This was always going to be a cross-roads year, either way. Some fans (and ownership) thought we had the right direction, some did not. We have our answer. (Which in some ways is better than a 7-9 win season where the answer would not necessarily be clear.)
The goals now are manifold, but they should focus mostly on helping the young guys improve and selling every last veteran on this roster who can bring us picks and cap flexibility. I really hope we start this process ASAP. I'm not a fan of the current GM but I'm hoping maybe he can at least set us up well on the way out; he does seem like an honorable person.
I have no clue whether Gettleman is honorable or not. AFAIK, he has never kicked a dog or swindled a widow. There has been nothing conspicuously honorable about his tenure as GM.
In any case, even if he does what he can to rearrange deck chairs as the ship goes down, he will leave a titanic mess for his successor.
And I think DG’s hands are tied anyway. There’s no cap space this year or in 2022. Are we worried about him shifting cap into 2023? I guess it’s possible.
The good news is pretty limited: Engram and Peppers will be off the books, and the dead money hits on Solder, Bradberry, Shepard, and Martinez, while painful, are not devastating: about $25MM total.
Meanwhile, Leonard Williams, Kenny Golladay, Adoree Jackson and Logan Ryan will consume about $75MM. That would be fine if they were difference-makers at their respective positions. Maybe two or three of them can be. More likely, most have played their best football and will remain vastly overpaid.
The thing Dave Gettleman hasn't done in four years - the one thing he probably needed to do for anything else to matter - was to tell the owners, "This year is a write-off. We will stink. With luck and health, we might win six games; with neither, we might win two. Next year might not be any better. I'm setting this team up for future success - with or without me as GM. That means wiping the slate clean. We trade who we can, cut who we have to, let free agents walk, and don't sign expensive stopgaps. We let kids play. Some of those kids will become legitimate pros. Most will be bagging groceries in a year or two, because we don't have the draft resources to fill the roster with NFL-caliber talent. If you can't live with all that, find another GM."
That should have been his interview pitch. At worst, he should have delivered that ultimatum in 2019 or 2020. In 2021, he's still saddling the team with debts the next GM will have to pay.
Honorable? Pffffft. His entire tenure has been an extended version of Jerry Reese's 2016 offseason, without the playoff berth as a reward for mortgaging the future.
I especially like those 'if this and this we would be 2-2' arguments.
If Rudolph doesn't recover Barkley's fumble, we are 0-5 right now.
I don’t know why “homers” bother you, it s not like their optimism is the reason for the team’s continued losing.
However, to be fair, the team they felt good about did include, Daniel, Barkley, Golladay, Thomas, and Shepherd.
Those players would have helped yesterday.
Jones probably yes depending on how the year finishes, Barkley probably not.
DG might retire but his system will stay in place....the teams talent level is substantially better...eventhough, results are similar.
The Coaches have lead the poor start..with poor decisions, poor play calling in losses and general mindboggling game mgt.
But they won't be moving on...maybe Garrett, but the Offense is right now better than the defense
Jones is a Sam Darnold situation, though he's cheaper and might be a better player than Darnold. If a new regime comes in, and doesn't think Jones is the guy, they can get something for him - assuming he's healthy. His roster bonus and salary are fully guaranteed, but he's only due $4.2MM next year. That's the cost of a solid backup.
In short, the "crossroads" decisions are Jones and a few other guys with big contracts, like Bradberry and Williams. Barkley isn't really a "crossroads". IMO, he's more of a roadblock, if anything. That could change, if he suddenly becomes durable and regains his 2018 form. For now, though, he looks like a mistake the next regime will write off. Even John Mara will get tired of waiting at some point. In four seasons, Saquon has contributed meaningfully to seven wins. Not saying he was the star of the game, just that he was a factor. Four of the seven were in 2018. And the number isn't likely to increase any time soon.
Love the kid. Loved the player he might have been. But he hasn't made the impact you need from the #2 pick - especially at a position where careers are relatively short - and chances are he never will, at least not with this dumpster fire of a team. Maybe he can pull a Fournette and collect rings someplace else.
Jones is a Sam Darnold situation, though he's cheaper and might be a better player than Darnold. If a new regime comes in, and doesn't think Jones is the guy, they can get something for him - assuming he's healthy. His roster bonus and salary are fully guaranteed, but he's only due $4.2MM next year. That's the cost of a solid backup.
In short, the "crossroads" decisions are Jones and a few other guys with big contracts, like Bradberry and Williams. Barkley isn't really a "crossroads". IMO, he's more of a roadblock, if anything. That could change, if he suddenly becomes durable and regains his 2018 form. For now, though, he looks like a mistake the next regime will write off. Even John Mara will get tired of waiting at some point. In four seasons, Saquon has contributed meaningfully to seven wins. Not saying he was the star of the game, just that he was a factor. Four of the seven were in 2018. And the number isn't likely to increase any time soon.
Love the kid. Loved the player he might have been. But he hasn't made the impact you need from the #2 pick - especially at a position where careers are relatively short - and chances are he never will, at least not with this dumpster fire of a team. Maybe he can pull a Fournette and collect rings someplace else.
Bradberry and Williams are basically uncuttable with the dead money in 2022 and nobody is going to trade for them on those salaries.
I have no clue whether Gettleman is honorable or not. AFAIK, he has never kicked a dog or swindled a widow. There has been nothing conspicuously honorable about his tenure as GM.
In any case, even if he does what he can to rearrange deck chairs as the ship goes down, he will leave a titanic mess for his successor.
Maybe he is an honorable person, but I don't give a shit.
He's a condescending dumbass who has built a laughably thin roster that is one of the worst in the NFL.
Let him go be honorable in the bleachers watching Cape Cod high school football.
THey are staring down yet ANOTHER 2-3 year overhaul of this team in order to "start over" and build a winner.
Those guys that keep talking about how the 70s were worse are going to get a run for their money by the time the Giants are good again.
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We don't have to hear homers like Ryan and others "arrow pointing up" or "the team really is 2-2 it was the refs" or any such bullshit like that.
I don’t know why “homers” bother you, it s not like their optimism is the reason for the team’s continued losing.
However, to be fair, the team they felt good about did include, Daniel, Barkley, Golladay, Thomas, and Shepherd.
Those players would have helped yesterday.
They're "optimism" I have a sneaking suspicion stems from ego not from anything good in particular. It is people like you who wanted to "move on" from Eli because you wanted to change the channel basically and, cannot admit Jones is basically bush league and so is the rest of this team.
I am still waitin for someone to tell me when a QB in NFL overthrows 3X in one half? I cannot remember a starter in the league doing that. I t like a player commiting 2 errors in one inning in a major league baseball. If it was an established guy then fine; but a minor leaguer would probably get sent down for that.
I am telling you Glennon is going to do this team a big favor by showing that you can basically pick someone off the scrap pile for the NFL minimum wage and get pretty much the same results to Jones. mara and gettleman are banking on you not really noticing that. Or you calling for their jobs once you do notice. However I think so many have drank the Jones kool aid we will continue w/ bad football for years
I'll be honest - I'll watch the highlights, but my schedule just doesn't allow me to watch a whole bunch of other teams' games. So I don't really have a great gage on what other NFL QBs around the league are doing on a weekly basis b/c I don't sit and watch an entire NFL team game for any other team but the Giants.
TO put that into perspective, for the most part - here's a list of QBs that I have seen play every snap of an entire game since 2005:
Eli Manning
Geno Smith
Colt McCoy
Daniel Jones
And I think DG’s hands are tied anyway. There’s no cap space this year or in 2022. Are we worried about him shifting cap into 2023? I guess it’s possible.
i dont know man I heard on BBI David Gettlemen does everything in a bubble... /s
He's right because this organization keeps thinking we are one player away. And what we are left with are marginally good starters and absolutely no depth. We have an injury-prone RB and the best we can do is Devontae Booker? Booker is a nice player, but even a healthy Barkley would be best served with a change of pace #2 RB.