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pjcas18 : 10/7/2021 7:50 am
just thought I'd start an NHL discussion thread - non-Rangers specific, but people can discuss any team (including the Rangers).

A lot of things to discuss:
1. Eichel activity picking up (LAK, NYR and LVG the rumored landing spots) I read yesterday it's beyond medicals at this point and the teams involved have seen them and are comfortable they have a treatment plan.

2. Two week pause in February for Olympics

3. Rule changes: not much, mainly just stricter enforcement of cross checking. Not sure how it will manifest, but my guess is two places - along the boards and in front of the net where cross checking has become almost an accepted method of play will become a penalty - early in the season expect a lot of those calls

4. Obviously COVID protocols, and cross border. The NHL has a lot of protocols for unvaccinated and fines or suspensions for missing those protocols, I'm not clear on all of them yet, but I do know in Canada if you are not vaccinated you cannot leave the team hotel for anything except team activities. Not sure if that's true in the US too.

Predictions? Expectations?
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RE: I'd like to hear a reporter ask Gallant  
Anakim : 10/12/2021 10:13 am : link
In comment 15409315 pjcas18 said:
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He should be the captain now. You can always adjust.



IDK, I think it'd be pretty awkward to strip ZIbanejad of the C just to put it on Laf or Fox.
Pumped for tonight's action especially the late one  
Stu11 : 10/12/2021 10:20 am : link
Vegas is always a great venue and gotta catch the first Kracken action. The early one lacks luster do to no Crosby, Malkin or Guentzel.
RE: RE: I'd like to hear a reporter ask Gallant  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15410371 Anakim said:
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He should be the captain now. You can always adjust.





IDK, I think it'd be pretty awkward to strip ZIbanejad of the C just to put it on Laf or Fox.


it depends how they determine captain.

Sharks reassigned captain from Thornton to Pavelski - Thornton took the A after that.

And even before that went from Marleau to Rob Blake.

Marleau wore an A for almost a decade after that.

EDM "took" captain away from Ference before making McDavid captain.

I don't think it's what you think.
Anyone do fantasy hockey? Had a draft Sunday  
Stu11 : 10/12/2021 10:21 am : link
And did my first hockey auction ever last night it was fun. $200 cap and Connor Mac went for 82!
RE: Anyone do fantasy hockey? Had a draft Sunday  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15410385 Stu11 said:
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And did my first hockey auction ever last night it was fun. $200 cap and Connor Mac went for 82!


I'm in a league with my hockey teammates. not auction, it's snake draft. I always think my team is awesome but usually finish middle of the pack.

C: Point
C: Suzuki
LW: DeBrincat
LW: Hyman
RW: Pastrnak
RW: Laine
D: Carlson
D: McAvoy
Util: Heiskanen
Util: Toews
Bench: Farabee
Bench: Luc-Dubois
IR: Hoffman
IR+ Drouin

G: Sorokin
G: Samsonov
G: Knight

without seeing other teams I know it's hard to evaluate, but I feel like that team should be good in 6x4 scoring (6 player categories and 4 goalie categories)
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pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 10:31 am : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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35m
Suzuki: 8x$7.875
Rangers are gooning it up for opening night  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 10:49 am : link
Tinordi stays with the big club while Kravtsov goes to Hartford. I'm not going to get upset about it yet. I'm hoping it's just some stupid "let's send a message to Tom Wilson" crap and Kravtsov comes back up after the game.

It had better be.
Reaves is out  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 11:35 am : link
right? I'd call off the whole goon squad game and just beat WAS on the ice.

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pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 11:35 am : link
Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
· 1h
The Canadiens have agreed to terms on an eight-year, $63 million contract extension (2022-22 to 2029-30) with forward Nick Suzuki.

#GoHabsGo
https://nhl.com/canadiens/news
Wow - not a goon squad move  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 11:36 am : link


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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9m
Hearing NYR have given Vitali Kravtsov permission to contact other clubs in seek of a trade. Kravtsov did not make the Opening Day roster.
Looks like Kravtsov wants out of NYR and is seeking a trade  
Metnut : 10/12/2021 11:36 am : link
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Whoa,  
Mad Mike : 10/12/2021 11:38 am : link
I assumed Krav being sent down was just temporary so they had some time to try and trade Hajek instead of putting him through waivers. Disappointing that things have gotten so sour.
It looks like this allure of the Garden and the Rangers is....  
Drewcon40 : 10/12/2021 11:44 am : link
...a myth. The Lias Anderson situation and now seemingly Kravtsov? I thought he was going to be the first call up.....Giants and Rangers - 2 flagship franchises, may no longer be appealing to a new generation of players.
that's just swell  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 11:47 am : link
So far, Chris Drury has been terrible
I mean, Lias Anderson has been terrible in the NHL  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 11:52 am : link
But I get your point
I was wrong on Lias  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 11:54 am : link
I thought he'd be good, but he's flaking out in LA too.

it's why hockey is harder than football at drafting. these kids are 17/18 when you draft them. Hard to project intangibles (or even tangibles in some cases) and often it's the small things that make the difference between AHL/NHL.
I just don't get what the hell their plan is  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 11:57 am : link
They gave Buchnevich away for some hump of a grinder supposedly so there would be more opportunity for guys like Kravtsov, and now they're driving Kravtsov away. Beautiful, just beautiful. Can't wait to see the garbage they take in return on this one.
Is Emerson Etem still active?  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 11:57 am : link
Maybe they could trade for that stiff again.
RE: I just don't get what the hell their plan is  
BrettNYG10 : 10/12/2021 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15410601 Greg from LI said:
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They gave Buchnevich away for some hump of a grinder supposedly so there would be more opportunity for guys like Kravtsov, and now they're driving Kravtsov away. Beautiful, just beautiful. Can't wait to see the garbage they take in return on this one.


Glad we traded Buchnevich to make room for Kravtsov.
Also glad they chose sending Kravtsov down  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 12:11 pm : link
Rather than running the risk of losing Libor Hajek on waivers. Dodged a bullet there!
CBJ names a captain  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 1:02 pm : link
(Boone Jenner)

that leaves ARI, CAL, BUF, OTT, and NYR with no captain.

Not a group I'd like to be part of and it's not just a formality IMO. - also though not making it into a huge issue, but I'd have a captain.


The six teams without a captain are the Arizona Coyotes, Buffalo Sabres, Calgary Flames, Columbus Blue Jackets, New York Rangers, and Ottawa Senators
RE: RE: Anyone do fantasy hockey? Had a draft Sunday  
Stu11 : 10/12/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15410406 pjcas18 said:
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And did my first hockey auction ever last night it was fun. $200 cap and Connor Mac went for 82!



I'm in a league with my hockey teammates. not auction, it's snake draft. I always think my team is awesome but usually finish middle of the pack.

C: Point
C: Suzuki
LW: DeBrincat
LW: Hyman
RW: Pastrnak
RW: Laine
D: Carlson
D: McAvoy
Util: Heiskanen
Util: Toews
Bench: Farabee
Bench: Luc-Dubois
IR: Hoffman
IR+ Drouin

G: Sorokin
G: Samsonov
G: Knight

without seeing other teams I know it's hard to evaluate, but I feel like that team should be good in 6x4 scoring (6 player categories and 4 goalie categories)

Yeah that's a solid team. Pasta could have a huge year, Point is solid and Carlson is always underated. He goes behind Fox, Makar but him and Hamilton are about as reliable as it gets from the back line. I like your goaltending too.nKnight is a real breakout candidate, anyone who plays net for the Isles puts up great #'s and Varlomov seems to have a mysterious injury. You can't go wrong with Samsonov I always like solid if not spectacular goalies on good teams. I'm like you PJ I always like my team out of the draft, but always seem to struggle. It's by far my worst fantasy sport.
Fight night back on tomorrow  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 1:23 pm : link
Reaves is ready to go.

per Mercogliano twitter
Seravalli  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 2:09 pm : link
suggests maybe a Kravtsov for Strome trade could be good for both teams
this guy gets it  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 2:31 pm : link
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HockeyStatMiner
@HockeyStatMiner
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20m
People trying to pin this on Kravtsov. When you sign a KHL phenom to an entry-level contract *that includes a European Reassignment Clause* and then play games on Year 3 of that ELC? These are the prizes you win.

What made Shesterkin’s AHL stint so gracious was it *wasn’t* SOP.


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HockeyStatMiner
@HockeyStatMiner
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10m
His AHL salary is ~$400/day

His NHL salary is between $4600 - $9200 per day (depending on performance bonuses)

Factor in whatever salary he could be getting in the KHL, but chose not to

You can call him a crybaby but all this to *maybe* preserve Libor Hajek? Can you blame him?

Agree pj  
PwndPapi : 10/12/2021 2:55 pm : link
It's a legitimate gripe and Kravy has shown to be a playmaker with improving 2-way play. Even if he wasn't pegged to play top-6 minutes yet, we rather play Barron, Blais? I don't get what Drury is doing here.
Exactly  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 3:03 pm : link
The Rangers top 6 is tough to crack, which is a good thing IMO, and it shouldn't mean you are beholden to a traditional bottom 6.

Kravtsov was the #9 overall pick in the draft and is in year 3 of his ELC.

The Rangers should be putting him either in a position to succeed or pumping up his value to trade him.

Neither of those is accomplished in the AHL.

This blurb from EP I think nails Kravtsov and it's probably what drives coaches crazy. Sort of Malkin syndrome (though not comparing the two really) where the player has so much skill but seems to only give max effort when they want to.

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A big, skilled winger that can play up and down the lineup and provide scoring in a number of roles. He brings grit and physical size, but could be more assertive in throwing his weight around more. Displays excellent speed on the rush and in zone entry, but could backcheck quicker. Plays well in his own end and takes away lanes. Very good hands and awareness. Kravtsov has the potential to develop into a staple top six forward that can produce at the next level. [EP]
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pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 3:21 pm : link
Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper
·
5h
It’s sounds like the @NHL
is leaning towards suspending @SanJoseSharks
Kane under supplementary discipline ( 18- 18A of the CBA. After serving his set amount of games it’s likely he’ll be clear to resume his career. @FAN590
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Stu11 : 10/12/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15411037 pjcas18 said:
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Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper
·
5h
It’s sounds like the @NHL
is leaning towards suspending @SanJoseSharks
Kane under supplementary discipline ( 18- 18A of the CBA. After serving his set amount of games it’s likely he’ll be clear to resume his career. @FAN590

I'm all for due process and divoces get messy so be careful to listen to one side's accusations. However there seems to be a whole lot of smoke around Kane for there to be no fire at all.
I think the gambling  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 5:01 pm : link
stuff is most concerning, his estranged wife made those allegations and a dissolving marriage is rife for misrepresentations, so who knows.
RE: I think the gambling  
Stu11 : 10/12/2021 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15411207 pjcas18 said:
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stuff is most concerning, his estranged wife made those allegations and a dissolving marriage is rife for misrepresentations, so who knows.

yep definately the gambling is the big problem. If you saw his interview with Linda Cohn, it was pretty much a non-denial denial. Sounded very Pete Rose-ish. "Yes I have a big gambling problem but I never ever bet on hockey!"
isnt he also in trouble  
KDubbs : 10/12/2021 5:14 pm : link
for a fake vaccination card?
RE: isnt he also in trouble  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15411231 KDubbs said:
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for a fake vaccination card?


Yes, not sure what the league would do about that though, it's almost like using a fake ID.
RE: RE: isnt he also in trouble  
KDubbs : 10/12/2021 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15411249 pjcas18 said:
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for a fake vaccination card?



Yes, not sure what the league would do about that though, it's almost like using a fake ID.


oh ok. just hard to keep straight what he is in trouble for at any time
RE: RE: RE: isnt he also in trouble  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15411252 KDubbs said:
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for a fake vaccination card?



Yes, not sure what the league would do about that though, it's almost like using a fake ID.



oh ok. just hard to keep straight what he is in trouble for at any time


Hey, for all I know a fake vaccine card gets him the NHL death penalty, who knows, seems minor to me in terms of NHL discipline, but nothing would surprise me.
RE: this guy gets it  
BrettNYG10 : 10/12/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15410947 pjcas18 said:
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HockeyStatMiner
@HockeyStatMiner
·
20m
People trying to pin this on Kravtsov. When you sign a KHL phenom to an entry-level contract *that includes a European Reassignment Clause* and then play games on Year 3 of that ELC? These are the prizes you win.

What made Shesterkin’s AHL stint so gracious was it *wasn’t* SOP.





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HockeyStatMiner
@HockeyStatMiner
·
10m
His AHL salary is ~$400/day

His NHL salary is between $4600 - $9200 per day (depending on performance bonuses)

Factor in whatever salary he could be getting in the KHL, but chose not to

You can call him a crybaby but all this to *maybe* preserve Libor Hajek? Can you blame him?




100%, I don't blame him. This is the second high draft pick to ask out. It's on NYR.
We criticize ESPN a lot but bringing back the iconic  
dpinzow : 10/12/2021 7:05 pm : link
National Hockey Night theme is a big plus. Wish they brought back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement too
RE: We criticize ESPN a lot but bringing back the iconic  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15411337 dpinzow said:
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National Hockey Night theme is a big plus. Wish they brought back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement too


Yeah they were a great team
First goal  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 8:42 pm : link
of the season belongs to Danton Heinen off the sloppy goalie play from Vasilevskiy. 1 - 0 Pens
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2021 9:00 pm : link
Never seem so much NHL content on ESPN. I'm assuming they bought their rights?
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pjcas18 : 10/12/2021 9:44 pm : link
Sportsnet Stats
@SNstats
· 4h
Heaviest Opening Night NHL rosters

Rangers 203.4 pounds
Ducks 203.1
Flames 202.7
Islanders 202.6
Golden Knights 202.0
RE: We criticize ESPN a lot but bringing back the iconic  
Stu11 : 10/13/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15411337 dpinzow said:
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National Hockey Night theme is a big plus. Wish they brought back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement too

What did you guys think about the feature they did at the opening on the guy that composed the ESPN hockey theme? Overall I liked it if you can get past the douche chills of Justin Bieber narrating it. A few things though:
1. A little long. 6 minutes for an opening? Come on
2. The line about that theme not being heard on ESPN since hockey left the network is total BS. Every time they've done a hockey segment the past 15 or 20 years they've played it.
RE: Devil's sent Holtz to the AHL  
Jay on the Island : 10/13/2021 10:57 am : link
In comment 15409265 Stu11 said:
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I think he played well enough to make the team but they want him getting top 6 and PP time down there being as he's only 19. I'm mixed on it. While I agree with Ruff's premise, the fact is the AHL is not a great developmental league for top prospects and frankly if he out played other players in camp he should be on the roster to start for at least a little bit to see if he can handle the speed of regular season NHL.

I was very disappointed about this at first because he looked great with Hughes and Sharangovich but the kid is only 19 and the Devils have rushed too many young players up too soon lately. It's probably better to let him spend time in Utica on the top line for more seasoning. It's no surprise that Mercer made the team but I just hope that they use him at center and move Zacha back to wing where he thrived.
RE: RE: We criticize ESPN a lot but bringing back the iconic  
Jay on the Island : 10/13/2021 11:10 am : link
In comment 15411380 Greg from LI said:
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National Hockey Night theme is a big plus. Wish they brought back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement too



Yeah they were a great team

It would be even better if they could bring Doc Emrick out of retirement.
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pjcas18 : 10/13/2021 11:36 am : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
1h
Hearing NASH gets a key piece of business done. Mattias Ekholm re-signing at 4 years, $6.25M AAV (not $6.35)
RE: RE: Devil's sent Holtz to the AHL  
Stu11 : 10/13/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15411852 Jay on the Island said:
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I think he played well enough to make the team but they want him getting top 6 and PP time down there being as he's only 19. I'm mixed on it. While I agree with Ruff's premise, the fact is the AHL is not a great developmental league for top prospects and frankly if he out played other players in camp he should be on the roster to start for at least a little bit to see if he can handle the speed of regular season NHL.


I was very disappointed about this at first because he looked great with Hughes and Sharangovich but the kid is only 19 and the Devils have rushed too many young players up too soon lately. It's probably better to let him spend time in Utica on the top line for more seasoning. It's no surprise that Mercer made the team but I just hope that they use him at center and move Zacha back to wing where he thrived.

I know Ruff intimated on multiple occasions in camp that Zacha was a C for now, but that he'd love for other options. I agree hopefully he puts Mercer there. Zacha played the best hockey of his career at wing last season.
RE: RE: RE: Devil's sent Holtz to the AHL  
Jay on the Island : 10/13/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15411947 Stu11 said:
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I know Ruff intimated on multiple occasions in camp that Zacha was a C for now, but that he'd love for other options. I agree hopefully he puts Mercer there. Zacha played the best hockey of his career at wing last season.

I understood it at the beginning of camp but with Mercer performing as I expected I think that he should be the 3rd line center with McLeod as the 4th. This is how I arrange the lines.
Tatar Hughes Sharangovich
Zacha Hischier Bratt
Kuokkanen Mercer Johnsson
Wood McLeod Vesey

Smith Hamilton
Graves Severson
Siegenthaler Subban
I agree with your lines Jay  
Stu11 : 10/13/2021 12:14 pm : link
Unfortunately the past few days they have skated with Tatar on the 3rd line and Kuokkanen skating with Hughes and Sharengovich. makes no sense to me. Kuokks is a nice player but he's not a top 6 guy and Tuna clearly is.
RE: I agree with your lines Jay  
Jay on the Island : 10/13/2021 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15412026 Stu11 said:
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Unfortunately the past few days they have skated with Tatar on the 3rd line and Kuokkanen skating with Hughes and Sharengovich. makes no sense to me. Kuokks is a nice player but he's not a top 6 guy and Tuna clearly is.

I agree, Kuokkanen was very good last season when he played with Hughes and Sharangovich but that was mostly a product of Hughes and Sharangovich. Kuokkanen is a 3rd line player on a playoff team. I would much rather see a better play like Tatar on the first line.
Nice to see  
pjcas18 : 10/13/2021 8:30 pm : link
Drouin get the goal in his return.
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