Phil Simms on Daniel Jones

That includes some vaulted members of our easy going defense.

Jones has been the team's best player by a healthy margin. The entire defense has taken a step back, Shepard was good until he got hurt, Barkley is starting to break out but had a few tough games, so it's basically been Jones carrying the whole offense. He's been involved in every big play with either a big time throw or run and made very few mistakes.

of the team’s problem. Graham better dial up something effective of Dallas will lay 45 on us, even if the O does its job (perhaps 35 points), imv

The normal NFL fan will never know all the intricacies of what makes a good QB. They'll look at the FF stats and then the Win/Loss records and make their decision that way.

Just like Eli never put up big stats, was a .500 QB, but man could he come through in the clutch. All those comeback and big game wins is what endeared him to Giants fans, as well as showing up for work every week.

Jones appears to figuring things out and hopefully starting to click. If the Giants can string together some wins here, you'll see that "I don't know crowd" becoming fewer and fewer.

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for certain.

Need some of the "best" defensive players to earn their paychecks too and then we have something.

Offense probably needs 2 olinemen and a younger version of a Kyle Rudolph
d is looking 3 or 4 short
I have some high hopes for Aaron Robinson at cb
McKinney looks pretty poor instincts, wonder if he may be better off as a slot or 3rd cb? ( if it’s angles, not athleticism, h9lding him back)
I personally found cb easier to play than safety.
Need ER, another DT, maybe another ILB and still need cb

That the talent is there on d but they don’t have that guy to pull their heads out of their asses and replace it with his foot

In comment 15403121 Burt64 said:

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The normal NFL fan will never know all the intricacies of what makes a good QB. They'll look at the FF stats and then the Win/Loss records and make their decision that way. Just like Eli never put up big stats, was a .500 QB, but man could he come through in the clutch. All those comeback and big game wins is what endeared him to Giants fans, as well as showing up for work every week. Jones appears to figuring things out and hopefully starting to click. If the Giants can string together some wins here, you'll see that "I don't know crowd" becoming fewer and fewer.

Eli never put up big stats? Haha. What were you watching? The guy is top 10 in passing yards and TDs in the history of the NFL.

Eli didnt put up big stats. What your referring to is longevity. Year by year his stats weren’t impressive. You had to watch eli play the game of football to appreciate how great he truly was.

In comment 15403143 chick310 said:

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for certain. Need some of the "best" defensive players to earn their paychecks too and then we have something.

yup

And NO games demonstrated that Jones has the potential to be a franchise QB. I’m hopeful the confidence from that win and specially the cold blooded game winning drive is the moment that gives him the confidence and momentum to bring it week in week out. It seems like if he can get over the Achilles heel of staring down receivers with his athleticism and accuracy he can be very good.

In comment 15403120 Big Blue '56 said:

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of the team’s problem. Graham better dial up something effective of Dallas will lay 45 on us, even if the O does its job (perhaps 35 points), imv

I agree. Only people trying to act smart say Jones is the problem.

that says more about Jones or the team.

But Jones is pretty clearly showing some improvement, and it's welcomed.

When it's time to talk about contract #2, that'll a whole different barrel of monkeys. Jones at his current contract is a lot different than Jones at 15%+ of the salary cap. But there's a decent amount of time between now and then.

At this point, picking up the 5th year would seem to be obvious to me, but I'm sure at least a few others will disagree.

What I really want to see is how he'd look in an offense that fully leans in to his running capability. The coaching staff has embraced it a bit more this year, but I'm a believer that there's still a lot of chicken left on the bone there.

In the Washington game and the NO game Daniel Jones was the best player on the field on both teams.

He better be this week too because if the defense plays like it has the first 4 games Dallas is going to score in the 40's on them.

Even though Jones has been good this year and was excellent with his career performance last week, there is still a lot of room for improvement seeing the field, feeling the pocket and identifying the pre snap blitzes. But if he keeps the level of his play through the first 4 games all year the Giants do not need a new QB. That would be a wonderful thing.

Our defense/scheme is tragic.

I don't understand how and why it dropped off so precipitously.

In comment 15403121 Burt64 said:

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The normal NFL fan will never know all the intricacies of what makes a good QB. They'll look at the FF stats and then the Win/Loss records and make their decision that way. Just like Eli never put up big stats, was a .500 QB, but man could he come through in the clutch. All those comeback and big game wins is what endeared him to Giants fans, as well as showing up for work every week. Jones appears to figuring things out and hopefully starting to click. If the Giants can string together some wins here, you'll see that "I don't know crowd" becoming fewer and fewer.

LOL, Eli never put up big stats? He's top ten ALL TIME in every statistical category for QBs.

In comment 15403222 arniefez said:

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In the Washington game and the NO game Daniel Jones was the best player on the field on both teams. He better be this week too because if the defense plays like it has the first 4 games Dallas is going to score in the 40's on them. Even though Jones has been good this year and was excellent with his career performance last week, there is still a lot of room for improvement seeing the field, feeling the pocket and identifying the pre snap blitzes. But if he keeps the level of his play through the first 4 games all year the Giants do not need a new QB. That would be a wonderful thing.

+1

cool demeanor and what a great giant! might know QB stuff a bit too..haaaa

BBI knows more about QB play than Phil? Come on we have experts here!!!

he'll always be one of my favorite Giants and he knows all about how difficult it is to be QB of the Giants with all the outside noise from fans. But so does every NYG QB since I've been a fan in the 60's.

There were plenty of Giants fans that sports hated Tarkington when he was basically a one man team and Phil and Kerry Collins and Eli and now Jones. It seems to come with the job of being QB of the NY Giants.

I doubt it will ever change and I'm sure no matter how objective Phil tries to be he's going to defend a Giants QB getting a tough time from the fan base.

That's a comment I've heard Parcells make.

The other 10% is athleticism, accuracy, and arm strength, I would guess according to Bill.

Jones has the full package and what we saw last week is hopefully a game he will build on.

Jones finally has a decent O-line and explosive WRs to work with.

He is currently the 4th best QB in the NFL according to the QB ratings. His upside is enormous. The sky is the limit.
We are very lucky to have Daniel Jones in my opinion.

Time will tell

I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying I never heard it from him and in my opinion it's not true.

But I have heard him say this and this I agree with 100%:

Bill Parcells 11 Quarterback commandments:

Ignore other opinions

Clowns can’t run a huddle

Fat QBs can’t avoid the rush

Know your job cold

Know your own players

Be the same guy every day

Throwing the ball away is a good play

Learn to manage the game: clock, clock, clock

Get your team in the endzone

Don’t panic

Don’t be a celebrity quarterback

In comment 15403114 Giant John said:

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That includes some vaulted members of our easy going defense.

I agree with Phil also.

And, Jones should only get better. We have a young (very?) offense. This is Jones 3rd season. When he and the others have a few more seasons under their collective belts together - this offense should be very powerful.

What is missing? Another 1 or 2 OL .... and then settling on a unit that can grow together. I could be wrong but, I think we have enough weapons. Maybe an upgrade at TE. Engram is not a reliable catcher and can't block and Rudolph is not getting any younger.

but admitedly cannot find the quote on the internet

I do agree with him

I think he was trying to say the mental aspect of being a QB is paramount

there are not any great QBs I can remember that were not excellent field generals

Jones has that it factor .... he is very smart

Are utterly ridiculous. He threw for over 4,000 yards 7 times in his career and nearly threw for 5,000 yards once as well. It’s utter nonsense and downplaying what Eli was.

In comment 15403520 Doubledeuce22 said:

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Are utterly ridiculous. He threw for over 4,000 yards 7 times in his career and nearly threw for 5,000 yards once as well. It’s utter nonsense and downplaying what Eli was.

Yeah pretty silly. Some here acting like Eli was just a compiler, like the Don Sutton of QBs. Wrong.

He was the best player on that 2020 offense. I think the talent surrounding him has improved, which explains his leap in productivity, that and his overall maturity.

In comment 15403520 Doubledeuce22 said:

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Are utterly ridiculous. He threw for over 4,000 yards 7 times in his career and nearly threw for 5,000 yards once as well. It’s utter nonsense and downplaying what Eli was.

If you think about what I said about Parcells then Eli is explained.

His gift was primarily between the ears, his throws wobbled a lot, were often too high and erratic (remember how Burress hauled in all those high balls), but he made the right selections and although he ran like a man with a refrigerator on his back, he moved in the pocket and was extremely durable and tough to bring down (big dude)

Had Burress not shot himself Eli might have gotten Lombardi #3

If you have watched Eli and Peyton call games on ESPN 2 this season you realize 2 things

1- Eli has a lot more personality than we thought and is very likeable

2- He and his brother had/have an instant recognition of what defenses were doing, and how to combat them. Encyclopaedic.

Im not sure if Eli is truly HOF material but He certainly is Giants HOF material (2 Super Bowls over the GOAT) enough said.

This kid Jones is Eli mentally equivalent but with the tight spirals and incredible foot speed

Now lets see some more Lombardi's Daniel PLEASE

The guys who are DJ’s biggest critics here -we know who most of them are- don’t show up to add their two cents to what Phil said, on this thread. I guess they don’t want to come across being stupid by disagreeing with what a former great nfl qb is saying.

I wonder why not? Lol