and moving forward in general.
Before the year I thought KT was going to be a key piece of the offensive puzzle here and after rewatching the Saints game I’m even more convinced. He’s going to take 4-5 of these to the house this year starting with one this week. The guy is untackleablr in the open field and the amount of fear he struck into the Saints backfield was eye opening. It led to KGs big play that essentially iced the game. He left a TD on the field with a drop, but that isn’t his MO and I’m thinking he was thinking it too leading to the drop. Scoring your first NFL TD is obviously a milestone. I’m really not sure how teams are going to defend this with Saquon and him with a QB that can make you pay.
We can’t run block worth a shit, but with how unique the offensive personnel is, there are ways around it and RPO needs to be a focal point for sure now after seeing KT on an NFL field. We were missing that WR piece that can really make teams pay in the RPO and we’ve found it and some.
Saquon has his first big day on the ground and KT takes an RPO to the house in this one, my out there takes of the week.
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31st in the league.
Spread them out and make them defend the pass.
Time to be aggressive.
Yes please. More of this. I have thought this since he's been here. Granted he's been injured a lot but have always thought they don't use him enough this way.
31st in the league.
Spread them out and make them defend the pass.
Time to be aggressive.
Their fans want them to blitz more because their secondary has been susceptible. Put pressure on Jones to make mistakes is the thinking in Dallas.
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sweeps - no.
Screens? YES
I think actually people DO understand that very well after watching his YAC game and are fired up and thats WHY people are so high on the Giants after that game last week.
He popped his senior year at Florida after three fairly nondescript years prior. So while there is a lot of raw talent, the jury is still out on this kid.
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Toney is going to be and the crazy part is there is room for improvement in his game. This trade down may be looked at one of the keys that turned this organization around (tremendous draft for IOL next year).
He popped his senior year at Florida after three fairly nondescript years prior. So while there is a lot of raw talent, the jury is still out on this kid.
Say that all you want, but he has elite NFL agility and was toasting guys and drawing a TON of attention on film. The jury is out in my mind, guy is a true difference maker. The scary thing is he can still work on his route running.
Though your essential point is correct: the high flying Giants are a whole 'nother animal from the plodding Giants. But don't take it from me, Sean Payton said the same thing. I was astonished to see the difference that opening up the game plan and Using Golladay, Toney and Saquon out in space with Jones unloading quickly in an RPO made to the offense's potency compared to what we've watched previously.
If the Giants keep this up, it could make watching the Giants fun again. Though maybe not so much for opponents! ;-)
I was thrilled to see Toney have the impact he did last week, but let's put away the conclusion that this guy is a stud already. We have played 4 games this year and he was a factor in one of them. He may not be ready for the gold jacket yet.
Though your essential point is correct: the high flying Giants are a whole 'nother animal from the plodding Giants. But don't take it from me, Sean Payton said the same thing. I was astonished to see the difference that opening up the game plan and Using Golladay, Toney and Saquon out in space with Jones unloading quickly in an RPO made to the offense's potency compared to what we've watched previously.
If the Giants keep this up, it could make watching the Giants fun again. Though maybe not so much for opponents! ;-)
That so called busted coverage on the pass play to KG to the 7 in OT was 100% caused by KT. Teams are scared of him getting the ball in his hands and that is essentially a mid game adjustment they had to make. There is no way we can keep this guy off the field moving forward. Between him and Saquon it opens up so much.
I was thrilled to see Toney have the impact he did last week, but let's put away the conclusion that this guy is a stud already. We have played 4 games this year and he was a factor in one of them. He may not be ready for the gold jacket yet.
I’ve seen enough. Only thing stopping his career are injuries. Even when he doesn’t show up on stat sheet he’s extremely influential to how defenses will need to play every down. Those are what happening true difference makers does.
Ross does to but more on an individual level, like hey need to give this guy more cushion. KT is sucking guys in off their man in man coverage and shrinking zones towards him.
Ironically, I think we should at least try to attack how we usually do in run game to start, but a series or two and it’s not working, we should operate solely out of gun and pistol. And we should just scrap everything under center if we can’t make it work against this defense.
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Haven't always been the most pro-Garrett person, but I'm really excited about what the Giants O looks like against Dallas.
Ironically, I think we should at least try to attack how we usually do in run game to start, but a series or two and it’s not working, we should operate solely out of gun and pistol. And we should just scrap everything under center if we can’t make it work against this defense.
Not an expert and don't study film, but it seemed to me that vs NO, most successful deep throws were off of play action with DJ under center. Although people here don't like how SB runs between tackles, DL and safeties definitely respect the threat. May not gain a lot of yards but opens up the passing game. I presume that is why Giants ran up the middle the first 3 series on first down. Made later 1st down play action much more effective.
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
I agree they are reluctant for some reason. Injury might be it. Also don't want to put him in position to cough up the ball. It's been a weakness of his.
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
Throwing Penny in for short-yardage would be good too.
Forgot the P aspect lol
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
I’m talking about RPO and not read option. The quarterback rarely keeps it in RPO unless it’s a wrinkle. We’ve used mostly read option to set up RPO, but I think we should flip that now.
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Jones has proven he can run, but I don’t trust him to stay healthy by feeding him with inside runs like a Lamar/Cam.
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
I’m talking about RPO and not read option. The quarterback rarely keeps it in RPO unless it’s a wrinkle. We’ve used mostly read option to set up RPO, but I think we should flip that now.
Definitely, I got them mixed up when I was thinking about Jones’ speed.
One thing I’ll say is that I don’t buy Toney being another Tyreek Hill. He’s not that. He’s not young Odell.
I don’t think his long speed is that caliber. He’s wayyy more quick than fast imo. I’m sure he’ll take his share deep. But I can’t see him going nuts like the OP you made makes it seem. 4-5 to the house is optimistic to say the least lol.
It can absolutely be a valuable play though. The more we get Toney involved in the short/intermediate game and acclimate Saquon back to what he was, the more Jones can take advantage of KG being a premier deep threat.
The team definitely has a plethora of skill player options if Thomas and the OL stays healthy and playing well.
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Jones has proven he can run, but I don’t trust him to stay healthy by feeding him with inside runs like a Lamar/Cam.
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
I’m talking about RPO and not read option. The quarterback rarely keeps it in RPO unless it’s a wrinkle. We’ve used mostly read option to set up RPO, but I think we should flip that now.
Definitely, I got them mixed up when I was thinking about Jones’ speed.
One thing I’ll say is that I don’t buy Toney being another Tyreek Hill. He’s not that. He’s not young Odell.
I don’t think his long speed is that caliber. He’s wayyy more quick than fast imo. I’m sure he’ll take his share deep. But I can’t see him going nuts like the OP you made makes it seem. 4-5 to the house is optimistic to say the least lol.
It can absolutely be a valuable play though. The more we get Toney involved in the short/intermediate game and acclimate Saquon back to what he was, the more Jones can take advantage of KG being a premier deep threat.
The team definitely has a plethora of skill player options if Thomas and the OL stays healthy and playing well.
How do you compare Toney's long speed to Cruz's?
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Jones has proven he can run, but I don’t trust him to stay healthy by feeding him with inside runs like a Lamar/Cam.
Save that for the do or die games at year end if we have a good enough team to go that far. It’s a great option to have but you don’t want to abuse it when the QB is also a more than capable thrower of the ball and went for 400 yds the previous game and is clearly ascending as a passer.
We still need to use it a little bit. Keep the D honest. We also need to incorporate more the Saquon/Toney mix for misdirection plays. Garrett seems to have a poor feel for when to call those but he can’t shy away from them.
I’m talking about RPO and not read option. The quarterback rarely keeps it in RPO unless it’s a wrinkle. We’ve used mostly read option to set up RPO, but I think we should flip that now.
Definitely, I got them mixed up when I was thinking about Jones’ speed.
One thing I’ll say is that I don’t buy Toney being another Tyreek Hill. He’s not that. He’s not young Odell.
I don’t think his long speed is that caliber. He’s wayyy more quick than fast imo. I’m sure he’ll take his share deep. But I can’t see him going nuts like the OP you made makes it seem. 4-5 to the house is optimistic to say the least lol.
It can absolutely be a valuable play though. The more we get Toney involved in the short/intermediate game and acclimate Saquon back to what he was, the more Jones can take advantage of KG being a premier deep threat.
The team definitely has a plethora of skill player options if Thomas and the OL stays healthy and playing well.
How do you compare Toney's long speed to Cruz's?
Cruz was fast enough to make several huge plays over his career. I will never forget what he was to the team in 2011. Underrated at the catch point. YAC machine.
But counting on Toney or anyone to repeat that is asking for too much.
When Tyreek or young Odell or a true “4.3 or less on the field” guy catches the ball, it’s just different. Tyreek’s TD last week where he got the corner of the field on his YAC was insane but he made it look regular. I don’t think Toney is that, he wasn’t that in college. What he is, is a guy with impossible COD. If Toney can marry his COD with his route running on the pro level with coaching, he can be special. He already showed that on that one catch where he murdered the Saints CB on the initial burst.
The potential is clearly there with Toney. But I feel like an even more than average amount of his potential is tied to coaching.
31st in the league.
Spread them out and make them defend the pass.
Time to be aggressive.
Cannot agree more. Let Danny sling. It’s time to put the franchise on his back.
(I do like the OP too, as i think the pass out of the RPO can be deadly this week).
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Toney is going to be and the crazy part is there is room for improvement in his game. This trade down may be looked at one of the keys that turned this organization around (tremendous draft for IOL next year).
He popped his senior year at Florida after three fairly nondescript years prior. So while there is a lot of raw talent, the jury is still out on this kid.
From what I understand, he was transitioning from a different position (QB) and had good receivers ahead of him on the depth chart before he was a senior.
What we saw last week is what he showed his senior year.