But lowering expectations for him isn't helping. The only play I felt like only he could make was the jump into the endzone. Great jump. Other than that...any RB makes most of the plays he made. We should expect more, right?
but a truly awful pick at #2 overall. It’s crazy how defensive and angry many people got here when it was suggested that taking this RB at #2 wasn’t a good idea.
Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss
but a truly awful pick at #2 overall. It’s crazy how defensive and angry many people got here when it was suggested that taking this RB at #2 wasn’t a good idea.
Simple and true. In fact, indisputable at this point.
RE: Worst play of the game by him was that last screen pass.
He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.
Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.
He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.
Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.
Saw the same. Don't know how the hell he gets tackled there.
He'd look awesome on a better team. Not sure what some of you expect a running back to do on a backwards offense with a bad OL. This is both defense of Barkley and calling out the reality of the position he plays.
After that performance today, I firmly believe Barkley is contributing to the OL’s mediocrity. He does some things very well but is just mediocre at key aspects of his position.
He plays a fungible position and is coming off a major injury. And everyone else see what we see, a guy who thinks he’s Barry Sanders when he’s not as good as Aaron Jones.
saw some of his quickness, acceleration, and vision on a few runs, but on others he looked hesitant and seemed to be running somewhat gingerly. Some of his hesitation and "dancing" though is because the OL blocking has been very poor. Regardless of what happens this year, I'd be stunned if he's traded.
But I’m starting to sour on him real quick. You aren’t a staring RB if you can’t pass protect and can’t run between the tackles. Giants might need to cut bait this offseason and let him walk.
Took the screen at halftime like Barkley should, he turned and just ran . No dance moves and no running out of bounds. Matison for the Vikes had one where he lowered his shoulder and got another 10yards and he has to be about 20 lbs lighter than Saquon
Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss
His outright refusal to just fucking run is pathetic. Half the time he's just juking ghosts out there. It's ridiculous.
And probably won't get another contract. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league in the near future.
If he goes to another team and does what he does here, then yeah. He'd be out of the league soon, as a backup RB who doesn't do special teams and can't pass block doesn't have a lot of value.
His best bet would be a team (maybe this one if Garrett realizes it one day) that sees what Barkley is - a gadget player - and starts using him that way.
You have no fucking eyeballs if you don't agree with this post. Hur dur dumb fuck hur dur -- the only dumb fucks are the ones who think that Saquon is actually worth building an offense around.
Not this year as he’s not all the way back but just watch. He will not re-sign here or he will be traded and once he’s removed from the swamps of jersey he will shine.
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
Until the story changes, the decisions that led the team to this position are always going to be fresh wounds.
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
The problem is it just isn’t “one pick.” It’s entire drafts and FA class mistakes compounded.
Every aspect of his game is average at best. People saying he’d be better on another team are incorrect. His flaws are fatal. He doesn’t hit a hole. His agility and speed are not what they were. He never runs with power. His balance is poor as he often trips over his own feet. He doesn’t even try to make people miss now (that may be due to his knee). You think he’d look different on another team? I think he’s just not very good.
In my opinion we won't know if he can come all the way back until
Yeah, you get the 3 yard loss every now and then. Then I looked at his state line 3.2 yards per carry. Not good.
It is a shame because he seems like a good guy and he is a team player but he is the face of Giants' futility because they drafted him number two overall.
After that performance today, I firmly believe Barkley is contributing to the OL’s mediocrity. He does some things very well but is just mediocre at key aspects of his position.
I had the same thought during the game today - imagine Barkley has been the problem with the OL all along?
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
A RB at #2 is a stupid pick unless he is the final piece of the puzzle. Toney was a stupid pick. OBJ was a stupid pick. Why...because the OL has sucked for 10 years. The Giants draft like they are a pick or two away from glory when the truth is they have not had a decent pass rush or OL in 10 years. And it is not on the scouts...its the plan that has been implemented by the front office.
The Barkley we saw in his rookie year was a mirage. But I doubt we'll ever see him return to that level and that highlights a flaw in the pick that I didn't give as much weight to as I should have: for every Marshall Faulk who is productive for 8-10 years there's a Chris Johnson, David Johnson, Larry Johnson, Arian Foster, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc.
Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss
Banks on postgame kept it going. Said while the offensive line isn't good, on certain plays 26 just doesn't give them a chance.
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
A RB at #2 is a stupid pick unless he is the final piece of the puzzle. Toney was a stupid pick. OBJ was a stupid pick. Why...because the OL has sucked for 10 years. The Giants draft like they are a pick or two away from glory when the truth is they have not had a decent pass rush or OL in 10 years. And it is not on the scouts...its the plan that has been implemented by the front office.
Amen!
To add to this, this is who Barkley is and always has been. He got away with it to some extent in year one because he was new to the league. Once DCs had tape on him they could see his tendencies and coached their guys up on how not to fall for his cuts. So now he loses yards on the same plays as before, but the big break out highlight reel players are not there anymore. Those are well defended.
But to be honest he didn't really get a way with it as a rookie wither. He was an insanely inefficient runner as a rookie. I think it was JonC who posted a stat that he gained something like two thirds of all his yards on something like 30 plays, leaving the other 350 or so touches averaging less than 2 yards. I posted a stat from Football outsiders that show his running success rate (defined a percent of yards needed for a first down or TD on any given down... 1st Down: 40%, 2nd Down 50%, 3rd or 4th Down 100%). In that stat Barkley has been at or near the bottom every single year he has been in the NFL. And that start has the strongest correlation with winning of any rushing stat.
He wasn't just a bad pick. He is emblematic of what has been wrong with this franchise for nearly 15 years. Yes they won a SB in 11, but it was largely with the remnants of the 07 team built by Accorsi. Since Reese took over there has been a fascination with every bright shiny object that comes along, without paying attention to the fundamentals of team building. There hasn't been a discernible plan for team building in 15 years, I'm not sure that the front office even knows how to plan for team building.
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
It's not every day you get to pick that high. Shoot the las time was when the Giants got Eli in '04.
Simple and true. In fact, indisputable at this point.
Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.
Just a hugely forgettable Giant.
Couldn't agree more.
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He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.
Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.
Saw the same. Don't know how the hell he gets tackled there.
He will forever be emblematic of what a terrible GM Gettleman was for this team
At a 17M cap hit over 21/22 — that’s another story.
He can't. He needs help to maximize his ability. This gold jacket stuff was Gettleman smelling his own brand.
He can't. He needs help to maximize his ability. This gold jacket stuff was Gettleman smelling his own brand.
Watching Tampa, I was just thinking Barkley looks a lot Gio Bernard.
When Barkley shakes the rust, he’s probably as valuable as Fournette + Bernard. A good running back, that is a complimentary player on a good team.
I just don't think he's a bell cow RB like a Henry.
His outright refusal to just fucking run is pathetic. Half the time he's just juking ghosts out there. It's ridiculous.
If he goes to another team and does what he does here, then yeah. He'd be out of the league soon, as a backup RB who doesn't do special teams and can't pass block doesn't have a lot of value.
His best bet would be a team (maybe this one if Garrett realizes it one day) that sees what Barkley is - a gadget player - and starts using him that way.
He's sucking up cap resources as much as he does downs on the field.
Dumb fucks I expect, but...
Fucking moron
You know very well the Giants are being haunted by more than just one failed pick.
Until the story changes, the decisions that led the team to this position are always going to be fresh wounds.
The problem is it just isn’t “one pick.” It’s entire drafts and FA class mistakes compounded.
It is a shame because he seems like a good guy and he is a team player but he is the face of Giants' futility because they drafted him number two overall.
I had the same thought during the game today - imagine Barkley has been the problem with the OL all along?
A RB at #2 is a stupid pick unless he is the final piece of the puzzle. Toney was a stupid pick. OBJ was a stupid pick. Why...because the OL has sucked for 10 years. The Giants draft like they are a pick or two away from glory when the truth is they have not had a decent pass rush or OL in 10 years. And it is not on the scouts...its the plan that has been implemented by the front office.
Banks on postgame kept it going. Said while the offensive line isn't good, on certain plays 26 just doesn't give them a chance.
Why stop there? Other highly drafted Penn State RBs:
Blair Thomas - #2 overall
Curtis Enis - #5 overall
It's good so see Barkley aspiring to follow those winners' footsteps.
I was so confused by that. That’s a guy who is not seeing the field well.
I really thought he had a terrible game today.
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In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
A RB at #2 is a stupid pick unless he is the final piece of the puzzle. Toney was a stupid pick. OBJ was a stupid pick. Why...because the OL has sucked for 10 years. The Giants draft like they are a pick or two away from glory when the truth is they have not had a decent pass rush or OL in 10 years. And it is not on the scouts...its the plan that has been implemented by the front office.
Amen!
To add to this, this is who Barkley is and always has been. He got away with it to some extent in year one because he was new to the league. Once DCs had tape on him they could see his tendencies and coached their guys up on how not to fall for his cuts. So now he loses yards on the same plays as before, but the big break out highlight reel players are not there anymore. Those are well defended.
But to be honest he didn't really get a way with it as a rookie wither. He was an insanely inefficient runner as a rookie. I think it was JonC who posted a stat that he gained something like two thirds of all his yards on something like 30 plays, leaving the other 350 or so touches averaging less than 2 yards. I posted a stat from Football outsiders that show his running success rate (defined a percent of yards needed for a first down or TD on any given down... 1st Down: 40%, 2nd Down 50%, 3rd or 4th Down 100%). In that stat Barkley has been at or near the bottom every single year he has been in the NFL. And that start has the strongest correlation with winning of any rushing stat.
He wasn't just a bad pick. He is emblematic of what has been wrong with this franchise for nearly 15 years. Yes they won a SB in 11, but it was largely with the remnants of the 07 team built by Accorsi. Since Reese took over there has been a fascination with every bright shiny object that comes along, without paying attention to the fundamentals of team building. There hasn't been a discernible plan for team building in 15 years, I'm not sure that the front office even knows how to plan for team building.
It's not every day you get to pick that high. Shoot the las time was when the Giants got Eli in '04.