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Please cut Evan Engram

knowledgetimmons : 10/5/2021 10:35 pm
The cowboys cutting Jaylon is a sign of a team that admits mistakes and realizes when to walk away. Along those identical lines, the Giants need to get rid of 88.

I admit, I have defended Engram throughout his career…
…he’s a young player give it time
….look what he can do when they put the ball in his hands
…..he was better with Eli, because Jones is just developing
……he’s the only thing we have, every other pass catcher was unemployed last week

Excuses are all exhausted now

He:
Is afraid of his shadow
Can’t come up with plays when it matters
Creates turnovers

Most importantly, if he isn’t traded (hah) or cut by the deadline, then I am fully on board with flushing the whole crew. Judge, Getty…you name it. If they can’t see it then we’re already doomed to unending ineptitude while those decision makers are in charge.

I’ll stand behind anyone in this organization, as a fan, as long as there’s “still room behind you to stand”

Engram, meet wall. It’s over.

Unfortunately, that’s not the…  
STLGiant : 10/5/2021 10:47 pm : link
Giants way. Mara won’t sign off on it.
Agree  
eric2425ny : 10/5/2021 10:59 pm : link
It’s best for both sides at this point. But it won’t happen.
...  
broadbandz : 10/5/2021 11:03 pm : link
Any other coach would be fed up his nonsense. But the dude hit the lottery with the giants rotating in Macadoo then spags then Shurmur and now Judge. Each coach thinks Engram just needs a chance.
I like this guy.  
Route 9 : 10/5/2021 11:18 pm : link
Amazing post. Please post more. Agree 100%
Stop it.  
aquidneck : 10/5/2021 11:25 pm : link
It won't happen and he's leaving as a FA at the end of the year anyway.

Moreover, two previous threads today on the same subject seem more than enough.

RE: Stop it.  
Route 9 : 10/5/2021 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15400816 aquidneck said:
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It won't happen and he's leaving as a FA at the end of the year anyway.

Moreover, two previous threads today on the same subject seem more than enough.


Don't discourage people from posting Engram bashing threads, please.
What would be the benefit of this?  
montanagiant : 10/5/2021 11:52 pm : link
We would still have to pay him and the fact he is still accounted for by the Defense even though he screws up is a big factor
RE: Agree  
knowledgetimmons : 10/5/2021 11:56 pm : link
In comment 15400787 eric2425ny said:
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It’s best for both sides at this point. But it won’t happen.


That’s a nice way to put it. At this point Travis Beckum was a better pick than Engram. Atleast the latter wasn’t clearing 70k per week to suck eggs all Sunday long.
the minute Engram was  
Rory : 10/6/2021 12:07 am : link
available for he would be picked up by another team.

He has his issues but he's still a good character guy who tries hard and you dont cut a guy mid season like that at a position you have questionable depth just to make a statement.

chill

RE: the minute Engram was  
Rory : 10/6/2021 12:19 am : link
In comment 15400863 Rory said:
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available for he would be picked up by another team.

He has his issues but he's still a good character guy who tries hard and you dont cut a guy mid season like that at a position you have questionable depth just to make a statement.

chill


also just wanted to add Smith got cut for being lazy, Engram is not lazy.
It doesn’t matter now  
BillT : 10/6/2021 7:04 am : link
In the offseason his salary could have been used to keep Tomlinson. But they decided he was more important. He’s be more and more of an afterthought in this offense. So, we’ll just have to ride it out.
Neither Rudolph  
joeinpa : 10/6/2021 7:07 am : link
Or Smith command the attention of opposing defenses the way Evan does.

Cutting him would just be silly in my opinion.
I was on-board cutting Engram  
Giants73 : 10/6/2021 7:08 am : link
The last few years, but at this point some team will be stupid and sign him to good money next year. Should bring back a good compensatory pick. Let him decoy the rest of the year and do not throw him the ball ever again. Also, keep him off the field in any running situation where we need a block. I disliked the player even more when I realized besides his horrible blocking and game/drive killing plays, he also does not know how to chip block, he always tries to free release.
Your arrogance is over the top  
KingBlue : 10/6/2021 7:20 am : link
You are not qualified to suggest anything of the sort. You can have an opinion, and you can express it. That's where it ends. Leave the decision making up to the decision makers.

Cutting Evan Engram in week 5 is an ignorant take.
RE: Your arrogance is over the top  
DannyDimes : 10/6/2021 7:59 am : link
In comment 15400911 KingBlue said:
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You are not qualified to suggest anything of the sort. You can have an opinion, and you can express it. That's where it ends. Leave the decision making up to the decision makers.

Cutting Evan Engram in week 5 is an ignorant take.


Absolutely correct. Glad the poster isn't my GM.
Please don't cut Evan Engram  
rasbutant : 10/6/2021 9:11 am : link
I want to win.
Not even getting into  
Biteymax22 : 10/6/2021 9:15 am : link
Whether he should stay a Giant or not, lets not get in the habit of cutting guys that have trade value....
You've explored the trade market  
Harvest Blend : 10/6/2021 9:17 am : link
to know that trading Engram is "hah"?

Tell us more.
I would consider trading Engram  
John In CO : 10/6/2021 9:17 am : link
I think that would actually work for both the team and the player at this point. But CUTTING Engram....that would be moronic.
Frustrating Thing About Engram  
LTIsTheGreatest : 10/6/2021 9:35 am : link
he seems to make the really tough catches and drops the easy ones. The target on his back has really intensified since that huge drop in Philly last year that would have sealed that game and led to a crushing loss. I dont think hes going anywhere though. As pointed out, his contract is up after this season and if he doesnt produce, he will be gone anyway
I would be happy if  
Dr. D : 10/6/2021 9:38 am : link
he just didn't play. K. Smith is a better blocker and receiver, by far. The only thing Engram does better is run faster. I'll take the slower guy who blocks and consistently catches the f*cking ball when it's thrown to him.

Let EE leave via FA and take the comp pick.
Surprised to see...  
knowledgetimmons : 10/6/2021 9:45 am : link
So many people think he has trade value.

challenges the league every year in drops
average at best route running
catches less than 60% of his targets
can't block

The guy might bring a 7th? And I'd be happy to eat crow if they had a better offer on the table for a gadget player in the final year of his contract. I just don't see it.
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/6/2021 9:49 am : link
We all knew he couldn't block when he was drafted. So he better be a stud in the passing game.

Drops passes. Fumbles. Loses position. Falls. And the playcalling doesn't send him downfield.

Wish they woulda traded him when there was a rumor that at least a 3rd was on the table.
RE: Unfortunately, that’s not the…  
k2tampa : 10/6/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15400771 STLGiant said:
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Giants way. Mara won’t sign off on it.


Smith wasn't cut because he is bad, he was cut by a team that has strength at the position as a future cap saving move. Cutting Engram doesn't generate cap savings and we are not strong at TE.
RE: Neither Rudolph  
Bill in UT : 10/6/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15400905 joeinpa said:
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Or Smith command the attention of opposing defenses the way Evan does.



What attention? They put one guy on Engram, just like they put one guy on Smith or Rudolph. Maybe they cover Engram with a safety rather than a LB, but so what, it's not like they don't have enough safeties.
I made a thread about  
shadow_spinner0 : 10/6/2021 10:09 am : link


how the national media LOVES Engram far more than Giants do. Every Giants fan says he sucks. Yet every analyst always describes him as some dangerous weapon, even announcers during games (Vilma especially) gushes over him. Is there a reason why for the disconnect? My guess is that they don't watch all the games and simply watch highlights but shouldn't they do their homework?

Same with Smith, the national media talks about him in a positive light, causal fans think he's good and were shocked the Cowboys released yet Cowboys fans have been complaining about him for over 2 years now.
Keep him  
Pepe LePugh : 10/6/2021 10:19 am : link
this year, and hope he gets big enough contact as UFA to get a decent comp pick.
They may not keep him past this year  
David B. : 10/6/2021 10:49 am : link
But he's NOT going to get cut.
No to resigning him  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/6/2021 11:31 am : link
and no to cutting him.
I really wonder if some here  
PwndPapi : 10/6/2021 1:05 pm : link
have ever watched football. Or any team sport. You want to cut your starting TE? Okay - who's replacing him on the field?

Travis Beckham was a better player? Are you judging this by his immortal 26 career receptions? Or is there something else we don't know about?

Pure idiocy.
RE: I really wonder if some here  
knowledgetimmons : 10/6/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15401328 PwndPapi said:
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have ever watched football. Or any team sport. You want to cut your starting TE? Okay - who's replacing him on the field?

Travis Beckham was a better player? Are you judging this by his immortal 26 career receptions? Or is there something else we don't know about?

Pure idiocy.


Better pick, not player. Read more carefully next time, Spaulding
How in the world was Beckham a better pick?  
PwndPapi : 10/6/2021 2:16 pm : link
Beckham was a third-round pick who produced 26 catches and 3 TDs throughout his ENTIRE CAREER. That's an avg. of 8.3 receptions and 1 TD per season. Then he left the NYG and never played in the NFL again. Beckham never exceeded 200 receiving yards in a season.

As disappointing as Engram's career has been thus far, he's exceeded Beckham's career totals in every season he's played.

Just dumb.

RE: RE: Your arrogance is over the top  
Route 9 : 10/6/2021 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15400936 DannyDimes said:
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In comment 15400911 KingBlue said:


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You are not qualified to suggest anything of the sort. You can have an opinion, and you can express it. That's where it ends. Leave the decision making up to the decision makers.

Cutting Evan Engram in week 5 is an ignorant take.



Absolutely correct. Glad the poster isn't my GM.


I bet he's better than David Gettleman.
Giants need to draft another TE this year......  
Simms11 : 10/6/2021 6:09 pm : link
Engram, in my estimation, is all but gone after this season. Should be able to get a decent one in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
You might want to rewatch the Saquon TD pass..  
Sean : 10/6/2021 6:16 pm : link
EE’s presence was crucial.
RE: You might want to rewatch the Saquon TD pass..  
knowledgetimmons : 10/6/2021 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15401602 Sean said:
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EE’s presence was crucial.


I’ll take your advice.

On a final note, hopefully to conclude this pointless take of mine…

This post was heavily inspired by the consumption of multiple Heady Topper’s. In reality, the Engram experiment is over, I believe most agree. Is it wise to cut him? No. And I made no assertions that it would be a wise move. Just about every player can be cut for any reason, and I don’t believe future advantage or recourse should be a defining characteristic.

Engram has no future here, and he barely has an essential role. He causes more problems for his own offense than he creates problems for the opposing defense. This chapter should already be over.

Fortunately we only have 13 games at the most to dwell on this.

Ps. Engram is protecting his future career because he already knows there’s no contract waiting for him here. Hopefully the the coaches cut his snaps, justifiably, like they did Tomlinson last year.
RE: How in the world was Beckham a better pick?  
Route 9 : 10/8/2021 2:20 am : link
In comment 15401394 PwndPapi said:
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As disappointing as Engram's career has been thus far, he's exceeded Beckham's career totals in every season he's played.

Just dumb.

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