I'm willing to excuse Dex because he gets consistent double teams and holds. I am much harder on williams for what he's being paid vs. what he's producing. It's not working.
and see if they're effectively eating double teams, are they pushing the pocket back on the QB, etc. Those positions in a 3-4 aren't typically big stat producers, they're doing the dirty work to free up the LBs. The bigger problem is the LBs are weak and ineffective, we've got backups at three positions and a rookie.
and see if they're effectively eating double teams, are they pushing the pocket back on the QB, etc. Those positions in a 3-4 aren't typically big stat producers, they're doing the dirty work to free up the LBs. The bigger problem is the LBs are weak and ineffective, we've got backups at three positions and a rookie.
The way we've allocated capital on our defense, we need them to be stat producers.
but we need him to be more than that to live up to that absurd contract.
Man, LW and his agent took Gettleman to the woodshed. They were playing chess and Gettleman was playing checkers.
I thought Lawrence played very well against the Saints. But when you aggregate all of his work, I'm thinking he hasn't lived up to his billing as the 17th pick.
If Jones is not the solution at QB, that 2019 draft is the Chernobyl of NFL drafts.
are exactly the reason you don't spend high $ or high draft capital on them. Yet our lovely GM loves to waste money and high draft capital on 2-down interior lineman.
Personally I think they need to transition to a 4-3
They played a number of snaps in that alignment against Dallas and seemed to be more effective stopping the run and rushing out of those sets. Shelton needs to be benched he has been useless
I thought people would learn by now that sacks aren't what defines a DL, much less a 3-4 DL. And even under those circumstances, each front is different. Some are more oriented to pass rush, others are more geared toward stopping the run.
Leonard Williams may not touch his sack number again, but if his pressure rate is there, why so much crying? I think he's still getting in the backfield, it's mostly a feeling of guys like Ojulari, Carter and Ximines who aren't getting their guy beat consistently.
As for Dex, I look at his draft selection to this. Look at what Christian Wilkins and Ed Oliver have done so far in their careers. They were in the same class and "value" as Lawrence. I feel Dex has been much better than both.
but we need him to be more than that to live up to that absurd contract.
Man, LW and his agent took Gettleman to the woodshed. They were playing chess and Gettleman was playing checkers.
In reality they didn't even really have to try very hard since Gettleman put himself in a terrible position by trading for Williams in the first place. Once that move was made, Williams and his agent held all the cards.
It's pathetic how inept Gettleman is at his job. Just absolutely pathetic.
Leonard Williams may not touch his sack number again, but if his pressure rate is there, why so much crying? I think he's still getting in the backfield, it's mostly a feeling of guys like Ojulari, Carter and Ximines who aren't getting their guy beat consistently.
I understand stats aren't everything, but Williams is on pace to have half as many pressures (and QB hurries) as he had last year. He had 42 pressures last year. He has 6 in 5 games this year.
and see if they're effectively eating double teams, are they pushing the pocket back on the QB, etc. Those positions in a 3-4 aren't typically big stat producers, they're doing the dirty work to free up the LBs. The bigger problem is the LBs are weak and ineffective, we've got backups at three positions and a rookie.
The way we've allocated capital on our defense, we need them to be stat producers.
Nope, and I pointed it out when they traded for LW. He's a foundation piece but you've still got to add the talent around him. 3-4 DEs are functionally different than edge players and pass rushers, and $20M per for the former isn't ideal, imv.
I said the same thing when DG went after Norwell while needing tackles.
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and see if they're effectively eating double teams, are they pushing the pocket back on the QB, etc. Those positions in a 3-4 aren't typically big stat producers, they're doing the dirty work to free up the LBs. The bigger problem is the LBs are weak and ineffective, we've got backups at three positions and a rookie.
The way we've allocated capital on our defense, we need them to be stat producers.
Nope, and I pointed it out when they traded for LW. He's a foundation piece but you've still got to add the talent around him. 3-4 DEs are functionally different than edge players and pass rushers, and $20M per for the former isn't ideal, imv.
I said the same thing when DG went after Norwell while needing tackles. [/quote
I thought people would learn by now that sacks aren't what defines a DL, much less a 3-4 DL. And even under those circumstances, each front is different. Some are more oriented to pass rush, others are more geared toward stopping the run.
Leonard Williams may not touch his sack number again, but if his pressure rate is there, why so much crying? I think he's still getting in the backfield, it's mostly a feeling of guys like Ojulari, Carter and Ximines who aren't getting their guy beat consistently.
But that's not what they're paying for, is the point. They're paying him to be a difference maker. You're right, it's not just sacks. It's TFL, QB hits, and pressure. Those elements aren't really there either. Not at the star level he's being paid at.
Won't disagree he's underperformed. But who on defense hasn't? Has Logan Ryan made a play? Adoree hasn't been bad, but he's being paid to make big plays. So is Bradberry who looks nothing like last year.
The run defense: Dallas ran outside and not into the strength of the Giants unit. That's on the fault of the OLB players and Crowder.
When you are 1-4 and have the worst record in the NFL
Williams ranked a few spots above Donald. Austin Johnson right next to Donald. Obviously we would prefer to have Donald but their numbers are pretty good
I'm willing to excuse Dex because he gets consistent double teams and holds. I am much harder on williams for what he's being paid vs. what he's producing. It's not working.
I really hope one of our two first rounders is able to provide that in 2022.
The way we've allocated capital on our defense, we need them to be stat producers.
Man, LW and his agent took Gettleman to the woodshed. They were playing chess and Gettleman was playing checkers.
I thought Lawrence played very well against the Saints. But when you aggregate all of his work, I'm thinking he hasn't lived up to his billing as the 17th pick.
If Jones is not the solution at QB, that 2019 draft is the Chernobyl of NFL drafts.
Leonard Williams may not touch his sack number again, but if his pressure rate is there, why so much crying? I think he's still getting in the backfield, it's mostly a feeling of guys like Ojulari, Carter and Ximines who aren't getting their guy beat consistently.
As for Dex, I look at his draft selection to this. Look at what Christian Wilkins and Ed Oliver have done so far in their careers. They were in the same class and "value" as Lawrence. I feel Dex has been much better than both.
Man, LW and his agent took Gettleman to the woodshed. They were playing chess and Gettleman was playing checkers.
In reality they didn't even really have to try very hard since Gettleman put himself in a terrible position by trading for Williams in the first place. Once that move was made, Williams and his agent held all the cards.
It's pathetic how inept Gettleman is at his job. Just absolutely pathetic.
the guys around them aren't making plays.
its almost like they're doing their best to get taken out or plays while guys like dex and LW are getting doubled.
Leonard Williams may not touch his sack number again, but if his pressure rate is there, why so much crying? I think he's still getting in the backfield, it's mostly a feeling of guys like Ojulari, Carter and Ximines who aren't getting their guy beat consistently.
I understand stats aren't everything, but Williams is on pace to have half as many pressures (and QB hurries) as he had last year. He had 42 pressures last year. He has 6 in 5 games this year.
Maybe it's not all his fault, but it's not good.
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and see if they're effectively eating double teams, are they pushing the pocket back on the QB, etc. Those positions in a 3-4 aren't typically big stat producers, they're doing the dirty work to free up the LBs. The bigger problem is the LBs are weak and ineffective, we've got backups at three positions and a rookie.
The way we've allocated capital on our defense, we need them to be stat producers.
Nope, and I pointed it out when they traded for LW. He's a foundation piece but you've still got to add the talent around him. 3-4 DEs are functionally different than edge players and pass rushers, and $20M per for the former isn't ideal, imv.
I said the same thing when DG went after Norwell while needing tackles.
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and see if they're effectively eating double teams, are they pushing the pocket back on the QB, etc. Those positions in a 3-4 aren't typically big stat producers, they're doing the dirty work to free up the LBs. The bigger problem is the LBs are weak and ineffective, we've got backups at three positions and a rookie.
The way we've allocated capital on our defense, we need them to be stat producers.
Nope, and I pointed it out when they traded for LW. He's a foundation piece but you've still got to add the talent around him. 3-4 DEs are functionally different than edge players and pass rushers, and $20M per for the former isn't ideal, imv.
I said the same thing when DG went after Norwell while needing tackles. [/quote
I agree. Bad move by DG.
Leonard Williams may not touch his sack number again, but if his pressure rate is there, why so much crying? I think he's still getting in the backfield, it's mostly a feeling of guys like Ojulari, Carter and Ximines who aren't getting their guy beat consistently.
But that's not what they're paying for, is the point. They're paying him to be a difference maker. You're right, it's not just sacks. It's TFL, QB hits, and pressure. Those elements aren't really there either. Not at the star level he's being paid at.
The run defense: Dallas ran outside and not into the strength of the Giants unit. That's on the fault of the OLB players and Crowder.
And saying 'I told you so' can probably be reiterated by many.
XMan? Cam Brown?
XMan? Cam Brown?
Cam Brown's on IR and a special teamer anyways.
Not that we're far off on that