Remember the Jones draft pick was made when everyone was psyched that Josh Allen (DE) had fallen to us? I was psyched for Allen at the time. I'm personally glad to have Jones, I really like him. But Allen was the clear alternative (I don't think Jones would have lasted to 17 where D. Lawrence pick was made IMO). Anyway - what's your take now?
Definitely wanted Allen when he "dropped" to us
The talking heads and draftnik's were saying Jones was a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. I thought Jones would have lasted until 17 and we'd get both guys. But the comments and info leaked suggest that wouldn't have been the case. So Allen and Jones was my hope at the time, but in hindsight knowing it was Allen and Lawrence or gulp Drew Lock, I'm taking Jones/Dexter easy.
Oh and that is my opinion before they even take the field, forgetting everything they have done in the NFL. Though it would be the same factor it in.
Lol Doc so right!!!
I get Mara's attachment to Eli. I'm in the same boat. But I'm a fan, not the one signing the checks.
They very well could have Herbert now under that scenario.
They very well could have Herbert now under that scenario.
Herbert looks so damn good.
What a shock that you chime in....
It would take a big change in fortunes for it to end up being anything else.
Remember, after just 25/26 games and an injured wheel down the stretch
last year (which is so important to who DJ is as a QB), he proclaimed that DJ was “garbage.” Not, playing like garbage, simply garbage. Many of us were willing to see what this year brought before stating anything definitive. I always believed in DJ and felt he’d be a long term guy, but I know shit as it pertains to how this ultimately pkays out for DJ..
The times to draft a quarterback were 2018 or 2020. They reached for Jones, and unsurprisingly their record since they did that is 11-25. Horrible.
But Sunday vs the Saints was his best performance so far in his career. It was an exciting performance.
He did it with his arm more than his legs, which is huge for me.
He showed a lot of zip and authority on those midfield throws. I though he looked a lot sharper and more accurate in that range than I have seen him before.
The arm strength looks a little better on the midfield throws as well, he was throwing more ropes.
And placed the ball well to his playmakers, and he started force feeding the playmakers. which he must do.
I still do not see great anticipation. Maybe that will come. That would make this a very big leap.
And he had a lot of time. How does Jones handle pressure is very important. Because no matter how good your line is, you get pressure from the better teams and certainly in the playoffs.
But Sunday vs the Saints was his best performance so far in his career. It was an exciting performance.
He did it with his arm more than his legs, which is huge for me.
He showed a lot of zip and authority on those midfield throws. I though he looked a lot sharper and more accurate in that range than I have seen him before.
The arm strength looks a little better on the midfield throws as well, he was throwing more ropes.
And placed the ball well to his playmakers, and he started force feeding the playmakers. which he must do.
I still do not see great anticipation. Maybe that will come. That would make this a very big leap.
And he had a lot of time. How does Jones handle pressure is very important. Because no matter how good your line is, you get pressure from the better teams and certainly in the playoffs.
He’s finally got the tools around him and a functional OL..That is enormous for a QB..We saw what happened to Mahomes in the SB with a pathetic, makeshift OL..
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But Sunday vs the Saints was his best performance so far in his career. It was an exciting performance.
He did it with his arm more than his legs, which is huge for me.
He showed a lot of zip and authority on those midfield throws. I though he looked a lot sharper and more accurate in that range than I have seen him before.
The arm strength looks a little better on the midfield throws as well, he was throwing more ropes.
And placed the ball well to his playmakers, and he started force feeding the playmakers. which he must do.
I still do not see great anticipation. Maybe that will come. That would make this a very big leap.
And he had a lot of time. How does Jones handle pressure is very important. Because no matter how good your line is, you get pressure from the better teams and certainly in the playoffs.
He’s finally got the tools around him and a functional OL..That is enormous for a QB..We saw what happened to Mahomes in the SB with a pathetic, makeshift OL..
I don't think it's enough to say he has tools and more to work with so he will be great like Mahomes, or Wilson, or Stafford, or even as good as Cousins. He has to demonstrate so much more consistency than he has shown thus far. Plus anticipation and enduring pressure need to get better. We'll see.
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But Sunday vs the Saints was his best performance so far in his career. It was an exciting performance.
He did it with his arm more than his legs, which is huge for me.
He showed a lot of zip and authority on those midfield throws. I though he looked a lot sharper and more accurate in that range than I have seen him before.
The arm strength looks a little better on the midfield throws as well, he was throwing more ropes.
And placed the ball well to his playmakers, and he started force feeding the playmakers. which he must do.
I still do not see great anticipation. Maybe that will come. That would make this a very big leap.
And he had a lot of time. How does Jones handle pressure is very important. Because no matter how good your line is, you get pressure from the better teams and certainly in the playoffs.
He’s finally got the tools around him and a functional OL..That is enormous for a QB..We saw what happened to Mahomes in the SB with a pathetic, makeshift OL..
I don't think it's enough to say he has tools and more to work with so he will be great like Mahomes, or Wilson, or Stafford, or even as good as Cousins. He has to demonstrate so much more consistency than he has shown thus far. Plus anticipation and enduring pressure need to get better. We'll see.
Agreed. I only brought up Mahomes in the context of even the great ones struggle without an OL and yes, surrounding talent to lean on
No. It's basically saying it was a stupid allocation of resources. I said it at the time when they picked him.
Why would I hate Jones? He seems like a good guy. He plays hard. He runs well. But I think he's a backup level quarterback. I think he's at or probably below the Mariota/Trubisky level. Those guys are backups.
I don't hate Jones. I hate watching shitty losing football.
If you can't *see* what makes Stafford so special, I don't think anything I have to say will help you. He has phenomenal arm talent and very few can match him.
But he isn't special.
As Greg Cosell says, and he gushes over Stafford at every chance, Stafford has traits you can't teach and can't develop. Jones will never be that kind of thrower. Period. Jones has to produce other ways.
Don't waste your time with these guys. He literally said he's below Mariota, a guy who hasn't done a single worthwhile thkng in two years and was a bust in Tennessee.
And it's crazy to compare Jones to Mariota?
This place makes you think there's an alternate universe sometimes.
And it's crazy to compare Jones to Mariota?
This place makes you think there's an alternate universe sometimes.
By that metric Matthew Stafford isn’t even on Marcus Mariota’s level. Stafford was 74-90-1 in Detroit and never won a playoff game
Jesus dude. Are you really this dense? Quarterbacks early in their career rarely have good records - if you’re taken in the top 10 your team typically suck at first.
Because you have this vision of the Giants moving on from all of their first round picks the last 3 years, because you’ve already come to the conclusion that they all suck (which you are the only person on planet earth who thinks this to be true) - and the Giants aren’t going to do what you want - you come on here and still say things like Jones sucks, which all the recent evidence is showing that he’s coming around and you simply hate that fact.
Why do so many care about his dipshit opinion?
GO NYG!
Root for all the draft picks and maybe we beat the cowboys not just once but twice this year,,,same for Philly
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was waiting on QB until 2020. Let Eli finish 2019 regardless and then make the call on Shurmur & Gettleman as a package deal after the season.
They very well could have Herbert now under that scenario.
Herbert looks so damn good.
Go watch the SD v Dallas game. That will temper your enthusiasm.
And it's crazy to compare Jones to Mariota?
This place makes you think there's an alternate universe sometimes.
Dak 5-13 against teams over .500 , so your argument is weak. DJ never has had the support but you refuse to accept that because you don’t like the pick.
You do realize Jefferson dropped a sure TD right before Stafford threw the bad pick?
And so what if Stafford had a bad half? He more than righted the ship in the second half and ended up with a solid 64 QBR and an excellent 9.9 YPA.
Are you going to tell me, btw, that you would take Jones over Stafford as your QB?
Not all QBs, even first round ones, have the perfect demeanor to just take over the reigns immediately for a franchise and hold up under the immense pressure and expectations in that scenario. New York no less.
Jones was able to work on his development that summer, play a lot that preseason, and gain some confidence. And it played out early that Manning wasn't leading that team anywhere, so at that point that had seen enough to turn to Jones. And now at least he had some QB play under his belt and some of the pressure/expectations had been lowered. At least that season.
I don't think that accurately reflects what happened.
Jones was a panic pick. Gettleman admitted as much. He thought that at least two teams were going to take Jones before our next first round pick at #17. So he forced the pick on Jones in order to fill a need. And despite what a few Asshat-wannabees say here at BBI to justify the move, there is NO EVIDENCE that Jones would have been taken by any of those team before #17.
NONE.
I'd rather take a shot at the QB than the DE and if year 3 continues for Jones than its likely going to be a better pick than taking Allen.
Such a dumb argument. There was plenty of chatter of multiple teams being interested in Jones. Of course you want definitive proof of something that historically never happens, I wonder why...
Something you are defining as a "panic" is actually pretty normal. Player X isn't predicted to last until Pick X so you take your guy when available. Giants get knocked for that, other teams don't. Its weird.
Gettleman always sounded very defensive post-draft in explaining that he knew Jones was going to be picked by other teams, but they may have been just rumors.
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if your QB is on the board when your pick is up, then you take that QB without hesitation. We can all argue whether or not DJ should have been their QB of choice, but the fact that he was means DG made the right choice grabbing him when he did. We should know by years end if DJ was the right QB.
I don't think that accurately reflects what happened.
Jones was a panic pick. Gettleman admitted as much. He thought that at least two teams were going to take Jones before our next first round pick at #17. So he forced the pick on Jones in order to fill a need. And despite what a few Asshat-wannabees say here at BBI to justify the move, there is NO EVIDENCE that Jones would have been taken by any of those team before #17.
NONE.
Gettleman always sounded very defensive post-draft in explaining that he knew Jones was going to be picked by other teams, but they may have been just rumors.
It was not a rumor - Broncos and Dolphins would have taken Jones.