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A few off-season miscalculations

bigblue12 : 10/11/2021 9:39 am
Kenny Golladay 4 years @$18/year
Adoree Jackson 3 years @$13/year


Alternate options that would have helped this team (in my opinion):

Yannick Ngakoue 2 years @13/year
Matt Judon 4 years @$13.625/year
Carl Lawson 3 years @15/year (I get that he got hurt)

Even to a lesser extent, Charles Leno and Morgan Moses are both performing pretty well this year and got one year contracts for $4 and $3 million respectively.

This team has little to no pass rush and there were opportunities to improve, but they spent their capital elsewhere. So far, it looks like a gross miscalculation .
Why work on the line of scrimmage  
M.S. : 10/11/2021 9:40 am : link

When we can throw money at positions that depend upon the line of scrimmage?
Dalvin Tomlinson  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/11/2021 9:44 am : link
2 year 21 million
The major issue  
Biteymax22 : 10/11/2021 9:45 am : link
Is we've seemed to have some of these every year since Gettleman came on. You'll never bat .1000 as a GM but you have to have way more hits than you do misses.
Tomlinson was a big loss apparently  
AnnapolisMike : 10/11/2021 9:48 am : link
The Giants have been devastated by injury.

The OL and lack of any decent depth is killing the offense. The defense is just not playing well...and none of us really saw that coming.
Last week, Golladay was worth every penny  
stoneman : 10/11/2021 9:51 am : link
this week (after a bad loss), a bad signing. It's still early, we'll see.
way too early but  
Giantsfan79 : 10/11/2021 9:53 am : link
I think I'm seeing some things in Jackson that help me understand why the Titans suddenly cut him.

It's way to early on Golladay. Seeing him as part of a productive fully healthy line-up would be nice before declaring him a bust. Plus he's made some key blocks this season.
RE: The major issue  
Dave in PA : 10/11/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15408099 Biteymax22 said:
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Is we've seemed to have some of these every year since Gettleman came on. You'll never bat .1000 as a GM but you have to have way more hits than you do misses.
Gettleman is pretty close to batting .100
This team needed Edge and OL  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2021 9:55 am : link
and addressed neither. Pretty simple.
Golladay was a good acquisition  
BillT : 10/11/2021 9:57 am : link
Easy to forget a WR corps consisting of Shepard and Slayton as our #1 and #2. And the mistakes in building the OL took place in 2018 and 2019 when we drafted a total of 1 OL in those two years combined. Unbelievable.
Golladay is a good player  
bigblue12 : 10/11/2021 9:57 am : link
and I’m happy to have him on the team, but this team needed an edge and line help. WR is a luxury item in my opinion
I think it's hard to label 2+ year contracts miscalculations  
AJ23 : 10/11/2021 9:57 am : link
Until more than halfway through the first season. We've seen a lot of players take time to adjust to playing with the team.

Not excusing DG or Judge, but this league is so tight that moments can turn perspective on its head. Just like close wins and losses, if Jackson makes that INT in Atlanta he may be in a "bright spots" thread at this point. If Golladay doesn't tweak a muscle and has more time to prepare for the start of the year, we may be pining for his return from this latest injury as our #1 impact guy.

I'm all for jumping on Jackson and Golladay if they keep going down this path, but we're a quarter through the season. I know BBI doesn't want to hear that today, but it's the shitty reality we live in.
RE: RE: The major issue  
Sec 103 : 10/11/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15408126 Dave in PA said:
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In comment 15408099 Biteymax22 said:


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Is we've seemed to have some of these every year since Gettleman came on. You'll never bat .1000 as a GM but you have to have way more hits than you do misses.

Gettleman is pretty close to batting .100


LOL, those pesky decimals.
A FEW?!  
Spider43 : 10/11/2021 9:59 am : link
This is Getts' specialty. He's got boatloads over the years. Get rid of him already, yesterday.
Also I think people are overrating our CB struggles  
AJ23 : 10/11/2021 9:59 am : link
and underrating our S struggles. Love has been awful and McKinney not much better. Putting the L in help defense.
RE: Last week, Golladay was worth every penny  
Section331 : 10/11/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15408116 stoneman said:
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this week (after a bad loss), a bad signing. It's still early, we'll see.


The knock on him was his reliability, he missed 17 games in 4 years in Detroit. That said, once Robinson re-upped in Chicago, the pickings were pretty slim.
Golly's injuries  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 10/11/2021 10:06 am : link
There was a considerable amount of debate here that he was injury prone and DG should be wary of shelling out big, desperate dollars. Look over his career and you will see as much.

RE: Why work on the line of scrimmage  
DannyDimes : 10/11/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15408084 M.S. said:
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When we can throw money at positions that depend upon the line of scrimmage?


Stupid. The Giants have spent all kinds of resources on the line. Has it worked? No but to say they haven't "worked on the o-line" is childishly dumb....
RE: Last week, Golladay was worth every penny  
DannyDimes : 10/11/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15408116 stoneman said:
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this week (after a bad loss), a bad signing. It's still early, we'll see.


Every Giants fan knew this off-season we need to improve the WR corps. I'm totally fine with the Golladay signing...
I'd suggest the miscalculations  
JonC : 10/11/2021 10:41 am : link
continue to be self-scouting and realizing how far from winning this roster continues to be. These pricey UFA additions should be finishing touches, and I'd agree they're still choices with known warts and risk, especially Jackson when your front seven needs help.

If you're willing to pay top of the market dollars for Soldier, Adoree, and KG because you're desperate, you're most likely doomed to fail when the ink on the contract dries.

Yes, the failure of self-scouting  
cosmicj : 10/11/2021 11:00 am : link
Judge’s sparing use of starters in preseason implies that the team thought the starting lineup was cohesive and ready to perform for a contending team.

Is that a sound logical step?

If so, the coaches and front office must be absolutely reeling from what’s happened.
RE: Tomlinson was a big loss apparently  
Toth029 : 10/11/2021 11:01 am : link
In comment 15408109 AnnapolisMike said:
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The Giants have been devastated by injury.

The OL and lack of any decent depth is killing the offense. The defense is just not playing well...and none of us really saw that coming.


If Tomlinson was a big loss, you'd figure his impact wouldn't allow the Vikings run defense to be bottom of the league.
RE: RE: Why work on the line of scrimmage  
BillT : 10/11/2021 11:03 am : link
In comment 15408227 DannyDimes said:
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When we can throw money at positions that depend upon the line of scrimmage?



Stupid. The Giants have spent all kinds of resources on the line. Has it worked? No but to say they haven't "worked on the o-line" is childishly dumb....

Yes, but when. In 2018/2019 combined they spent one draft choice and signed one FA. That’s it. Then, playing catch-up they drafted three in 2020 and then none again in 2021. The results are one good LT and….? Building an OL requires players and time. Basically ignoring the OL until 2020, playing catch-up and then ignoring it again is, as you put it, childishly dumb.
Run defense issues  
JonC : 10/11/2021 11:03 am : link
are more about the weak LBs and backup caliber NTs they're rolling out there.
Toth  
cosmicj : 10/11/2021 11:03 am : link
that’s a bit glib. What if the rest of the Vikings line is underperforming? What if Tomlinson fits well into the Giants scheme but doesn’t in the Vikings?

Contract-year-itis may have something to do with it, except that Tomlinson was playing well in 2019 also.

This just looks like a lose-lose-lose situation: every party in the Vikings signing has lost.
Here's what I don't understand  
give66 : 10/11/2021 11:09 am : link
You're paying Shepard 10mm per year and draft another slot KT in the first round. Where is KT supposed to play? Seems like a poor plan to draft another slot guy while paying another 10mm. It's a redundant wasteful allocation of resources.
RE: Here's what I don't understand  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/11/2021 11:11 am : link
In comment 15408333 give66 said:
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You're paying Shepard 10mm per year and draft another slot KT in the first round. Where is KT supposed to play? Seems like a poor plan to draft another slot guy while paying another 10mm. It's a redundant wasteful allocation of resources.


Nothing wrong with drafting KT and giving him the job when you move on from Shepard. Better a year early then scrambling to find a receiver you hope to be as good.
RE: RE: Here's what I don't understand  
give66 : 10/11/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15408335 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15408333 give66 said:


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You're paying Shepard 10mm per year and draft another slot KT in the first round. Where is KT supposed to play? Seems like a poor plan to draft another slot guy while paying another 10mm. It's a redundant wasteful allocation of resources.



Nothing wrong with drafting KT and giving him the job when you move on from Shepard. Better a year early then scrambling to find a receiver you hope to be as good.

I disagree. Big waste of resource$. Can't afford in this league to waste 10mm or redshirting a first-round receiver.
But they waste tons of money. Toney at least is an asset.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/11/2021 11:37 am : link
And shepard gets hurt. That's why Toney is playing now. They can move on from Shepard now if they want to. I don't view this as a waste. Kyle Rudolph was a waste. Paying logan ryan looks like a waste. Countless wastes of money on the Giants under DG but drafting Toney wasn't. You can argue they should have taken a different player, and I'm here for that conversation too. They should have taken Slater.
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