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How overrated is Saquon Barkley?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/26/2021 5:27 pm
Good Lord. Stop dancing kid & hit the hole. If I am Giants, I am listening to all trade offers for him.
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What was the point of not dressing Booker?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2021 5:28 pm : link
If Barkley is all systems go, it doesn't look like it.
Reading twitter  
bubba0825 : 9/26/2021 5:29 pm : link
And this board, he’s massively overrated at this point, but Mara probably thinks he needs him to sell tickets
Agree 100%  
KevinBBWC : 9/26/2021 5:29 pm : link
Such a waste of a really high pick.
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Go Terps : 9/26/2021 5:30 pm : link
But he's blessed...and he sells Toyotas or whatever the fuck.

Just a hugely forgettable Giant.
Worst play of the game by him was that last screen pass.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/26/2021 5:30 pm : link
He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.
100000% agreed.  
bradshaw44 : 9/26/2021 5:30 pm : link
Trade him and engram. Get what you can. Even if they go on to be greats, so what, they can’t do it here. Get something for them if you can.
i'd trade him  
Jints in Carolina : 9/26/2021 5:31 pm : link
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Route 9 : 9/26/2021 5:32 pm : link
He's certainly an annoying player to watch. Won't miss him when he goes somewhere else.
And it was clear  
bradshaw44 : 9/26/2021 5:32 pm : link
That analysis this week about him having no vision was spot on.

You can’t get to open space as easy in the nfl like college. Kid ain’t a player. I’d rather have prime sproles or bush.
Realyl?  
PakistanPete : 9/26/2021 5:32 pm : link
This is your gripe?

Dumb fucks I expect, but...
RE: i'd trade him  
Route 9 : 9/26/2021 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15385068 Jints in Carolina said:
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Enrgam
Barkley

For a 5th rounder
Really.. also...  
PakistanPete : 9/26/2021 5:33 pm : link
But da durps... :)
Overrated perhaps  
dlauster : 9/26/2021 5:35 pm : link
But honestly with all the issues on this team, he is like twentieth on our list of concerns. He had close to 100 total yards of offense today.

Not saying he’s helping, but he isn’t hurting us the way others are.
I know that all the players and coaches suck at this point  
Jim in Tampa : 9/26/2021 5:35 pm : link
(or so it seems).

But Barkley did run better this week. And I thought he had some runs where he hit the hole when nothing was there (instead of dancing) and got 4 or 5 yards.

Hopefully he gets beter and better every week. Doubt you'd get much for him in a trade unless he somehow gets back to being the Barkley of his rookie season.
He could be used a LOT better  
Aaroninma : 9/26/2021 5:38 pm : link
Pin patterns, more screens, more toss plays. Counters. Etc

He really wasn’t bad today  
mfsd : 9/26/2021 5:39 pm : link
He hit the hole and got 4-5 yards a few times, as he should have.

But he’s also clearly not the same player after the injuries. Can he get back their? Possibly, but probably doubtful. But I don’t see him breaking any 69 yard TDs anytime soon

Giants thought they were getting a Marshall Faulk/Ladanian Tomlinson type player. Sadly, he may never be
RE: He could be used a LOT better  
dlauster : 9/26/2021 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15385092 Aaroninma said:
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Pin patterns, more screens, more toss plays. Counters. Etc


More screens yes, and hopefully ones where we don’t have linemen 20 yards downfield illegally.
Injuries or not  
bubba0825 : 9/26/2021 5:40 pm : link
It still proves it was the wrong pick. No rb in the nfl is worth the 2nd pick.
I don't want to pile on Barkley...  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/26/2021 5:41 pm : link
But lowering expectations for him isn't helping. The only play I felt like only he could make was the jump into the endzone. Great jump. Other than that...any RB makes most of the plays he made. We should expect more, right?
He’s not a bad player  
Metnut : 9/26/2021 5:41 pm : link
but a truly awful pick at #2 overall. It’s crazy how defensive and angry many people got here when it was suggested that taking this RB at #2 wasn’t a good idea.
Carl Banks was blasting him  
HewlettGiant : 9/26/2021 5:42 pm : link
Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss
RE: He’s not a bad player  
chick310 : 9/26/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15385109 Metnut said:
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but a truly awful pick at #2 overall. It’s crazy how defensive and angry many people got here when it was suggested that taking this RB at #2 wasn’t a good idea.


Simple and true. In fact, indisputable at this point.
RE: Worst play of the game by him was that last screen pass.  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15385059 robbieballs2003 said:
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He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.


Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.
Overrated.  
BigBlueinDE : 9/26/2021 5:45 pm : link
And probably won't get another contract. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league in the near future.
RE: .  
BigBlueinDE : 9/26/2021 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15385058 Go Terps said:
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But he's blessed...and he sells Toyotas or whatever the fuck.

Just a hugely forgettable Giant.


Couldn't agree more.
RE: RE: Worst play of the game by him was that last screen pass.  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/26/2021 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15385126 cosmicj said:
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In comment 15385059 robbieballs2003 said:


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He had 2 OL in front and he ran right into the only defender. As a RB, how can you not help your OL by setting up the block. It drives me nuts watching runners just run past their blockers. It's fuckin moronic.



Word. I think he is downright mediocre at reading blocks.


Saw the same. Don't know how the hell he gets tackled there.
We potentially win the game  
LG in NYC : 9/26/2021 5:46 pm : link
If he plays that screen pass at the end better. I could not believe The dopey angle he took, running right into the only defender.

He will forever be emblematic of what a terrible GM Gettleman was for this team
All I know is  
jeff57 : 9/26/2021 5:48 pm : link
He’s no Quentin Nelson, Josh Allen or Bradley Chubb
For all the crap Garrett gets, that was a key play  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 5:49 pm : link
And he calls the perfect play for it. And Touched by the Hand of God makes an amateur running mistake and now they’re 0-3.
 
christian : 9/26/2021 5:50 pm : link
Barkley is a nice running back. If he was making 5M a year, he’d be good value.

At a 17M cap hit over 21/22 — that’s another story.
Mildly  
AcesUp : 9/26/2021 5:52 pm : link
He'd look awesome on a better team. Not sure what some of you expect a running back to do on a backwards offense with a bad OL. This is both defense of Barkley and calling out the reality of the position he plays.
Same  
Les in TO : 9/26/2021 5:54 pm : link
Alma matter as Ki Jana Carter same waste of a top draft pick
Aces  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 5:55 pm : link
After that performance today, I firmly believe Barkley is contributing to the OL’s mediocrity. He does some things very well but is just mediocre at key aspects of his position.
He'd be great on a team like tampa  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2021 6:00 pm : link
He's a great "final piece of the puzzle", not nearly as worth it when asked to carry the whole franchise.

He can't. He needs help to maximize his ability. This gold jacket stuff was Gettleman smelling his own brand.
RE: He'd be great on a team like tampa  
christian : 9/26/2021 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15385203 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's a great "final piece of the puzzle", not nearly as worth it when asked to carry the whole franchise.

He can't. He needs help to maximize his ability. This gold jacket stuff was Gettleman smelling his own brand.


Watching Tampa, I was just thinking Barkley looks a lot Gio Bernard.

When Barkley shakes the rust, he’s probably as valuable as Fournette + Bernard. A good running back, that is a complimentary player on a good team.
Who’s giving up anything of value for him?  
Section331 : 9/26/2021 6:04 pm : link
He plays a fungible position and is coming off a major injury. And everyone else see what we see, a guy who thinks he’s Barry Sanders when he’s not as good as Aaron Jones.
We  
AcidTest : 9/26/2021 6:08 pm : link
saw some of his quickness, acceleration, and vision on a few runs, but on others he looked hesitant and seemed to be running somewhat gingerly. Some of his hesitation and "dancing" though is because the OL blocking has been very poor. Regardless of what happens this year, I'd be stunned if he's traded.
I’ve defended him in the past  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/26/2021 6:09 pm : link
But I’m starting to sour on him real quick. You aren’t a staring RB if you can’t pass protect and can’t run between the tackles. Giants might need to cut bait this offseason and let him walk.
Gio Bernard  
Giants73 : 9/26/2021 6:11 pm : link
Took the screen at halftime like Barkley should, he turned and just ran . No dance moves and no running out of bounds. Matison for the Vikes had one where he lowered his shoulder and got another 10yards and he has to be about 20 lbs lighter than Saquon
Start making calls  
chick310 : 9/26/2021 6:11 pm : link
tonight.
He really needs to be with another team...  
bw in dc : 9/26/2021 6:12 pm : link
A team with more seasoning. For example, if SB was with a team like KC he'd look a lot better.

I just don't think he's a bell cow RB like a Henry.
whatever happens  
WahooGiant : 9/26/2021 6:16 pm : link
giants cannot pay him. Cannot double down on the mistake.
RE: Carl Banks was blasting him  
rsjem1979 : 9/26/2021 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15385112 HewlettGiant said:
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Banks took a ton of shots at 26 for not hitting holes an d dancing causing losses. Specifically on the 2nd and 1 on our last drive that went for a 3 yard loss


His outright refusal to just fucking run is pathetic. Half the time he's just juking ghosts out there. It's ridiculous.
Very  
Sammo85 : 9/26/2021 6:29 pm : link
He is not a consistent back and not one that deserves a big contract.
RE: Overrated.  
FStubbs : 9/26/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15385136 BigBlueinDE said:
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And probably won't get another contract. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league in the near future.


If he goes to another team and does what he does here, then yeah. He'd be out of the league soon, as a backup RB who doesn't do special teams and can't pass block doesn't have a lot of value.

His best bet would be a team (maybe this one if Garrett realizes it one day) that sees what Barkley is - a gadget player - and starts using him that way.
RE: whatever happens  
FStubbs : 9/26/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15385286 WahooGiant said:
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giants cannot pay him. Cannot double down on the mistake.


He's sucking up cap resources as much as he does downs on the field.
RE: Realyl?  
Bear vs Shark : 9/26/2021 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15385073 PakistanPete said:
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This is your gripe?

Dumb fucks I expect, but...
You have no fucking eyeballs if you don't agree with this post. Hur dur dumb fuck hur dur -- the only dumb fucks are the ones who think that Saquon is actually worth building an offense around.

Fucking moron
Probably not very overrated anymore  
Dave in PA : 9/26/2021 6:53 pm : link
Now that everyone is riding his ass about how much he sucks
He’ll be an all pro talent somewhere else  
djm : 9/26/2021 6:58 pm : link
Not this year as he’s not all the way back but just watch. He will not re-sign here or he will be traded and once he’s removed from the swamps of jersey he will shine.
And you know what?  
djm : 9/26/2021 7:01 pm : link
In fucking sick of people bitching about a draft pick from FOUR years ago. Teams miss all the time and Barkley isn’t exactly a dud of a player but even if he is, it’s four god damned years ago now. The Eagles traded the farm for Wentz and they can still function. The Rams trade every fucking pick they have and keep winning. Teams miss but only the giants would be supposedly haunted by one fucking pick from four years back. Gimme a break.
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