. .. but surprised you weren't a little more concerned about the Barkley fumble. Not that he has a history of fumbling per se, but the Giants seem to have had their fair share of fumbles this year; but they are recovering most of them. Sooner or later that luck goes the other way, and the Giants were incredibly lucky that didn't turn out to be a bigger problem than it was.
But in any event, definitely a positive game and wonderful to see the Giants actually find a way to win a close game.
. .. but surprised you weren't a little more concerned about the Barkley fumble. Not that he has a history of fumbling per se, but the Giants seem to have had their fair share of fumbles this year; but they are recovering most of them. Sooner or later that luck goes the other way, and the Giants were incredibly lucky that didn't turn out to be a bigger problem than it was.
But in any event, definitely a positive game and wonderful to see the Giants actually find a way to win a close game.
He did mention the fumble. What more did you want him to say?
Can you explain why the Giants have 5 defensive backs on the field almost regardless of down, distance, situation, and perhaps most importantly, the offense’s personnel? There was a play in which the Saints had 6 offensive linemen, their fullback, Taysom Hill, Kumara, and a wide receiver. Hill went in motion and the Saints handed it off to Kumara who ran for easy yardage behind the extra lineman. Even when the opponent has three wides on the field, the Giants struggle to stop the run with 5 DBs out there.
And I don’t care what Sy says, I’m so excited (about John Ross) and I just can’t hide it. The first down play action with 12 personnel and keeping Rudolph in to block is the stuff I’ve been wanting the Giants to do since Shurmer was still here.
. .. but surprised you weren't a little more concerned about the Barkley fumble. Not that he has a history of fumbling per se, but the Giants seem to have had their fair share of fumbles this year; but they are recovering most of them. Sooner or later that luck goes the other way, and the Giants were incredibly lucky that didn't turn out to be a bigger problem than it was.
That was Barkley's 2nd career fumble. It would've sucked if NO recovered it but given his history no one should really be concerned at this point in time.
. .. but surprised you weren't a little more concerned about the Barkley fumble. Not that he has a history of fumbling per se, but the Giants seem to have had their fair share of fumbles this year; but they are recovering most of them. Sooner or later that luck goes the other way, and the Giants were incredibly lucky that didn't turn out to be a bigger problem than it was.
But in any event, definitely a positive game and wonderful to see the Giants actually find a way to win a close game.
He did mention the fumble. What more did you want him to say?
He mentioned it, just didn't seem to draw the same conclusion I did. I'm not trying to tell him how to do reviews, he's the pro though ;-)
My basic concern is that while the turn over numbers look really nice, the truth is the odds say that sooner-or-later we start losing those fumbles and they look 'less' good. But I'm a deeply cynical person so maybe I just can't properly enjoy the win?
On the debit side of the ledger, what a disappointment the trio of former 3rd pound picks in Carter, Ximines, and Peart have been.
I don’t think it’s really fair to include Peart in this. He’s a raw player who’s entering his 2nd season.. Carter and X are what they are at this point
On the debit side of the ledger, what a disappointment the trio of former 3rd pound picks in Carter, Ximines, and Peart have been.
I don’t think it’s really fair to include Peart in this. He’s a raw player who’s entering his 2nd season.. Carter and X are what they are at this point
I think it's fair. They wanted him to beat out Soldier and gave him every shot to do so but he wasn't able. Doesn't mean he's a bust, but he has disappointed.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on Ross vs Slayton upon Slayton's return? It's one game for Ross and he has to stay on healthy but I'm curious if you think Ross's speed should put him on the field over Slayton to add an extra element for the defense to account for?
Easy call for me….play Ross until he gets Injuried, which he will.
that should have been a give but the guard got blown up on and a miscommunication on the outside. So what do you do as QB in that situation? You are taught to follow a “missed read” aka the RB through the hole. Thankfully the rest of the OL did their job. Seriously underrated job by Danny there.
I didn't see anyone run a route
Ive watched that play like 10 times and still don’t know what to make of it because the guard got beat so bad. DJ clearly is looking to to throw after he reads the run give, but the WRs run two short curls and it looks like a sell. Why have DJ look to throw their way if it’s a called draw after a run fake? Just seems like an awfully long developing play down there. This team is woefully bad in redzone and I think that was just a heads up play by DJ. I’ll be curious if they get asked about it.
I think it was a busted play as well. Jones just made it work himself finding the late crease.
Even when you want to lose games so you can draft Chase Young who is, by the way, NOT one of the 191 players in the NFL who have a sack this season. His 2 QB hits, however, are indeed tied for 102nd in the NFL along with the likes of former Giant Kyler Fackrell, Chiefs safety Daniel Sorenson, and Jets cornerback Bryce Hall.
Pretty much agree with the rest of the review, both good and bad.
My big positive takeaway is that the positives from last week are things that can be building blocks going forward:
Letting Jones be an NFL QB
Gollaway playing like a bully
Williams forcing his will on the line
Barklay used in space
Thomas "set it and forget it" at LT
Ross de-cleating DBs at the snap
Garret calling plays that hit receivers in stride
RE: RE: RE: Was the two point conversion a QB draw? I’m pretty sure it was an RPO
that should have been a give but the guard got blown up on and a miscommunication on the outside. So what do you do as QB in that situation? You are taught to follow a “missed read” aka the RB through the hole. Thankfully the rest of the OL did their job. Seriously underrated job by Danny there.
I didn't see anyone run a route
Ive watched that play like 10 times and still don’t know what to make of it because the guard got beat so bad. DJ clearly is looking to to throw after he reads the run give, but the WRs run two short curls and it looks like a sell. Why have DJ look to throw their way if it’s a called draw after a run fake? Just seems like an awfully long developing play down there. This team is woefully bad in redzone and I think that was just a heads up play by DJ. I’ll be curious if they get asked about it.
It was a QB draw. Just watched "Sights and Sounds" after the 2 point conversion play and Saquon is talking to the RB coach and said he told Daniel that Lattimore was reading his eyes, so look toward him to freeze Lattimore...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Was the two point conversion a QB draw? I’m pretty sure it was an RPO
It was a QB draw. Just watched "Sights and Sounds" after the 2 point conversion play and Saquon is talking to the RB coach and said he told Daniel that Lattimore was reading his eyes, so look toward him to freeze Lattimore...
I just watched that video because that makes no sense….he was referring to the TD play not the Two point conversion.
Is he being turned loose to rush ala Shaq Barrett or is he being asked to play the run first. His inability to make a difference is really disappointing if he's in the pass rush mix. It's difficult to decipher with Grahams scheme who is and isn't coming.
This is an above average offense trending toward a top 10 offense. Get on board.
Agreed, but they need to be better at finishing in the red zone. Doing so with a Saquon run when it counted most in OT is a great sign. But red zone whiffs earlier in the game could have cost them, as they did against WFT and Atlanta.
But that aside, great review as always Sy. Glad to hear positive write up of the OL. Jones had all day Sunday
We thought this was going to be the slam dunk strength of the team and it's been the most glaring weakness.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
count me as an emotional fan that feels like it's been Groundhog's day for a decade with the offense. There are a lot of positives to take away. Toney emerging is exactly what was needed, and getting Shep back on the field with him can potentially be a great combo. They need to improve in the redzone desperately if there's any chance of turning the season around.
Watching Shelton during the broadcast, I thought his losing ground repeatedly stood out which is surprising given his rep. Was he getting doubled or was he getting whooped 1v1 if I can be lazy and ask you?
Thanks for taking a shot at the great Chase "let me sprint around the edge and get 8 yards past the QB" Young. Enjoyed that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Was the two point conversion a QB draw? I’m pretty sure it was an RPO
I just watched that video because that makes no sense….he was referring to the TD play not the Two point conversion.
You may be right, but it makes sense. If you look out to that side the DB must watch for a pass that way as do the LBs on that side and it looks as if Barkley is in motion to that side.
As for the TD pass to Barkley, if Jones looks toward Lattimore's side then Lattimore is expecting a pass in his direction. Last thing Jones and Barkley want is Lattimore trailing Barkley although I think the TD play is zone coverage that Barkley is able to get behind the CB and inside the safety.
Excellent intel on Jones and the play-action effectiveness. That's been in my mind since the game ended because it definitely seemed we were getting great results.
Excellent intel on Jones and the play-action effectiveness. That's been in my mind since the game ended because it definitely seemed we were getting great results.
I think the play action is extra effective when it is to Barkley. Teams know that they key is to get Barkly before he gets going so they come down really hard on him. Play action to him will pull the linebackers up and makes those crosses better and the more teams don't attack as hard the more that Barkley should get some running room.
Watching Shelton during the broadcast, I thought his losing ground repeatedly stood out which is surprising given his rep. Was he getting doubled or was he getting whooped 1v1 if I can be lazy and ask you?
Thanks for taking a shot at the great Chase "let me sprint around the edge and get 8 yards past the QB" Young. Enjoyed that.
It stood out like a sore thumb. I mean he was being knocked back 5 yards a pop (it seemed).
It's been a while. One question I have for Sy, it appeared to me that Garrett ran the ball more in the 2nd half out of spread formations, and I thought that may have played a part in Saquon's better play. Did the tape bear that out, or just my wishful thinking?
I hadn't followed Shelton's career and just assumed he was a good run stopper.
No.
Really, Johnson & Shelton are not replacing Tomlinson and Hill, and it's shown up IMO.
The S situation has fallen apart. It's easy to assume everything's Mr. Rogers neighborhood but in reality, Peppers lost his job to McKinney in a contract year. That isn't going to sit well especially with McKinney not just a non-factor, but hurting the team at times.
I hadn't followed Shelton's career and just assumed he was a good run stopper.
No.
Really, Johnson & Shelton are not replacing Tomlinson and Hill, and it's shown up IMO.
The S situation has fallen apart. It's easy to assume everything's Mr. Rogers neighborhood but in reality, Peppers lost his job to McKinney in a contract year. That isn't going to sit well especially with McKinney not just a non-factor, but hurting the team at times.
Peppers and McKinney are not really playing the same position or at least not the same responsibility.
I’m not sure whether the drive stalled, or they played to tie. I only watched the game the one time, but I remember fairly conservative play calling for that point of the game.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on Ross vs Slayton upon Slayton's return? It's one game for Ross and he has to stay on healthy but I'm curious if you think Ross's speed should put him on the field over Slayton to add an extra element for the defense to account for?
You have to play the hot hand. Ross deserves the nod over Slayton and to be honest, Slayton has not delivered after his rookie season. Drops, poor vs contact, and injuries have me thinking his days are numbered once the rookie deal is over.
I look forward each week to your write ups - the professional view.
I agree that the offense has been on the verge for a while. Once Garrett appeared to take the training wheels off, they looked like an NFL offense.
Last week I was ready to give up on Barkley. This week, after the TD catch, he appeared more aggressive with the ball in his hands. (yes he has been missing holes all year - maybe just rust of seeing and reacting?)
Question:
1.) Has Jones improved his ability to make the correct reads
2.) Has he improved going through his progressions - maybe more of a function of just having a second or two more to get past the first or second...
Jones looks more assertive, yes. I would say his progression mentally looks apparent but also, the OL playing above average and the usage of placation has simply given him more time.
Can you explain why the Giants have 5 defensive backs on the field almost regardless of down, distance, situation, and perhaps most importantly, the offense’s personnel? There was a play in which the Saints had 6 offensive linemen, their fullback, Taysom Hill, Kumara, and a wide receiver. Hill went in motion and the Saints handed it off to Kumara who ran for easy yardage behind the extra lineman. Even when the opponent has three wides on the field, the Giants struggle to stop the run with 5 DBs out there.
And I don’t care what Sy says, I’m so excited (about John Ross) and I just can’t hide it. The first down play action with 12 personnel and keeping Rudolph in to block is the stuff I’ve been wanting the Giants to do since Shurmer was still here.
I have a hard time explaining that but I do think their backup linebackers just don't inspire confidence in this coaching staff. They probably think they're better off with the safeties in there even though they lack size and power against the run
Is he being turned loose to rush ala Shaq Barrett or is he being asked to play the run first. His inability to make a difference is really disappointing if he's in the pass rush mix. It's difficult to decipher with Grahams scheme who is and isn't coming.
He is being turned loose plenty. He isn't effective, period.
We thought this was going to be the slam dunk strength of the team and it's been the most glaring weakness.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
It is concerning. Part of it is on the pass rush but I also think these guys are simply playing too soft. Soft coverage (fear of getting beat) combined with poor pass rush is a recipe for disaster.
We thought this was going to be the slam dunk strength of the team and it's been the most glaring weakness.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
It is concerning. Part of it is on the pass rush but I also think these guys are simply playing too soft. Soft coverage (fear of getting beat) combined with a poor pass rush is a recipe for disaster.
Sy, I read your post above as a philosophical issue more so than individual players choosing to play soft. From my view, playing soft in coverage seems to be a theme for the secondary versus a player or two. If Graham's instructions are for tighter coverage, then the players would be openly refusing instruction.
has been really quiet! Those thinking he can replace Peppers should hold that notion. Post game let us know Peppers was hurt 3 plays prior to giving up the TD but he tried to tough it out.
We thought this was going to be the slam dunk strength of the team and it's been the most glaring weakness.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
It is concerning. Part of it is on the pass rush but I also think these guys are simply playing too soft. Soft coverage (fear of getting beat) combined with poor pass rush is a recipe for disaster.
As I was reading the game narrative, I half expected them to lose. Maybe from reading too many of these summaries and seeing a pattern.
The offensive analysis at the end was excellent. With the draft resources invested in the offense the past few years it would be great to see that unit become a true strength of the team. Hopefully last week's game is prelude of what is to come.
My biggest concern regarding the O is points. We just are not scoring enough points no matter how you look at it. The O looks good but you cant score less than 20 2 out of 4 games and expect to win.
I have a hard time explaining that but I do think their backup linebackers just don't inspire confidence in this coaching staff. They probably think they're better off with the safeties in there even though they lack size and power against the run
Thanks for answering my question. Great work as always.
But in any event, definitely a positive game and wonderful to see the Giants actually find a way to win a close game.
But in any event, definitely a positive game and wonderful to see the Giants actually find a way to win a close game.
He did mention the fumble. What more did you want him to say?
And I don’t care what Sy says, I’m so excited (about John Ross) and I just can’t hide it. The first down play action with 12 personnel and keeping Rudolph in to block is the stuff I’ve been wanting the Giants to do since Shurmer was still here.
Lots of money and resources went to the secondary. Let's hope they turn it around.
That was Barkley's 2nd career fumble. It would've sucked if NO recovered it but given his history no one should really be concerned at this point in time.
Ahhh . . . . !
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. .. but surprised you weren't a little more concerned about the Barkley fumble. Not that he has a history of fumbling per se, but the Giants seem to have had their fair share of fumbles this year; but they are recovering most of them. Sooner or later that luck goes the other way, and the Giants were incredibly lucky that didn't turn out to be a bigger problem than it was.
But in any event, definitely a positive game and wonderful to see the Giants actually find a way to win a close game.
He did mention the fumble. What more did you want him to say?
He mentioned it, just didn't seem to draw the same conclusion I did. I'm not trying to tell him how to do reviews, he's the pro though ;-)
My basic concern is that while the turn over numbers look really nice, the truth is the odds say that sooner-or-later we start losing those fumbles and they look 'less' good. But I'm a deeply cynical person so maybe I just can't properly enjoy the win?
I don’t think it’s really fair to include Peart in this. He’s a raw player who’s entering his 2nd season.. Carter and X are what they are at this point
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On the debit side of the ledger, what a disappointment the trio of former 3rd pound picks in Carter, Ximines, and Peart have been.
I don’t think it’s really fair to include Peart in this. He’s a raw player who’s entering his 2nd season.. Carter and X are what they are at this point
Easy call for me….play Ross until he gets Injuried, which he will.
Why isn’t McKinney playing any better? He doesn’t seem like he has improved since his return at mid season last year.
Peppers….wow, did he get faked out of his jock strap. I hope that was a one time thing.
Bradberry and Jackson look just okay, not anything special. Why not?
I’m hoping our wonderful DC, Patrick Graham, can turn these guys around.
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that should have been a give but the guard got blown up on and a miscommunication on the outside. So what do you do as QB in that situation? You are taught to follow a “missed read” aka the RB through the hole. Thankfully the rest of the OL did their job. Seriously underrated job by Danny there.
I didn't see anyone run a route
Ive watched that play like 10 times and still don’t know what to make of it because the guard got beat so bad. DJ clearly is looking to to throw after he reads the run give, but the WRs run two short curls and it looks like a sell. Why have DJ look to throw their way if it’s a called draw after a run fake? Just seems like an awfully long developing play down there. This team is woefully bad in redzone and I think that was just a heads up play by DJ. I’ll be curious if they get asked about it.
I think it was a busted play as well. Jones just made it work himself finding the late crease.
Pretty much agree with the rest of the review, both good and bad.
My big positive takeaway is that the positives from last week are things that can be building blocks going forward:
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that should have been a give but the guard got blown up on and a miscommunication on the outside. So what do you do as QB in that situation? You are taught to follow a “missed read” aka the RB through the hole. Thankfully the rest of the OL did their job. Seriously underrated job by Danny there.
I didn't see anyone run a route
Ive watched that play like 10 times and still don’t know what to make of it because the guard got beat so bad. DJ clearly is looking to to throw after he reads the run give, but the WRs run two short curls and it looks like a sell. Why have DJ look to throw their way if it’s a called draw after a run fake? Just seems like an awfully long developing play down there. This team is woefully bad in redzone and I think that was just a heads up play by DJ. I’ll be curious if they get asked about it.
It was a QB draw. Just watched "Sights and Sounds" after the 2 point conversion play and Saquon is talking to the RB coach and said he told Daniel that Lattimore was reading his eyes, so look toward him to freeze Lattimore...
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I didn't see anyone run a route
It was a QB draw. Just watched "Sights and Sounds" after the 2 point conversion play and Saquon is talking to the RB coach and said he told Daniel that Lattimore was reading his eyes, so look toward him to freeze Lattimore...
I just watched that video because that makes no sense….he was referring to the TD play not the Two point conversion.
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Some of the most objective numbers I look at from a team offense perspective in relation to the other 31 teams:
Yards Per Play: 8th (6.2)
Turnovers: 3rd (3)
1st Downs: 20th (82)
Penalty Yards: 12th (207)
Score percentage: 12th (41.5)
This is an above average offense trending toward a top 10 offense. Get on board.
Agreed, but they need to be better at finishing in the red zone. Doing so with a Saquon run when it counted most in OT is a great sign. But red zone whiffs earlier in the game could have cost them, as they did against WFT and Atlanta.
But that aside, great review as always Sy. Glad to hear positive write up of the OL. Jones had all day Sunday
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
Thanks for taking a shot at the great Chase "let me sprint around the edge and get 8 yards past the QB" Young. Enjoyed that.
I just watched that video because that makes no sense….he was referring to the TD play not the Two point conversion.
You may be right, but it makes sense. If you look out to that side the DB must watch for a pass that way as do the LBs on that side and it looks as if Barkley is in motion to that side.
As for the TD pass to Barkley, if Jones looks toward Lattimore's side then Lattimore is expecting a pass in his direction. Last thing Jones and Barkley want is Lattimore trailing Barkley although I think the TD play is zone coverage that Barkley is able to get behind the CB and inside the safety.
I think the play action is extra effective when it is to Barkley. Teams know that they key is to get Barkly before he gets going so they come down really hard on him. Play action to him will pull the linebackers up and makes those crosses better and the more teams don't attack as hard the more that Barkley should get some running room.
Play action passes on first down are a great idea.
Thanks for taking a shot at the great Chase "let me sprint around the edge and get 8 yards past the QB" Young. Enjoyed that.
It stood out like a sore thumb. I mean he was being knocked back 5 yards a pop (it seemed).
What I meant there:
Is a great all time Head Coach not winning after his QB left. Just comparing that situation to Payton and NO
No.
Really, Johnson & Shelton are not replacing Tomlinson and Hill, and it's shown up IMO.
The S situation has fallen apart. It's easy to assume everything's Mr. Rogers neighborhood but in reality, Peppers lost his job to McKinney in a contract year. That isn't going to sit well especially with McKinney not just a non-factor, but hurting the team at times.
No.
Really, Johnson & Shelton are not replacing Tomlinson and Hill, and it's shown up IMO.
The S situation has fallen apart. It's easy to assume everything's Mr. Rogers neighborhood but in reality, Peppers lost his job to McKinney in a contract year. That isn't going to sit well especially with McKinney not just a non-factor, but hurting the team at times.
Peppers and McKinney are not really playing the same position or at least not the same responsibility.
You have to play the hot hand. Ross deserves the nod over Slayton and to be honest, Slayton has not delivered after his rookie season. Drops, poor vs contact, and injuries have me thinking his days are numbered once the rookie deal is over.
I agree that the offense has been on the verge for a while. Once Garrett appeared to take the training wheels off, they looked like an NFL offense.
Last week I was ready to give up on Barkley. This week, after the TD catch, he appeared more aggressive with the ball in his hands. (yes he has been missing holes all year - maybe just rust of seeing and reacting?)
Question:
1.) Has Jones improved his ability to make the correct reads
2.) Has he improved going through his progressions - maybe more of a function of just having a second or two more to get past the first or second...
Jones looks more assertive, yes. I would say his progression mentally looks apparent but also, the OL playing above average and the usage of placation has simply given him more time.
And I don’t care what Sy says, I’m so excited (about John Ross) and I just can’t hide it. The first down play action with 12 personnel and keeping Rudolph in to block is the stuff I’ve been wanting the Giants to do since Shurmer was still here.
I have a hard time explaining that but I do think their backup linebackers just don't inspire confidence in this coaching staff. They probably think they're better off with the safeties in there even though they lack size and power against the run
He is being turned loose plenty. He isn't effective, period.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
It is concerning. Part of it is on the pass rush but I also think these guys are simply playing too soft. Soft coverage (fear of getting beat) combined with poor pass rush is a recipe for disaster.
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We thought this was going to be the slam dunk strength of the team and it's been the most glaring weakness.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
It is concerning. Part of it is on the pass rush but I also think these guys are simply playing too soft. Soft coverage (fear of getting beat) combined with a poor pass rush is a recipe for disaster.
Sy, I read your post above as a philosophical issue more so than individual players choosing to play soft. From my view, playing soft in coverage seems to be a theme for the secondary versus a player or two. If Graham's instructions are for tighter coverage, then the players would be openly refusing instruction.
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We thought this was going to be the slam dunk strength of the team and it's been the most glaring weakness.
They need to figure it out, and in like the next 4 days with Dallas looming on Sunday. They are going to get run out of the building if they don't step it up.
It is concerning. Part of it is on the pass rush but I also think these guys are simply playing too soft. Soft coverage (fear of getting beat) combined with poor pass rush is a recipe for disaster.
If it isn't working, why are they using it?
The offensive analysis at the end was excellent. With the draft resources invested in the offense the past few years it would be great to see that unit become a true strength of the team. Hopefully last week's game is prelude of what is to come.
I have a hard time explaining that but I do think their backup linebackers just don't inspire confidence in this coaching staff. They probably think they're better off with the safeties in there even though they lack size and power against the run
Thanks for answering my question. Great work as always.