This team is built wrong. DG is a horrible GM.
They have ignored the LB's, DLine, and Oline for how long now?? Meanwhile the Cowboys shore up on LB's, get a great DB in the "DRAFT" in Diggs! As well as shoring up on the Oline which is what every great that has success do!
knowing he is injury prone??!! Who does that?? He pulled another Solder move???! Come on.. This Gianst Organization is crap from the bottom to the top!
After everyone on BBI saying he can easily replaced....
Not me. And we could have kept him for less than what we are paying Engram.
I'm also with you as a not me. The other players on the defense all said that Tomlinson did all the dirty work that allowed them to play well. And we are seeing how right they were.
And haven't drafted a great lber since Armstead. They can't set the edge and the safeties and corners are making the stop down field. Same reason tes gah this team across the middle. Terrible linebacker play for years no edge presence
What were the Giants looking for with Lawrence? When you draft a DT or 3-4 defensive end you draft him to be Bruce Smith (3-4 end) or Bob Lilly (4-3 tackle), not someone like Eric Dorsey.
What were the Giants looking for with Lawrence? When you draft a DT or 3-4 defensive end you draft him to be Bruce Smith (3-4 end) or Bob Lilly (4-3 tackle), not someone like Eric Dorsey.
Or was it all because of the hog mollies?
They thought they could coach him into a pass rusher and make him a complete DT.
but it's been an unmitigated disaster. They went to an odd front and dumped more resourced into the line than the LBers and have yet to find a consistent pass rush threat.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
but it's been an unmitigated disaster. They went to an odd front and dumped more resourced into the line than the LBers and have yet to find a consistent pass rush threat.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
They never even tried to build it right. They started with zero LBs when they switched to a 3-4, blew money on Ogletree, then when that failed they paid for Martinez and never put much emphasis on the other 4 LB spots. Drafted project OLBs and stuck a 7th round pick at the other ILB spot.
then where’d he go? Ojulari shows some promise and hopefully he turns out to be a decent Edge for us, but he also disappeared. Other then Martinez and Ojulari, we’ve got nothing at LBer. We also need a NT. A Johnson has done ok, but we need a beast in the middle to help keep LBers clean.
It's amazing just how much the level of play from the defense
has fallen off in just ONE season. And we pretty much kept the entire defensive roster from last year, and the DC who was absolutely fantastic last year.
but it's been an unmitigated disaster. They went to an odd front and dumped more resourced into the line than the LBers and have yet to find a consistent pass rush threat.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
They never even tried to build it right. They started with zero LBs when they switched to a 3-4, blew money on Ogletree, then when that failed they paid for Martinez and never put much emphasis on the other 4 LB spots. Drafted project OLBs and stuck a 7th round pick at the other ILB spot.
In terms of roster/team building it hard to find a plan they executed well in the past 5 years.
The front three grouping was serviceable. There was no edge set by the OLBs and the ILB were slow to read and fill. The Cowboys kept rolling the run game to the side Ojulari was on to start. Although Carter is not a dynamic pass rusher, he had been stout on the edge in previous gmes, but today was not a good game yet he was much better than Ojulari or Ximenes. Crowder and Ragland are the very definition of fungible. Given the scheme, the big guys did most of the dirty work but there wasn't enough talent to in the LB spots to make the plays that were needed in the run game.
but Carter could at least set and edge, stout or loose. On several of the plays this game and against the Saints, Ojulari just crashed down and I didn't see any outside or safety support. It's a low bar, but of what we have, Carter has been the best of the group at at least defining the edge and turning runs in. Carter is not a difference maker but would be a reasonable depth piece. Hopefully Ojulari will get better in the run game, he is just a rook.
but Carter could at least set and edge, stout or loose. On several of the plays this game and against the Saints, Ojulari just crashed down and I didn't see any outside or safety support. It's a low bar, but of what we have, Carter has been the best of the group at at least defining the edge and turning runs in. Carter is not a difference maker but would be a reasonable depth piece. Hopefully Ojulari will get better in the run game, he is just a rook.
TO me whne I hear "stout" it means "Very good."
The reason why I replied if I felt Carter was close to being "very good" then it wouldn't have mattered.
But he isn't. He's subpar (and he gets no rush to boot though that wasn't our discussion.). So on other threads my point is to trade down and get as much help in the front 7 on defense, get an OL, and need a Tight End, and need a RB.
SO far, imo, Carter is not good at anything. Adn imo he doesn't set the Edge good at all. He's subpar.
but it's been an unmitigated disaster. They went to an odd front and dumped more resourced into the line than the LBers and have yet to find a consistent pass rush threat.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
They never even tried to build it right. They started with zero LBs when they switched to a 3-4, blew money on Ogletree, then when that failed they paid for Martinez and never put much emphasis on the other 4 LB spots. Drafted project OLBs and stuck a 7th round pick at the other ILB spot.
I wasn't excited about the shift to a 3-4 from a 4-3, having grown up during Strahan's mid-to-late prime years (with Hammer as his inside running mate and Umenyiora as a later outside parter), then the Nascar pass rush with four defensive ends. I'd suggest switching back to a 4-3 and double-dipping on edge in the draft but then I'd hear about the importance of the amoeba defense.
Gettleman's such a hypocrite. Says rushing the passer is one of his core pieces then doesn't bother getting good pieces for one until possibly this year if Ojulari pans out.
Gettleman's such a hypocrite. Says rushing the passer is one of his core pieces then doesn't bother getting good pieces for one until possibly this year if Ojulari pans out.
Rookies who are good football players don't require years and years to demonstrate if they are, in fact, good football players; that latter is one of the memes BBI convinces itself that failing draft picks are good, they just need time. It's an extension of the 'scholarship' mentality. Rookies, IF they can play, will of course make mistakes but make their presence felt. Haven't seen a lot of presence from Ojulari aside from a play or two per game. Based on early returns, it doesn't look to me that Ojulari is going to be a whole lot more impactful than Carter. But it's early!!
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
They have ignored the LB's, DLine, and Oline for how long now?? Meanwhile the Cowboys shore up on LB's, get a great DB in the "DRAFT" in Diggs! As well as shoring up on the Oline which is what every great that has success do!
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
I would agree with you except that they're not paying Williams to just eat double teams and allow their awful LBs to play.
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
Totally agree. They’ve got shit for ILB’s right now. No question in my mind if we had a Devin White type we’d be singing the praises of Dex and Leo.
Plus Dex is constantly taking on double teams and honestly doesn’t get near the amount of O holding calls against him as he should be getting.
Not me. And we could have kept him for less than what we are paying Engram.
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
^This. Our LBs cannot pursue or set the edge.
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After everyone on BBI saying he can easily replaced....
Not me. And we could have kept him for less than what we are paying Engram.
I'm also with you as a not me. The other players on the defense all said that Tomlinson did all the dirty work that allowed them to play well. And we are seeing how right they were.
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
Then why did we pay Leonard Williams $25 million a year?
Should have been the other way around.
I've had enough of Gettleman. Given him more than enough rope to hang himself, and he's done it.
I loved the pick but I wish the Giants took Montez Sweat there instead. Lawrence hasn’t taken the big step forward that I expected this year,
My god we’ve been saying this for so long.
And yet it remains true.
Because he's just as responsible for the 1-4 record as Garrett. If not more...
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
Exactly.
What were the Giants looking for with Lawrence? When you draft a DT or 3-4 defensive end you draft him to be Bruce Smith (3-4 end) or Bob Lilly (4-3 tackle), not someone like Eric Dorsey.
Or was it all because of the hog mollies?
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Clemson who is just another guy at best
What were the Giants looking for with Lawrence? When you draft a DT or 3-4 defensive end you draft him to be Bruce Smith (3-4 end) or Bob Lilly (4-3 tackle), not someone like Eric Dorsey.
Or was it all because of the hog mollies?
They thought they could coach him into a pass rusher and make him a complete DT.
Back to the drawing board.
I’m not a defense guy but this D’ is not working. I guess I’m thinking if your LB’s stink then get less on the field. They need to try something.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
They never even tried to build it right. They started with zero LBs when they switched to a 3-4, blew money on Ogletree, then when that failed they paid for Martinez and never put much emphasis on the other 4 LB spots. Drafted project OLBs and stuck a 7th round pick at the other ILB spot.
It's incredible, really.
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but it's been an unmitigated disaster. They went to an odd front and dumped more resourced into the line than the LBers and have yet to find a consistent pass rush threat.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
They never even tried to build it right. They started with zero LBs when they switched to a 3-4, blew money on Ogletree, then when that failed they paid for Martinez and never put much emphasis on the other 4 LB spots. Drafted project OLBs and stuck a 7th round pick at the other ILB spot.
In terms of roster/team building it hard to find a plan they executed well in the past 5 years.
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
Wrong.
They also have a job to make tackles.
Last year Dexter had 23 through the 1st games. This year he has 13.
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A 3-4. It's the lines job to give the inside and outside backers room to operate and make plays.
Look who plays ILB. There you go.
Wrong.
They also have a job to make tackles.
Last year Dexter had 23 through the 1st games. This year he has 13.
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Last year Dexter had 23 through the 1st 5 games. This year he has 13.
Not sure--
But I think what you're saying about Carter is wrong. I think he has ben poor setting the edge but could be wrong.
I don't believe any OLB has bene good setting the edge, never mind "stout."
TO me whne I hear "stout" it means "Very good."
The reason why I replied if I felt Carter was close to being "very good" then it wouldn't have mattered.
But he isn't. He's subpar (and he gets no rush to boot though that wasn't our discussion.). So on other threads my point is to trade down and get as much help in the front 7 on defense, get an OL, and need a Tight End, and need a RB.
SO far, imo, Carter is not good at anything. Adn imo he doesn't set the Edge good at all. He's subpar.
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but it's been an unmitigated disaster. They went to an odd front and dumped more resourced into the line than the LBers and have yet to find a consistent pass rush threat.
At least we have a talented and deep secondary. Our safeties remind me of the old adage about QBs: when you have 4, you have none.
They never even tried to build it right. They started with zero LBs when they switched to a 3-4, blew money on Ogletree, then when that failed they paid for Martinez and never put much emphasis on the other 4 LB spots. Drafted project OLBs and stuck a 7th round pick at the other ILB spot.
I wasn't excited about the shift to a 3-4 from a 4-3, having grown up during Strahan's mid-to-late prime years (with Hammer as his inside running mate and Umenyiora as a later outside parter), then the Nascar pass rush with four defensive ends. I'd suggest switching back to a 4-3 and double-dipping on edge in the draft but then I'd hear about the importance of the amoeba defense.
Gettleman's such a hypocrite. Says rushing the passer is one of his core pieces then doesn't bother getting good pieces for one until possibly this year if Ojulari pans out.