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giantsfanforlife : 10/10/2021 10:52 pm
Did you really thought the Giants would turn it around after winning Week 4 vs the Saints? I appreciate the fans that are optimistic, but you have to come to reality, the giants not making the playoffs because they are a bad team. Yes every team (even bad teams) find ways to win games they not suppose to win. We are in the same class as the Jets, not the Cowboys. Troy Aikman is right about that. Losing Lemineux, Gates, Martinez, Jones, Saquon, Shepard, Slayton, Golladay, does hurt, but this is Sports, next man up mentality. As I said earlier, our season is over since we lost to the Washington Football team Week 2 (knowing that was a must win game). People can say how you gonna win with all these players hurt? We were losing with all these players when they are healthy. Bad team find ways to lose and that what we are.

We don't have bad luck. we have 2 GM that can't draft and make the Giants a good team since 2013 (Both Gettleman and Reese had plenty of time to make this team relevant). We have an owner who has made mistakes and our GM has hire bad coaches. This goes up all the way to John Mara, but as a owner he won't be gone. Get ready to have a new General Manager, new head coach, and a new quarterback (if the new GM doesn't want Jones). This is a performance league and if you not winning games, there will be changes made down the road. The Giants won't be good until 2-3 years from now.

I will still watch and root for my team, but I came to reality that we are in rebuilding mode and just hope this offseason and after, things will get better.

I didn't think we'd win today...  
BillKo : 10/10/2021 10:55 pm : link
...I was more interested in playing competitive football and watching Daniel Jones continue to ascend.

I think we are only winning another 3 or 4 games....so no playoffs aren't remotely in my mind.
RE: I didn't think we'd win today...  
giantsfanforlife : 10/10/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15407509 BillKo said:
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...I was more interested in playing competitive football and watching Daniel Jones continue to ascend.

I think we are only winning another 3 or 4 games....so no playoffs aren't remotely in my mind.


I am sure there are fans like me and you who thought we not winning this game and expect improvements, but I don't get why people are upset week after week. We are a bad team and we find ways to lose. Yes having more injuries does hurt, but we been losing with everyone healthy.
Was it next man up mentality after this Cowboys team last year  
BestFeature : 10/10/2021 11:02 pm : link
lost Dak and finished like 5-11? Or was it a legit excuse then?
RE: Was it next man up mentality after this Cowboys team last year  
giantsfanforlife : 10/10/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15407525 BestFeature said:
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lost Dak and finished like 5-11? Or was it a legit excuse then?


My point I was making earlier is if you draft well and have good free agents signing, you will have good depth, since injury happens in sports. Yes Dak got hurt but the cowboys still had chances to make the playoff. What if they won against the Giants Week 17 and Redskin lost to Eagles? Yes backups are backups for reason but if you have good depth, you can still win some games.
You said  
Reese's Pieces : 10/10/2021 11:27 pm : link
Losing Lemineux, Gates, Martinez, Jones, Saquon, Shepard, Slayton, Golladay, does hurt, but this is Sports, next man up mentality. As I said earlier, our season is over since we lost to the Washington Football team Week 2 (knowing that was a must win game). People can say how you gonna win with all these players hurt? We were losing with all these players when they are healthy. Bad team find ways to lose and that what we are.

Teams that have been bad for a long time develop a loser's mentality. We saw the Giants lose two games on the last second field goal that they should have won. That comes from being from having the mindset of a loser.

Like the Bills and the Cards finally turned their franchises around, so the Giants are in the process of doing if they don't turnover their management and get rid of their best players as the Giants did in 2017 and 2018 when they cleaned out the 2016 defense that had finished 3rd best in points allowed and placed six players on the All Pro team.
RE: RE: Was it next man up mentality after this Cowboys team last year  
BestFeature : 10/10/2021 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15407542 giantsfanforlife said:
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In comment 15407525 BestFeature said:


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lost Dak and finished like 5-11? Or was it a legit excuse then?



My point I was making earlier is if you draft well and have good free agents signing, you will have good depth, since injury happens in sports. Yes Dak got hurt but the cowboys still had chances to make the playoff. What if they won against the Giants Week 17 and Redskin lost to Eagles? Yes backups are backups for reason but if you have good depth, you can still win some games.


Chance to win the worst division in history.
The team being good this year was strongly dependent  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/10/2021 11:34 pm : link
on the defense being somewhere in the neighborhood as good as they were last year. They're not even close to that level this year. They kept 99% of last year's defense AND the DC who was great last season, but they have thoroughly underperformed this season. Even without the injuries on offense, this team was/is going to have alot of issues with the defense playing this bad.
RE: You said  
giantsfanforlife : 10/10/2021 11:36 pm : link
In comment 15407570 Reese's Pieces said:
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Losing Lemineux, Gates, Martinez, Jones, Saquon, Shepard, Slayton, Golladay, does hurt, but this is Sports, next man up mentality. As I said earlier, our season is over since we lost to the Washington Football team Week 2 (knowing that was a must win game). People can say how you gonna win with all these players hurt? We were losing with all these players when they are healthy. Bad team find ways to lose and that what we are.

Teams that have been bad for a long time develop a loser's mentality. We saw the Giants lose two games on the last second field goal that they should have won. That comes from being from having the mindset of a loser.

Like the Bills and the Cards finally turned their franchises around, so the Giants are in the process of doing if they don't turnover their management and get rid of their best players as the Giants did in 2017 and 2018 when they cleaned out the 2016 defense that had finished 3rd best in points allowed and placed six players on the All Pro team.


I do agree that the players may not be passion or show fight or not be confident and that may be a factor as well this season, but its also that we have bad players and our depth is not good. If we hire a new General Manager, there are chances he keeps current players, but you will also expect new coaches and players as well. We just got to hope for the best.
RE: The team being good this year was strongly dependent  
giantsfanforlife : 10/10/2021 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15407577 Dave in Hoboken said:
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on the defense being somewhere in the neighborhood as good as they were last year. They're not even close to that level this year. They kept 99% of last year's defense AND the DC who was great last season, but they have thoroughly underperformed this season. Even without the injuries on offense, this team was/is going to have alot of issues with the defense playing this bad.


Every year is different, sometimes the players get better or worse, injury happens, the rankings always changes, and team changes as well. We seen bad teams get better and good teams get worse. I am sure a lot of people had high expectation of this defense since we finish top 10. We just have to hope our defense is better next year.
OP is making stuff up  
giantstock : 10/11/2021 4:21 am : link
There is no such thing actually of "Next Man up Mentality" as having any meaning. That's a media created saying with no real meaning from team to team.

But OP is right, we're a bad team. Have to rebuild yet again.
This is why I always laugh  
madeinstars : 10/11/2021 4:45 am : link
At the blind optimists in the off season. They make the same mistake every year.

They assume that everybody who did well continues to do well. They assume that everybody who struggled will get better. They assume that every young player will improve. They also disregard that other temas also improved (or tried to) in the off season.

In reality progress is never linear. Regression to the mean happens every year (btw especially defensive stats are quite variable from year to year). Sometimes players never get better. Sometimes players fall off a cliff. Often times players get hurt.

It's basically safe to say that if you have to rely on so many things going right and so many players to improve in a given aff season, you're already fucked. It's hard enough for good players to stay consistent year-to-year. Average or bad players don't often improve to above average players at all.
They thought they would turn it around when Jones won  
Debaser : 10/11/2021 5:01 am : link
...in the Tampa game as a rookie. At least if Jersey sales were any indication and callers of sports shows shows
How do we explain  
JFIB : 10/11/2021 9:53 am : link
The massive drop off in performance on Defense when compared to last year? How does Bradberry's play fall so fast? The run defense was bad before we lost Martinez. Is it really just the loss of Tomlinson that caused it? It's befuddling.
I don’t believe in losers mentality.......  
Simms11 : 10/11/2021 10:04 am : link
They need some leaders that play above the Xs and Os on this team. I can see Toney being one of those guys. I thought Barkley would be one as well, but he’s been MIA on the field last two years due to injuries. Defense needs that dog, and Martinez was good, but not the guy to lead them like that. We’re missing the Strahans, Tucks, LTs of the Defense.
RE: How do we explain  
Simms11 : 10/11/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15408125 JFIB said:
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The massive drop off in performance on Defense when compared to last year? How does Bradberry's play fall so fast? The run defense was bad before we lost Martinez. Is it really just the loss of Tomlinson that caused it? It's befuddling.


I see ILBs getting moved right out of plays and Edge defenders not doing a very good job there either. LBers are sorely lacking in this team, especially on a 3-4 base defense!!
I predicted a win v NO,  
Section331 : 10/11/2021 10:09 am : link
but thought yesterday was a bad match up. NO struggles to score, Dallas doesn't have that problem. Even a close loss, however, would have shown we were on the right trajectory. Who knows what to think now.
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