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pjcas18 : 10/7/2021 7:50 am
just thought I'd start an NHL discussion thread - non-Rangers specific, but people can discuss any team (including the Rangers).

A lot of things to discuss:
1. Eichel activity picking up (LAK, NYR and LVG the rumored landing spots) I read yesterday it's beyond medicals at this point and the teams involved have seen them and are comfortable they have a treatment plan.

2. Two week pause in February for Olympics

3. Rule changes: not much, mainly just stricter enforcement of cross checking. Not sure how it will manifest, but my guess is two places - along the boards and in front of the net where cross checking has become almost an accepted method of play will become a penalty - early in the season expect a lot of those calls

4. Obviously COVID protocols, and cross border. The NHL has a lot of protocols for unvaccinated and fines or suspensions for missing those protocols, I'm not clear on all of them yet, but I do know in Canada if you are not vaccinated you cannot leave the team hotel for anything except team activities. Not sure if that's true in the US too.

Predictions? Expectations?
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Not sure Eichel  
pjcas18 : 11/1/2021 3:55 pm : link
would help this quickly, but who knows.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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INJURY UPDATE: Vegas Golden Knights forward William Karlsson expected to miss roughly 6 weeks with a broken foot, per @JesseGranger_
. #VegasBorn
RE: Mercer has been the brightest spot on the team so far  
Jay on the Island : 11/2/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15435954 Stu11 said:
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His all around game has been exactly as advertised. Threw the best hit of the day and also got Korpisolo so mad he actually took a swing at him lol. Yeah Sharengovich has been a MAJOR disappointment. I was hoping for 20+ goals out of him and he looks lost. Oh well its still early, hopefully he finds his game on the trip out west. I agree Holtz needs to be called up yesterday. We have no finishing right now and the guy is an absolute sniper.

I think that Sharangovich will turn it around as I believe last season was not a fluke. He clearly misses Hughes but I would like to see him get more time with Nico until Hughes returns.

I loved the Mercer pick when it was made and he has been as good as advertised so far. A 19 year old playing top six minutes in the middle and producing is very impressive. This kid is solid in all situations and he is becoming a key long term piece. Johnsson is having a great start but Mercer is a big reason why. The Johnsson Mercer Bratt line has been one of the few bright spots so far.

Carey  
pjcas18 : 11/2/2021 1:29 pm : link
Price to return in the next week or so. i hope he is healthy and ready to contribute.

Not sure adding Price to this shit show that is the Montreal Canadiens will right the ship, but can't hurt.
RE: Carey  
Jay on the Island : 11/2/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15440171 pjcas18 said:
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Price to return in the next week or so. i hope he is healthy and ready to contribute.

Not sure adding Price to this shit show that is the Montreal Canadiens will right the ship, but can't hurt.

That’s great news. This should provide a boost to the roster but they’re still not a good team with the injuries.
No  
pjcas18 : 11/2/2021 2:24 pm : link
Habs should be thinking long-term.

In other habs news, Cole Caufield was sent to down to the AHL. I don't mind that other than he was playing 1st line mostly and PP1 in the NHL, so it's not like he wasn't playing. Just not scoring.

RE: RE: Carey  
Stu11 : 11/2/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15440273 Jay on the Island said:
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Price to return in the next week or so. i hope he is healthy and ready to contribute.

Not sure adding Price to this shit show that is the Montreal Canadiens will right the ship, but can't hurt.


That’s great news. This should provide a boost to the roster but they’re still not a good team with the injuries.

Ditto that is really good news I wish the best for him. He and his wife seem less ke really good people.
" seem like good people"  
Stu11 : 11/2/2021 4:42 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Carey  
Jay on the Island : 11/2/2021 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15440632 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15440273 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 15440171 pjcas18 said:


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Price to return in the next week or so. i hope he is healthy and ready to contribute.

Not sure adding Price to this shit show that is the Montreal Canadiens will right the ship, but can't hurt.


That’s great news. This should provide a boost to the roster but they’re still not a good team with the injuries.


Ditto that is really good news I wish the best for him. He and his wife seem less ke really good people.

He’s one of the league’s best on and off the ice and just impossible to root against. He’s one of my favorite non-Devils players of all time.
He is such a class  
pjcas18 : 11/2/2021 8:55 pm : link
act, his famous interaction with the kid whose mother died from cancer is one of my favorite moments in sports of all time (including actual plays from games).



RE: He is such a class  
Jay on the Island : 11/2/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15440916 pjcas18 said:
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act, his famous interaction with the kid whose mother died from cancer is one of my favorite moments in sports of all time (including actual plays from games).



I was choked up watching that.
Watching the Devs on ESPN +  
Stu11 : 11/2/2021 10:35 pm : link
This broadcast is like amateur hour. I like Kevin Weakes in the studio but he's stiff as a color guy and this woman doing okay by okay is like a bad AHL play by play person.
Superb job by Linda Cohn between the boards  
Stu11 : 11/2/2021 11:30 pm : link
Managed to relay to us that Troy Terry improved because he bought a dog this summer but she hasn't gotten around to telling us that Dougie Hamilton is apparently injured. Thankfully the Devs team reporter Amanda Stein is always all over this stuff on Twitter...
.  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2021 1:13 pm : link
Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
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Here’s the latest on Jack Eichel.

Multiple sources tell ESPN it’s down to Calgary and Vegas. Sabres GM Kevyn Adams is working hard to get it done, but neither team has met his asks yet.

Sources say both teams are OK with Eichel getting his preferred surgery.
Kravtsov is a RFA after the season  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2021 1:27 pm : link
I see a divorce coming not a reunion. Probably a deadline trade.

Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
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Rangers are working on loan agreement for Kravtsov with KHL Traktor Chelyabinsk...From what I can glean, never say never to possible reunion with Blueshirts...
It's a great day  
Jay on the Island : 11/3/2021 2:20 pm : link
Wedgewood was just placed on waivers. I'm not sure what the Devils are going to do with him because they have their top two goalie prospects Nico Daws and Akira Schmid in the AHL right now. I hope they just release Wedgewood rather than send either one of the prospects to the ECHL.
If Dougie Hamilton is out for an extended period of time  
Stu11 : 11/3/2021 2:31 pm : link
Like Jack, this season is gonna go south in warp speed. Last night was as an uninspired effort against a mediocre Ducks team as I've seen in a long time. How Naserdine and Rechi
Still have jobs is a complete mystery to me. We have had by far the worst specials in hockey for a season plus now. It's a complete embarrassment. We took 2 too many men on the ice penalties within 5 minutes last night. That is a new level of ineptitude.
RE: If Dougie Hamilton is out for an extended period of time  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2021 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15441702 Stu11 said:
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Like Jack, this season is gonna go south in warp speed. Last night was as an uninspired effort against a mediocre Ducks team as I've seen in a long time. How Naserdine and Rechi
Still have jobs is a complete mystery to me. We have had by far the worst specials in hockey for a season plus now. It's a complete embarrassment. We took 2 too many men on the ice penalties within 5 minutes last night. That is a new level of ineptitude.


I often wonder who to blame for too many men. Is it the coach or the players? Sometimes you just don't know.
RE: If Dougie Hamilton is out for an extended period of time  
Jay on the Island : 11/3/2021 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15441702 Stu11 said:
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Like Jack, this season is gonna go south in warp speed. Last night was as an uninspired effort against a mediocre Ducks team as I've seen in a long time. How Naserdine and Rechi
Still have jobs is a complete mystery to me. We have had by far the worst specials in hockey for a season plus now. It's a complete embarrassment. We took 2 too many men on the ice penalties within 5 minutes last night. That is a new level of ineptitude.

Well said, I was expecting Recchi to be let go after last season. As you said the Devils will hit rock bottom if Hamilton is out for an extended period of time. Hopefully they fire the entire coaching staff at seasons end.
No idea if this is true  
pjcas18 : 11/3/2021 6:06 pm : link
but if I were BUF I'd jump at this trade offer - especiallky if no salary is retained.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Rumors: According to @KevinWeekes
the #Flames are offering Matthew Tkachuk, an upcoming 1 round pick, a former 1st round pick, and 2 prospects to the #LetsGoBuffalo for Jack Eichel.
RE: No idea if this is true  
Stu11 : 11/3/2021 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15442001 pjcas18 said:
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but if I were BUF I'd jump at this trade offer - especiallky if no salary is retained.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Rumors: According to @KevinWeekes
the #Flames are offering Matthew Tkachuk, an upcoming 1 round pick, a former 1st round pick, and 2 prospects to the #LetsGoBuffalo for Jack Eichel.

Absolutely. If that's a true offer Buffalo will never do better.
Eichel  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 7:42 am : link
trade done, not positive if the terms matched above, but details coming out now. Not sure it needs it's own thread.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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13m
Interesting start to the morning. @TheInstigator76
is correct. Jack Eichel has been traded to @GoldenKnights
. Alex Tuch and picks part of the deal. Details to come. Trade call pending.
Other twitter users  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 7:43 am : link
now sharing...

TSN Hockey
@TSNHockey
· 7m
The Buffalo Sabres have dealt centre Jack Eichel to the Vegas Golden Knights, pending a trade call (via @DarrenDreger): http://tsn.ca/1.1716133

#TSNHockey | #TradeCentre
pretty close to what was mentioned  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 7:44 am : link


Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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Pending trade call, The @BuffaloSabres
trade Jack Eichel and a 2023 3rd round pick, to the @GoldenKnights
for Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, a 1st in 2022 and a 3rd in 2023.
Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 7:46 am : link
would have been better than Tuch if the trade was with CAL, but either way, nice trade for BUF IMO.

And if Eichel can get healthy good add for LVG.
RE: Tkachuk  
Mike in NY : 11/4/2021 7:51 am : link
In comment 15442521 pjcas18 said:
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would have been better than Tuch if the trade was with CAL, but either way, nice trade for BUF IMO.

And if Eichel can get healthy good add for LVG.


I doubt that Calgary offer was real or there were more aspects to it that made it overall a less desirable deal
RE: RE: Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15442522 Mike in NY said:
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would have been better than Tuch if the trade was with CAL, but either way, nice trade for BUF IMO.

And if Eichel can get healthy good add for LVG.



I doubt that Calgary offer was real or there were more aspects to it that made it overall a less desirable deal


CAL denied it almost immediately.
BUF  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 7:56 am : link
has 3 1st round picks now in 2022.

If they don't make any Skinner-like gaffes they can remake the whole complexion of their team.

Two of the 1sts are going to be late 1st (FLA and LVG), but still 3 1sts.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/4/2021 8:55 am : link
Would the Rangers #1, Kravtsov, and Strome been a much worse offer this past off-season?

Little disappointed NYR didn't get it done.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15442595 BrettNYG10 said:
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Would the Rangers #1, Kravtsov, and Strome been a much worse offer this past off-season?

Little disappointed NYR didn't get it done.


No, if they threw in Schneider or Lundqvist with or maybe even instead of Strome maybe a stronger offer (since Tuch's health is a question).

I think once Zib was extended the Rangers had little shot at Eichel without including someone like Trouba or Kreider in the trade. And I know he's the current whipping boy, but Trouba is very valuable.
RE: ....  
Mike in NY : 11/4/2021 9:03 am : link
In comment 15442595 BrettNYG10 said:
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Would the Rangers #1, Kravtsov, and Strome been a much worse offer this past off-season?

Little disappointed NYR didn't get it done.


Krebs is much better than headcase Kravtsov. Strome I think benefits from the talent around him that he won't have in Buffalo. In addition, I think Buffalo wanted the more physical play of Tuch.
Thanks, guys.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/4/2021 9:30 am : link
The offer seemed a little light, but my knowledge of prospects is very weak.

Doesn't seem absurdly cheap relative to expectations.
As soon as my cousin told me about the Calgary offer  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2021 9:43 am : link
I said there is no way that's real. I suggested that it was probably leaked from Buffalo in order to put pressure on Vegas to up their offer.
RE: As soon as my cousin told me about the Calgary offer  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15442664 Jay on the Island said:
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I said there is no way that's real. I suggested that it was probably leaked from Buffalo in order to put pressure on Vegas to up their offer.


I think the key is that Tkachuk is an RFA and no way BUF takes the risk that Tkachuk would not sign and they'd want a window to negotiate an extension.

if you're Tkachuk not sure you want to go to BUF long term.
RE: RE: As soon as my cousin told me about the Calgary offer  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2021 10:00 am : link
In comment 15442677 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15442664 Jay on the Island said:


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I said there is no way that's real. I suggested that it was probably leaked from Buffalo in order to put pressure on Vegas to up their offer.



I think the key is that Tkachuk is an RFA and no way BUF takes the risk that Tkachuk would not sign and they'd want a window to negotiate an extension.

if you're Tkachuk not sure you want to go to BUF long term.

That's a good point, I would jump at that offer if Calgary allowed an extension as part of the deal otherwise I would pass.
Something to keep an eye on around the deadline  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 10:56 am : link
when Eichel is expected to be back.

From what I know, neither Pacioretty or Stone is expected to be out long term.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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When #VegasBorn is healthy, that means Stone, Pacioretty, Eichel, they will be $10.3M over the cap.
Leafs  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 11:21 am : link
already tearing it down? or just tweaking?

Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper
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21m
Besides Travis Dermott, hearing that @leafs
have also made it clear to @NHL
clubs Justin Holl is available in trade discussions. More detail with @jtbourne
and @SamAMcKee
today 3-5pm est @FAN590
The Devils have promoted Alexander Holtz  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2021 2:10 pm : link
He is expected to play tomorrow versus the Kings.
RE: The Devils have promoted Alexander Holtz  
pjcas18 : 11/4/2021 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15443198 Jay on the Island said:
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He is expected to play tomorrow versus the Kings.


Holtz vs Raymond is one of those debates hockey nerds would have for hours. In the end not much separated them (in draft terms) Raymond went #4 and Holtz #7.

I admit I was torn. I love Holtz shot. Not many players at any level can wire it like he can. The sniper is becoming more and more rare in hockey so if he proves his shot is still elite at this level he will have a long and prosperous career.

I thought Raymond was more well rounded and off the charts from a play maker standpoint. He looked great a couple nights ago vs the Habs though didn't convert to the stat sheet. Which is sort of the issue with players like Raymond (who does have a hatty this year) is when they don't score, a lot of the good they do is lost on some fans.

Looking forward to seeing Holtz.
RE: The Devils have promoted Alexander Holtz  
Stu11 : 11/4/2021 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15443198 Jay on the Island said:
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He is expected to play tomorrow versus the Kings.

Hallelujah! He had a real good pre season, very excited to see if that translates to the regular season.
And Wedgewood was claimed by Arizona  
Stu11 : 11/4/2021 2:56 pm : link
So that takes care of the quandary of where they'd send him Jay
RE: And Wedgewood was claimed by Arizona  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15443287 Stu11 said:
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So that takes care of the quandary of where they'd send him Jay

Thank you Arizona! Now Daws and Schmid can split time in Utica.
I hope Holtz is here to stay  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2021 3:02 pm : link
and not just a desperation move because they fear that Hamilton will be out a while also.
RE: RE: The Devils have promoted Alexander Holtz  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15443217 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15443198 Jay on the Island said:


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He is expected to play tomorrow versus the Kings.



Holtz vs Raymond is one of those debates hockey nerds would have for hours. In the end not much separated them (in draft terms) Raymond went #4 and Holtz #7.

I admit I was torn. I love Holtz shot. Not many players at any level can wire it like he can. The sniper is becoming more and more rare in hockey so if he proves his shot is still elite at this level he will have a long and prosperous career.

I thought Raymond was more well rounded and off the charts from a play maker standpoint. He looked great a couple nights ago vs the Habs though didn't convert to the stat sheet. Which is sort of the issue with players like Raymond (who does have a hatty this year) is when they don't score, a lot of the good they do is lost on some fans.

Looking forward to seeing Holtz.

I wanted Rossi there because he's a center but I was very happy to land Holtz because he seemed like a perfect fit next to Hughes or Hischier. The Devils desperately needed a sniper.
The Isles  
KDubbs : 11/4/2021 3:05 pm : link
traded Boychuks rights to buffalo to help them get to the cap floor
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pjcas18 : 11/5/2021 11:12 am : link
NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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BREAKING: Ottawa Senators name Brady Tkachuk the 10th captain in franchise history. #GoSensGo
Fox is the goods  
pjcas18 : 11/5/2021 1:00 pm : link
but so is TDA, giving him away is unfortunate.

Pionk, TDA, and Fox with NYR connections.

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Diving into the best puck-moving and distributing defenders in the early goings of the season for @Sportsnet


https://sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/analyzing-nhl-defencemen-best-puck-movers-game/
8:10 AM · Nov 5, 2021·Twitter Web App



that Trouba trade sure didn't work out very well  
Greg from LI : 11/5/2021 1:06 pm : link
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Lindy Ruff has to go  
Jay on the Island : 11/6/2021 10:40 am : link
Sharangovich received just 10 minutes of ice time last as he has been buried on the fourth line along with Kuokkanen who received just 7 minutes which is less than Gauthier who still doesn't have a point despite playing in every game.

Then with Hamilton out instead of playing Jaros or Colton White he plays the goon Geersten. I still can't believe they hired this guy over Gallant.
RE: Lindy Ruff has to go  
Stu11 : 11/6/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15445146 Jay on the Island said:
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Sharangovich received just 10 minutes of ice time last as he has been buried on the fourth line along with Kuokkanen who received just 7 minutes which is less than Gauthier who still doesn't have a point despite playing in every game.

Then with Hamilton out instead of playing Jaros or Colton White he plays the goon Geersten. I still can't believe they hired this guy over Gallant.

The defensive breakdowns on the goals were horrific. Severson played like he bet on the Kings. Even Graves coughed up a clear with 5 seconds left in the 2nd. Zacha and Bratt were the bright spots on offense. Zacha is going next level with goals in big spots this year. Blackwood looked sharp in his debut except for the 2nd goal which he should have had. Agreed on the playing time. Sharengovich is obviously in Le chateau bow wow. We need his scoring especially without Jack. He needs to be a top 6 fwd.
No idea  
pjcas18 : 11/6/2021 4:38 pm : link
why teams continually recycle coaches.

never a fan of Ruff in any capacity. I did think it was funny when rangers fans used to blame Ruff for the defense deficiencies last year when they were running out guys like Brendan Smith, Marc Staal, and young guys like Miller. Like it was Ruff's defense "scheme" that was the cause of the defensive woes.
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