Nice to have playmakers out there - Shep, Slayton and Engram are mediocre. There was a noticeable difference today.
Sheep’s rock solid for the role he plays now. But I actually think it helped Jones to not have Shep available as a security blanket today. Forced him to find Golladay and Toney often
I really like Shepard, but I do think we got a couple of first downs to Toney today which just wouldn’t have been there with Shepard. Shepard is pretty dependable in the slot when fit but Toney suddeness is such a weapon
Had to lean on Jones and he delivered in a big way. Playcalling and conservative approach still a problem though. This offense has potential to be explosive but you gotta take the governor off the golf cart. I understand the need to set up the defense but the Giants still tapping in to their potential until their backs are up against the wall. Barkley running routes beyond the line of scrimmage, Jones using zone read and RPO back to back plays, opposite field screen plays, etc. It's one deep shot and Fisher Price until crunch time like every week. How about not waiting until the game is in question?
Enough complaining though, great win on the road. Awesome performance by Jones, we don't win that without a great QB game.
I'm no longer convinced we need to go away from him.
Today told me that the vast majority of the problems are in coaching. The offensive line that gettleman didn't do a good enough job of stocking for us while spending tens of millions on overrated defenders.
Why the heck was Toney not used until now?
Why the heck is Barkley not set up to get into space more? It's clear Barkley is still explosive...but he's put in too many situations to fail. Running into 8 man boxes on 3/4 of his carries behind a line that is progressing in run blocking but is still miserable at dominating the line of scrimmage.
I allowed myself to express optimism about the Giants' chances, which I almost never do.
And it happened.
Now a good week of being able to dream about shocking the world in Dallas.
Giants actually have a shot to win next week if they play the same way as this week. Dallas doesn't have the same defense New Orleans has. On the other hand, they have one of the best offenses in the league.
For the first time in his career, Daniel Jones played like a franchise QB. That's got to feel good. Let's see more of that, please
Dallas’ defense has been good at generating turnovers though. Next week will prove a lot either way.
RE: Got to stop running Barkley on first down in first half
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
They just have to stop running him between the tackles on first. Have to run him on stretch plays and tosses and get him in space. Not running every first down would help too
I'm no longer convinced we need to go away from him.
Today told me that the vast majority of the problems are in coaching. The offensive line that gettleman didn't do a good enough job of stocking for us while spending tens of millions on overrated defenders.
Why the heck was Toney not used until now?
Why the heck is Barkley not set up to get into space more? It's clear Barkley is still explosive...but he's put in too many situations to fail. Running into 8 man boxes on 3/4 of his carries behind a line that is progressing in run blocking but is still miserable at dominating the line of scrimmage.
I don't think they were confident he knew the playbook until just now. Do we want to lose a game because he runs right Daniel throws left and it results in a pick 6?
Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
if glennon is playing qb we cant win anything
Of course, that's the risk. But every time Jones runs (like in the Washington game) - the offense looks almost elite. Every time it's removed - they struggle.
After Taysom's 2nd touchdown I got so disgusted that I turned off the game and went to take a nap. I can't remember the last time I missed even a single snap, preseason included. It's been years, if ever. The pervasive though in my mind was "and now there will be a big comeback and I will have missed it"
You're welcome!
Now you know what Parcells would say.
RE: Got to stop running Barkley on first down in first half
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
Ross has been a football player. He runs good routes, he adjusts, he makes athletic catches with soft hands. Except he drops a ton and is always injured. This nonsense about him not being a football player is Hooey, though. a tad similar to another player we have on offense. He can be amazing, or aggravating. Little in between.
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
Ross has been a football player. He runs good routes, he adjusts, he makes athletic catches with soft hands. Except he drops a ton and is always injured. This nonsense about him not being a football player is Hooey, though. a tad similar to another player we have on offense. He can be amazing, or aggravating. Little in between.
To be fair, dropping a ton of passes would make you the opposite of a good football player when your job is to catch passes.
RE: It looks like we found our LT for the next decade
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
Ross has been a football player. He runs good routes, he adjusts, he makes athletic catches with soft hands. Except he drops a ton and is always injured. This nonsense about him not being a football player is Hooey, though. a tad similar to another player we have on offense. He can be amazing, or aggravating. Little in between.
Ok, whatever.
He needs to build off this game and do what he is paid to do. And what has been expected from him for years.
RE: RE: It looks like we found our LT for the next decade
Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
I agree completely.
Jones and Thomas are foundational pieces, and he added Toney and an extra 1st rounder next year, but it still feels like he got lucky.
Let's take what he's given us and let someone else build on it. If that happens, the DG tenure could be looked back at as a great success.
Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
Jones played exceptionally well.
The OL pass blocking was excellent. Thomas was phenomenal.
Two problems:
No real running game.
No pressure.
Coach Sale has done a great job with all the changes on the OL. Thomas really has improved. I am still hoping Peart plays a factor. Good snaps from Price.
Agree, they need to use the pass to set up the run. They did not even have Sheppard today. Very diverse group of weapons on this team.
Yeah, it's looking like after many years we may have found a guy who can coach offensive line. Thomas continues to develop well and the spare parts are holding together. That's a huge factor in Jones starting to show some improvement.
RE: RE: RE: It looks like we found our LT for the next decade
Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
Or the Bears simply made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
RE: RE: RE: It looks like we found our LT for the next decade
Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
If I remember correctly, it was Colombo who really banged the table for him.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the OL coaching during the game. The coaches backs were against the wall and the unit generally played well. Huge props in a very difficult situation.
Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
if glennon is playing qb we cant win anything
How do you know that? Giants had some impressive receivers today that made plays as did bark
Jones played exceptionally well.
The OL pass blocking was excellent. Thomas was phenomenal.
Two problems:
No real running game.
No pressure.
Coach Sale has done a great job with all the changes on the OL. Thomas really has improved. I am still hoping Peart plays a factor. Good snaps from Price.
Agree, they need to use the pass to set up the run. They did not even have Sheppard today. Very diverse group of weapons on this team.
Yeah, it's looking like after many years we may have found a guy who can coach offensive line. Thomas continues to develop well and the spare parts are holding together. That's a huge factor in Jones starting to show some improvement.
No sacks given up today! Very good pass pro today. Run blocking can be a lot better though. Skura certainly looked the part too.
are you that obtuse? Half the message board has already given up on Daniel Jones as a QB. In fact - there was a thread dedicated to it. A few of the normal team bashers have said, daily, that Jones is a “bad QB.”
Those same posters also said we shouldn’t even bother getting off the bus today.
So yeah - it feels good.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It looks like we found our LT for the next decade
Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
If I remember correctly, it was Colombo who really banged the table for him.
Earnie traded down in the first round and took Kiwanuka. The irony is that after trading down he wanted to take Kelly Jennings, a CB from Miami, but deferred to the rest of the room because they wanted Kiwi.
Jones was absolutely fantastic. He is FAR from the biggest problem with this team. Loved seeing Golladay breakout in a big way. Barkley looked good and even Toney contributed in a strong way. Weird the offense played this well without Shep and Slayton. Nice to finally get a big win and in a stadium that has been somewhat of a house of horrors for this franchise, too. Win next week and we're right back in this thing.
Nice game by the offense and the defense. The Big Cat scratched! Great to see da Yung Joka out there. He looks like a play maker. Great game by Barkley. Great game by Jones. Great game by Kenny G! The O line was terrific. And the coaches were dialed in. Aside from Gano’s early miss the Giants played terrific complimentary football.
missed the game - was at a family gathering for grandkids' birthdays -
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Nice to have playmakers out there - Shep, Slayton and Engram are mediocre. There was a noticeable difference today.
Sheep’s rock solid for the role he plays now. But I actually think it helped Jones to not have Shep available as a security blanket today. Forced him to find Golladay and Toney often
I really like Shepard, but I do think we got a couple of first downs to Toney today which just wouldn’t have been there with Shepard. Shepard is pretty dependable in the slot when fit but Toney suddeness is such a weapon
Miss Martinez.
Good point!
Hilarious. I read this and thought, “The Giants didn’t get any pass rush today.”
It is a weapon to have somebody who can go get extra YAC and get 1st downs. Jones has been missing this his whole career so far
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I'm happy for Barkley - but if he loses that fumble it's Chernobyl.
Good point!
Agreed. But we needed and deserve a little luck given the way this season has gone so far.
its the season next week.
Enough complaining though, great win on the road. Awesome performance by Jones, we don't win that without a great QB game.
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What Dallas has been doing very good again is running the ball.
Miss Martinez.
Yes because next week Elliott will be averaging 5 yards a carry and we won’t get off the field again.
Today told me that the vast majority of the problems are in coaching. The offensive line that gettleman didn't do a good enough job of stocking for us while spending tens of millions on overrated defenders.
Why the heck was Toney not used until now?
Why the heck is Barkley not set up to get into space more? It's clear Barkley is still explosive...but he's put in too many situations to fail. Running into 8 man boxes on 3/4 of his carries behind a line that is progressing in run blocking but is still miserable at dominating the line of scrimmage.
its the season next week.
You are one miserable human being. Did Judge steal your lunch money today?
I was so caught up in the game that I failed to realize that!
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
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I allowed myself to express optimism about the Giants' chances, which I almost never do.
And it happened.
Now a good week of being able to dream about shocking the world in Dallas.
Giants actually have a shot to win next week if they play the same way as this week. Dallas doesn't have the same defense New Orleans has. On the other hand, they have one of the best offenses in the league.
For the first time in his career, Daniel Jones played like a franchise QB. That's got to feel good. Let's see more of that, please
Dallas’ defense has been good at generating turnovers though. Next week will prove a lot either way.
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
He's been really good when healthy. That's the problem, he gets hurt a lot and doesn't play well when he's hurt.
Let's hope he stays healthy!
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
They just have to stop running him between the tackles on first. Have to run him on stretch plays and tosses and get him in space. Not running every first down would help too
Today told me that the vast majority of the problems are in coaching. The offensive line that gettleman didn't do a good enough job of stocking for us while spending tens of millions on overrated defenders.
Why the heck was Toney not used until now?
Why the heck is Barkley not set up to get into space more? It's clear Barkley is still explosive...but he's put in too many situations to fail. Running into 8 man boxes on 3/4 of his carries behind a line that is progressing in run blocking but is still miserable at dominating the line of scrimmage.
I don't think they were confident he knew the playbook until just now. Do we want to lose a game because he runs right Daniel throws left and it results in a pick 6?
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suck it :)
What is your repeated issue with boomers? Suck it little punk bitch
^^This^^
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
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Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
if glennon is playing qb we cant win anything
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Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
if glennon is playing qb we cant win anything
Of course, that's the risk. But every time Jones runs (like in the Washington game) - the offense looks almost elite. Every time it's removed - they struggle.
You're welcome!
Now you know what Parcells would say.
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
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of games. Basically wasting a down.
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
Ross has been a football player. He runs good routes, he adjusts, he makes athletic catches with soft hands. Except he drops a ton and is always injured. This nonsense about him not being a football player is Hooey, though. a tad similar to another player we have on offense. He can be amazing, or aggravating. Little in between.
To be fair, dropping a ton of passes would make you the opposite of a good football player when your job is to catch passes.
Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
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of games. Basically wasting a down.
Get the ball in the hands of Golladay, Toney and keepers with Jones.
Ross finally turning into a football player? That would be helpful too.
Ross has been a football player. He runs good routes, he adjusts, he makes athletic catches with soft hands. Except he drops a ton and is always injured. This nonsense about him not being a football player is Hooey, though. a tad similar to another player we have on offense. He can be amazing, or aggravating. Little in between.
Ok, whatever.
He needs to build off this game and do what he is paid to do. And what has been expected from him for years.
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Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
I agree completely.
Jones and Thomas are foundational pieces, and he added Toney and an extra 1st rounder next year, but it still feels like he got lucky.
Let's take what he's given us and let someone else build on it. If that happens, the DG tenure could be looked back at as a great success.
It’s weird to be a Jones fan first and a Giants fan second.
The Giants win a meaningful game for the first time in a long time, and all you can think about is attacking other fans about Jones.
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Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
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Jones played exceptionally well.
The OL pass blocking was excellent. Thomas was phenomenal.
Two problems:
No real running game.
No pressure.
Coach Sale has done a great job with all the changes on the OL. Thomas really has improved. I am still hoping Peart plays a factor. Good snaps from Price.
Agree, they need to use the pass to set up the run. They did not even have Sheppard today. Very diverse group of weapons on this team.
Yeah, it's looking like after many years we may have found a guy who can coach offensive line. Thomas continues to develop well and the spare parts are holding together. That's a huge factor in Jones starting to show some improvement.
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Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
Or the Bears simply made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
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Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
If I remember correctly, it was Colombo who really banged the table for him.
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Were the two runs in OT. Forced the defense to honor the run. That www huge.
Totally agree. I guess the logic is that he can put it on the ground, or get hurt. But, there's no question he can run and can make a defense scared. He's like Hill who can throw - have no idea why Garrett refuses to use him.
if glennon is playing qb we cant win anything
How do you know that? Giants had some impressive receivers today that made plays as did bark
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Jones played exceptionally well.
The OL pass blocking was excellent. Thomas was phenomenal.
Two problems:
No real running game.
No pressure.
Coach Sale has done a great job with all the changes on the OL. Thomas really has improved. I am still hoping Peart plays a factor. Good snaps from Price.
Agree, they need to use the pass to set up the run. They did not even have Sheppard today. Very diverse group of weapons on this team.
Yeah, it's looking like after many years we may have found a guy who can coach offensive line. Thomas continues to develop well and the spare parts are holding together. That's a huge factor in Jones starting to show some improvement.
No sacks given up today! Very good pass pro today. Run blocking can be a lot better though. Skura certainly looked the part too.
Those same posters also said we shouldn’t even bother getting off the bus today.
So yeah - it feels good.
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Actually it was Gettleman who found him. And maybe he hit on Toney as well. This is not to say that I want DG here next year. I don't.
Is that really so? Not rain on the parade but the toney pick was a trade down; something gettle has never done in his career. At the age of 70 and being mentored by earne —who also never did it; it’s head for me to believe it wasn’t Garrett or judge
If I remember correctly, it was Colombo who really banged the table for him.
Earnie traded down in the first round and took Kiwanuka. The irony is that after trading down he wanted to take Kelly Jennings, a CB from Miami, but deferred to the rest of the room because they wanted Kiwi.
Reese never traded down.
- nearly drove off the road when I heard on the radio driving home that the Giants won
- just watched extended highlights - holy moly, that was some comeback and Jones was awesome!