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How overrated is Saquon Barkley?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/26/2021 5:27 pm
Good Lord. Stop dancing kid & hit the hole. If I am Giants, I am listening to all trade offers for him.
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Injuries or not  
bubba0825 : 9/26/2021 5:40 pm : link
It still proves it was the wrong pick. No rb in the nfl is worth the 2nd pick.
I don't want to pile on Barkley...  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/26/2021 5:41 pm : link
But lowering expectations for him isn't helping. The only play I felt like only he could make was the jump into the endzone. Great jump. Other than that...any RB makes most of the plays he made. We should expect more, right?
He’s not a bad player  
Metnut : 9/26/2021 5:41 pm : link
but a truly awful pick at #2 overall. It’s crazy how defensive and angry many people got here when it was suggested that taking this RB at #2 wasn’t a good idea.
Carl Banks was blasting him  
HewlettGiant : 9/26/2021 5:42 pm : link
Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss
RE: He’s not a bad player  
chick310 : 9/26/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15385109 Metnut said:
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but a truly awful pick at #2 overall. It’s crazy how defensive and angry many people got here when it was suggested that taking this RB at #2 wasn’t a good idea.


Simple and true. In fact, indisputable at this point.
RE: Worst play of the game by him was that last screen pass.  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15385059 robbieballs2003 said:
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He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.


Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.
Overrated.  
BigBlueinDE : 9/26/2021 5:45 pm : link
And probably won't get another contract. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league in the near future.
RE: .  
BigBlueinDE : 9/26/2021 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15385058 Go Terps said:
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But he's blessed...and he sells Toyotas or whatever the fuck.

Just a hugely forgettable Giant.


Couldn't agree more.
RE: RE: Worst play of the game by him was that last screen pass.  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/26/2021 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15385126 cosmicj said:
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In comment 15385059 robbieballs2003 said:


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He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.



Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.


Saw the same. Don't know how the hell he gets tackled there.
We potentially win the game  
LG in NYC : 9/26/2021 5:46 pm : link
If he plays that screen pass at the end better. I could not believe The dopey angle he took, running right into the only defender.

He will forever be emblematic of what a terrible GM Gettleman was for this team
All I know is  
jeff57 : 9/26/2021 5:48 pm : link
He’s no Quentin Nelson, Josh Allen or Bradley Chubb
For all the crap Garrett gets, that was a key play  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 5:49 pm : link
And he calls the perfect play for it. And Touched by the Hand of God makes an amateur running mistake and now they’re 0-3.
 
christian : 9/26/2021 5:50 pm : link
Barkley is a nice running back. If he was making 5M a year, he’d be good value.

At a 17M cap hit over 21/22 — that’s another story.
Mildly  
AcesUp : 9/26/2021 5:52 pm : link
He'd look awesome on a better team. Not sure what some of you expect a running back to do on a backwards offense with a bad OL. This is both defense of Barkley and calling out the reality of the position he plays.
Same  
Les in TO : 9/26/2021 5:54 pm : link
Alma matter as Ki Jana Carter same waste of a top draft pick
Aces  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 5:55 pm : link
After that performance today, I firmly believe Barkley is contributing to the OL’s mediocrity. He does some things very well but is just mediocre at key aspects of his position.
He'd be great on a team like tampa  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2021 6:00 pm : link
He's a great "final piece of the puzzle", not nearly as worth it when asked to carry the whole franchise.

He can't. He needs help to maximize his ability. This gold jacket stuff was Gettleman smelling his own brand.
RE: He'd be great on a team like tampa  
christian : 9/26/2021 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15385203 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's a great "final piece of the puzzle", not nearly as worth it when asked to carry the whole franchise.

He can't. He needs help to maximize his ability. This gold jacket stuff was Gettleman smelling his own brand.


Watching Tampa, I was just thinking Barkley looks a lot Gio Bernard.

When Barkley shakes the rust, he’s probably as valuable as Fournette + Bernard. A good running back, that is a complimentary player on a good team.
Who’s giving up anything of value for him?  
Section331 : 9/26/2021 6:04 pm : link
He plays a fungible position and is coming off a major injury. And everyone else see what we see, a guy who thinks he’s Barry Sanders when he’s not as good as Aaron Jones.
We  
AcidTest : 9/26/2021 6:08 pm : link
saw some of his quickness, acceleration, and vision on a few runs, but on others he looked hesitant and seemed to be running somewhat gingerly. Some of his hesitation and "dancing" though is because the OL blocking has been very poor. Regardless of what happens this year, I'd be stunned if he's traded.
I’ve defended him in the past  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/26/2021 6:09 pm : link
But I’m starting to sour on him real quick. You aren’t a staring RB if you can’t pass protect and can’t run between the tackles. Giants might need to cut bait this offseason and let him walk.
Gio Bernard  
Giants73 : 9/26/2021 6:11 pm : link
Took the screen at halftime like Barkley should, he turned and just ran . No dance moves and no running out of bounds. Matison for the Vikes had one where he lowered his shoulder and got another 10yards and he has to be about 20 lbs lighter than Saquon
Start making calls  
chick310 : 9/26/2021 6:11 pm : link
tonight.
He really needs to be with another team...  
bw in dc : 9/26/2021 6:12 pm : link
A team with more seasoning. For example, if SB was with a team like KC he'd look a lot better.

I just don't think he's a bell cow RB like a Henry.
whatever happens  
WahooGiant : 9/26/2021 6:16 pm : link
giants cannot pay him. Cannot double down on the mistake.
RE: Carl Banks was blasting him  
rsjem1979 : 9/26/2021 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15385112 HewlettGiant said:
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Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss


His outright refusal to just fucking run is pathetic. Half the time he's just juking ghosts out there. It's ridiculous.
Very  
Sammo85 : 9/26/2021 6:29 pm : link
He is not a consistent back and not one that deserves a big contract.
RE: Overrated.  
FStubbs : 9/26/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15385136 BigBlueinDE said:
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And probably won't get another contract. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league in the near future.


If he goes to another team and does what he does here, then yeah. He'd be out of the league soon, as a backup RB who doesn't do special teams and can't pass block doesn't have a lot of value.

His best bet would be a team (maybe this one if Garrett realizes it one day) that sees what Barkley is - a gadget player - and starts using him that way.
RE: whatever happens  
FStubbs : 9/26/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15385286 WahooGiant said:
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giants cannot pay him. Cannot double down on the mistake.


He's sucking up cap resources as much as he does downs on the field.
RE: Realyl?  
Bear vs Shark : 9/26/2021 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15385073 PakistanPete said:
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This is your gripe?

Dumb fucks I expect, but...
You have no fucking eyeballs if you don't agree with this post. Hur dur dumb fuck hur dur -- the only dumb fucks are the ones who think that Saquon is actually worth building an offense around.

Fucking moron
Probably not very overrated anymore  
Dave in PA : 9/26/2021 6:53 pm : link
Now that everyone is riding his ass about how much he sucks
He’ll be an all pro talent somewhere else  
djm : 9/26/2021 6:58 pm : link
Not this year as he’s not all the way back but just watch. He will not re-sign here or he will be traded and once he’s removed from the swamps of jersey he will shine.
And you know what?  
djm : 9/26/2021 7:01 pm : link
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
RE: And you know what?  
christian : 9/26/2021 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15385438 djm said:
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Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.


You know very well the Giants are being haunted by more than just one failed pick.
RE: And you know what?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2021 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15385438 djm said:
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In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.


Until the story changes, the decisions that led the team to this position are always going to be fresh wounds.
Cordelle Patterson  
5BowlsSoon : 9/26/2021 7:17 pm : link
Is 10x better. Does that answer your question?
I was mocked in the off season for hoping SB would dance less  
penkap75 : 9/26/2021 7:21 pm : link
Uconn and fatfuckincharlotte, go fuck yourselves.
RE: And you know what?  
WillVAB : 9/26/2021 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15385438 djm said:
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In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.


The problem is it just isn’t “one pick.” It’s entire drafts and FA class mistakes compounded.
He does nothing well right now  
GiantsFan84 : 9/26/2021 8:40 pm : link
Every aspect of his game is average at best. People saying he’d be better on another team are incorrect. His flaws are fatal. He doesn’t hit a hole. His agility and speed are not what they were. He never runs with power. His balance is poor as he often trips over his own feet. He doesn’t even try to make people miss now (that may be due to his knee). You think he’d look different on another team? I think he’s just not very good.
In my opinion we won't know if he can come all the way back until  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2021 8:44 pm : link
end of this season. He is lacking confidence hitting the holes now for sure
I actually thought he was playing well watching the game.  
St. Jimmy : 9/26/2021 8:48 pm : link
Yeah, you get the 3 yard loss every now and then. Then I looked at his state line 3.2 yards per carry. Not good.

It is a shame because he seems like a good guy and he is a team player but he is the face of Giants' futility because they drafted him number two overall.
RE: Aces  
The Jake : 9/26/2021 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15385185 cosmicj said:
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After that performance today, I firmly believe Barkley is contributing to the OL’s mediocrity. He does some things very well but is just mediocre at key aspects of his position.


I had the same thought during the game today - imagine Barkley has been the problem with the OL all along?
RE: And you know what?  
AnnapolisMike : 9/26/2021 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15385438 djm said:
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In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.


A RB at #2 is a stupid pick unless he is the final piece of the puzzle. Toney was a stupid pick. OBJ was a stupid pick. Why...because the OL has sucked for 10 years. The Giants draft like they are a pick or two away from glory when the truth is they have not had a decent pass rush or OL in 10 years. And it is not on the scouts...its the plan that has been implemented by the front office.
I don't think  
santacruzom : 9/26/2021 9:17 pm : link
The Barkley we saw in his rookie year was a mirage. But I doubt we'll ever see him return to that level and that highlights a flaw in the pick that I didn't give as much weight to as I should have: for every Marshall Faulk who is productive for 8-10 years there's a Chris Johnson, David Johnson, Larry Johnson, Arian Foster, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc.
He did have a sick  
St. Jimmy : 9/26/2021 9:50 pm : link
spin move for a one yard game. Not sure why he did that but looked cool.
RE: Carl Banks was blasting him  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/26/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15385112 HewlettGiant said:
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Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss


Banks on postgame kept it going. Said while the offensive line isn't good, on certain plays 26 just doesn't give them a chance.
RE: Same  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/27/2021 12:02 am : link
In comment 15385179 Les in TO said:
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Alma matter as Ki Jana Carter same waste of a top draft pick


Why stop there? Other highly drafted Penn State RBs:

Blair Thomas - #2 overall
Curtis Enis - #5 overall

It's good so see Barkley aspiring to follow those winners' footsteps.
RE: He did have a sick  
BrettNYG10 : 9/27/2021 12:08 am : link
In comment 15386077 St. Jimmy said:
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spin move for a one yard game. Not sure why he did that but looked cool.


I was so confused by that. That’s a guy who is not seeing the field well.

I really thought he had a terrible game today.
RE: RE: And you know what?  
.McL. : 9/27/2021 4:05 am : link
In comment 15385892 AnnapolisMike said:
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In comment 15385438 djm said:


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In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.



A RB at #2 is a stupid pick unless he is the final piece of the puzzle. Toney was a stupid pick. OBJ was a stupid pick. Why...because the OL has sucked for 10 years. The Giants draft like they are a pick or two away from glory when the truth is they have not had a decent pass rush or OL in 10 years. And it is not on the scouts...its the plan that has been implemented by the front office.

Amen!

To add to this, this is who Barkley is and always has been. He got away with it to some extent in year one because he was new to the league. Once DCs had tape on him they could see his tendencies and coached their guys up on how not to fall for his cuts. So now he loses yards on the same plays as before, but the big break out highlight reel players are not there anymore. Those are well defended.

But to be honest he didn't really get a way with it as a rookie wither. He was an insanely inefficient runner as a rookie. I think it was JonC who posted a stat that he gained something like two thirds of all his yards on something like 30 plays, leaving the other 350 or so touches averaging less than 2 yards. I posted a stat from Football outsiders that show his running success rate (defined a percent of yards needed for a first down or TD on any given down... 1st Down: 40%, 2nd Down 50%, 3rd or 4th Down 100%). In that stat Barkley has been at or near the bottom every single year he has been in the NFL. And that start has the strongest correlation with winning of any rushing stat.

He wasn't just a bad pick. He is emblematic of what has been wrong with this franchise for nearly 15 years. Yes they won a SB in 11, but it was largely with the remnants of the 07 team built by Accorsi. Since Reese took over there has been a fascination with every bright shiny object that comes along, without paying attention to the fundamentals of team building. There hasn't been a discernible plan for team building in 15 years, I'm not sure that the front office even knows how to plan for team building.
RE: And you know what?  
Debaser : 9/27/2021 7:31 am : link
In comment 15385438 djm said:
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In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.


It's not every day you get to pick that high. Shoot the las time was when the Giants got Eli in '04.
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