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Question on helmet to helmet hits

pjcas18 : 10/10/2021 6:47 pm
maybe this was discussed on the game thread, but I don't dare enter that arena.

And I didn't hear Troy and Joe mention it.

Why wasn't the helmet to helmet hit on Jones a penalty?

Is the rule you are allowed to hit a runner helmet to helmet once he has the ball and is running?

If so, it seems like the NFL rule committee has some misalignment when the hit by Carter is a roughing the passer because he tangentially hit the head area and a 15 yard penalty but the hit on Jones is fine.
One has a star on their helmet and one doesn't  
adamg : 10/10/2021 6:48 pm : link
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Do you want to be a fan of football  
fanoftheteam : 10/10/2021 6:49 pm : link
In a time where that tackle on DJ is illegal?
It looked to me  
5BowlsSoon : 10/10/2021 6:56 pm : link
Like Jones initiated the hit.
It's not a penalty when a runner lowers his head to initiate contact.  
BH28 : 10/10/2021 6:59 pm : link
Simple as that. If anything, technically the runner can be called for helmet to helmet in that situation.
More verbiage:  
BH28 : 10/10/2021 7:05 pm : link
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The new rule officially reads, "Lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet is a foul." It is intended to remove unnecessary use of the helmet. The hits don't have to come to the head or neck but anywhere on the body. Players cannot use their helmets to "butt, spear or ram an opponent."

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Jones lowered his helmet...  
GMen72 : 10/10/2021 7:11 pm : link
Cowgirl player hit him with his facemask.

I do think the day is coming when offensive players won't be able to lower their helmets and initiate contact...but we're not there yet.
RE: Do you want to be a fan of football  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2021 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15406149 fanoftheteam said:
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In a time where that tackle on DJ is illegal?


My question was simply about what the rule is. But, if that hit by Carter on Prescott is illegal and a 15 yard penalty then the game is kind of a mockery anyway.
RE: RE: Do you want to be a fan of football  
fanoftheteam : 10/10/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15406403 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15406149 fanoftheteam said:


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In a time where that tackle on DJ is illegal?



My question was simply about what the rule is. But, if that hit by Carter on Prescott is illegal and a 15 yard penalty then the game is kind of a mockery anyway.



I agree whole heartedly…. Between this and College football. Things are getting a bit brutal rule wise
It’s one of the most inconsistent and arbitrary penalties  
CooperDash : 10/10/2021 7:48 pm : link
called in the entire league…and that’s saying something. The offensive player lowers his helmet nearly every time. The offensive player initiates the contact nearly every time. The refs pick and choose which ones they call. And I’ve never seen an offensive player called for the penalty. Always the defense.
It has always been the defenses'  
section125 : 10/10/2021 7:49 pm : link
responsibility to not make helmet to helmet contact. Jones had every right to lean to get into the end zone. I guarantee if that was any other team in any other stadium that is a PF on the defense.
I thought Jones initiated the contact with his helmet..  
EricJ : 10/10/2021 7:49 pm : link
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I also think the concussion happened...  
EricJ : 10/10/2021 7:50 pm : link
when his head hit the ground..
RE: It has always been the defenses'  
Enzo : 10/10/2021 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15406761 section125 said:
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responsibility to not make helmet to helmet contact. Jones had every right to lean to get into the end zone. I guarantee if that was any other team in any other stadium that is a PF on the defense.

bahaha. You're completely lost.
RE: It has always been the defenses'  
BH28 : 10/10/2021 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15406761 section125 said:
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responsibility to not make helmet to helmet contact. Jones had every right to lean to get into the end zone. I guarantee if that was any other team in any other stadium that is a PF on the defense.


Leaning to get into the end zone and lowering your helmet to initiate contact are two different things. It's never getting called on the defender ever in that situation. If anything they should be calling it more on offensive players. One year it will be one of those points of emphasis things there they call it on the offense 5,000 times in pre-season.

As a point of reference, look at the Bama A&M game last night. They called a defender for targeting, but reversed it after the offensive player lowered his head to initiate contact. I know it's college, but similar rule.
Garett is a moron, 1st and a foot wht not a qb sneak  
gtt350 : 10/10/2021 8:01 pm : link
once , twice three times the probability of getting in is almost a gimmie.
So lets hand the ball off 4 yards in the backfield then run our qb wide brilliant
RE: I thought Jones initiated the contact with his helmet..  
wigs in nyc : 10/10/2021 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15406762 EricJ said:
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yip. me, too.
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