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I still like Judge..

Sean : 10/10/2021 7:20 pm
I liked the way the team competed today. Losing Andrew Thomas was a massive blow. Losing Barkley, Jones & Golladay in the first half was brutal, the team fought hard today.

I like the head coach.
I  
Shady Lurker : 10/10/2021 7:22 pm : link
was really down on him after the first few games.

He won me back a little today. In the midst of as much adversity as you could get, he still had the team bought-in and fighting hard.
Okay  
family progtitioner : 10/10/2021 7:22 pm : link
Not me
I am losing faith  
Mike in NY : 10/10/2021 7:25 pm : link
Because there is no adjustment on Defense. We bring in multiple expensive DB’s and the pass D has gotten worse.
They should fire him today.  
Jerz44 : 10/10/2021 7:28 pm : link
He’s a joke.
did the defense  
Enzo : 10/10/2021 7:28 pm : link
fight hard? They've give up 500+ yards and the game isn't even over yet.
RE: I am losing faith  
islander1 : 10/10/2021 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15406531 Mike in NY said:
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Because there is no adjustment on Defense. We bring in multiple expensive DB’s and the pass D has gotten worse.


It really is!

Our vaunted secondary positively blows.
moral victory  
crick n NC : 10/10/2021 7:30 pm : link
For Joe judge, his team played hard?
RE: They should fire him today.  
bluewave : 10/10/2021 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15406555 Jerz44 said:
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He’s a joke.


With all the starters out today you've got to be kidding me!!!!
He lost me  
TJ : 10/10/2021 7:32 pm : link
when he showed up toney coming off the field
What is there to like?  
endwerc : 10/10/2021 7:32 pm : link
I just don't get it.
Agreed  
adamg : 10/10/2021 7:33 pm : link
J&J (Judge and Jones) are the future

Gettleman needs to go.
36 seconds left before halftime and 3 timeouts.  
sems : 10/10/2021 7:40 pm : link
A good coach doesn't run out the clock.
I do, too.  
Dave in Buffalo : 10/10/2021 7:41 pm : link
This isn't Judge. He's not the finished product, but he's shown a lot. Give him the personel and let him show his quality.
Nah he lost me already  
Joey in VA : 10/10/2021 7:49 pm : link
He's gutless and so is his defense. He has no feel for the flow of a game and we make zero changes once Dallas shows is that once again, stopping the run is still job #1 in the NFL despite what some lesser folks love to say about it being just a passing league now. If you can't stop the run you have no chance in any football game. You will lose time of possession, your defense will wear down and your opponent has you beaten. It's a very simple concept that continues to elude several people here who think they know way more than they do. Stop the run, first or you have no chance to win, ever.
RE: Nah he lost me already  
Sean : 10/10/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15406760 Joey in VA said:
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He's gutless and so is his defense. He has no feel for the flow of a game and we make zero changes once Dallas shows is that once again, stopping the run is still job #1 in the NFL despite what some lesser folks love to say about it being just a passing league now. If you can't stop the run you have no chance in any football game. You will lose time of possession, your defense will wear down and your opponent has you beaten. It's a very simple concept that continues to elude several people here who think they know way more than they do. Stop the run, first or you have no chance to win, ever.

Maybe they should have prioritized Dalvin Tomlinson then.
JJs future may depend on whether he can fire his good friend PG.  
Spider56 : 10/10/2021 7:50 pm : link
The defense is terrible and that’s all on the def coordinator.
"but he's shown a lot. "  
Enzo : 10/10/2021 7:51 pm : link
what exactly has he shown - besides a ton of losses?
How do you know  
crick n NC : 10/10/2021 7:51 pm : link
Judge wanted to keep Tomlinson at the price he was paid?
RE: RE: Nah he lost me already  
Mike in NY : 10/10/2021 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15406774 Sean said:
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He's gutless and so is his defense. He has no feel for the flow of a game and we make zero changes once Dallas shows is that once again, stopping the run is still job #1 in the NFL despite what some lesser folks love to say about it being just a passing league now. If you can't stop the run you have no chance in any football game. You will lose time of possession, your defense will wear down and your opponent has you beaten. It's a very simple concept that continues to elude several people here who think they know way more than they do. Stop the run, first or you have no chance to win, ever.


Maybe they should have prioritized Dalvin Tomlinson then.


Minnesota’s D has been atrocious too. The problem is we are giving teams all day to throw. There is no creativity with our DL and our DB’s are always 10-15 yards off the WR’s guarding air.
I honestly don’t give a shit that the team fights hard  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/10/2021 7:53 pm : link
That isn’t some huge plus when you lose all the time. The fact is this team should have at least have one more win and probably 2 if you have generic face McGee on the sideline. His gameplans suck for what we have and his in game management is terrible. Was he that bad today ? No, but that is totally beside the point. This team isn’t in some absolutely ducking must win in week 5 is.
Sorry but Judge stinks.  
mittenedman : 10/10/2021 7:54 pm : link
What exactly makes him so good? Zero experience, a bunch of college coaches and nothing established in any area of the team.

We all thought the D would pace the team this year.

What does a Judge team do well?
RE: RE: RE: Nah he lost me already  
Dave in Buffalo : 10/10/2021 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15406795 Mike in NY said:
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He's gutless and so is his defense. He has no feel for the flow of a game and we make zero changes once Dallas shows is that once again, stopping the run is still job #1 in the NFL despite what some lesser folks love to say about it being just a passing league now. If you can't stop the run you have no chance in any football game. You will lose time of possession, your defense will wear down and your opponent has you beaten. It's a very simple concept that continues to elude several people here who think they know way more than they do. Stop the run, first or you have no chance to win, ever.


Maybe they should have prioritized Dalvin Tomlinson then.



Minnesota’s D has been atrocious too. The problem is we are giving teams all day to throw. There is no creativity with our DL and our DB’s are always 10-15 yards off the WR’s guarding air.


Yeah, I agree. This is not Judge. Judge isn't a finished product, but he showed a lot last year. He's not the problem. And even a remotely good head coach is a rare commodity. Give him time. We don't have the personnel and that's DG.
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Mike in NY : 10/10/2021 8:24 pm : link
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He's gutless and so is his defense. He has no feel for the flow of a game and we make zero changes once Dallas shows is that once again, stopping the run is still job #1 in the NFL despite what some lesser folks love to say about it being just a passing league now. If you can't stop the run you have no chance in any football game. You will lose time of possession, your defense will wear down and your opponent has you beaten. It's a very simple concept that continues to elude several people here who think they know way more than they do. Stop the run, first or you have no chance to win, ever.


Maybe they should have prioritized Dalvin Tomlinson then.



Minnesota’s D has been atrocious too. The problem is we are giving teams all day to throw. There is no creativity with our DL and our DB’s are always 10-15 yards off the WR’s guarding air.



Yeah, I agree. This is not Judge. Judge isn't a finished product, but he showed a lot last year. He's not the problem. And even a remotely good head coach is a rare commodity. Give him time. We don't have the personnel and that's DG.


Then what the hell did we spend money on with Bradberry, Jackson, Ryan, and Williams? We were getting better play from guys who are not on any active roster. The problem is Patrick Graham and Joe Judge’s fear of turning the dogs loose because they might give up chunk plays.
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Dave in Buffalo : 10/10/2021 8:35 pm : link
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He's gutless and so is his defense. He has no feel for the flow of a game and we make zero changes once Dallas shows is that once again, stopping the run is still job #1 in the NFL despite what some lesser folks love to say about it being just a passing league now. If you can't stop the run you have no chance in any football game. You will lose time of possession, your defense will wear down and your opponent has you beaten. It's a very simple concept that continues to elude several people here who think they know way more than they do. Stop the run, first or you have no chance to win, ever.


Maybe they should have prioritized Dalvin Tomlinson then.



Minnesota’s D has been atrocious too. The problem is we are giving teams all day to throw. There is no creativity with our DL and our DB’s are always 10-15 yards off the WR’s guarding air.



Yeah, I agree. This is not Judge. Judge isn't a finished product, but he showed a lot last year. He's not the problem. And even a remotely good head coach is a rare commodity. Give him time. We don't have the personnel and that's DG.



Then what the hell did we spend money on with Bradberry, Jackson, Ryan, and Williams? We were getting better play from guys who are not on any active roster. The problem is Patrick Graham and Joe Judge’s fear of turning the dogs loose because they might give up chunk plays.


I don't think that's it. Why would Graham worry so much about the big chunk after what we did last year? Graham showed major creativity with a less than optimal cast throughout much of last season. I think we don't have the personnel, and never really did, and other teams have adapted. Otherwise, I can't understand why we're not as good, or better than last year. I can't believe that Graham suddenly lost his nerve and smarts...
Judge running our OL depth into retirement seems an odd choice now  
schabadoo : 10/10/2021 8:52 pm : link
And, if his point was discipline, he's failed completely.
Different Personality But  
Jeffrey : 10/10/2021 10:07 pm : link
Actually no better than McAdoo or Shurmur. Would rather have seen the Giants take a proven coach who has led a team at any level before.
Wasn’t his worst game  
AcesUp : 10/10/2021 10:27 pm : link
Probably had no shot given the injuries but he’s philosophically flawed in his approach. Game management might improve and I’m sure he does things well behind the scenes but he has no idea what kind of game he’s getting ready to play. Dallas was going to score 30 on us, they should have dropped 40+ today if they didn’t shoot themselves in the foot multiple times… yet he’s taking coin flip conversion fg attempts early in games when you need your team to score 30. They scored on everybody. They ran the ball at will on everybody outside of Tampa. They can pass on anybody if they choose. It’s an explosive and versatile offense. You need to accept the likelihood that they’re going to score on you and cater your strategy accordingly.

Garrett is calling the plays on offense and I actually think he had a good game. He mixed some high low and took some shots. He had some decent trick plays dialed up. The DJ injury was bad luck and unfortunate but given the spot and the way he set that call up, it was a good call. He needed to be aggressive.1-3 on the road behind in a key divisional game. But you have Judge making the decisions, so you have a game where the OC is calling an aggressive game but Judge is STILL being conservative like it’s gonna be a low scoring one score game and you have the talent edge. There’s a lack of consistency there. He has no feel, there’s no nuance. He’s consistently overly conservative regardless of the situation.
RE: Different Personality But  
Sean : 10/10/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15407382 Jeffrey said:
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Actually no better than McAdoo or Shurmur. Would rather have seen the Giants take a proven coach who has led a team at any level before.

So you want Mike Zimmer in 2022?
Screw Judge  
madeinstars : 10/11/2021 2:06 am : link
This guy is more interested in his own public image as a tough guy than sticking up for his own fucking players.
Run defense  
Go Terps : 10/11/2021 2:18 am : link
Two worst run defenses through 5 weeks:

Chargers - 5.6 YPC
Cardinals - 5.4 YPC

Combined record of those teams is 9-1.

Cardinals are 4th in scoring. Chargers are 5th.

Score points. Win games.
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