Despite claiming that his biggest priority was to fix the OL and fortify the trenches, Gettleman's biggest expenditure of resources has been on defensive backs. Not only has he wasted draft resources on DBs, but he has signed average players to burdensome contracts.
Gettleman used 11 picks on defensive backs in the past three drafts. None of his picks have been good.
2019
Baker (2nd, 4th and 5th)
Beal (supplemental draft, cost a 2019 3rd)
Love (4th)
Ballentine (5th)
2020
McKinney (2nd)
Holmes (4th)
Williamson (7th)
2021
Robinson (3rd)
Williams (6th)
In fact, his DB picks have had such little impact (at best) that Gettleman has had to sign free agents for starters. And the contracts are a huge chunk of the salary cap this year, and are worse next year.
Bradberry, Jackson and Ryan will cost $49.55 million in 2022. That's nearly 25% of the expected cap for 2022. Can anyone here say they are worth close to that?
If they continue to play poorly, the Giants can't much about it: If cut, Bradberry can be but for $12 million in cap savings but will still leave $9.7 million of dead money on the books.
Even worse is Jackson's contract: If cut in 2022, it will cost the Giants $18.5 million in dead money ($3 million more than they will actually be paying him in 2022).
Similarly if Ryan is cut in 2022, it will cost the Giants $11.45 million in dead money with a cap savings of only $775,000.
You've seen the results on the field. These guys have been awful. Horrible angles, dropped INTs, blown coverages, broken tackles.
Gettlmen's drafting and signing of DBs has been incompetent and reckless, in my opinion, and is reason number one why this clown should be shown the door.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie haha
It might also help if we didn’t line up 34 yards off.
- Barkley #2 overall
- Nate Solder signing
- The Pat Shurmer hiring
- Sticking with Eli too long
- Piss poor drafting at premium spots in the first 3 rounds - Hernandez, Carter, Baker, Ximines, Holmes
- The Golden Tate signing
- Kyle Rudolph signing
- No Oline selection in 2021 draft then scrambling to put together a unit right before the season starts.
I don’t know. The guy’s been a disaster. It is what it is.
Really I meant his biggest failure is what he's spent on DBs (draft picks and $), what we have now, and the liability with what we are stuck with in the future.
If he spent half those picks on OL (you know, the thing he was going to fix) then the team wouldn't be as horrible as they are now.
He drafted Barkley and Jones. They haven't reached near peak because the OL has bene limited.
Andrew Thomas and Toney for sure. I would argue DJ. The problem is that outside of the 1st round, he has not found any upper echelon players. Love is ok. WH is ok. Slayton is ok. But three simply ok players is not going to do it.
Lawrence is a solid pick.
Agree. I thought it would be the strength of the team. But Bradbury and Ryan have regressed, Jackson has disappointed, and McKinney has unimpressed.
McKinney - a week after the draft I posted a link to a CFB analyst (not a draft pundit) who looked closely at McKinney: some big flashy plays, no doubt, but he emphasized how his tackling was spotty and often armed (didn't give the body), his angles to get at a receiver running after the catch were often poor and led to big plays against him, miscues on scheme. There was one play after the catch yesterday, with McKinney in position to lay lumber and maybe dislodge the ball--he gave a two-handed shove as if he were playing touch. I hate the pick and the player, another very underwhelming #2. TB made a better S pick many slots later. The Jets seem to find gold much later.
Looks to me as if Jackson has decided to mail it in and sit on his new riches.
In the draft and free agency Gettleman buys high and sells low. With his predecessor, ten years of this has destroyed this franchise on the field.
Some have pointed that Aaron Robinson would make a big difference as slot still doesn't have a great cover guy.
In a bend....not break approach ....someone needs to make a play.
The lack of tackling from the LBers is a major concern...Martinez is major loss
Mckinney is a fraud. There was a reason no other team moved up to get him. He can't tackle and has made tons of errors at safety. I hope for our sake he improves
Jackson was let go by TENN. For a reason! but lets give him 16M next year
75M + with 4 players on D including Ryan, Leo Bradberry and Jackson for next year. Throw in Martinez and its closer to 90M. NICe work DG.
For someone who has had three top 10 picks (two of which were top 5), there has been minimal impact. Later rounds have not been kind either. He is dangerously close to Matt Millen territory......
Several additional points:
(1) He also traded a seventh to Denver for Yiadom, who he subsequently traded to GB for Jackson, another failed DB.
(2) He traded a 2023 sixth round pick to Houston for Crossen.
Ballentine was a sixth round pick.
Robinson was a third and a fifth (the fifth we got from the Bears) because DG traded up from #76 to #71 to take him.
Robinson was a third and a fifth (the fifth we got from the Bears) because DG traded up from #76 to #71 to take him.
Thanks for the clarifying posts. Good god it's even worse than I thought!!!!
This is not the best team, but it's also not the worst team.
Either the coaching isn't there from a scheme and technical/fundamentals standpoint, or the players simply don't care enough. I can't believe it's the latter.
Somebody pointed out the 2011 Eagles...their coaching that season was abysmal. They shouldn't have been that bad. I remember they were playing some "Wide 9" defense, and their OL coach was a guy brought out of retirement....Reid was starting to throw darts.
I am really starting to wonder about the staff. The crazy thing is last year there was no denying that the team appeared to have that look of a team starting to get it.
they did? They were not competitive in 3 of the last 4 games of the season.
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Name a single, unquestionably really good draft pick that DG has made since he's been hired...
Lawrence is a solid pick.
How much of this is the GM versus the scouting department? I feel like the NYG don't hit on talent below rd. 2 very often.
This is not the best team, but it's also not the worst team.
I am really starting to wonder about the staff. The crazy thing is last year there was no denying that the team appeared to have that look of a team starting to get it.
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It is the worst team in the division. Just because you are in denial doesn't make it true.
You realize that the offensive line was 31st last year, right? And who did they pick up before season started? And yet you as an "unbias Giant’s fan" assume they will go up in trajectory, right?
That’s just the OL. Never mind out tight ends suck. Never mind we've ben decimated with injuries to the receiving core. Never mind Barkley in game one give us nothing coming back from injury then in game 5 gets hurt early again.
SO with all of this - we aren't among the worst teams? Did you realize that last year we were in a historically bad division and we still couldn't win it? And yet what did we hear? How we went 5-3 down the stretch beating banged teams like Dallas, Philly and Cincy without Burrow?
The problem is your expectations / belief of this team is out of touch with what they actually are when you compound the issue with injuries.
More to my point, you figured this guy would really be a difference maker based on pre draft talk.
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...something is wrong here.
This is not the best team, but it's also not the worst team.
I am really starting to wonder about the staff. The crazy thing is last year there was no denying that the team appeared to have that look of a team starting to get it.
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It is the worst team in the division. Just because you are in denial doesn't make it true.
You realize that the offensive line was 31st last year, right? And who did they pick up before season started? And yet you as an "unbias Giant’s fan" assume they will go up in trajectory, right?
That’s just the OL. Never mind out tight ends suck. Never mind we've ben decimated with injuries to the receiving core. Never mind Barkley in game one give us nothing coming back from injury then in game 5 gets hurt early again.
SO with all of this - we aren't among the worst teams? Did you realize that last year we were in a historically bad division and we still couldn't win it? And yet what did we hear? How we went 5-3 down the stretch beating banged teams like Dallas, Philly and Cincy without Burrow?
The problem is your expectations / belief of this team is out of touch with what they actually are when you compound the issue with injuries.
LOL, you should read my post again and understand nuance.
No where did I state we weren't the worst team in the divison. We are right now lol
I said worst team in regards to the entire NFL, and that the return on performance we are getting should be better.
The product blows but shouldn't be that bad. Coaching is contributing to it.
Matt - totally agree. They should not be THIS BAD.
There's some talent there to work with.
On paper yes they are talented but the performance is still a failure. They (the whole org GM included) has invested a ton in a secondary that through 5 games hasn't gotten the job done while being mostly healthy. And Dak was the first plus QB they faced too. If they only caught the easy int's that were dropped this team would have 1 or 2 more wins.
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...something is wrong here.
This is not the best team, but it's also not the worst team.
I am really starting to wonder about the staff. The crazy thing is last year there was no denying that the team appeared to have that look of a team starting to get it.
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It is the worst team in the division. Just because you are in denial doesn't make it true.
You realize that the offensive line was 31st last year, right? And who did they pick up before season started? And yet you as an "unbias Giant’s fan" assume they will go up in trajectory, right?
That’s just the OL. Never mind out tight ends suck. Never mind we've ben decimated with injuries to the receiving core. Never mind Barkley in game one give us nothing coming back from injury then in game 5 gets hurt early again.
SO with all of this - we aren't among the worst teams? Did you realize that last year we were in a historically bad division and we still couldn't win it? And yet what did we hear? How we went 5-3 down the stretch beating banged teams like Dallas, Philly and Cincy without Burrow?
The problem is your expectations / belief of this team is out of touch with what they actually are when you compound the issue with injuries.
LOL, you should read my post again and understand nuance.
No where did I state we weren't the worst team in the divison. We are right now lol
I said worst team in regards to the entire NFL, and that the return on performance we are getting should be better.
The product blows but shouldn't be that bad. Coaching is contributing to it.
They aren';t the worst team in the league. You should try to understand the extreme exaggerations you're making and maybe tone it down?