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Dan in the Springs : 10/4/2021 9:45 am
I know many don't feel bad for EE, maybe lots did but he's been involved in so many negative plays for so many years that he's soured most of the fans against him. Having said that, I wanted to see if some of you agree with this observation.

It seems to me that EE needs time to pick up the ball in flight. He seems to especially struggle with quick throws, and/or throws shown a short distance, and has decent hands when he has time to turn his head around and track the ball. Am I alone in this observation?

Reason I ask is that it drives me nuts to AGAIN see him running these 3 yard drag routes or the stick routes on 3rd and 7. I think he needs more time to look back for the ball and track it into his hands.

I know we all want to see him run deep into the seam to take advantage of his speed, but to me it's more about giving him time to get his eyes on the ball.

Thoughts?
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RE: He's struggling with  
Gman11 : 10/4/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15398189 JonC said:
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focus and confidence, when you worry about fumbling you'll likely fumble.

He's a mental error machine. They've got to fix his confidence, otherwise it's time to go.


Fix his confidence? They've been telling him how great he is since the moment they drafted him!
You know what he needs?  
bradshaw44 : 10/4/2021 3:14 pm : link
A good old fashioned Montage. 1980's style.

Evan should go out and chop down trees in the woods with an ax. Learn to run on wet cement without making a foot print. Catch paint pellets while someone rapid fires a paintball gun at him, and he doesn't wear any gear to give himself that extra urgency.

Do all that with some good Hair Band music in the background, and we will have the best damn TE this league has ever seen.
I would love to see the Giants try to get Engram loose down the seam..  
Walker Gillette : 10/4/2021 3:24 pm : link
SO much of what they do are the quick throws or outlet passes when Jones was pressured. The OLine is pass blocking a lot better and Jones seems to have more time so maybe that can be an option. With Engram's speed may be he can be a threat there and if the ball bounces off his hands it's more likely to hit the ground than it is when he's in traffic 4 yards from the LOS!
RE: You know what he needs?  
Dnew15 : 10/4/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15398786 bradshaw44 said:
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A good old fashioned Montage. 1980's style.

Evan should go out and chop down trees in the woods with an ax. Learn to run on wet cement without making a foot print. Catch paint pellets while someone rapid fires a paintball gun at him, and he doesn't wear any gear to give himself that extra urgency.

Do all that with some good Hair Band music in the background, and we will have the best damn TE this league has ever seen.


He's the best...around...

Nothing's ever gonna keep him down...
So it's likely a mental thing  
rasbutant : 10/4/2021 4:13 pm : link
So fans response is to boo him off the field.

Doesn't sound like something you should do if you want him to help your team.

Sometimes you get what you put out into the world.
RE: RE: You know what he needs?  
bradshaw44 : 10/4/2021 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15398906 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 15398786 bradshaw44 said:


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A good old fashioned Montage. 1980's style.

Evan should go out and chop down trees in the woods with an ax. Learn to run on wet cement without making a foot print. Catch paint pellets while someone rapid fires a paintball gun at him, and he doesn't wear any gear to give himself that extra urgency.

Do all that with some good Hair Band music in the background, and we will have the best damn TE this league has ever seen.



He's the best...around...

Nothing's ever gonna keep him down...


Exactly what I had in mind.
RE: RE: RE: .  
djm : 10/5/2021 12:32 am : link
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Regardless of how this season goes, I want Dave Gettleman out of the building, and I am hoping Evan Engram goes too.



Love this take. so if the giants get hot here and lets say go 9-8, with the likes of Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Thomas and Toney all playing well, all DG first rounders, you still want him gone. What if they go 11-6? Still want him gone...why?



Another Dave Gettleman props comment?

First win comes on Oct 3rd and your worried about what happens when they win 10 of their next 13 games and need to extend the GM. Strong post.


Did I say that? No. Dumb ass post.
He is an athlete...  
EricJ : 10/5/2021 6:12 am : link
but he is not a football player.... period
He should be gone  
cjac : 10/5/2021 6:55 am : link
By the end of October

If they can get a 3rd round pick for him I’ll be happy. A ton of talent coming out of this next draft class.
RE: He should be gone  
aquidneck : 10/5/2021 7:13 am : link
In comment 15399573 cjac said:
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By the end of October

If they can get a 3rd round pick for him I’ll be happy. A ton of talent coming out of this next draft class.


I'd be shocked if they dumped him.

Despite his faults, he's a weapon as far as defenses are concerned. And I'm pretty sure the Giants staff sees him that way as well. He's a starter on the depth chart and in the game plan week after week.

Best at this point to just hope for the best, I think.

He's a FA at the end of the year, right? Most likely he gets a new start and finds greener pastures in '22. We'll collect our compensatory draft pick the year after.
RE: RE: He should be gone  
EricJ : 10/5/2021 7:43 am : link
In comment 15399581 aquidneck said:
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In comment 15399573 cjac said:

Despite his faults, he's a weapon as far as defenses are concerned.


please tell me how he is a weapon. He cannot catch and he cannot block. He is a liability. If anything, defenses love seeing him in the lineup.
RE: RE: RE: He should be gone  
aquidneck : 10/5/2021 7:56 am : link
In comment 15399586 EricJ said:
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In comment 15399573 cjac said:

Despite his faults, he's a weapon as far as defenses are concerned.



please tell me how he is a weapon. He cannot catch and he cannot block. He is a liability. If anything, defenses love seeing him in the lineup.


I'm not qualified to answer your question. You should ask Judge, Garrett and Kitchens.
The problem is that he is  
section125 : 10/5/2021 8:58 am : link
a weapon if he is used correctly. He has the speed and size to eat up safeties and LBs. Problem is he drops too many catchable balls. Yes, the one across the middle was behind him a bit. Bet Gronk, Kelce, Kittle or even your average TEs make that catch. If every ball to the TE needs to be perfect then you have the wrong TE.

JJ/DG need to consider whether they plan on re-signing him for next year. If not, trade him for what they can get. I think he is a worker and a good guy - liked by teammates, but staying in NY is not helping the Giants or him.
RE: He should be gone  
cosmicj : 10/5/2021 9:04 am : link
In comment 15399573 cjac said:
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By the end of October

If they can get a 3rd round pick for him I’ll be happy. A ton of talent coming out of this next draft class.


My theory is that they tried to trade him in the offseason and there were no takers at his salary.
Use him exclusively as a  
xman : 10/5/2021 10:54 am : link
decoy
Being used incorrectly  
fkap : 10/5/2021 11:34 am : link
may account for low productivity.

It is NOT an excuse for drops, fumbles, turnovers.
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