode. Play to win. If your QB turns it over or gets hurt find a new one.
The defense let Atlanta get a TD right before half, and allowed them to score 10 points in the fourth quarter. We didn't stop Patterson, including on the first play of their game winning field goal drive when he took a simple swing pass for 28 yards.
Everybody gets healthy against us.
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He got drafted by a dysfunctional organization and now his career is in jeopardy because of it.
Maybe he will flourish on his second team.
This is likely to happen. But screw this team. New coaches new players.....same crap. I don't care who gets cut, traded, or whatever. I've been a fan since the 50's. But I am truly disgusted with them. I've never said a negative thing about this team on BBI but I am now. I hope every seat in that stadium is empty next week. Mara's have said they need patience well good for them. I've run out of patience. We're now Cincinnati. Barkley? What a terrible pick. All the money they spend up against the cap with no space and we still suck. 100 coaches/teachers on this team? No difference. All with the same suck ass results. They think they are gonna sell this BS to their fans? We'll hear the same BS from the coaches tomorrow about we did a lot of good things a lot of positive things. All BS. Yep gotta watch the tape they say guess with all there 100 coaches on the sidelines they still don't know what happened or what's going on. All these years wasted.
Well the stadium will definitely be empty next week because they’ll be in New Orleans.
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He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
Lol "real QBs like Ryan". Love when posters use the QB of the week as an example. Ridley is so much better than anyone Jones has to throw to. Matter of fact, every skill player on Atlanta is better than the opposing skill positions on the Giants. By all means, prove me wrong on this.
You give one example of Jones' "weapons". Kenny G, who gets the least separation of any WR in the NFL.
This team stinks.
I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with the person you are responding to’s point, but I’m pretty sure Matt Ryan isnt just “the QB of the week” and he is certainly a proven “real QB” relative to Jones. Ryan is a former league MVP, 5 time pro bowler, took the Falcons to a super bowl… and yeah maybe he’s on the other side of his prime physically but he’s certainly proved he’s a true franchise QB, while Jones is still in the process of trying to prove that (and the way things are trending it’s looking like he’s going to be holding a clipboard in a different uniform in the next couple years).
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He also had CJ Board, Collin Johnson and KT at Wr most of the game.. Jones did enough to win but you have shitty game plans with no adjustments, scared play calling and a RB who just dances way way too much. Judge lost me today- it was obvious when needed, this defense would fold.
and Jones is throwing to them instead of going elsewhere with the ball. Johnson had more targets than anyone today and Board was the one sent deep. Atlanta happily let Jones throw to them since neither is a threat. In the meantime, Galloway was ignored for long stretches of the game. Meanwhile, real qb’s like Ryan went to Ridley 11 times. Mayfield targeted Beckham 9 times.
Don’t complain about Jones’ lack of “weapons” when he refuses to use the ones at hand.
Lol "real QBs like Ryan". Love when posters use the QB of the week as an example. Ridley is so much better than anyone Jones has to throw to. Matter of fact, every skill player on Atlanta is better than the opposing skill positions on the Giants. By all means, prove me wrong on this.
You give one example of Jones' "weapons". Kenny G, who gets the least separation of any WR in the NFL.
This team stinks.
I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with the person you are responding to’s point, but I’m pretty sure Matt Ryan isnt just “the QB of the week” and he is certainly a proven “real QB” relative to Jones. Ryan is a former league MVP, 5 time pro bowler, took the Falcons to a super bowl… and yeah maybe he’s on the other side of his prime physically but he’s certainly proved he’s a true franchise QB, while Jones is still in the process of trying to prove that (and the way things are trending it’s looking like he’s going to be holding a clipboard in a different uniform in the next couple years).
It’s pretty basic. Everyone blames the play calling but the players still are the ones EXECUTING. In other words… he’s not all that great of a player. He’s not awful. But he’s also not all that great. (Are we surprised? He was far from an all American at Duke. And everyone besides Gettleman knew he was a massive reach at #6 in probably the worst draft for QBs in at least the past 5 years.) And in the red zone in particular, where everything becomes more condensed and requires higher level of detail, he’s especially bad. And guess what happens when a team sucks in the red zone? Pretty simple— they LOSE.
Generally speaking— This mess is no single person’s fault, but there are no excuses left for Jones. I don’t even see why anyone would want to so passionately defend him at this point. Like, is that hill really worth dying on? The “Daniel Jones just needs a great o-line, amazing weapons, and an genius offensive mind calling plays and then it’s OVER for the rest of the league!” I just don’t see anything in Jones that would really make me want to fight for the guy so I’m just wondering what it is some of these other posters see who defend him every chance they get.
Think about the reason Jones is our QB right now. It’s because Gettleman said he “sawr a professional Qwattahback at da seen-Ya bowl.” Exact quote. Nothing Jones did at Duke not in the NFL so far would lead us to believe he can be an elite player, but because Gettleman thought he carried himself like an NFL Qwattahback at the seen-Ya bowl, we’ve pinned a half-decade of the hopes of our franchise on him. Does that not sound like the work of a mad man? The game has passed Gettleman so far by that he has nothing else to go by other than random feelings he gets in his gut. It’s like the way baseball scouts 40 years ago used to literally base their scouting reports on things like “he has a good face” because it was perceived that handsomer faces equated to better baseball play. Maybe all of that was fine back when all the scouts on the other teams were doing the same shit, but the game has evolved drastically. It’s like how on the PGA tour no one used to work out or eat right until Tiger did it, and now they all do it because if they go by the old logic they’ll be quickly passed by because they’re fat and inflexible.
Just think about this: If there was a re-draft today of the last 4 drafts (2018-2021) think about how far down Jones would go and how many of the other QBs would be taken before him. Now think about how many of those QBs we COULD HAVE HAD considering we had the #2, #6, #4, #11 picks in those 4 drafts. Thats the one thing Gettleman had to get right, and I think it’s already looking quite likely he got it wrong. Looking at the other 1st round QBs taken AFTER our assigned picks, Getty probably had about a 50/50 shot at getting it right, and he got it wrong. But the inexcusable thing is that he chose 2019 of all years to take a QB (the worst QB year of the 4 which everyone KNEW) and he decided to reach for a guy at #6 (again, everyone KNEW that’s what he was doing, so we shouldn’t be shocked by the results). He deserves more criticism for that fact. It was a gamble and it didn’t pay off- just like basically every other gamble he’s made.
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I know for a fact Jones isn’t helping this team win. And you know this too.
I know for a fact that no one on the team has helped this team win. And YOU know this too.
It’s pretty basic. Everyone blames the play calling but the players still are the ones EXECUTING. In other words… he’s not all that great of a player. He’s not awful. But he’s also not all that great. (Are we surprised? He was far from an all American at Duke. And everyone besides Gettleman knew he was a massive reach at #6 in probably the worst draft for QBs in at least the past 5 years.) And in the red zone in particular, where everything becomes more condensed and requires higher level of detail, he’s especially bad. And guess what happens when a team sucks in the red zone? Pretty simple— they LOSE.
Generally speaking— This mess is no single person’s fault, but there are no excuses left for Jones. I don’t even see why anyone would want to so passionately defend him at this point. Like, is that hill really worth dying on? The “Daniel Jones just needs a great o-line, amazing weapons, and an genius offensive mind calling plays and then it’s OVER for the rest of the league!” I just don’t see anything in Jones that would really make me want to fight for the guy so I’m just wondering what it is some of these other posters see who defend him every chance they get.
Think about the reason Jones is our QB right now. It’s because Gettleman said he “sawr a professional Qwattahback at da seen-Ya bowl.” Exact quote. Nothing Jones did at Duke not in the NFL so far would lead us to believe he can be an elite player, but because Gettleman thought he carried himself like an NFL Qwattahback at the seen-Ya bowl, we’ve pinned a half-decade of the hopes of our franchise on him. Does that not sound like the work of a mad man?
The game has passed Gettleman so far by that he has nothing else to go by other than random feelings he gets in his gut. It’s like the way baseball scouts 40 years ago used to literally base their scouting reports on things like “he has a good face” because it was perceived that handsomer faces equated to better baseball play. Maybe all of that was fine back when all the scouts on the other teams were doing the same shit, but the game has evolved drastically. It’s like how on the PGA tour no one used to work out or eat right until Tiger did it, and now they all do it because if they go by the old logic they’ll be quickly passed by because they’re fat and inflexible.
Just think about this: If there was a re-draft today of the last 4 drafts (2018-2021) think about how far down Jones would go and how many of the other QBs would be taken before him. Now think about how many of those QBs we COULD HAVE HAD considering we had the #2, #6, #4, #11 picks in those 4 drafts. Thats the one thing Gettleman had to get right, and I think it’s already looking quite likely he got it wrong. Looking at the other 1st round QBs taken AFTER our assigned picks, Getty probably had about a 50/50 shot at getting it right, and he got it wrong. But the inexcusable thing is that he chose 2019 of all years to take a QB (the worst QB year of the 4 which everyone KNEW) and he decided to reach for a guy at #6 (again, everyone KNEW that’s what he was doing, so we shouldn’t be shocked by the results). He deserves more criticism for that fact. It was a gamble and it didn’t pay off- just like basically every other gamble he’s made.
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Generally speaking— This mess is no single person’s fault, but there are no excuses left for Jones. I don’t even see why anyone would want to so passionately defend him at this point. Like, is that hill really worth dying on? The “Daniel Jones just needs a great o-line, amazing weapons, and an genius offensive mind calling plays and then it’s OVER for the rest of the league!” I just don’t see anything in Jones that would really make me want to fight for the guy so I’m just wondering what it is some of these other posters see who defend him every chance they get.
Your self-proclaimed rant is seriously flawed. You say "it's not one person's fault" then you go off on ONE player.
What gets me is that how so many posters can excuse the OL? How many years have some of us bene saying it? Yet think of how many on here wanted an OL vs a WR or vs pass rusher etc. Well, this is what you're going to get when you have a terrible OL unless you have a great QB. Why does the OL get excused by so many of you?
And to further that, you speak of Jones but not Barkley? Did you hear the radio today? Banks was killing SB. SO while you go off on Jones with the 6th pick, what's Barkley been?
I just wonder with all the ranting do posters realize that this team was supposed to suck? Ann posters think we lose our two bets OL from last year, and a 3rd starter but yet everything will be fine with the OL?
DO some posters understand the point Dg made this off-season that he blundered by trying to win a rebuild all at the same time? SO what do you think? Okay now he said it - now that means we are going to win this year?
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We should be 2-1. He wasn't perfect, but he played more than good enough to earn wins. This is a terrible offense, inadequate oline, lack of strong running backs (why wasn't Booker active today) and a shockingly weak defense. Basically comes down to coaching and continued inability to find and retain oline talent.
Yes he did. If you like average then he is the man. He is an excellent QB for a back-up.
I think so far this is a pretty accurate assessment. Jones is not a bad QB. But he does look much more like a guy that can be a 15 year mercenary backup. One that can bounce from team to team and fill in for 2 or 3 games and not mess everything up waiting for the starter to return. He'll make a nice career and a lot of money for himself doing that.
I don’t know, at least the Lions D kept Tucker at 66 yards…. And the Ravens actually have a quasi-functional offense. This was the Falcons.