How long will this guy's career last doing that? I respect the tough guy thing, and it's one of the things I like about Daniel Jones, but that image of him getting clocked last night - will not leave my brain. I keep seeing it over and over again. I can't help but think there's got to be an element of self preservation in the QB plan, or that his career is going to be shortened for him.
The only way he is effective as a runner is with acres of space to get up to speed. He is simply not going to make anybody miss in the open field, so the only option for him to win a one on one is to run somebody over. And like you say: that's not going to last.
That is why I think a lot of fans are way of base when they say they want Jones to run more. It's just a catastrophy waiting to happen.
But this is the dilemma for running QBs.
The only way he is effective as a runner is with acres of space to get up to speed. He is simply not going to make anybody miss in the open field, so the only option for him to win a one on one is to run somebody over. And like you say: that's not going to last.
That is why I think a lot of fans are way of base when they say they want Jones to run more. It's just a catastrophy waiting to happen.
I guess you missed the two point conversion last week.
A run/pass option should have been a call....someone needed to be in back if endzone.
Can't blame the kid....trying to make a play....
The only way he is effective as a runner is with acres of space to get up to speed. He is simply not going to make anybody miss in the open field, so the only option for him to win a one on one is to run somebody over. And like you say: that's not going to last.
That is why I think a lot of fans are way of base when they say they want Jones to run more. It's just a catastrophy waiting to happen.
I don’t want him running just to run. I want designed runs that take advantage of what the defense is giving. I’m not asking him to break tackles, I’m asking for 6/7ypc in selective scenarios. And this play all isn’t one that exemplifies what I’m talking about, which is why it was a terrible call. Sneak, 4 straight RB runs, a play action, so many options other than what Garrett went with.
It wasn't a bad play call. It was an excellent play by the defense.
It was not the right call against a team with fast linebackers.
How about we actually fix the offensive line so he doesn't have to run around so much and we don't rely on designed QB runs for an actual running game.
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Regarding thinking of Jones as a running QB (like many fans, and maybe also the Giants' organization do) is that the guy is about as shifty as a dump truck.
The only way he is effective as a runner is with acres of space to get up to speed. He is simply not going to make anybody miss in the open field, so the only option for him to win a one on one is to run somebody over. And like you say: that's not going to last.
That is why I think a lot of fans are way of base when they say they want Jones to run more. It's just a catastrophy waiting to happen.
I guess you missed the two point conversion last week.
What are you talking about? The two point conversion actually proves my point. He can't make a guy miss so he has to run him over. One week it succeeded, the next week he got his head caved in. That's not a winning formula for a supposed franchise QB.
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it’s part of what makes up his good traits. Really bad play call but he tried making the most of it. He won’t be as effective a passer without running (had nothing to do with this play specifically, but in general) and running leads to injuries. It’s a conundrum for sure but constantly being injured is something we’d want to know either way prior to any thoughts of extending.
It wasn't a bad play call. It was an excellent play by the defense.
This. I thought it was the a good call. Give DAL credit, they were ready for it.
He only got touched at the goal line after going straight up the middle.
The play was busted. I get wanting to make a play but getting concussed and missing weeks isn't what's best for the team. It's not a question of toughness. He can't help the team from the sideline.
Because it's not cool to see a guy get his bell rung like that and all the implications that may have on his current and future well being. It's not that hard to understand.
People on here that may want to move on from Jones don't cheer for him to fucking die, if that is what you mean to imply.
Probably both.
And go watch Rudolph and his block OR his lack of finishing his block. He lets his guy go after 2 seconds. Half ass effort and should be highlighted that HE let down his QB. DJ makes the corner on the 1:1 if the block is better.
Yup, this is exactly where I'm at. The 2 defenders being ready for it pretty much showcase why it was a dumb call.
yeah -- I'm over that. Should have left it after the New Orleans game. They believe in hexes and hex breakers down there. But the call from some buds was to keep it going.
Mike - no sacks two weeks in a row. The loss of AT yesterday was huge, although it got Peart in the game. I think the line is close to being functional. Really did not see much pressure up the middle. It all seemed to come from Solder's side.
The run blocking is still meh - I agree.
But this is the dilemma for running QBs.
They have been but don't expect anyone to admit that now. I think people are seeing how Lamar Jackson hasnt gotten hurt yet so Jones needs to run as often. Theres exactly one Lamar Jackson though.
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plays full out. How many BBIers were screaming to have him run more often?
But this is the dilemma for running QBs.
They have been but don't expect anyone to admit that now. I think people are seeing how Lamar Jackson hasnt gotten hurt yet so Jones needs to run as often. Theres exactly one Lamar Jackson though.
Exactly.
Back to the play- this is all on the coaches. You have a mixed up, third level OL out there so you decide to go bunch, heavy run formation. You now have one of the WORST fucking blocking TE's in the league as your lead blocker on the second down run (after getting stopped on first down up the middle)- boom stopped. You get inside the red zone, deep inside and run twice with blocking that just isn;t going to get it done. Then the third down call...
Looking at it again I still think the play was designed for Jones to throw to Rudolph (look at the play again) but, Rudolph couldn't block and then disengage and the outside guys converged on Jones who had no choice but to run to the pylon. Either way, you ran three straight plays in basically the same formation.
I am losing faith in Judge every game (win or lose) with his lack of guts, his weird old school mentality and what appears to be a true lack of overall purpose- what are we striving to be as a team? Are we agressive or passive. Are we physical for finesse and what the hell are we trying to set up from one series to the next.
yup. They both run therefore they are exactly the same. BBI Logic.