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DaddyM89 : 10/6/2021 9:44 pm
Seems other teams fans/writers starting to take notice of Jones. However, can't see the giants making the same mistake jets made with Darnold if Jones continues to progress.
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This week  
Thegratefulhead : 10/7/2021 12:08 pm : link
He has to come up big in division games. If Jones has a great game and we win, some people that have been overly critical of Jones are going to take a beating.

Don't gloat yet.

If Jones fumbles in the Red Zone against air and is the reason we lose, those of you taking victory laps on Jones after 1 win are going to look ridiculous.

Admit we don't know and watch.
So who are we drafting?  
Joe Beckwith : 10/7/2021 12:36 pm : link
Howell, Rattler, Young…?

RE: Every fucking thread someone says something positive about Jones  
fireitup77 : 10/7/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15401794 BestFeature said:
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these two come in and shit all over him. Rooting for him to do poorly so that they can brag that they were right. Also, bw thinks Garrett is good and is being held back by Jones, the one time he opened up the offense LIKE EVERYONE SAID HE SHOULD Jones came back from 11 down in the 4th quarter and put up 400 yards. But no it's all on Jones and Garrett is great. I've never seen so many "fans" root for the failure of a Giants player for the benefit of their own egos.



BW is an admitted WFT fan. He was here early in Eli's career shitting on him. He disappeared when Eli started winning super bowls. Came back late in Eli's career to shit some more.

Now he's doing the same with Jones. B ignore him he's a troll.
RE: This week  
Mike from Ohio : 10/7/2021 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15402058 Thegratefulhead said:
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He has to come up big in division games. If Jones has a great game and we win, some people that have been overly critical of Jones are going to take a beating.


And here is the problem with this site!

Why should people who were critical of Jones take a beating? He warranted much of that with his play. When his play gets better the criticism goes away. Let's not act like people were on him for 3 bad games his rookie year.

And if Jones plays badly this week, should people who have been supportive of Jones take a beating? Of course not.

The problem with BBI is that both groups will rotate beatings because nobody can simply have an opinion based on what they see that is allowed to change as they see more.
RE: RE: Every fucking thread someone says something positive about Jones  
BestFeature : 10/7/2021 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15402105 fireitup77 said:
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In comment 15401794 BestFeature said:


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these two come in and shit all over him. Rooting for him to do poorly so that they can brag that they were right. Also, bw thinks Garrett is good and is being held back by Jones, the one time he opened up the offense LIKE EVERYONE SAID HE SHOULD Jones came back from 11 down in the 4th quarter and put up 400 yards. But no it's all on Jones and Garrett is great. I've never seen so many "fans" root for the failure of a Giants player for the benefit of their own egos.




BW is an admitted WFT fan. He was here early in Eli's career shitting on him. He disappeared when Eli started winning super bowls. Came back late in Eli's career to shit some more.

Now he's doing the same with Jones. B ignore him he's a troll.


Look I've been critical of Eli and Jones but to me there's a difference between criticizing a QB when he plays poorly and criticizing a QB when he plays well or is getting praised. The latter makes me feel like you're rooting for someone to fail. That said I've probably been guilty of it with Eli at some point and still to some degree.
RE: RE: RE: What an inane article  
bw in dc : 10/7/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15401840 JB_in_DC said:
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I suggest you refamiliarize with Darnold's final eight games in the 2019 season. He went 6-2, 13 TDs/4INTs, 64% completion, 8 YPA, 8+ AY/A, and a 60+ QBR. And nobody would confuse that offensive roster to be replete with quality talent...



I familiarized myself with Darnold's final 8 in 2019 and he threw for 61%, 7.29 Y/A, 7.59 AY/A. He also lost 2 fumbles in that span. And only one of the teams he beat in that span had a winning record, the Bills in Week 17, and they were playing their backups.


You are 100% correct. My bad. I was doing the numbers quickly in my head and completely whiffed.

RE: RE: This week  
BrettNYG10 : 10/7/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15402128 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15402058 Thegratefulhead said:


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He has to come up big in division games. If Jones has a great game and we win, some people that have been overly critical of Jones are going to take a beating.




And here is the problem with this site!

Why should people who were critical of Jones take a beating? He warranted much of that with his play. When his play gets better the criticism goes away. Let's not act like people were on him for 3 bad games his rookie year.

And if Jones plays badly this week, should people who have been supportive of Jones take a beating? Of course not.

The problem with BBI is that both groups will rotate beatings because nobody can simply have an opinion based on what they see that is allowed to change as they see more.


I don't know why a good game invalidates previous criticism.

I don't think Jones would turn into a top ten QB but do think he has the potential - if he does, then I'll happily admit I was wrong. But that doesn't mean his 2020 season was actually good.
RE: Every fucking thread someone says something positive about Jones  
bw in dc : 10/7/2021 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15401794 BestFeature said:
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these two come in and shit all over him. Rooting for him to do poorly so that they can brag that they were right. Also, bw thinks Garrett is good and is being held back by Jones, the one time he opened up the offense LIKE EVERYONE SAID HE SHOULD Jones came back from 11 down in the 4th quarter and put up 400 yards. But no it's all on Jones and Garrett is great. I've never seen so many "fans" root for the failure of a Giants player for the benefit of their own egos.


Show me one line of any post where I'm am rooting for Jones to poorly. That's just preposterous. It's really just your imagination.

I try to keep commentary on Jones's play using metrics and how he stacks up against his peers.

Furthermore, I am actually neutral on Garrett. But shifting the offense's struggles on him primarily is just absurd. A red herring. Garrett has had success in the NFL as a play-caller and OC. So he's far from the incompetent fool many here suggest he is.

I don't have an ego or a desire to be right. I have strong opinions and don't default to the simplistic comfort of "Go Giants! Everything is going to be great!" routine...
RE: RE: Every fucking thread someone says something positive about Jones  
Thegratefulhead : 10/7/2021 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15402328 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15401794 BestFeature said:


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these two come in and shit all over him. Rooting for him to do poorly so that they can brag that they were right. Also, bw thinks Garrett is good and is being held back by Jones, the one time he opened up the offense LIKE EVERYONE SAID HE SHOULD Jones came back from 11 down in the 4th quarter and put up 400 yards. But no it's all on Jones and Garrett is great. I've never seen so many "fans" root for the failure of a Giants player for the benefit of their own egos.



Show me one line of any post where I'm am rooting for Jones to poorly. That's just preposterous. It's really just your imagination.

I try to keep commentary on Jones's play using metrics and how he stacks up against his peers.

Furthermore, I am actually neutral on Garrett. But shifting the offense's struggles on him primarily is just absurd. A red herring. Garrett has had success in the NFL as a play-caller and OC. So he's far from the incompetent fool many here suggest he is.

I don't have an ego or a desire to be right. I have strong opinions and don't default to the simplistic comfort of "Go Giants! Everything is going to be great!" routine...
Backing up BW here. He is never rooting for Jones to fail. He is looking for more than just last week.

I like QBR. The QBR through 4 games tells me Jones decision making is improved. 4 games is not insignificant. Last week he really looked the part. He played with real confidence. We could be seeing a Josh Allen like year 3 coming. If he improves in the red zone, we might really have something.

If we find out out that Jones is a bonafide franchise QB this year the outlook for this team changes dramatically. If the LT keeps ascending...

2 first round picks next year...

BW...just pause.

The narrative could easily flip. People will start praising.....wait for it....DG.
Raw QBR  
Thegratefulhead : 10/7/2021 3:48 pm : link
Where you do not adjust for opposing defensive strength, Jones is 7, ahead of Josh Allen.

Big week. If Jones puts forth a solid game against Dallas, you have to start giving him some love.
RE: RE: RE: Every fucking thread someone says something positive about Jones  
fireitup77 : 10/7/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15402376 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 15402328 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15401794 BestFeature said:


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these two come in and shit all over him. Rooting for him to do poorly so that they can brag that they were right. Also, bw thinks Garrett is good and is being held back by Jones, the one time he opened up the offense LIKE EVERYONE SAID HE SHOULD Jones came back from 11 down in the 4th quarter and put up 400 yards. But no it's all on Jones and Garrett is great. I've never seen so many "fans" root for the failure of a Giants player for the benefit of their own egos.



Show me one line of any post where I'm am rooting for Jones to poorly. That's just preposterous. It's really just your imagination.

I try to keep commentary on Jones's play using metrics and how he stacks up against his peers.

Furthermore, I am actually neutral on Garrett. But shifting the offense's struggles on him primarily is just absurd. A red herring. Garrett has had success in the NFL as a play-caller and OC. So he's far from the incompetent fool many here suggest he is.

I don't have an ego or a desire to be right. I have strong opinions and don't default to the simplistic comfort of "Go Giants! Everything is going to be great!" routine...

Backing up BW here. He is never rooting for Jones to fail. He is looking for more than just last week.

I like QBR. The QBR through 4 games tells me Jones decision making is improved. 4 games is not insignificant. Last week he really looked the part. He played with real confidence. We could be seeing a Josh Allen like year 3 coming. If he improves in the red zone, we might really have something.

If we find out out that Jones is a bonafide franchise QB this year the outlook for this team changes dramatically. If the LT keeps ascending...

2 first round picks next year...

BW...just pause.

The narrative could easily flip. People will start praising.....wait for it....DG.



No he's not. He's a troll. Shit on Eli then disappeared. Came back and admitted he's a WFT FAN. now he's doing the same with Jones. Went anyone read his shit is beyond me.
RE: RE: and comparing anything to what the Jets did  
djm : 10/8/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15402025 Amtoft said:
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is laughable. Not only is it apples and oranges, it's the Jets.



I will throw in Zach Wilson is a tremendous prospect. Way better than Sam Darnold. It doesn't matter how well Sam Darnold is playing now. If Zach Wilson turns out to be the better quarterback, which I think he will, it was a good move by them. As a matter of fact if a prospect comes that is as good at Zach Wilson... There won't be... Then the Giants should move Jones for that. Wilson is going to be amazing.


Yea I don’t want to necessarily blame the jets for trading darnold. But they won’t look good of darnold confines to resemble a 26 year old Big Ben. Wilson is fine for now but god help them if darnold finds his way and Wilson doesn’t.

Not my problem. I got enough to worry about with big blue.
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