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bcinsd : 9/26/2021 8:43 pm
How do they not adjust at halftime and make sure he gets more touches? He made a nice catch and looked shifty and fast. Shepard and Slayton out. Yet no plays for him in the second half.

This is on both JG and the head coach. JJ should have demanded it of JG at halftime.
Collin Johnson  
GoDeep13 : 9/26/2021 8:45 pm : link
Looked more like a 1st round picks…
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BleedBlue : 9/26/2021 8:45 pm : link
i said it on other thread. its a fucking joke.

kid looked shifty. This was a PERFECT chance for himn to prove he had what it takes. a perfect spot for him to step up and honestly...i bet he meets the challenge. he played BIG TIME football in collegfe and we are treating him like a fucking midwest community college player. This is a joke.

I thought for sure when both went out toney was gonna get a legit shot and we were gonna see him make some plays
RE: Collin Johnson  
M.S. : 9/26/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15385812 GoDeep13 said:
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Looked more like a 1st round picks…

Looked great out there!
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broadbandz : 9/26/2021 8:46 pm : link
Jason Garrett has never adjusted to anything. He runs a bland predictable offense that takes perfection to gain 8 yds.
RE: RE: Collin Johnson  
Bill in UT : 9/26/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15385817 M.S. said:
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Looked more like a 1st round picks…


Looked great out there!


Board did ok at WR also. Sorry, David Sills fans
Watching the Rams, Packers, Chiefs  
jvm52106 : 9/26/2021 8:56 pm : link
etc. all have such diverse passing games- routes, route trees and alignments. I swear defenses clearly know our plays, what is coming and with our lack of OL talent things have to be perfect to work.


Judge lost me today. The decisions being made- challenges that make no sense, TO's used like they are unlimited and a lack of guts- all pushed me to the he is not the coach he presents himself to be.
Guys ….the  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/26/2021 8:57 pm : link
Giants coaches …. Suck!
Could've been the looks they were getting.  
allstarjim : 9/26/2021 8:57 pm : link
Could be that Jones was simply taking the open guy.

Passing game was pretty good when the blocking was there.
It’s pathetic what this coaching staff thinks is a winning game plan  
Ben in Tampa : 9/26/2021 9:04 pm : link
Week to week

The three top weapons were either hurt or OUT, and our first round weapon was nowhere to be seen.

and ANY excuse about why that happened is damning to the front office and the coaching staff.
 
christian : 9/26/2021 9:06 pm : link
Guys, playing receiver is prohibitively difficult. Toney has to learn the difference between 8.5 and 8 yards.

He can’t be expected to play WR, return punts, or return kicks 3 games into the season.
Toney is an undersized possession WR with 4.5 speed  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 9:06 pm : link
You don’t scheme to get him the ball. It’s not like he’s Randy Moss.
RE: …  
BleedBlue : 9/26/2021 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15385904 christian said:
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Guys, playing receiver is prohibitively difficult. Toney has to learn the difference between 8.5 and 8 yards.

He can’t be expected to play WR, return punts, or return kicks 3 games into the season.


sarcasm?

dude played in the SEC not some bumfuck community college. nobody is asking him to run difficult concepts...he cant run a comeback? he cant run a drag? he cant run a go? we have DONE NOTHING to try and feed him the rock consistently where he can get going.... i really hope that was sarcasm
RE: Toney is an undersized possession WR with 4.5 speed  
BleedBlue : 9/26/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15385907 cosmicj said:
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You don’t scheme to get him the ball. It’s not like he’s Randy Moss.


i disagree HIGHLY with this take. his 4.5 speed means jack shit. he is shifty and makes plays. you absolutely scheme to get him the ball. in college he made several HUGE plays. thats a guy you absolutely scheme into your offense...
RE: Toney is an undersized possession WR with 4.5 speed  
broadbandz : 9/26/2021 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15385907 cosmicj said:
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You don’t scheme to get him the ball. It’s not like he’s Randy Moss.


then why did we draft him 20 OVERALL
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christian : 9/26/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15385913 BleedBlue said:
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Guys, playing receiver is prohibitively difficult. Toney has to learn the difference between 8.5 and 8 yards.

He can’t be expected to play WR, return punts, or return kicks 3 games into the season.



sarcasm?

dude played in the SEC not some bumfuck community college. nobody is asking him to run difficult concepts...he cant run a comeback? he cant run a drag? he cant run a go? we have DONE NOTHING to try and feed him the rock consistently where he can get going.... i really hope that was sarcasm

Yes, sarcasm - ( New Window )
That’s an excellent question  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 9:15 pm : link
Seriously, the hope is that his joystick like quickness allows him to escape tacklers and gain first downs. We have yet to see it, but hopefully it will develop.

I don’t agree with the pick at all for positional value reasons. I’ll note that Sterling Shepard - who’s NCAA career is Jim Brown like compared to Toney’s - went early in the second.
RE: Toney is an undersized possession WR with 4.5 speed  
bcinsd : 9/26/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15385907 cosmicj said:
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You don’t scheme to get him the ball. It’s not like he’s Randy Moss.



Do the Chiefs scheme the ball to Tyreek Hill?
It took Toney  
AcesUp : 9/26/2021 9:18 pm : link
3 years for the light to come on at Florida. The better question is why didn't we draft a real WR if we wanted a WR and why didn't we draft RonDale Moore a round later if we wanted a developmental gadget guy?
RE: Toney is an undersized possession WR with 4.5 speed  
Ira : 9/26/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15385907 cosmicj said:
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You don’t scheme to get him the ball. It’s not like he’s Randy Moss.


He ran a 4.39 40 on his pro day.
RE: It took Toney  
BleedBlue : 9/26/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15385947 AcesUp said:
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3 years for the light to come on at Florida. The better question is why didn't we draft a real WR if we wanted a WR and why didn't we draft RonDale Moore a round later if we wanted a developmental gadget guy?


or it just took time for him to get a shot?
Great pick. He should really make an impact  
NYGgolfer : 9/26/2021 9:23 pm : link
just about when the Giants are eliminated.
Hill ran a 4.3 at his pro day  
cosmicj : 9/26/2021 9:25 pm : link
In fact, he was timed at 4.24 (!) at one point. His 3-cone and short shuttles were superb.

Toney ran a 4.4 at his Pro Day, so make that 4.5 in reality. 4.5 is fast but nothing to get excited about if your an NFL talent hunter.

There’s an athletic gap between the two players.
He looked  
phil in arizona : 9/26/2021 9:31 pm : link
Pretty slippery on his few touches.

RE: RE: It took Toney  
AcesUp : 9/26/2021 9:35 pm : link
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3 years for the light to come on at Florida. The better question is why didn't we draft a real WR if we wanted a WR and why didn't we draft RonDale Moore a round later if we wanted a developmental gadget guy?



or it just took time for him to get a shot?


That is fair. It's early. I just don't get the choice with the alternatives. It's like they tried to split the middle between a gadget player and future base personnel WR instead of picking a lane. There was a better or comparable gadget guy available later and way more complete WRs on the board whether they wanted a slot or outside WR.
RE: RE: RE: It took Toney  
BleedBlue : 9/26/2021 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15386017 AcesUp said:
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3 years for the light to come on at Florida. The better question is why didn't we draft a real WR if we wanted a WR and why didn't we draft RonDale Moore a round later if we wanted a developmental gadget guy?



or it just took time for him to get a shot?



That is fair. It's early. I just don't get the choice with the alternatives. It's like they tried to split the middle between a gadget player and future base personnel WR instead of picking a lane. There was a better or comparable gadget guy available later and way more complete WRs on the board whether they wanted a slot or outside WR.


i honestly think it was they were just trying to give jones as much talent around him as possible while meeting value. at 20, the value was there. several teams were reported to be high on him and he doesnt get much further. I think giants front office knows its eval year for jones. he plays well and sticks or other plans are made. unfortunately that decision made have to be made even with jones playing well enough to win. i mean...if i told you 2 months ago jones would have ONE turnover through 3 and we be 0-3 you would think somet5hing went VERY wrong. we are there...

overall, toney looks slippery and I think he needs to get WAY more targets, espeically with shep and slay sidelined.
I don't think he can get those targets  
AcesUp : 9/26/2021 9:44 pm : link
If he can't get on the field outside of scripts. That's why Colin Johnson and CJ Board were out there. Garrett drawing up obvious trick plays for him in the dirt isn't going to help this offense. He needs to be an integrated part of the offense that provides optionality. I don't think it's there with him given the longer learning curve for a guy that took a while to get going in college and the limited offseason.
RE: I don't think he can get those targets  
BleedBlue : 9/26/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15386053 AcesUp said:
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If he can't get on the field outside of scripts. That's why Colin Johnson and CJ Board were out there. Garrett drawing up obvious trick plays for him in the dirt isn't going to help this offense. He needs to be an integrated part of the offense that provides optionality. I don't think it's there with him given the longer learning curve for a guy that took a while to get going in college and the limited offseason.


he cant run a comeback? a drag? put the ball in his hands...not everything has to be perfectly in the system. its okay to get creative and give guys who make plays the ball....i just dont buy that he cant contribute...im not saying he will be running the entire route tree and dominating, but a drag? come on...SEC football, not some bumfuck community college
Well  
AcesUp : 9/26/2021 9:55 pm : link
We don't run a ton of drags in this offense but the simple north south stuff that we run ad naseum should be right in his wheelhouse because of how quick he gets to top speed so you're probably right there.
Your qb prefers throwing to the harmless  
HomerJones45 : 9/26/2021 9:57 pm : link
Johnson is a bum. Couldn’t make that aerial circus in Jacksonville. CJ Board is a special teams player. DC’s are more than happy to see Danny throw passes to these guys who are totally harmless instead of targeting guys like Galloway, Toney or Barkley who are actual threats.
All these toys  
Giants73 : 9/26/2021 10:01 pm : link
To be given to coaches with no ingenuity. No crossing routes, looks like basic pass plays. Don’t see levels pulling dbs out of their zones. No double moves. Could give these guys Rice in his prime and he would look like CJ Board
RE: All these toys  
prdave73 : 9/26/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15386110 Giants73 said:
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To be given to coaches with no ingenuity. No crossing routes, looks like basic pass plays. Don’t see levels pulling dbs out of their zones. No double moves. Could give these guys Rice in his prime and he would look like CJ Board


I could see this Toney thrive with the Cardinals offense, Patriots yikes, many teams would be giddy to have such a weapon. Look it's as easy as, use him like Florida did?! Or better yet get their offensive coordinator?!
Toney practiced  
allstarjim : 9/26/2021 10:53 pm : link
3 times before the season started. As a rookie, you're not going to establish chemistry with your QB or have the trust of the coaches with 3 practices. Toney's slow start is completely bc of the fact he didn't get the time on the practice field prior to the season. I suspect as we get closer to midseason you're going to see him get more looks and be more involved.
How many practices  
Giants73 : 9/26/2021 11:01 pm : link
Did #15 have, Johnson or whatever his name is? Guess a guy cut by the Jags is far superior and games chemistry quickly
RE: How many practices  
allstarjim : 9/26/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15386275 Giants73 said:
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Did #15 have, Johnson or whatever his name is? Guess a guy cut by the Jags is far superior and games chemistry quickly


He's not a rookie, for one. For two, arguably he did practice more than Toney before the season.
RE: …  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/26/2021 11:34 pm : link
In comment 15385904 christian said:
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Guys, playing receiver is prohibitively difficult. Toney has to learn the difference between 8.5 and 8 yards.

He can’t be expected to play WR, return punts, or return kicks 3 games into the season.


LoL.
People act  
Giantfootball025 : 9/26/2021 11:44 pm : link
as if while not practicing Toney wasn't learning the playbook. He knows what to do I'm sure. The fact is 2 starting WRs went down and they gave more burn to a WR who was claimed off waivers over our first round pick. Raises an eyebrow for sure imo. Toney looked good when they gave him the ball.
RE: Toney is an undersized possession WR with 4.5 speed  
Toth029 : 9/27/2021 3:04 am : link
In comment 15385907 cosmicj said:
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You don’t scheme to get him the ball. It’s not like he’s Randy Moss.


He's 6'0" and 193 lbs. Not that small.
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