Evan Engram

Only 13 more games before the EE error, ends.

EE was running right into coverage and DJ led him away. Of course he dropped it. Fortunately EE is too unaware to be embarrassed.

Saints at RT. started all but 1 game since being drafted and playing at a high level. UGH

also showed that Barkley's touchdown reception was only possible because the defense choose to roll coverage to Engram leaving Barkley uncovered? I bet he didn't go over that play. If it wasn't for that touchdown the game ends differently and we should thank Engram ability to cause mismatches for that. So give a man a respite for a week.

running routes that cleared some space for other guys that actually made plays.

The patience that coaching staff must have with him is remarkable. Head-scratching, but nevertheless remarkable.

They have to be thinking that if he can somehow make a few positive plays here and there that they might get somebody to trade for him before the deadline. Otherwise, he is just a $6M waste of time.

In comment 15400177 compton said:

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also showed that Barkley's touchdown reception was only possible because the defense choose to roll coverage to Engram leaving Barkley uncovered? I bet he didn't go over that play. If it wasn't for that touchdown the game ends differently and we should thank Engram ability to cause mismatches for that. So give a man a respite for a week.

Lattimore would have jump anyone on the route, he tried before.

In comment 15400177 compton said:

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also showed that Barkley's touchdown reception was only possible because the defense choose to roll coverage to Engram leaving Barkley uncovered? I bet he didn't go over that play. If it wasn't for that touchdown the game ends differently and we should thank Engram ability to cause mismatches for that. So give a man a respite for a week.

Nobody chooses to roll coverage to Ole Stone Hands...lol...it was a blown assignment. Wishful thinking that EE scares anyone other than his own teammates.

Engram's value to this team may be that of a decoy. Same with Ross. A few positive plays made by each, has to have the opponent's D respecting their passing routes which should open things up for everyone else.

I'll agree that he's not a good blocker and he's had way too many drops (key drops & tips-to-picks); but people act like he's the worst TE in the league. He's still a top 20 TE, he's a good teammate, stays out of trouble and he works hard. If 75% of Shep, Golliday, Toney, Barkley perform well this year Engram should be a fine complimentary piece. I just don't understand the utter vitriol that is sent his way every time his name is mentioned.

And then proceed to say he cant block and cant catch?

Hes a first round draft pick. The Criticism is fair when your first round TE cant block or catch. (Or run precise routes to the point of the thread).

I feel bad for him, especially during the ATL game.

Giant offense, for a good percent age of their plays, has to become Jones getting to the los and recognizing who has the mismatch. Engram still has a role since he still creates matchup problems, in spite of his shortcomings.

Of pretty good catches

In comment 15400252 Ron Johnson said:

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Giant offense, for a good percent age of their plays, has to become Jones getting to the los and recognizing who has the mismatch. Engram still has a role since he still creates matchup problems, in spite of his shortcomings.

I think we have enough evidence to suggest opposing teams matchup just fine with Engram.

And I would bet many of them actually want him to be targeted because they know the likely outcomes.

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I feel bad for him, especially during the ATL game.

How the crowd treated him was brutal .

In comment 15400177 compton said:

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also showed that Barkley's touchdown reception was only possible because the defense choose to roll coverage to Engram leaving Barkley uncovered? I bet he didn't go over that play. If it wasn't for that touchdown the game ends differently and we should thank Engram ability to cause mismatches for that. So give a man a respite for a week.

Even Pff said Engram looks slow and he has fallen off a cliff. He's 27 with a ton injuries. Not a single defense is afraid of him. Thats the truth.

In comment 15400177 compton said:

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also showed that Barkley's touchdown reception was only possible because the defense choose to roll coverage to Engram leaving Barkley uncovered? I bet he didn't go over that play. If it wasn't for that touchdown the game ends differently and we should thank Engram ability to cause mismatches for that. So give a man a respite for a week.

Yes, Lattimore and that Safety went running after Engram leaving Barkley free down the sideline.

Can you blame them? A pass to Engram is a good chance for them to get a deflected int or strip.

Jones said he didn't.

People just assume he's doing the wrong thing every time. We have no way to actually prove this.

Snake biten....

Engram is a good guy, just not a good football player. Just another of many, many, many failed Reese/Ross picks.

They should have dumped him a couple of years ago.

The fact that they kept him but let Dalvin Tomlinson go over the off-season has hurt this team a lot. Note that Sy torched Tomlinson's supposed replacement Danny Shelton in his write up on the win over the Saints.

In comment 15400282 Red Dog said:

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Engram is a good guy, just not a good football player. Just another of many, many, many failed Reese/Ross picks. They should have dumped him a couple of years ago. The fact that they kept him but let Dalvin Tomlinson go over the off-season has hurt this team a lot. Note that Sy torched Tomlinson's supposed replacement Danny Shelton in his write up on the win over the Saints.

How was it a decision between Tomlinson or Engram? EE makes less money than Kyle Rudolph - the better comparison here is Jackson or Tomlinson.

In comment 15400282 Red Dog said:

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Engram is a good guy, just not a good football player. Just another of many, many, many failed Reese/Ross picks. They should have dumped him a couple of years ago. The fact that they kept him but let Dalvin Tomlinson go over the off-season has hurt this team a lot. Note that Sy torched Tomlinson's supposed replacement Danny Shelton in his write up on the win over the Saints.

It's not really an either or. It's not like they chose to re-up with Engram instead of Tomlinson. The Vikings have been worse than we have against the run so it's not a sure thing that with Tomlinson we'd be substantially better than we are now. Martinez is a big loss however.

In comment 15400218 fanoftheteam said:

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And then proceed to say he cant block and cant catch? Hes a first round draft pick. The Criticism is fair when your first round TE cant block or catch. (Or run precise routes to the point of the thread).

Didn't say he couldn't catch, said he's made some boneheaded plays has had a lot of drops. But he has been top 10 in yds per game for TE's each of the last 3 years. You can call him out for his issues but to say we should release him is a joke.

Can't wait until he's an ex Giant.

And maybe catch some screens.

I questioned it on another thread if that 3rd down play was really a bad drop.


It was a bad drop.

In comment 15400282 Red Dog said:

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Engram is a good guy, just not a good football player. Just another of many, many, many failed Reese/Ross picks. They should have dumped him a couple of years ago. The fact that they kept him but let Dalvin Tomlinson go over the off-season has hurt this team a lot. Note that Sy torched Tomlinson's supposed replacement Danny Shelton in his write up on the win over the Saints.

Are there any other bad football playing pro bowlers? Seriously . He had 100+ targets last year. Gronk has 75 Orr so. Think about that.i don’t see EE on subway adverts; not on t mobile commercial s. Not to mention he made some tough catches on the first down during the fourth qtr on a ball that was not thrown well.

how the national media LOVES Engram far more than Giants do. Every Giants fan says he sucks. Yet every analyst always describes him as some dangerous weapon, even announcers during games (Vilma especially) gushes over him. Is there a reason why for the disconnect? My guess is that they don't watch all the games and simply watch highlights but shouldn't they do their homework?

You have to name another pro bowler who sucks

In comment 15401331 Debaser said:

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You have to name another pro bowler who sucks

What kind of argument is this? The pro bowl is a popularity contest. Gilmore was a pro bowl STARTER and he just got cut.

In comment 15401378 Thunderstruck27 said:

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In comment 15401331 Debaser said: Quote: You have to name another pro bowler who sucks What kind of argument is this? The pro bowl is a popularity contest. Gilmore was a pro bowl STARTER and he just got cut.

Gilmore got cut because he was demanding a new contract and would not play on his current deal. It's like some of you write your own realities.

In comment 15401403 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15401378 Thunderstruck27 said: Quote: In comment 15401331 Debaser said: Quote: You have to name another pro bowler who sucks What kind of argument is this? The pro bowl is a popularity contest. Gilmore was a pro bowl STARTER and he just got cut. Gilmore got cut because he was demanding a new contract and would not play on his current deal. It's like some of you write your own realities.

The reality is pro-bowl doesn't equal winner. But if you want to die on Evan Engrams hill...more power to you.

Engram is likely to be playing elsewhere next season. He hasn't turned into the player we hoped. But he's also not Jamarcus Russell or Akili Smith. It's possible to simultaneously think a guy is not the long-term solution while not proclaiming him to be the worst football player to ever lace up.

The rhetoric around Engram has become ludicrous.

In comment 15401502 PwndPapi said:

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Engram is likely to be playing elsewhere next season. He hasn't turned into the player we hoped. But he's also not Jamarcus Russell or Akili Smith. It's possible to simultaneously think a guy is not the long-term solution while not proclaiming him to be the worst football player to ever lace up. The rhetoric around Engram has become ludicrous.

The guy sucks. Is that rhetoric? I'll say that much. The rest of what you are replying to...isn't my argument.

In comment 15401507 Thunderstruck27 said:

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In comment 15401502 PwndPapi said: Quote: Engram is likely to be playing elsewhere next season. He hasn't turned into the player we hoped. But he's also not Jamarcus Russell or Akili Smith. It's possible to simultaneously think a guy is not the long-term solution while not proclaiming him to be the worst football player to ever lace up. The rhetoric around Engram has become ludicrous. The guy sucks. Is that rhetoric? I'll say that much. The rest of what you are replying to...isn't my argument.

The guy sucks? Maybe but it is absurd the vilification this guy gets here. He had 100 targets last year. Just as a point of reference Gronk had like 75? Do you really make someone that much of afeature of your offense that sucks that bad? You can rotate TEs but, the idea we're just going to cut the guy is just dumb. You can use him as a back up if he were that bad.

Why are you throwing to this guy that much then? 100 targets!

I just think Jones is such a minor league / back up QB that he only wants to throw to people like slot receivers and Engram because they are likely defended by lineabker safeties and he won't throw to Cornerbacks in a tight window more than not.