I know I'm opening this up to people that hate him and will probably say he sucks if he has a game with one incompletion, 500 yards, and 5 TDs and they'll focus on that one incompletion, but if anyone can be objective was he as bad as it seemed early on or was it mostly on the O-line? I thought there were a couple of throws that got away from him (most notably the play Barkley got hurt on) but he was also under siege until that final drive where "shockingly" he was able to move the football and lead them on a TD drive. But it's tough to see 1 for 9 I won't lie. I thought it was a bit disappointing but also Solder did not give him any sort of pocket and he was running for his life. The O-line improved by Glennon got most of the benefit of that.
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against a better D, he looked equally as bad this week against a D of lesser quality.
You only count the good games, bw. The bad games don't count.
im sorry did he play a full game today? he started to get into a groove on the drive he got hurt, maybe he has a great rest of the game..
Is jones the answer? we dont know yet, but you also dont know that he isnt
Exactly, he had a terrible quarter and a half but the line finally started to giving him and Glennon protection. You could argue that with bad protection he should still have looked better and that's fair but people are counting this as a full game.
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Basically his errant throw initiated the quick sequence of events that led to Barkley’s injury. If a new regime comes in and quickly determines he’s not the guy, who am I to argue?
No it didnt the play was over and the DB ran over and stuck his foot right where Barkley was about to step on his way back to huddle
Wrong. Papa even said so on the broadcast.
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
He must have not seen Mayfield against the Vikings.
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Basically his errant throw initiated the quick sequence of events that led to Barkley’s injury. If a new regime comes in and quickly determines he’s not the guy, who am I to argue?
No it didnt the play was over and the DB ran over and stuck his foot right where Barkley was about to step on his way back to huddle
Wrong. Papa even said so on the broadcast.
Said what? he didnt jump and come down on the db, he hurt it after the play was over
So glad you’re here man ... I know you’re busy giving bellichek advice on the upcoming game.
You’ve been saying this bullshit since gates got hurt and the oline has been better. They were certainly decent last week I don’t think gave up a sack this Dallas game
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against a better D, he looked equally as bad this week against a D of lesser quality.
You only count the good games, bw. The bad games don't count.
im sorry did he play a full game today? he started to get into a groove on the drive he got hurt, maybe he has a great rest of the game..
Is jones the answer? we dont know yet, but you also dont know that he isnt
Exactly, he had a terrible quarter and a half but the line finally started to giving him and Glennon protection. You could argue that with bad protection he should still have looked better and that's fair but people are counting this as a full game.
It wasn’t just bad it was legit awful. And it drives me nuts because there isn’t one fucking QB in the entire league that’s going to produce behind that and anyone else saying otherwise really has zero idea what they are talking about.
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Basically his errant throw initiated the quick sequence of events that led to Barkley’s injury. If a new regime comes in and quickly determines he’s not the guy, who am I to argue?
No it didnt the play was over and the DB ran over and stuck his foot right where Barkley was about to step on his way back to huddle
Wrong. Papa even said so on the broadcast.
Said what? he didnt jump and come down on the db, he hurt it after the play was over
Exactly what I posted. DJ’s errant throw led to Barkley’s injury.
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against a better D, he looked equally as bad this week against a D of lesser quality.
You only count the good games, bw. The bad games don't count.
im sorry did he play a full game today? he started to get into a groove on the drive he got hurt, maybe he has a great rest of the game..
Is jones the answer? we dont know yet, but you also dont know that he isnt
Exactly, he had a terrible quarter and a half but the line finally started to giving him and Glennon protection. You could argue that with bad protection he should still have looked better and that's fair but people are counting this as a full game.
It wasn’t just bad it was legit awful. And it drives me nuts because there isn’t one fucking QB in the entire league that’s going to produce behind that and anyone else saying otherwise really has zero idea what they are talking about.
People seem to forget what Patrick Mahomes lookrd like without his left tackle
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DG for….started at LT today. And rightfully so, he’s awful. It’s possible to play football with one awful tackle but not two unless your interior is stud like. There is one reasons the offense looked functional in second half and it’s because they were forced to use Toney. Plus the pass pro was actually better in second half but still far from good. Just tells you how bad it was In first half. Over and out retards.
So glad you’re here man ... I know you’re busy giving bellichek advice on the upcoming game.
You’ve been saying this bullshit since gates got hurt and the oline has been better. They were certainly decent last week I don’t think gave up a sack this Dallas game
What does last week have to do with this week. Is it any shocker DJ finally had league average type pass pro and found sucesss., All you retards are probably gonna be might upset we bring DJ back and draft 2 lineman In our first 3 picks
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
I swear that some of you are so eager to prove your point so you can go jack off to your I am so right comments.
I like Jones a lot and I think he has what it takes. I was most concerned about his pocket presence but I see that improving too.
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
Did anyone stop to think there’s a very good reason why Garrett isn’t calling passes on that 3rd down. With Glennon a pick 6 in garbage time is no big deal. But when you’re “franchise “ QBs are doing it it could get real embarrassing
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
Did anyone stop to think there’s a very good reason why Garrett isn’t calling passes on that 3rd down. With Glennon a pick 6 in garbage time is no big deal. But when you’re “franchise “ QBs are doing it it could get real embarrassing
Because Garrett is an idiot who shows no feel for play calling except in hurry up/no huddle where D has less of a chance to adjust?
I swear that some of you are so eager to prove your point so you can go jack off to your I am so right comments.
I like Jones a lot and I think he has what it takes. I was most concerned about his pocket presence but I see that improving too.
This team is 1-4. You really remember Simms playing bad? I started watching as a kid in 84 and have no recollection of Simms playing like this. Admittedly Eli some games but he also show up on opening day and will throw 300 yards and play better that Peyton in the manning bowl. It’s year three and jones is still yet to do that!
Shouldn't John Ross have run away from the DB he started even with on two of those throws? Fastest man in the NFL?
(I grant he stumbled or was tied up during one of those routes but that wasn't DJ's fault, was it?)
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I learned a lot of patience with the QB. Eli had some of the worst games I have seen and some awful starts to games. The one thing he did at a HOF level was come through in the clutch. I don’t judge by how the QB starts the game but how they finish. DJ showed me a lot last week and expect to see more of that. One thing Simms had and Eli had were defenses with great pass rushers. That makes a big difference and helps close out games and makes up for bad and mistakes.
I swear that some of you are so eager to prove your point so you can go jack off to your I am so right comments.
I like Jones a lot and I think he has what it takes. I was most concerned about his pocket presence but I see that improving too.
This team is 1-4. You really remember Simms playing bad? I started watching as a kid in 84 and have no recollection of Simms playing like this. Admittedly Eli some games but he also show up on opening day and will throw 300 yards and play better that Peyton in the manning bowl. It’s year three and jones is still yet to do that!
Didnt he just throw for 400 yards and put the team on his back and bring them back for a win?
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
Did anyone stop to think there’s a very good reason why Garrett isn’t calling passes on that 3rd down. With Glennon a pick 6 in garbage time is no big deal. But when you’re “franchise “ QBs are doing it it could get real embarrassing
Because Garrett is an idiot who shows no feel for play calling except in hurry up/no huddle where D has less of a chance to adjust?
Oh right it Garrett. Ok a coach that was once 13-3. You think a special teams coach will ever be 13-3? You think some bush leaguer QB who is only a little better than Glennon will ever be 13-3???
the first drive of the game should have been 3 or more if Toney didn't have the drop on 3rd down.
the second drive Barkley got hurt on the first play. booker got 1 yard on 2nd down and on 3rd down they took a shot to Ross that was close but didn't connect.
the third drive had 2 runs and again they took a shot to ross on 3rd down that didn't connect.
the fourth drive he connected deep with Toney. Had a couple misfires to Golladay who left the game shortly after. FG.
the fifth drive he was 4/4 for 60 yards and got them to the 1 when he got hurt.
he wasn't at his best but he was keeping pace (and heating up) on the road against the team leading the NFL in turnovers and they were losing guys on every series. this franchise is so snake bitten right now it's hard to fathom.
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
Did anyone stop to think there’s a very good reason why Garrett isn’t calling passes on that 3rd down. With Glennon a pick 6 in garbage time is no big deal. But when you’re “franchise “ QBs are doing it it could get real embarrassing
Because Garrett is an idiot who shows no feel for play calling except in hurry up/no huddle where D has less of a chance to adjust?
Oh right it Garrett. Ok a coach that was once 13-3. You think a special teams coach will ever be 13-3? You think some bush leaguer QB who is only a little better than Glennon will ever be 13-3???
If you think Garrett had anything to do with that team being 13-3 I have a bridge to sell you. They were 13-3 in spite of Garrett not because of him.
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
Did anyone stop to think there’s a very good reason why Garrett isn’t calling passes on that 3rd down. With Glennon a pick 6 in garbage time is no big deal. But when you’re “franchise “ QBs are doing it it could get real embarrassing
Because Garrett is an idiot who shows no feel for play calling except in hurry up/no huddle where D has less of a chance to adjust?
Oh right it Garrett. Ok a coach that was once 13-3. You think a special teams coach will ever be 13-3? You think some bush leaguer QB who is only a little better than Glennon will ever be 13-3???
You do know Harbaugh and Tomlin were both soecial trams coaches before becoming head coaches right?
and when Glennon came in the offense kept moving the ball.
5 games in I'm a lot more disappointed with Graham than Garrett.
well maybe barkley should be aware of where other players are so he doesn't step on their fuking shoe? oh wait..that take is worst then you saying it happened because of a bad throw
and when Glennon came in the offense kept moving the ball.
5 games in I'm a lot more disappointed with Graham than Garrett.
they both suck and you are an idiot
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That is the bottom line. Not even Glennon overthrows three people. Golladay abd barley all over their head. You see that once In awhile
Oh my goodness, you re kidding right. Those 3 passes after all the accuracy he has displayed over 2+ seasons, prove he s not an NFL quarterback, ....?
Ok, thanks for clearing up the question of Jones.
There’s more to than that. But I cannot remember an nfl qb with misses like those ;not three like that. It’s also year 3 jones is till doing reckless things and getting hurt. He’s still not throwing in tight windows in the red zone .. the fact he still doesn’t have an int yet. He is still playing with no balls and scared or throwing an int and on pace for another 11 TD season
Hard to throw passing TD’s when your OC calls 4 straight runs. What we need are TD’s when we get in red zone. I don’t care if they are running or passing as long as we get them.
Did anyone stop to think there’s a very good reason why Garrett isn’t calling passes on that 3rd down. With Glennon a pick 6 in garbage time is no big deal. But when you’re “franchise “ QBs are doing it it could get real embarrassing
Because Garrett is an idiot who shows no feel for play calling except in hurry up/no huddle where D has less of a chance to adjust?
Oh right it Garrett. Ok a coach that was once 13-3. You think a special teams coach will ever be 13-3? You think some bush leaguer QB who is only a little better than Glennon will ever be 13-3???
You do know Harbaugh and Tomlin were both soecial trams coaches before becoming head coaches right?
Tomlin was a wide receivers coach at first, then defensive backs (switched circa 1997-1998; won a Super Bowl ring with the Buccaneers as a defensive backs coach in 2002). Then a defensive coordinator for the Vikings in 2006 and was with them for a year before the Steelers hired him.
I hate to pile on here, but he can’t take on contact the way he does. I’ve always thought there was something off with Jones internal clock. And we see that plenty with his throws but it often appears in his running. It’s like he sees the hits coming but does get down in time or he fails to get out of bounds by just a step or two. Idk, but his clock just seems off.
On the goal line today - that was a stupid fucking call btw, just sneak or hand it off to your RB2 - but on the goal line today the problem wasn’t Jones timing. He has to know not to take contact there - either slide or throw it away or run out of bounds for a loss. But he wasn’t going to run through TWO defenders. That was just a really bad decision. He has to know better, and I’m sure he does know better in the film room or on the practice field. But when he’s between the lines on game day he makes a lot stupid plays.
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Basically his errant throw initiated the quick sequence of events that led to Barkley’s injury. If a new regime comes in and quickly determines he’s not the guy, who am I to argue?
well maybe barkley should be aware of where other players are so he doesn't step on their fuking shoe? oh wait..that take is worst then you saying it happened because of a bad throw
Again, Papa said the same thing as I did on the broadcast immediately after I did watching it unfold on the television. But carry on, folks…
Didnt he just throw for 400 yards and put the team on his back and bring them back for a win?
Jones is a ride along. The wideouts and toney and Barkley were playing well. Jones is a routine guy. He can make easy throws if his receyare very open... he’s not a playmaker. He basically just another player on offense. If they’re playing well he can ride their coattails to a win. But he will never be the guy that initiated it . Obvious
Also jameis Winston is now the same as outplaying Peyton? Or insert another legend of the game
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Didnt he just throw for 400 yards and put the team on his back and bring them back for a win?
Jones is a ride along. The wideouts and toney and Barkley were playing well. Jones is a routine guy. He can make easy throws if his receyare very open... he’s not a playmaker. He basically just another player on offense. If they’re playing well he can ride their coattails to a win. But he will never be the guy that initiated it . Obvious
Also jameis Winston is now the same as outplaying Peyton? Or insert another legend of the game
Well he might sometimes be the guy that carries you, maybe two times a year, and that's the catnip that keeps these guys thinking he is great. but Trubisky and Mariota can do the same.
ALl these guys want to line up and suck a bush leaguers dick for beating a janeis Winston and a complacent saints team
And Simms like what ?
One difference is we got a red zone touchdown pass from Glennon. The ball comes out faster off him, which is noticeable in the red zone.
The offense was below average with Jones. It will probably stay about the same level of below average with Glennon.
Today was set-up for Jones to pick up where he left off against New Orleans. Instead, Jones looked like he was up against the '00 Ravens.
While the Dallas D is better, it can still be exploited. It was a very disappointing effort.
There is nothing natural about his game. It's just robotic and programmed.
One difference is we got a red zone touchdown pass from Glennon. The ball comes out faster off him, which is noticeable in the red zone.
The offense was below average with Jones. It will probably stay about the same level of below average with Glennon.
The offense wasn't worse under Geno Smith than it was under Russell Wilson last game. Clearly Wilson sucks.
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Didnt he just throw for 400 yards and put the team on his back and bring them back for a win?
Jones is a ride along. The wideouts and toney and Barkley were playing well. Jones is a routine guy. He can make easy throws if his receyare very open... he’s not a playmaker. He basically just another player on offense. If they’re playing well he can ride their coattails to a win. But he will never be the guy that initiated it . Obvious
Also jameis Winston is now the same as outplaying Peyton? Or insert another legend of the game
If you were evaluating QBs between 2004 to 2007 we would never have won a championship or 2
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Didnt he just throw for 400 yards and put the team on his back and bring them back for a win?
Jones is a ride along. The wideouts and toney and Barkley were playing well. Jones is a routine guy. He can make easy throws if his receyare very open... he’s not a playmaker. He basically just another player on offense. If they’re playing well he can ride their coattails to a win. But he will never be the guy that initiated it . Obvious
Also jameis Winston is now the same as outplaying Peyton? Or insert another legend of the game
If you were evaluating QBs between 2004 to 2007 we would never have won a championship or 2
What are you talking about? I was "evaluating" Eli back then. And go ahead answer the question--Eli was outplaying his bro Peyton in the Manning bowl by his 3rd year--is that the same as looking better than Jameis Wiston on a cpmplacent Saints team? Yes or no?
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They finished with 20 points, which is about what they average with Jones.
One difference is we got a red zone touchdown pass from Glennon. The ball comes out faster off him, which is noticeable in the red zone.
The offense was below average with Jones. It will probably stay about the same level of below average with Glennon.
The offense wasn't worse under Geno Smith than it was under Russell Wilson last game. Clearly Wilson sucks.
on the one possession where they were actually driving, he caps it off by getting his head smashed trying to muscle through two LBs. bad playcall sure, but slide there dude, jfc.
jones will miss time with injury every year due to shit like this.
not a winning recipe.
I thought Jones was awful yesterday. I definitely don't think he's the guy to lead this team back to respectability but I can't bad-mouth him for trying to make a play and get into the end zone.
I can't see any QB in the league sliding inside the 1 yard line.
All that said it was one bad game and doesn't prove or disprove anything. However, that injury is the worst part of yesterday, as it likely means his running will be limited once he does come back, which seriously limits his game.
And because we had Jones we didn't draft Herbert. It's a catastrophe for this organization.
Chances are more than likely that Jones is never going to be like Eli. he is never going to be a 2x SB MVP. He is never going to be a future HOFer. He is never going to lead an above average team to a SB against an undefeated team favored by 11 and beat them. That is just the reality. Just like I am not going to win the lotto or even win at a casino or get a hummer from Kate Upton.
The fact that it is year 3 and the coaches are calling 4 run plays in a row on a goal line stand should tell you something. I think Garret has been around this game a little longer than Joe drunk sports fan.
Chances are more than likely that Jones is never going to be like Eli. he is never going to be a 2x SB MVP. He is never going to be a future HOFer. He is never going to lead an above average team to a SB against an undefeated team favored by 11 and beat them. That is just the reality. Just like I am not going to win the lotto or even win at a casino or get a hummer from Kate Upton.
The fact that it is year 3 and the coaches are calling 4 run plays in a row on a goal line stand should tell you something. I think Garret has been around this game a little longer than Joe drunk sports fan.
Unfortunately, the jury is still out on Jones. But, those calling him a backup are off the mark. He was having a fine start to this season and was showing he belongs in the NFL. However, what he has not shown is that he is a franchise QB; the guy who can put a team on his shoulders and lead them to wins. Plural. Not a game here or there.
Part of that is the same reason Barkley is under such scrutiny and second contracts for both are a question. That x factor is the OL. We have yet to make a dent in improving this OL to an acceptable level. The best they have done is gone from bottom 3 in the league to bottom third of the league.
Chances are more than likely that Jones is never going to be like Eli. he is never going to be a 2x SB MVP. He is never going to be a future HOFer. He is never going to lead an above average team to a SB against an undefeated team favored by 11 and beat them. That is just the reality. Just like I am not going to win the lotto or even win at a casino or get a hummer from Kate Upton.
The fact that it is year 3 and the coaches are calling 4 run plays in a row on a goal line stand should tell you something. I think Garret has been around this game a little longer than Joe drunk sports fan.
I can take the losing and I can even take the endless excuses for Jones. But you’re telling me there’s no shot for me to get hummer from Kate Upton? Now *thats* bad news.