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Daniel Jones named NFC Offensive Player of the Week

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2021 8:34 am
Just announced...

Well  
M.S. : 10/6/2021 8:38 am : link

Deserved!
Unpossible!  
Johnny5 : 10/6/2021 8:39 am : link
Daniel Jones is the Suxity!

lol

Congrats DJ! You deserve it... now just keep it going!
how's Haskins  
KDavies : 10/6/2021 8:43 am : link
doing?
RE: how's Haskins  
bluewave : 10/6/2021 8:45 am : link
In comment 15400969 KDavies said:
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doing?

LOL!!!!
Second career  
JB_in_DC : 10/6/2021 8:46 am : link
NFC OPotW for Daniel. Keep it up!
I look forward to hearing…  
Chris in Philly : 10/6/2021 8:48 am : link
from the “fans” who refuse to even admit he had one good game because being right on an anonymous message board is the only thing that matters to them. And likewise, I look forward to the inevitable subsequent twisting of words that leads to “is one good game enough for you?”, which is done to obfuscate away the first point.
I heard on BBI that Nick Mullins might be a better QB for the Giants  
GiantGolfer : 10/6/2021 8:48 am : link
How’d he do this past weekend?
LOL  
DannyDimes : 10/6/2021 8:53 am : link
Jones is playing great. Andrew Thomas is playing great. Barkley had his best game of the season.

What will the haters do with all of this?
Nice!  
truebluelarry : 10/6/2021 8:54 am : link
Very much deserved.
Here's hoping that there are many more to come.
Makes sense…  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 8:57 am : link
Made big plays on the road trailing by double digits in the 4th.
RE: LOL  
BSIMatt : 10/6/2021 8:58 am : link
In comment 15400987 DannyDimes said:
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Jones is playing great. Andrew Thomas is playing great. Barkley had his best game of the season.

What will the haters do with all of this?


Jones, Thomas, Barkley, Toney..4 consecutive first rounders, were among the best players on the field for either team Sunday.
not bad...  
BillKo : 10/6/2021 8:59 am : link
..considering his performance was both "unimpressive" and typical of the rest of the league....
Trevon Diggs of Cowboys win NFC Defensive Player of Week  
chick310 : 10/6/2021 8:59 am : link
setting up a head-to-head showdown this Sunday between these stars.

Jones tests him early with a long TD pass to Golladay.
Wow over  
BigBlueJ : 10/6/2021 8:59 am : link
Kyle, so happy for the young man, so much deserved.
Great job last week DJ  
Rick in Dallas : 10/6/2021 9:01 am : link
RE: Trevon Diggs of Cowboys win NFC Defensive Player of Week  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 9:04 am : link
In comment 15400996 chick310 said:
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setting up a head-to-head showdown this Sunday between these stars.

Jones tests him early with a long TD pass to Golladay.


Diggs is playing out of his mind. Didn’t see that level of play coming…
Well deserved.  
Section331 : 10/6/2021 9:04 am : link
Let's hope the first of many.
He finally  
Joey in VA : 10/6/2021 9:11 am : link
Looked like he did during his rookie year, confident, in command and able to pinpoint the ball. Well deserved, hopefully this is just the beginning.
This is always the problem with the Giants  
bradshaw44 : 10/6/2021 9:24 am : link
Once an underperforming unit pulls it all together, the previously steady unit falls apart. Right no Q our defense shows no resemblance to their prior year self.

Just once I'd like both units to be either firing on all cylinders, or at least one firing and other being serviceable.

Congrats Daniel, we are gonna need you to put this team on your back for the the season. And maybe more.
Congratulations!  
x meadowlander : 10/6/2021 9:25 am : link
NOW DO IT IN FEBRUARY!!!
Well Done Indeed!  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/6/2021 9:30 am : link
Keep it up DJ.
Danny is a Gangster  
TheBlueprintNC : 10/6/2021 9:31 am : link
Franchise QB -
This isn't good  
Dr. D : 10/6/2021 9:32 am : link
for the BBI DJ master haters.
So great to see!  
Chris684 : 10/6/2021 9:35 am : link
Here’s to many more!
RE: This isn't good  
Keaton028 : 10/6/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15401038 Dr. D said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.


I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.
Well deserved.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2021 9:42 am : link
He was great.
Awesome.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/6/2021 9:44 am : link
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That can’t be  
joeinpa : 10/6/2021 9:47 am : link
A certain poster told us this week, Daniel s performance was not impressive.

Who votes for these honors, must be a bunch of people without the skills of the resident critics here.
RE: RE: This isn't good  
KDavies : 10/6/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15401045 Keaton028 said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.


Jones' detractors do not merely "want to see more of this on a consistent basis." To start off with, the Giants were ripped by "experts" as being racist for selecting him over the immortal Dwayne Haskins.

A large contingent of Giants fans also ripped the pick, and have ripped him for the two years he has been here. It's not surprising that those that believe(d) in Jones, and even those who took a more wait-and-see approach are gloating a little bit.
RE: RE: This isn't good  
bLiTz 2k : 10/6/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15401045 Keaton028 said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.


There's a very very small sample that kinda do...and it's not your typical realists who usually have okay takes. I tend to ignore those one or two other folks
Awesome stuff!  
Simms11 : 10/6/2021 9:51 am : link
Keep it going DJ! Hope he gets another one this week!
He is also rated as having the best week by Football Outsiders  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/6/2021 9:58 am : link
Impressive. I hope I am wrong about him. As a "DJ Hater," I don't hate him. I didn't think it was the right pick.

There are lots of ways to get a QB. Look at what the Rams did with Stafford, or Denver with Bridgewater. You have to be smart. Which is my main complaint, Gettelman.

I don't think he's the GM for the job. If I'm wrong about the DJ pick, great! One less thing to worry about. I still don't think he's the right guy to run the team. Look at our cap room, with the talent we have. Look at some of the other decisions, debated ad nauseum, that make very little sense.
surprised  
dlauster : 10/6/2021 10:06 am : link
I would have thought Elliot would have got it.

But I'm very happy for our QB!
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
Keaton028 : 10/6/2021 10:10 am : link
In comment 15401063 bLiTz 2k said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.



There's a very very small sample that kinda do...and it's not your typical realists who usually have okay takes. I tend to ignore those one or two other folks


I’m like you. There are people with extreme takes on both sides who attack others with differing opinions on a personal level. I’ll never understand it. I hope everyone roots for DJ, even if, like me, they wanna see a bigger sample size before they give full confidence to him. Sunday was a huge and fun win for him, and us as fans. I truly hope no one here was actually upset by him playing well.
Keep it up  
Producer : 10/6/2021 10:18 am : link
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awesome  
AnnapolisMike : 10/6/2021 10:24 am : link
everyone likes to play armchair GM. I did not like the pick of Barkley for the Giants. But I am certainly going to root for him to play his very best as long as he is a Giant.
Congrats to Jones.  
FStubbs : 10/6/2021 10:30 am : link
Hope he can build on this and grow into the QB we hope he can be.
Awesome!!  
Giants86 : 10/6/2021 10:32 am : link
Happy for him
RE: RE: This isn't good  
Dr. D : 10/6/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15401045 Keaton028 said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.

Sorry, maybe you missed the many offseason threads where a small group here refused to acknowledge the long list of shit DJ had going against him last year (saying new coaching staff, new offense, rookies on OL, no minicamp, limited training camp, no preseason games, among league's worst WR corps, etc. were just "excuses").

They refused to acknowledge DJ ever showed any flashes and they definitively proclaimed him to be a bust (one even said something to the effect that it's bc he/they know how to evaluate a QB, unlike the rest of us).

Most of us, just wanted to give him a little more time to prove himself (with a normal offseason, better OL and weapons, experience, etc.), one way or another. He's doing that in a good way, but I wonder if some will ever admit it or if they're enjoying it.

It's true this small group probably doesn't "hate DJ" as a person, but going into this season, they sure hated that he was our QB and that's of course what I'm referring to.

Awesome  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2021 10:37 am : link
Well deserved.

RE: LOL  
eli4life : 10/6/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15400987 DannyDimes said:
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Jones is playing great. Andrew Thomas is playing great. Barkley had his best game of the season.

What will the haters do with all of this?


It’s easy all they have to do is look at the defense there’s a whole lot of things over there to bitch about
RE: RE: This isn't good  
Ron Johnson : 10/6/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15401045 Keaton028 said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.


master haters sounds like a joke to me. Maybe lighten up a bit
Congrats to Jones and also to Thomas for beginning to put it all  
Ira : 10/6/2021 10:45 am : link
together at their respective positions.
Well deserved...  
KingBlue : 10/6/2021 10:45 am : link
Daniel has the right stuff, the right work ethic and finally the right teammates to showcase his talents.

We should all appreciate and enthusiastically support our QB!!
Clap clap  
5BowlsSoon : 10/6/2021 10:47 am : link
Great job, Dimes.

I hope you run a bit more though in this upcoming game. Sam Darnold did it nicely. You are much faster than he is.
Great!  
TheEvilLurker : 10/6/2021 10:48 am : link
What can we trade him for?

I keed, I keed.
RE: RE: This isn't good  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15401045 Keaton028 said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.


The problem here has always been expectations of Jones.

Some of us believe he has a major responsibility as the QB - and a high investment - to do more. To carry the load and make chicken salad (even if the supporting cast isn't the Chiefs).

On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast. So they take a much lighter touch with their criticism and expectations.

At the end of the day, everyone wants Jones to be the solution. But the clock is ticking on his contract. And a vital decision is going to have to be made if Jones is indeed that solution. Hopefully, the performance in New Orleans is a sign of more good things to come...
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
Keaton028 : 10/6/2021 11:02 am : link
In comment 15401130 bw in dc said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.



The problem here has always been expectations of Jones.

Some of us believe he has a major responsibility as the QB - and a high investment - to do more. To carry the load and make chicken salad (even if the supporting cast isn't the Chiefs).

On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast. So they take a much lighter touch with their criticism and expectations.

At the end of the day, everyone wants Jones to be the solution. But the clock is ticking on his contract. And a vital decision is going to have to be made if Jones is indeed that solution. Hopefully, the performance in New Orleans is a sign of more good things to come...



Right. This is where I’m at. I actually posted a thread about the advantage of a QB on a rookie contract before the Saints game, simply because I think it’s an aspect that many fans tend to forget.

I like DJ personally, but am yet to be sold on him as the future. However, I do root for him, and acknowledge how much easier the Giants ascent to contention would be if he IS the guy. I was extremely encouraged by the Saints game. In no way am I rooting against Jones. I think many of us hold this point of view, but I hope we aren’t targeted as being haters because our opinion is still different after 1 excellent game.
RE: I heard on BBI that Nick Mullins might be a better QB for the Giants  
mfsd : 10/6/2021 11:02 am : link
In comment 15400982 GiantGolfer said:
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How’d he do this past weekend?


About as well as our secret franchise QB of the future Kyle Sloter

Well done Danny, keep it up kid
Congrats!  
ZogZerg : 10/6/2021 11:02 am : link
I hope he keeps it up.
Excellent  
cosmicj : 10/6/2021 11:08 am : link
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That’s awesome  
Dukie Dimes : 10/6/2021 11:10 am : link
I’m rooting really hard for him. He had to overcome so much criticism. Would be amazing if he became a top tier QB.
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MOOPS : 10/6/2021 11:12 am : link
RE: RE: This isn't good  
adamg : 10/6/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15401045 Keaton028 said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.


Sounds like you are one of the master haters.
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
Keaton028 : 10/6/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15401212 adamg said:
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.



Sounds like you are one of the master haters.


Haha, you got me.
Does he have escalators for awards like this  
MotownGIANTS : 10/6/2021 11:52 am : link
in his contract?
Congratulations and well deserved.  
short lease : 10/6/2021 12:02 pm : link
Won't be his last either.

If the OL keeps improving (does Thomas go to the pro-bowl this year? - I know that question was asked very early) our "bust" of a QB might just have a career with the Giants.

; )


And we can use our 2 first round picks on another Olineman and a stud on defense (depending where the talent lies).
RE: awesome  
Alan W : 10/6/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15401097 AnnapolisMike said:
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everyone likes to play armchair GM. I did not like the pick of Barkley for the Giants. But I am certainly going to root for him to play his very best as long as he is a Giant.


Everyone? Not me. I'm for leaving it up to folks with experience, insight and the future in mind.
RE: RE: LOL  
short lease : 10/6/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15400994 BSIMatt said:
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Jones is playing great. Andrew Thomas is playing great. Barkley had his best game of the season.

What will the haters do with all of this?



Jones, Thomas, Barkley, Toney..4 consecutive first rounders, were among the best players on the field for either team Sunday.


I am shocked ... I heard Gettleman was a moron and these players were busts ... or in Barkley's case - to high of a pick (RBs can be had in later rounds).

1 game - must have been a fluke.



[sarcasm /off]
RE: RE: awesome  
short lease : 10/6/2021 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15401246 Alan W said:
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everyone likes to play armchair GM. I did not like the pick of Barkley for the Giants. But I am certainly going to root for him to play his very best as long as he is a Giant.



Everyone? Not me. I'm for leaving it up to folks with experience, insight and the future in mind.



+1

Not me either.
Well deserved  
HomerJones45 : 10/6/2021 12:26 pm : link
He looked like he was in command on Sunday
RE: Well deserved  
Brown_Hornet : 10/6/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15401270 HomerJones45 said:
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He looked like he was in command on Sunday
Something I noticed, when they would give a close up during cadence, is how relax he was.
The moment is not too big for him.
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
Dr. D : 10/6/2021 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15401130 bw in dc said:
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On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast. So they take a much lighter touch with their criticism and expectations.

I don't think ANYONE thinks Jones or any QB is "just another piece in the offense". EVERYONE knows that the QB is clearly the most important piece of an offense. But it's still a team game and plenty of good to great QBs haven't looked so good on shitty teams, especially in their first year or two in the league when they're still developing.
It's  
mittenedman : 10/6/2021 1:53 pm : link
great to see him stacking good performances and putting the doubters to bed. Must feel good to receive recognition after what he's been through, starting with draft night.

To me, it looks like he's "trimmed the fat" from his game and is understanding how to efficiently use his talents to win. When he moves now, he's not just in a mad dash to the sideline - you can see him methodically stressing the D and knowing when to buy time. He's likely still learning, and can be a big problem for NFL defenses.

It's interesting to consider how high his ceiling is. He's never had a solid group of skill players to grow with. He's starting to build chemistry with KG, Shepard, Slayton, Barkley & Toney. Also seems to like throwing to Ross. Nice arsenal, if he's locked in with everybody.
I called this in the game thread  
montanagiant : 10/6/2021 2:07 pm : link
~ twisting my arm while patting myself on the back~
Dr. D  
manh george : 10/6/2021 2:40 pm : link
On your list of shitshow parts around Jones, you left out the complete lack of a running game or a rb to throw screens to. And a defense not good enough to give the offense a rest. It was quite a list of negatives.
RE: Dr. D  
Dr. D : 10/6/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15401424 manh george said:
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On your list of shitshow parts around Jones, you left out the complete lack of a running game or a rb to throw screens to. And a defense not good enough to give the offense a rest. It was quite a list of negatives.

yeah, I thought about RB, but thought I listed enough for the point to be made. But then again, I've listed this shit quite a few times in these types of threads and the same people still never acknowledged any of it.
What i most appreciated about this performance  
DavidinBMNY : 10/6/2021 4:04 pm : link
Is Jones went from a player who wasn't causing us to lose, to a player who did cause us to win. It's a team sport and Barkely, Ross, Golladay and the OL all had huge parts, but that was a get over the hump moment from my perspective. As others have said he deserves this and it's great for the whole franchise too. Let's see it again this Sunday!
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
Dr. D : 10/6/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15401130 bw in dc said:
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The problem here has always been expectations of Jones.

Some of us believe he has a major responsibility as the QB - and a high investment - to do more.

I don't think you really understand what the problem has been. Our ultimate expectations are probably not that different. I don't think any Giants fan would be happy if Jones turned out to be a mid to lower tier QB.

The difference is some of us recognized the flashes he's showed, especially his rookie year, along with the long list of shit going against him last year (see above), in addition to the fact he's still developing, etc. and therefore thought it was wise to give him a little more time to prove himself (with a normal offseason, more experience, talent, etc.).

Some didn't recognize or acknowledge those facts and made up their minds already. That's the problem; in a nutshell.
Congratulations to DJ, it was well deserved  
csh2z : 10/6/2021 4:16 pm : link
I can see a comparison to guys like Stafford. He has had a very difficult career in Detroit that made him look bad for many years. Look how he is doing with a real team around him. What a turnaround.
He  
Les in TO : 10/6/2021 4:24 pm : link
Was huge on Sunday and cold blooded in OT. Looked more like the Jedi the Giants needed not a JAG. And he had great chemistry with Ross and Toney despite limited first team reps
Kent Graham also won this award twice,  
State Your Name : 10/6/2021 4:46 pm : link
so...
RE: Kent Graham also won this award twice,  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15401549 State Your Name said:
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so...

I’ll bet you’re a real blast at parties…
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
section125 : 10/6/2021 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15401130 bw in dc said:
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On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast. So they take a much lighter touch with their criticism and expectations.

At the end of the day, everyone wants Jones to be the solution. But the clock is ticking on his contract. And a vital decision is going to have to be made if Jones is indeed that solution. Hopefully, the performance in New Orleans is a sign of more good things to come...


I will give you credit. At least you showed up even if to shed a little shade.
One game does not make a franchise QB. It just does not.

However, he made those deep out throws you said he could not.

Now that the line gave him time to set up, read and throw he looked very good. He is not Mahomes, Rodgers or Allen. He is not nor will he ever be a top 5 QB. But he can be a top 10 QB and probably is close to it npw.

What I find fascinating is that in one week, he was able to get on the same page as Golladay, Toney and Ross.

Please dear Lord, let Jason Garrett keep letting him open up the offense.
RE: I look forward to hearing…  
steve in ky : 10/6/2021 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15400981 Chris in Philly said:
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from the “fans” who refuse to even admit he had one good game because being right on an anonymous message board is the only thing that matters to them. And likewise, I look forward to the inevitable subsequent twisting of words that leads to “is one good game enough for you?”, which is done to obfuscate away the first point.


Don’t hold your breath but at least we may have seen the last of the suggestions that perhaps Glennon should start at some point.
section 125...  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 5:55 pm : link

When I say deep throws, I mean the throwing the deep out. That is not in Jones's repertoire. But I have given him credit for throwing a deep ball between the numbers. He's shown good touch and timing on that.

Look, you have to give Jones credit where credit is due. He did his job Sunday - played like a franchise QB. Hopefully it's a watershed moment that leads to more of these performances.

My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.

But lots of NFL QBs can look good with more talent to use. When you can't replenish the talent (free agent departures, injuries, draft struggles, etc), however, can Jones make his surrounding cast better? Because, that to me, is the characteristic/skill you want if you are guying to play a QB big dollars...



Hasn't this pendulum  
Thegratefulhead : 10/6/2021 6:00 pm : link
Swung enough yet?

I have been all over the place on Jones.

I thought he would have real success this year and then through 3 games he still looked meh.

Stats are better...for sure.

He just wasn't being the "guy"

He looked the part in New Orleans.

If he keeps doing that, we are in a great spot, those 2 picks early next could turn us into a legit contender.

Potentially great news.

He could fumble against air in the red zone next week and be the reason we lost.

Wait before declaring victory or defeat on your Jones prognostication.

No matter what happens you will not be right because of your football acumen.

If Jones ends up a great and you thought that from the beginning, you were just lucky and vice versa.

I having been reading this forum for over a decade. All of us are wrong all the fucking time. The only thing I am certain of is we are all full of shit.

Some more than others, mileage may vary.

RE: section 125...  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15401591 bw in dc said:
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.




Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.
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Zeke's Alibi : 10/6/2021 6:20 pm : link
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.






Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.


It’s almost like he’s doing all this with a line that can block and some all star cast of pass catchers. Our tight end group is terrible and we have zero run game (which is affecting our ability to score in the red zone).

Right now there’s only one guy we can say for sure is productive with little talent around him. It’s Aaron Rogers. Everyone else that is producing has talent around him.

DJs yards and completion percentage vs expected in pass game is top 5-8. It’s one of those nexgen advanced statistics that uses comparable situations as far as separation and yards down field into account.

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bw in dc : 10/6/2021 6:33 pm : link
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.






Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.


Compared to last year - yes.

It looks like KG is starting to live up to his billing as a #1, SB is looking healthier, Toney looked the part Sunday, Shep is a terrific slot WR (when healthy), EE/Rudolph, etc.

I mean, that was the plan going into the off-season. Which was clearly stated by John Mara.
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BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 6:41 pm : link
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.






Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.



It’s almost like he’s doing all this with a line that can block and some all star cast of pass catchers. Our tight end group is terrible and we have zero run game (which is affecting our ability to score in the red zone).

Right now there’s only one guy we can say for sure is productive with little talent around him. It’s Aaron Rogers. Everyone else that is producing has talent around him.

DJs yards and completion percentage vs expected in pass game is top 5-8. It’s one of those nexgen advanced statistics that uses comparable situations as far as separation and yards down field into account.

It’s absolutely mind boggling. The same guys that want Gettleman fired ASAP because the Giants have a bottom 5 roster (that’s been repeated many times) are now crediting Jones’ success on the talent around him. You simply cannot make this stuff up. The OL is made up of other teams’ failed castoffs and two failed draft picks (according to some posters here). They are on their 4th RG. The TEs are the worst in the league. The starting WR corp were without two of their top 3 WRs.

I’ll bet every QB in the league would be licking their chops to play with the immense talent Jones has gotten to play with. Next thing you know bw in dc will be campaigning for a huge Gettleman extension based on the talent he has covertly surrounded Jones with.
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BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 6:44 pm : link
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.






Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.



Compared to last year - yes.

It looks like KG is starting to live up to his billing as a #1, SB is looking healthier, Toney looked the part Sunday, Shep is a terrific slot WR (when healthy), EE/Rudolph, etc.

I mean, that was the plan going into the off-season. Which was clearly stated by John Mara.

Imagine what he could do with the talent that most of the other top QBs in the league have if you’re suddenly smitten with the Giants talent. Gettleman for GM of the year?
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BrettNYG10 : 10/6/2021 6:45 pm : link
I think the pieces surrounding Jones are around average.

If this develops into a top ten offense, it's because Jones is good.
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Thegratefulhead : 10/6/2021 6:51 pm : link
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I think the pieces surrounding Jones are around average.

If this develops into a top ten offense, it's because Jones is good.
Jones looked great Sunday. If he does more of that, this discussion goes.
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bw in dc : 10/6/2021 6:54 pm : link
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I’ll bet every QB in the league would be licking their chops to play with the immense talent Jones has gotten to play with. Next thing you know bw in dc will be campaigning for a huge Gettleman extension based on the talent he has covertly surrounded Jones with.


The phrase I used was "right mix of talent". Not "immense talent".
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BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 6:57 pm : link
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I think the pieces surrounding Jones are around average.

If this develops into a top ten offense, it's because Jones is good.

Jones looked great Sunday. If he does more of that, this discussion goes.

Apparently not. bw has already laid the groundwork that Jones is only successful because of the “right mix of talent” around him. So if he thrives, we’re gonna have to wait until the talent around him sucks to be able to judge how good he really is.
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bw in dc : 10/6/2021 6:57 pm : link
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Compared to last year - yes.

It looks like KG is starting to live up to his billing as a #1, SB is looking healthier, Toney looked the part Sunday, Shep is a terrific slot WR (when healthy), EE/Rudolph, etc.

I mean, that was the plan going into the off-season. Which was clearly stated by John Mara.


Imagine what he could do with the talent that most of the other top QBs in the league have if you’re suddenly smitten with the Giants talent. Gettleman for GM of the year?


We invested in improving the offense from last year. And it looks like we may have. This isn't some controversial POV.

But we are still only averaging 20PPG, 23rd in the league. So there is much more improvement needed. Which is why Jones needs to make last Sunday more the rule rather than the exception.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2021 7:01 pm : link
Well deserved. He was terrific in NOLA.
Such a strange argument  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2021 7:01 pm : link
what top QBs play for teams that didn’t invest in weapons? Pretty sure Brady went to Tampa because they were loaded and then they added to it. Mahomes gets whatever he wants. Diggs completely changed the Buffalo offense. Burrow lobbied for his WR over an LT despite blowing his knee out.

This is getting old. Give props to Jones and move on.
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BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 7:01 pm : link
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I’ll bet every QB in the league would be licking their chops to play with the immense talent Jones has gotten to play with. Next thing you know bw in dc will be campaigning for a huge Gettleman extension based on the talent he has covertly surrounded Jones with.



The phrase I used was "right mix of talent". Not "immense talent".

I know what you said. And it’s the case for every QB in the league. Are there any top 10 QBs in this league that would willingly swap their OL, WRs and TEs all for what Jones has had?
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chick310 : 10/6/2021 7:03 pm : link
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.






Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.



It’s almost like he’s doing all this with a line that can block and some all star cast of pass catchers. Our tight end group is terrible and we have zero run game (which is affecting our ability to score in the red zone).

Right now there’s only one guy we can say for sure is productive with little talent around him. It’s Aaron Rogers. Everyone else that is producing has talent around him.

DJs yards and completion percentage vs expected in pass game is top 5-8. It’s one of those nexgen advanced statistics that uses comparable situations as far as separation and yards down field into account.



It’s absolutely mind boggling. The same guys that want Gettleman fired ASAP because the Giants have a bottom 5 roster (that’s been repeated many times) are now crediting Jones’ success on the talent around him. You simply cannot make this stuff up. The OL is made up of other teams’ failed castoffs and two failed draft picks (according to some posters here). They are on their 4th RG. The TEs are the worst in the league. The starting WR corp were without two of their top 3 WRs.



For a Bottom 5 roster, someone seems to be making money since we are slammed up against the cap.

And isn't that Running Back a #2 overall pick?
Isn't that Left Tackle a #4 overall pick?
Isn't that free agent WR Golladay like the 7th highest paid WR?
Isn't our Tight End group the 4th highest paid in the NFL?
Didn't the Giants just add one the top WRs in the entire 2021 draft?

Mind boggling is correct. And Giant fans suck too, right?
RE: RE: RE: ....  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 7:05 pm : link
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Apparently not. bw has already laid the groundwork that Jones is only successful because of the “right mix of talent” around him. So if he thrives, we’re gonna have to wait until the talent around him sucks to be able to judge how good he really is.


So if you owned the team, you wouldn't consider that variable when deciding whether to pay Jones going forward?

You would just say, "It's all Jones. He's the primary difference maker...He can make chicken salad..."
RE: Such a strange argument  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15401636 UConn4523 said:
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what top QBs play for teams that didn’t invest in weapons? Pretty sure Brady went to Tampa because they were loaded and then they added to it. Mahomes gets whatever he wants. Diggs completely changed the Buffalo offense. Burrow lobbied for his WR over an LT despite blowing his knee out.

This is getting old. Give props to Jones and move on.


I did give Jones props.

Carve Brady out. His situation as a 44 year old only chasing titles to improve his legend doesn't really apply.

I agree with what you wrote. But do you have ANY doubt - any - that those aforementioned QBs would be great anywhere?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2021 7:11 pm : link
Eh, didn't Allen struggle until Buffalo got Diggs?

QBs need weapons. Yes, some QBs would be good wherever...Mahomes comes to mind. But is Patrick Mahomes THE Patrick Mahomes if he's in Miami & doesn't have Reid as a coach & all those weapons the Chiefs have? I'd bet no.
Not sure  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2021 7:16 pm : link
but it also doesn’t matter. If it took Jones 2.5 season and some better players to become good, who cares?
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chick310 : 10/6/2021 7:18 pm : link
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My concern for him, though, is what we are seeing is largely a dependent QB. A QB who can play well when he's surrounded by a large mix of the right talent.






Wait. So now Jones is suddenly playing with “a large mix of the right talent”? Wow. That changed quickly.



It’s almost like he’s doing all this with a line that can block and some all star cast of pass catchers. Our tight end group is terrible and we have zero run game (which is affecting our ability to score in the red zone).

Right now there’s only one guy we can say for sure is productive with little talent around him. It’s Aaron Rogers. Everyone else that is producing has talent around him.

DJs yards and completion percentage vs expected in pass game is top 5-8. It’s one of those nexgen advanced statistics that uses comparable situations as far as separation and yards down field into account.



It’s absolutely mind boggling. The same guys that want Gettleman fired ASAP because the Giants have a bottom 5 roster (that’s been repeated many times) are now crediting Jones’ success on the talent around him. You simply cannot make this stuff up. The OL is made up of other teams’ failed castoffs and two failed draft picks (according to some posters here). They are on their 4th RG. The TEs are the worst in the league. The starting WR corp were without two of their top 3 WRs.





For a Bottom 5 roster, someone seems to be making money since we are slammed up against the cap.

And isn't that Running Back a #2 overall pick?
Isn't that Left Tackle a #4 overall pick?
Isn't that free agent WR Golladay like the 7th highest paid WR?
Isn't our Tight End group the 4th highest paid in the NFL?
Didn't the Giants just add one the top WRs in the entire 2021 draft?

Mind boggling is correct. And Giant fans suck too, right?


Oh, and does everybody know we are #2 in positional spending at Running Back in the entire league only behind the Titans?

Very glad to see Jones doing well. He has put in his time and now needs to deliver. And he certainly has some high priced players and top draft picks all around him as noted above.

We need to win something before he becomes another high price tag.
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BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 7:30 pm : link
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Apparently not. bw has already laid the groundwork that Jones is only successful because of the “right mix of talent” around him. So if he thrives, we’re gonna have to wait until the talent around him sucks to be able to judge how good he really is.



So if you owned the team, you wouldn't consider that variable when deciding whether to pay Jones going forward?

You would just say, "It's all Jones. He's the primary difference maker...He can make chicken salad..."

It’s not all Jones. I’ve been a critic of Jones at times too. I just think it’s ludicrous that you’re now giving credit to all the talent around him when the talent he has around him is likely less than league average. Again, you never answered so I’ll ask again. What too 10 QB would willingly change places with Jones right now? Every single one of them plays with talented players around them. Every one. Exactly which QB is rolling out there with zero weapons and a dumpster fire of an OL and leading his team to victories all by himself?

Also again, if you honestly think Jones has all this talent around him, why have I not seen you giving any credit to your nemesis, Dave Gettleman?
RE: Not sure  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 7:30 pm : link
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but it also doesn’t matter. If it took Jones 2.5 season and some better players to become good, who cares?


It matters when we reach that pivotal point of a new contract. And we are getting closer to that point with Jones.

The Rams thought they had their solution with Goff based on his production with quality talent. And then they didn't.

I think McVay knew they didn’t  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2021 7:37 pm : link
but was to green to have much say. and it was the run game that helped Goff. Once Gurley got hurt it became a 1 dimensional offense, something Jones is playing in right now to an extent.

Gurley/Woods/Kupp + that OL is much better than what Jones is working with. Completely fine to still be skeptical but should Jones be extended I would want and expect the Giants to still invest in the offense. Just like Buffalo has done and will continue to do with Allen.
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bw in dc : 10/6/2021 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15401645 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Eh, didn't Allen struggle until Buffalo got Diggs?

QBs need weapons. Yes, some QBs would be good wherever...Mahomes comes to mind. But is Patrick Mahomes THE Patrick Mahomes if he's in Miami & doesn't have Reid as a coach & all those weapons the Chiefs have? I'd bet no.


I agree that QBs need weapons.

But that's not really my point. It's how do evaluate your QB for the next, bigger contract? Are they a real difference maker or a QB that can only be as good as the quality surrounding him?

Do you know why the Chiefs nearly paid Mahomes a half billion dollars? It's because they are convinced he's good enough to make his team better. That's why the Bills just paid Allen a quarter billion dollars. They are convinced he has the skills to make his team better.
If Daniel Jones  
Producer : 10/6/2021 7:45 pm : link
has 12 more games close to or beyond last week, nobody's gonna argue about the 5th year and talk of extension.

But if he has 5 clunkers the rest of the way. The argument will continue.
Right and I’ve been arguing the whole time  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2021 7:47 pm : link
that Jones isn’t worth that nor would he get it. I broke down the extensions on another thread and the best comp when taking into account production + situation is Tannehill and his guaranteed money was low (50% of the contract). He also got that because he got them to the playoffs and won a game. There’s no point of discussing $250m extensions, he isn’t getting close to that unless something completely unforeseen happens and he has a monster season catapulting us to the playoffs.

So I’m not really sure what the question is. He needs better talent to succeed, there’s no shame in that. That doesn’t mean we are now going to pay him $35m per year.
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bw in dc : 10/6/2021 7:48 pm : link
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It’s not all Jones. I’ve been a critic of Jones at times too. I just think it’s ludicrous that you’re now giving credit to all the talent around him when the talent he has around him is likely less than league average. Again, you never answered so I’ll ask again. What too 10 QB would willingly change places with Jones right now? Every single one of them plays with talented players around them. Every one. Exactly which QB is rolling out there with zero weapons and a dumpster fire of an OL and leading his team to victories all by himself?

Also again, if you honestly think Jones has all this talent around him, why have I not seen you giving any credit to your nemesis, Dave Gettleman?


I'm not giving all the credit to the influx of talent Jones has. I really don't know - yet - how much is Jones and how much is the talent. But Jones looks to be playing better than last year.

Your question is a bit silly because I have no problem seeing a great QB coming into this team and demonstrating the ability to get the absolute most out of the surrounding talent. And then we would hear a cacophony of "Gee, I didn't realize how good some of our players are..." That's what great players can do...
I think most of us are skeptical still  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 7:50 pm : link
We all need to see more. I just don’t understand this talent around him thing. Most Giants fans have gone off the rails about the OL and the Golladay contract and the terrible TEs. So let’s say he’s finally got some talent around him now. Why is the expectation that the talent will only get worse? Where? Golladay and Toney aren’t going anywhere. Neither is Thomas. I would think Barkley isn’t either but who knows. Other than that, is there anyone else in this offense that is irreplaceable and couldn’t/shouldn’t be upgraded in the next couple of seasons? Where is the fall off in talent gonna happen down the road? Every player on the OL besides Thomas can be upgraded. TE can be upgraded. WRs can be upgraded. If Jones is effective playing with this group, where is the talent drop off coming in the next few years to make us concerned? To me, at least, it seems it would be more realistic to add to the talent than the other way, I guess we shall see
bw in dc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2021 7:51 pm : link
Solid retort.

Where’s Googs?  
Bergen346 : 10/6/2021 8:34 pm : link
Been silent recently
RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
EricJ : 10/6/2021 8:39 pm : link
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On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast.


you just described Eli ..
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joeinpa : 10/6/2021 8:48 pm : link
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for the BBI DJ master haters.



I don’t get these types of comments. Does anyone really hate DJ? His detractors want to see more of this on a consistent basis. Is that really a terrible ask? We are all rooting for him regardless. It’s better for the Giants if DJ turns out to be that guy.

Aren’t we all Giants fans in the end? This place is so clique-ish.



The problem here has always been expectations of Jones.

Some of us believe he has a major responsibility as the QB - and a high investment - to do more. To carry the load and make chicken salad (even if the supporting cast isn't the Chiefs).

Did you have the same expectation of Eli during the second half of his career when the Giants were mired in losing

Not sure but I think Read your complaints about how the Giants ruin the second half of his career

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bw in dc : 10/6/2021 8:54 pm : link
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On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast.



you just described Eli ..


That was the Eli version from 2016 on.
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BigBlueShock : 10/6/2021 9:32 pm : link
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On the other hand, the majority of posters have viewed Jones as just another piece in the offense and he'll only be as good as his supporting cast.



you just described Eli ..



That was the Eli version from 2016 on.

Do you have any examples of QBs that made “chicken salad” out of a terrible roster and put the team on his shoulders and single handedly lead them to a title? You seem to have a romanticized idea of what QBs are capable of when they have no talent around them. So who are the guys? Who led a terrible roster through terrible coaching and despite all that, held the Lombardi? You haven’t been able to answer any of my other questions (not surprising) so answer this one. Who has actually done that?
RE: If Daniel Jones  
Dukie Dimes : 10/6/2021 10:20 pm : link
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has 12 more games close to or beyond last week, nobody's gonna argue about the 5th year and talk of extension.

But if he has 5 clunkers the rest of the way. The argument will continue.


Lol. 12 more games of 400 yards passing and 2 TDs with a comeback victory. I don’t think you want a QB. I think you want a comics superhero.
BigBlueShock...  
bw in dc : 10/6/2021 10:21 pm : link
No QB has taken "a terrible roster and put the team on his shoulders and single handedly lead them to a title..." I have never come close to suggesting that is what I have in mind. Although what Elway did with those Broncos teams in the '80s is pretty damn close. So you are distorting what I am saying.

What I have suggested is there are QBs who can take an average-to-average-plus roster (on offense) and make it much better. See many of those Seattle teams that Wilson has played on, especially on offense, and taken deep into the playoffs. Brees and Rodgers have done similar work. Obviously Brady is the gold standard.

And based on their physical skills, I certainly don't think it's a stretch for the Chiefs and Bills to trust their current QBs to do the same.

Obviously you always want to build the best possible team, but these types of players give management so much margin for error in that endeavor because their QBs are force multipliers.

Why you couldn't think of these on your own is strange...

Which brings me back to Jones. Despite his good performance so far, I don't know if he's that force multiplier-type or QB who looks better because his supporting cast is now better. And that's going to be a very important piece to accurately evaluate him if it's decided his deserves that critical second contract...
really....  
Brown_Hornet : 10/6/2021 10:50 pm : link
...?
The only award I care about is the Giants winning the Lombardi  
GeofromNJ : 10/6/2021 10:59 pm : link
If DJ wins the SB MVP, I'll take that too, but it's not necessary.
RE: RE: If Daniel Jones  
Producer : 10/6/2021 11:14 pm : link
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has 12 more games close to or beyond last week, nobody's gonna argue about the 5th year and talk of extension.

But if he has 5 clunkers the rest of the way. The argument will continue.



Lol. 12 more games of 400 yards passing and 2 TDs with a comeback victory. I don’t think you want a QB. I think you want a comics superhero.


If he puts up a bunch of stinkers in between good performances I don't want him, and neither should you.
Good to see this piss certain people off.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2021 11:17 pm : link
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Producer : 10/6/2021 11:23 pm : link
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Certainly not me. I hope he's player of the week, or a contender, evwry week. He earned the distinction this week.
 
christian : 10/6/2021 11:46 pm : link
I’ve always thought and believed Jones has the talent to be good not great.

To me a great QB means any given year your QB gives you a genuine shot at a ring, no matter what else might go wrong. I don’t see that in Jones.

Jones in my view has the ceiling of a Joe Flacco. A few plus qualities a few obvious flaws. That’s a good ceiling. If most things go well, a guy like that can deliver a ring.

I didn’t develop doubts about Jones over a few games. It takes several games for a trend. He’s played some bad football. He’s played much better football this year, but I’m not prepared to call him a good quarterback until he puts up at least a good half of a season.
Dave Gettleman still needs to go.  
joe48 : 10/7/2021 6:54 am : link
May have found our next QB but has not built OL.
DJ has been brutalized weekly by some posters here. Pretty clear that he has had to play with too many sub par players. He should give Dallas problems but our defense will need to somehow play very good to win. Dallas defense will play aggressive and take chances because they feel the offense will be able to get points.
Prescott is good but because he plays in Dallas gets media praise . He has had the best supporting cast probably in the league. When Dallas running game was less than stellar he falters. I’ll take Jones on my team.
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joeinpa : 10/7/2021 7:23 am : link
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I’ve always thought and believed Jones has the talent to be good not great.

To me a great QB means any given year your QB gives you a genuine shot at a ring, no matter what else might go wrong. I don’t see that in Jones.

Jones in my view has the ceiling of a Joe Flacco. A few plus qualities a few obvious flaws. That’s a good ceiling. If most things go well, a guy like that can deliver a ring.

I didn’t develop doubts about Jones over a few games. It takes several games for a trend. He’s played some bad football. He’s played much better football this year, but I’m not prepared to call him a good quarterback until he puts up at least a good half of a season.



Jones is so much more athletic than Flacko, don t see that comparison at all.

I don't think he's comparing him to Flacco  
UConn4523 : 10/7/2021 7:50 am : link
based on the attributes, but roughly the same amount of attributes. I understand that POV.

That said we got to see 10+ years of Flacco and I see more potential with Jones. His rookie year alone scored more than Flacco did until year 7 and that was with Jones missing 2-3 games. Jones is more accurate as well. Flacco gets the nod in arm strength for sure but the rest is kinda TBD. He got sacked quite a bit and had his share of fumbles too. He definitely showed up in the playoffs, something we won't know about Jones until we get there, if ever.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This isn't good  
Dr. D : 10/7/2021 10:33 am : link
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The problem here has always been expectations of Jones.

Some of us believe he has a major responsibility as the QB - and a high investment - to do more.


I don't think you really understand what the problem has been. Our ultimate expectations are probably not that different. I don't think any Giants fan would be happy if Jones turned out to be a mid to lower tier QB.

The difference is some of us recognized the flashes he's showed, especially his rookie year, along with the long list of shit going against him last year (see above), in addition to the fact he's still developing, etc. and therefore thought it was wise to give him a little more time to prove himself (with a normal offseason, more experience, talent, etc.).

Some didn't recognize or acknowledge those facts and made up their minds already. That's the problem; in a nutshell.

Ok, maybe I was wrong. After reading more of your posts, maybe our expectations are different. I don't think it's realistic for a QB to make chicken salad out of chicken shit (especially in their 1st or 2nd seasons). Haven't seen too many examples of that, ever.

I have seen good to great QBs look bad or mediocre on bad teams (including Eli). And I've seen plenty of good to great QBs (even HOFers) not look so good their first year or two in the league (also including Eli). I know, can't compare... for some reason.
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