How long will this guy's career last doing that? I respect the tough guy thing, and it's one of the things I like about Daniel Jones, but that image of him getting clocked last night - will not leave my brain. I keep seeing it over and over again. I can't help but think there's got to be an element of self preservation in the QB plan, or that his career is going to be shortened for him.
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it's a QB doing everything he can and more to keep his team in the game. I agree it's not what you want to see your QB doing but that's 100% on the coaches for putting him in that position.
This is correct. I blame the playcall 100%, not the player. Why go wide on a bootleg when you're that close? Just sneak the damn ball straight ahead
The player put his head down into a defender and got his bell rung. I think the player has something to do with it. Somehow Lamar, Brady, etc know how to avoid danger - not Danny Dimes.
It's hilarious the mental gymnastics you guys that don't like Jones come up with
It's hilarious the mental gymnastics you guys that don't like Jones come up with
Another bone-headed Jones play and he got his bell rung this time. We are always making excuses for this guy. One day his name will be a trivia answer - nothing more.
But look, that play isn’t designed for Jones to roll out and then run through two defenders into the end zone. Dallas sniffed out the naked bootleg and when that happened Jones assignment is to throw the ball away. Or slide. But instead he tried to beat the defenders to the pylon and he didn’t make it. That’s a really poor decision by Jones which led to the worst possible outcome. Even handing the ball to a Cowboy and inviting him to run the ball 100 yards to the other end zone would have been a better decision and a better outcome. At least we’d still have our QB1 for another series of plays.
And by the way, there’s a reason Garrett doesn’t call for a pass down there and that reason is that he doesn’t trust Jones decision making.
Jones’ clock is off - that’s why the “poor pocket presence” (which often leads to his fumbles), his taking big hits just before he slides or just before he goes out of bounds(which has led to his injuries), the “burping the baby” and forcing plays to receivers that he sees are covered. It’s the same thing we’ve been worried about since reading his scouting reports from Duke.
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He's fighting for his team and he doesn't want to settle for a FG. Are you seriously going to tell me Jackson, Goff, Mahomes, Allen, Wilson, Dak, etc have never dove headfirst for a TD with defenders in their way?
It's hilarious the mental gymnastics you guys that don't like Jones come up with
Another bone-headed Jones play and he got his bell rung this time. We are always making excuses for this guy. One day his name will be a trivia answer - nothing more.
I love how you always move the goal posts. You stated that other QBs don't do what Jones did yesterday trying to score a TD. I then gave you a list of QBs and asked if they have ever went in for a TD headfirst with defenders in front of them. Instead of answering that and being honest that your post was a BS one trying to slam Jones, you come back with this nonsense.
Your act is a tired one
The NFL has put in a ton of rules to protect a QB but they can't stop what happened yesterday if that is what Jones is going to do. Run the ball better with your OL and RBs if you don't want your QB hurt.
The nonsense that goes on in the red zone with this team is becoming untenable.
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Again, sure, the call was a head scratcher. How many times on Sunday do we see teams spread out the defense on the goal line? QB sneak? Or even just line up and hand the ball off to the RB2 which is of course exactly what worked.
But look, that play isn’t designed for Jones to roll out and then run through two defenders into the end zone. Dallas sniffed out the naked bootleg and when that happened Jones assignment is to throw the ball away. Or slide. But instead he tried to beat the defenders to the pylon and he didn’t make it. That’s a really poor decision by Jones which led to the worst possible outcome. Even handing the ball to a Cowboy and inviting him to run the ball 100 yards to the other end zone would have been a better decision and a better outcome. At least we’d still have our QB1 for another series of plays.
And by the way, there’s a reason Garrett doesn’t call for a pass down there and that reason is that he doesn’t trust Jones decision making.
Jones’ clock is off - that’s why the “poor pocket presence” (which often leads to his fumbles), his taking big hits just before he slides or just before he goes out of bounds(which has led to his injuries), the “burping the baby” and forcing plays to receivers that he sees are covered. It’s the same thing we’ve been worried about since reading his scouting reports from Duke.
WTF? How many fumbles has he had this season? How many Ints? One of the things he has been praised for this season is his pocket presence. Hell, he only has been sacked twice in 5 games with a makeshift line and no running game, so how do you arrive at this illogical opinion? And how do you come up with the absurd "Garrett doesn't trust Jones decision making" take? LOL
face it montana - you are addicted to Jones. Is he your baby brother? The offense sucks and he's the QB. It will soon be time to move on, even if you Jones cultists cry every step of the way.
Absolutely it is Cosmic. It's the Monday game of "Let me see, how can I somehow twist that game into a way to slam Jones because I have to keep pushing that agenda on a football message board"
The NFL has put in a ton of rules to protect a QB but they can't stop what happened yesterday if that is what Jones is going to do. Run the ball better with your OL and RBs if you don't want your QB hurt.
The nonsense that goes on in the red zone with this team is becoming untenable.
yes luck is a factor, but some QBs are just better at avoiding injury as well. it's actually part of the job.
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Again, sure, the call was a head scratcher. How many times on Sunday do we see teams spread out the defense on the goal line? QB sneak? Or even just line up and hand the ball off to the RB2 which is of course exactly what worked.
But look, that play isn’t designed for Jones to roll out and then run through two defenders into the end zone. Dallas sniffed out the naked bootleg and when that happened Jones assignment is to throw the ball away. Or slide. But instead he tried to beat the defenders to the pylon and he didn’t make it. That’s a really poor decision by Jones which led to the worst possible outcome. Even handing the ball to a Cowboy and inviting him to run the ball 100 yards to the other end zone would have been a better decision and a better outcome. At least we’d still have our QB1 for another series of plays.
And by the way, there’s a reason Garrett doesn’t call for a pass down there and that reason is that he doesn’t trust Jones decision making.
Jones’ clock is off - that’s why the “poor pocket presence” (which often leads to his fumbles), his taking big hits just before he slides or just before he goes out of bounds(which has led to his injuries), the “burping the baby” and forcing plays to receivers that he sees are covered. It’s the same thing we’ve been worried about since reading his scouting reports from Duke.
WTF? How many fumbles has he had this season? How many Ints? One of the things he has been praised for this season is his pocket presence. Hell, he only has been sacked twice in 5 games with a makeshift line and no running game, so how do you arrive at this illogical opinion? And how do you come up with the absurd "Garrett doesn't trust Jones decision making" take? LOL
face it montana - you are addicted to Jones. Is he your baby brother? The offense sucks and he's the QB. It will soon be time to move on, even if you Jones cultists cry every step of the way.
Once again you're moving the goalposts from what you first claimed. Now you're trying to throw a bunch of smoke into the discussion instead of being an adult and admitting your first post was idiotic and that you were wrong.
Thank you for proving me correct
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this is Monday morning QBing. Jones was trying his best to score in a fast moving live action game and there was a helmet to helmet. Football is a violent sport.
Absolutely it is Cosmic. It's the Monday game of "Let me see, how can I somehow twist that game into a way to slam Jones because I have to keep pushing that agenda on a football message board"
Why do you hate the Giants? Why do you love Jones more than the Giants? Don't you think we deserve an offense that can score more than 18 points a game? Is that your plan for us in 2021? I think it is obvious you are a Jones troll and that you have an agenda.
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get hurt at some point. The ones that don't are actually just lucky when it comes down to it.
The NFL has put in a ton of rules to protect a QB but they can't stop what happened yesterday if that is what Jones is going to do. Run the ball better with your OL and RBs if you don't want your QB hurt.
The nonsense that goes on in the red zone with this team is becoming untenable.
yes luck is a factor, but some QBs are just better at avoiding injury as well. it's actually part of the job.
Because they don't dive into the endzone with defenders in front them right?? LOL
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get hurt at some point. The ones that don't are actually just lucky when it comes down to it.
The NFL has put in a ton of rules to protect a QB but they can't stop what happened yesterday if that is what Jones is going to do. Run the ball better with your OL and RBs if you don't want your QB hurt.
The nonsense that goes on in the red zone with this team is becoming untenable.
yes luck is a factor, but some QBs are just better at avoiding injury as well. it's actually part of the job.
Agree, but those guys get hurt too. Just a matter of time with almost every single one.
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this is Monday morning QBing. Jones was trying his best to score in a fast moving live action game and there was a helmet to helmet. Football is a violent sport.
Absolutely it is Cosmic. It's the Monday game of "Let me see, how can I somehow twist that game into a way to slam Jones because I have to keep pushing that agenda on a football message board"
Why do you hate the Giants? Why do you love Jones more than the Giants? Don't you think we deserve an offense that can score more than 18 points a game? Is that your plan for us in 2021? I think it is obvious you are a Jones troll and that you have an agenda.
LMAO...3rd post in a row with you flailing around trying to hide the fact that your initial post was one of the most idiotic attempts at slamming a player trying to help his team win.. You're making Monday much more enjoyable
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get hurt at some point. The ones that don't are actually just lucky when it comes down to it.
The NFL has put in a ton of rules to protect a QB but they can't stop what happened yesterday if that is what Jones is going to do. Run the ball better with your OL and RBs if you don't want your QB hurt.
The nonsense that goes on in the red zone with this team is becoming untenable.
yes luck is a factor, but some QBs are just better at avoiding injury as well. it's actually part of the job.
Agree, but those guys get hurt too. Just a matter of time with almost every single one.
Lamar runs with incredible regularity and it seems they can't touch him. Jones barrels once into the end zone and gets his clock cleaned.
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this is Monday morning QBing. Jones was trying his best to score in a fast moving live action game and there was a helmet to helmet. Football is a violent sport.
Absolutely it is Cosmic. It's the Monday game of "Let me see, how can I somehow twist that game into a way to slam Jones because I have to keep pushing that agenda on a football message board"
Why do you hate the Giants? Why do you love Jones more than the Giants? Don't you think we deserve an offense that can score more than 18 points a game? Is that your plan for us in 2021? I think it is obvious you are a Jones troll and that you have an agenda.
LMAO...3rd post in a row with you flailing around trying to hide the fact that your initial post was one of the most idiotic attempts at slamming a player trying to help his team win.. You're making Monday much more enjoyable
I'm just done with this guy. We have a backup as our starting QB. It's making the rebuild impossible. Sorry you don't see it. It's nothing personal.
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Again, sure, the call was a head scratcher. How many times on Sunday do we see teams spread out the defense on the goal line? QB sneak? Or even just line up and hand the ball off to the RB2 which is of course exactly what worked.
But look, that play isn’t designed for Jones to roll out and then run through two defenders into the end zone. Dallas sniffed out the naked bootleg and when that happened Jones assignment is to throw the ball away. Or slide. But instead he tried to beat the defenders to the pylon and he didn’t make it. That’s a really poor decision by Jones which led to the worst possible outcome. Even handing the ball to a Cowboy and inviting him to run the ball 100 yards to the other end zone would have been a better decision and a better outcome. At least we’d still have our QB1 for another series of plays.
And by the way, there’s a reason Garrett doesn’t call for a pass down there and that reason is that he doesn’t trust Jones decision making.
Jones’ clock is off - that’s why the “poor pocket presence” (which often leads to his fumbles), his taking big hits just before he slides or just before he goes out of bounds(which has led to his injuries), the “burping the baby” and forcing plays to receivers that he sees are covered. It’s the same thing we’ve been worried about since reading his scouting reports from Duke.
WTF? How many fumbles has he had this season? How many Ints? One of the things he has been praised for this season is his pocket presence. Hell, he only has been sacked twice in 5 games with a makeshift line and no running game, so how do you arrive at this illogical opinion? And how do you come up with the absurd "Garrett doesn't trust Jones decision making" take? LOL
Glad your laughing today Montana. Hey, how’s Jones production been in the red-zone this season? And sure, he hasn’t been fumbling or throwing picks, but he hasn’t been winning either. Your tuning in to watch a QB not fumble and not throw picks? You must be loving this season!
Me? Yeah, wtf do I see? Another lousy season. But hey, let’s not blame Jones for having the same problems he’s always had. Kid has spirit! He can make all the throws! Probably just needs a new O-co, some better linemen and a new TE and a better defense and new kicker and a new punter and a new equipment manager. Then he’s gonna be great!
Anyway, I’ll let you get back to your LOLs.
Those dolts should apologize to Jones for their football misconduct and be fined for incompetence.
I have NO problem with Jones selling out. I admired it.
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
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get hurt at some point. The ones that don't are actually just lucky when it comes down to it.
The NFL has put in a ton of rules to protect a QB but they can't stop what happened yesterday if that is what Jones is going to do. Run the ball better with your OL and RBs if you don't want your QB hurt.
The nonsense that goes on in the red zone with this team is becoming untenable.
yes luck is a factor, but some QBs are just better at avoiding injury as well. it's actually part of the job.
Agree, but those guys get hurt too. Just a matter of time with almost every single one.
Lamar runs with incredible regularity and it seems they can't touch him. Jones barrels once into the end zone and gets his clock cleaned.
Yes, LJ has enough moves that he can often avoid clean direct hits on himself. But he has gotten hurt as well, and I said "almost" every single one does.
It's really hard NOT to root for this kid.
BUT the reality of the situation is growing into a problem really hard to ignore with a big decision on him looming in the very near future.
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
Holy shit you can't make this shit up: Here's a thread about Josh Allen and our decision to draft Barkley. Look who comes into that thread and his very first post is an attempt to slam Daniel Jones just after he claims it's not personal. I love the fact that you can't delete a post on a thread
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considered a reach by Buffalo. They were right, good for them.
What nobody mentions is that the correct choice was not someone other than Barkley, it was trading down. There were (and are) too many holes on this team to waste a top 2 pick on an RB. But Gettleman had to have his shiny object.
Allen was not considered a reach at #7. I don't know what you are remembering. He was in the top-10 mix the whole time.
Daniel Jones at #6 - now that was a reach.
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LMAO (there's another one for you)...Holy shit, you can't even be honest with yourself.
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
Holy shit you can't make this shit up: Here's a thread about Josh Allen and our decision to draft Barkley. Look who comes into that thread and his very first post is an attempt to slam Daniel Jones just after he claims it's not personal. I love the fact that you can't delete a post on a thread
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RE: Josh Allen had serious problems with accuracy and was
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considered a reach by Buffalo. They were right, good for them.
What nobody mentions is that the correct choice was not someone other than Barkley, it was trading down. There were (and are) too many holes on this team to waste a top 2 pick on an RB. But Gettleman had to have his shiny object.
Allen was not considered a reach at #7. I don't know what you are remembering. He was in the top-10 mix the whole time.
Daniel Jones at #6 - now that was a reach.
all true. he was a reach at #6. Not many would argue with it.
Just a total joke...
How Not to Block - ( New Window )
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
If he's trolling then it's working because you keep replying
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LMAO (there's another one for you)...Holy shit, you can't even be honest with yourself.
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
If he's trolling then it's working because you keep replying
Aww...You switched dupes...How cute!
You ask DJ to run a bootleg, he's going to do it with an emphasis on scoring - so it's really hard to criticize him. Especially on 3rd and goal from the one.
He can't slide there, lol, c'mon already.
The only other thing he could have done there is try to cut back and maybe the hit would not be as brutal.
I know get on JG but it's also hard to blame him here, but that particular play call was probably better on 1st down.
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LMAO (there's another one for you)...Holy shit, you can't even be honest with yourself.
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
If he's trolling then it's working because you keep replying
Aww...You switched dupes...How cute!
Lol ok bro. This is my only handle here, but keep tilting at those windmills.
I have never seen a QB slide at the 1 yard line
2) That said, his leading with his head and shoulders is likely why no flag was thrown for helmet to helmet. Not that a flag would have made up for the injury.
3) That was a bad looking concussion. He is likely to miss significant time. And when he comes back, the threat of another concussion is likely to limit his running, at least by design. We saw how effective (or rather ineffective) he was last year when running was not an option. This has potentially long lasting effects on his season.
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LMAO (there's another one for you)...Holy shit, you can't even be honest with yourself.
That is all it is with you. You literally come on here and run to every single Jones thread with the single-minded attempt to trash him. It is virtually all you post on here. You run off into a thread here or there to make it look like that's not the case but everyone on this board knows it is. You even hijack other threads discussing some other aspect regarding the team by trying to direct the discussion to how bad you think Jones is.
You're either just a troll or someone who feels an unnatural desire to be proven right on football message board. Either way you need some serious help
If he's trolling then it's working because you keep replying
Aww...You switched dupes...How cute!
Lol ok bro. This is my only handle here, but keep tilting at those windmills.
Will do bro!
How would he do that?
His only other option was to try and cut back, which would have probably lost him yardage.
When you call that play on 3rd and 1 from the 1, you are expecting your QB to go balls out. Otherwise, don't call it.
But I’ll say it - it was a good call by Garrett. You have to expect the blocking to be say, at least bad rather than nonexistent, and then Jones would have reached the pylon uninjured. At some point, players like Rudolph and that other putz need to do their jobs minimally.
It makes me angry. I wonder if a coach like Parcells would just cut the backup OL putz today as a message.
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Without lowering your head into the defender. Not a hard concept
How would he do that?
His only other option was to try and cut back, which would have probably lost him yardage.
When you call that play on 3rd and 1 from the 1, you are expecting your QB to go balls out. Otherwise, don't call it.
By lowering his shoulder not his head? He also could have thrown it away since he was out of the pocket and was clear the odds of scoring were slim. He has to be smarter there.
I called for him to run more, and I'll say that as long as he's the starter. I also said to coach him on when to slide, when to get out of bounds, and how to avoid the contact he took yesterday. They clearly haven't.
Knowing their reactionary nature I'm guessing Jones's days a running threat are largely over.
As a big Lamar Jackson fan, surely you must see there is more to being a runner than straight line speed. The magic to Lamar's ground game is that he's got a ball carrier's awareness in that he knows where the contact is coming from and avoids taking shots. No one gets a clean hit on him. Robert Griffin and Wentz are examples of guys who have wheels but always somehow manage to get blasted every time they carry the ball.
With Jones it's not just awareness, it's also lateral agility and his frame. He looks OK in a read option running straight up the field on the take, but as someone mentioned above, he has the "elusiveness of a dump truck." He also doesn't have the size of a Cam Newton or Josh Allen where he can hold up physically to hits. Running him parallel to the line of scrimmage is not playing to his strengths at best and endangering his health at worst.
Running QBs usually go one of two ways in time: out of the NFL or they develop their pocket game so they don't need to run to be most effective. Lamar Jackson could be the exception because of his aforementioned elusiveness and awareness. Jones' path is the pocket game, which was looking much better this season. You can't teach what makes Lamar Jackson special as a runner.
I had the exact injury Barkley has and if he is back in 4 weeks or less its a miracle
His ligaments were obviously bleeding. they can drain it and tape him up but that could make it chronic
As a runner though, Jones could be more like Mahomes or Wilson...guys who know how to slide and get out of bounds.
If the goal is to turn Jones into a pure pocket passer, that's never going to work.
Glennon he said is noted for being a smooth operator and extremely accurate passer
we know what Danny Jones can do, and he does not seem as relaxed out there as Glennon
I doubt Jones plays this coming week. It will be interesting to see what Glennon can do with a full week of practice
Both are good QBs but if Glennon can pull off an upset we will have a QB competition for sure. Not an awful thing to have two good QBs
I would love to see Gettleman bring in another RB off someones practice squad also...not to mention some lineman
We are not rotating lineman on either side of the ball enough
and these guys are getting gassed
But I’ll say it - it was a good call by Garrett. You have to expect the blocking to be say, at least bad rather than nonexistent, and then Jones would have reached the pylon uninjured. At some point, players like Rudolph and that other putz need to do their jobs minimally.
It makes me angry. I wonder if a coach like Parcells would just cut the backup OL putz today as a message.
I noted this play earlier and even linked the video. Rudolph and Wes Martin (the G in on the play) should be forced to apologize to Jones for their incompetent efforts to block on the play. Completely embarrassing.
I would seriously consider cutting both today.
I have a feeling that this run was something that Jones was naturally proud of, something that got his teammates hyped and give him compliments for. I could easily see that play have a role in Jones’ aggressiveness on the play yesterday and possibly the coaching staff’s decision making.
He’s not Cam Newton. Even Cam Newton got banged up so much that he doesn’t have an NFL arm anymore.
Jones and the coaches need to be selective with their play-calling. He has grown as a passer and he can still run but the team has to protect him more.
But if the Giants went around cutting players every time they didn't display competent football, they would have a hard time suiting up enough guys to play each week.
As a runner though, Jones could be more like Mahomes or Wilson...guys who know how to slide and get out of bounds.
If the goal is to turn Jones into a pure pocket passer, that's never going to work.
I can see a Mahommes like number of rushes being the sweet spot, 3 - 4 a game tops. I agree that he doesn't need to be a statue back there, but he was on pace for substantially more rushes this season through 4.5 games (I think 100+).