1. Offensive Line
The issue here is not that the Gmen have not tried to address the Oline issues, it is that they have largely been utter failures in identifying talent at the position.
We have thrown a lot of cash at the problem via free agents (Solder) and expended considerable draft picks (Hernandez, Peart), but to a large extent, all have been a disaster outside of Thomas (hopeful Peart comes around).
There have been many example of teams rebuilding their oline in much less time than us (Browns and Chiefs most recently).
2. Oline issues have caused the Gmen to not be able to properly staff other positions.
Having to constantly draft and sign Oline has caused us to be very talent poor at other positions such as ER and LB.
This has led to the defense suffering, which we see this year.
3. Bad interior dline strategy
One thing you can say about the Gmen, they can identify interior dlinemen. The problem is, we don't resign them for various reasons from cap to other. This has forced us to have to dip back into the pool of draft picks to restock the dline or sign dline at the expense of other positions. (Tomlinson, Hill, Joseph, Snacks..not a draft pick, I know)
4. Lack of a willingness to draft/sign proper LB
If you have a good interior line that can take up multiple blocks, how great would it be to have that alpha dog LB that can go sideline to sideline and clean up?
Our history is littered with great LB's, maybe the greatest ever so it mystifies me that we have not had the opportunity (old line we hear on draft meeting need or overdrafting for need) or the willingness to draft a LB.
(Last year, I think Cox would have looked great in blue due to his speed, but of course, he went to the Cowboys).
5. Lack of an ER
This is the team that created the 4 aces package, see above comments on oline and LB.
6. Ownership (maybe)
Not sure if Garret was forced on Judge or not, but if that is the case, we need Mara to no but in on football operations and remove himself completely from daily decisions. Leave it to the football experts.
To truly make this team a winner, we need vision on properly building a team, a GM that values every position and a drastic improvement in our ability to identify talent, which means a drastic improvement in our scouting of LB, Oline and ER.
Not giving up a sack is great, but that is not the only true way to define if your Oline is set for the future. Our line is currently serviceable, which will not win you championships.
We are 5 years into the Oline rebuild and you can argue you need to bring in a RT and 2 guards, maybe even a center (more to do with Gate injury).
We should not need to draft/sign 3 players to start on the Oline so many years into a rebuild.
0 sacks two weeks in a row. But fun game is pathetic
People love sacks. It’s about qb pressures and hurries and not having any semblance of the run game. Sacks are just that. It isn’t indicative of how well the team blocked as a group.
Let's see the ranking for passes out of a clean pocket.
I bet that's lower. I feel like the only game Jones had a consistently clean pocket was last week against New Orleans.
Edge.....no doubt is primary target in 2022.....but so was last year....and pressure was fine
Not sure lack of talent is still a problem...this year.
The biggest issue why this team is losing....are the coaches. They are learning on the job....poor play calling, poor defensive game planning etc
The problem is that they had to keep so many guys in to help Solder, it limited the number offense. Also, the tun blocking consistently stinks.
I agree with you, but the issue I have is we have been saying that for 3 drafts in a row now. We have to keep on drafting Oline, which has hurt us at LB, Dline, ER.
1.Mara has a blind spot when it comes to hiring staff. Having some Giants lineage is vastly over-rated.
2. Being awfully late in the use of analytics. If they were more with it, they wouldn’t make decisions like drafting an RB at #2 or constantly over drafting interior defensive lineman.
3. Poor use of draft capital. The team had an awful OL last year and no ER. They should not have used their #1 on a WR.
Can't stop the run
Do not sack or consistently pressure the QB
Cant sustain error free scoring drives
Can't score TD's in the red zone
don't generate turnovers on D
Cant pass protect, better this year a bit, but still suck
Cant keep star players healthy
This has all been going on, except for a defensive tease in 2016 and last year for a long time now.
Edge.....no doubt is primary target in 2022.....but so was last year....and pressure was fine
Not sure lack of talent is still a problem...this year.
The biggest issue why this team is losing....are the coaches. They are learning on the job....poor play calling, poor defensive game planning etc
George. The starting offensive line was not good. Solder was your starting right tackle. Lemieux is nothing when healthy. Hernandez is an average guard at best. It’s a weak line considering how much we have been asking for change for years.
The edge rushers are not very good. Carter is okay Ojulari is young beyond that nothing. Oshane is bad. He’s a bad football player. I’d give guys like Roche some burn see what he can do maybe he’s a rotational piece. This team lacks talent where it matters along both lines and at linebacker. People can yell at Graham all you want but it’s about winnings 1
V 1 battles and stronger ILB play. Once Blake went down our linebackimg corps was done. Ragland is a nice 2 down player. Crowder may be okay as a backup but he showed he can’t be an every down ILB and definitely not in a 3-4 scheme. Maybe he’s better suited as a weakside backer in a 4-3
This franchise is just F'd up, and perhaps most F'd up because they succeed once in a while. Fassel was like that, on the verge of getting fired, makes the playoffs, makes the Super Bowl. Coughlin is a legend, but he was constantly leading underachieving teams. He was brought in to be a disciplinarian and the team didnt play like that was the case. MacAdoo was just strange, I dont know who gets the blame for that debacle. They hired a loser in Shurmur and a no name in Judge.
All signs are positive. Maybe they could have competed with the Cowboys if not for the injuries, who knows. But they didnt. This team is 1-4 and the season is over on 10/10. The Giants did not know how to use Toney or Golladay the first 3 weeks. That's a problem, because they were all losses, close losses (2 of them). And who knows what's up with the defense's fall off. Is Leonard Williams fat and happy now? This team should be better, but now they are decimated with injuries, so they might as well have not gone on their free agent spending spree.
What a mess.
2. Stop the run
3. Rush the passer
Based on yesterday he's accomplished none of the three goals he set for himself.
I think the idea that we keep whiffing on draft picks, signing ineffective and high priced free agents, and have misused draft capital are all correct with the result being that we can't dedicate cash or draft capital to other positions of need. A couple of posters have already pointed this out.
Gettleman said he would build a team so that he could accomplish the 3 goals above. He hasn't. (and you could include his coaching hires as misfires if you want).
Does anybody really want ANOTHER 4 years of this? Time to turn the page, rinse all this down the sink and start over. DG is not the man.
2. Stop the run
3. Rush the passer
Based on yesterday he's accomplished none of the three goals he set for himself.
I think the idea that we keep whiffing on draft picks, signing ineffective and high priced free agents, and have misused draft capital are all correct with the result being that we can't dedicate cash or draft capital to other positions of need. A couple of posters have already pointed this out.
Gettleman said he would build a team so that he could accomplish the 3 goals above. He hasn't. (and you could include his coaching hires as misfires if you want).
Does anybody really want ANOTHER 4 years of this? Time to turn the page, rinse all this down the sink and start over. DG is not the man.
No worries about Gettleman. He will gracefully (or not so gracefully) “retire” after this abysmal season is over.
The players aren't less talented, the coaching isn't less talented......
it's a system problem
It's the "good guy" ownership mentality. It's things like signing Kyle Rudolph, finding out he needs surgery, and signing him anyway.
It's an inability to look at a guy like Leonard Williams, who was a lazy under achiever on the Jets, and NOT pay him big money. You give a guy like Leonard Williams big money, lose a guy like Tomlinson, and then we all sit here and wonder why the team sucks year after year.
Did anybody have any doubt that a guy like Williams was gonna go lazy after he got his money?
It's an inability of the Giants to realize that their conventional insistence on what an NFL team needs to be is dying.
It's guys like Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes....
It's time for the Giants to stop worrying about players who smoke pot and cutting them the next day, time to stop worrying about guys who tweet "that's gay" and then cutting them the next day.
The Giants FO thinks this is the 1980's. Time for Mara/Tisch to sell the team. They can't do it any longer.
1.Mara has a blind spot when it comes to hiring staff. Having some Giants lineage is vastly over-rated.
2. Being awfully late in the use of analytics. If they were more with it, they wouldn’t make decisions like drafting an RB at #2 or constantly over drafting interior defensive lineman.
3. Poor use of draft capital. The team had an awful OL last year and no ER. They should not have used their #1 on a WR.
I disagree. This team needed a WR and one who is an explosive playmaker. Now whether we should have gone OL later in the draft is up for debate, but at this point, I cannot argue with what we did in the first round. Got a guy who looks like a real difference maker at WR and an extr 1st round pick
I hope some one has stats on pressures D. Jones has faced or the time it takes him to throws the ball. I think we are seeing less sacks is we scheme to throw the ball quickly.
futility
Jones is showing to be a guy who will miss multiple games with injury every year. Last year and now this year, those injuries have resulted from using him as a runner (or him deciding that, down one score in the first half in the red zone, he should use his head as a battering ram to try and muscle thru 2 LBs and into the endzone). Bad playcall, even worse in-the-moment decision.
Barkley has been almost constantly injured since 2019. Shepard is always injured. Engram always injured and/or bad. Slayton showing to have injury issues..
So what do the Giants do? Go out and sign oft-injured Golladay to big $$ and overpay an injured and cooked Rudolph at TE.
Just mind-bogglingly bad decision-making and roster building.
Overpaying a mercurial group of FAs to mitigate their bad drafting kind of worked in 2016. But its been an abject disaster in 2021.