1st Dallas possession: they generated a turnover and fantastic field position for the offense on the first Dallas possession of the game.
Giants' offensive response: they could only set up a 54 yard FG attempt, which Gano missed. Go score a touchdown there with the short field.
2nd Dallas possession: Dallas puts together an 11 play drive, but they can't punch it in and settle for a 31 yard FG. Red zone field goals are wins for the defense!
Giants' offensive response: Does the offense string a few plays together to rest the defense after the long Dallas drive? Or God forbid, do they score some points? No. 3 and out.
3rd Dallas possession: Another long Dallas drive (10 plays), but again the defense gets a turnover, this time deep in their own territory (NYG 5).
Giants' offensive response: Does the offense get a couple first downs to shift field position and give the defense a breather? No. 3 and out, including two terrible incompletions.
So if you're keeping score at the end of the first quarter:
Turnovers: NYG +2
Total Plays Run: DAL 28, NYG 11
NYG Passes Completed: 0
Score: DAL 3-0
That's the game. Right there. Two turnovers and a red zone win for the defense, and the offense can't even complete a pass.
I guess you saw the Twitter clips of Randy Gregory kicking his ass repeatedly.
Maybe they don’t call the play Jones got hurt on if the offense is producing and up 13-10 or more. Nobody knows, but the offense is just as much to blame for yesterday
Giant defense got pushed around in running game by Zeke and his backup. Each of our Corners were beat by badly by the Cowboy WRs for TDs and penalties. The LBs & Safeties couldn't keep their TE out of the middle. Dallas Offense committed a few unforced errors is all.
And once again, they allowed a long drive for a TD right before halftime, with ease.
They were bad.
it was palpable
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
it was palpable
Even when the Giants were "dominating" in 1986, the Giants were winning games 14-9 and 13-6.
Yeah, yeah "different era."
But you have to play good defense to win. You certainly can't give up 500 total yards and 200 yards rushing.
The early game was misleading because Dak dropped a snap or it would have been worse.
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the Offense had early opportunities to capitalize on and make it a game -- they failed to take advantage of them
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
And it was a 2-score game right before New York gave up a 98 yard (really 113 yard) drive.
It absolutely matters to have first half stops and capitlize on offense.
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Pretty much this.
This was supposed to be the year. And we were 1-3. Offense wasn't good enough to win the beginning of this game, the ATL game and the Denver game. The defense wasn't good enough to win at any point this year. No more excuses, there are some good young players on this team but the processes at the top are completely broken.
The toughest decision they had was whether to run up the middle or go around the edge to get the first down. Or maybe it was whether to just throw for easy first downs or go for the quick strike TD. So many choices.
You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
But you CAN expect the Giants not to score on very many of them, and that's a problem.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
Was anyone confident that scoring 10 points would be sufficient?
Yes, the defense sucks. But so does the offense.
1. Some games start out slowly
I2. The defense gave up 500+ yards with 200 on the ground. That’s an un winnable game
3. Jones started to settle down on the drive he got hurt. Once he got used to the constant pressure.
Jones is NOT a waste of time, no matter how many times you try to make they point.
They are still wandering aimlessly trying to figure it out.
Are they are a ground and pound team?
Are they a team that prides itself on being defensive?
Are they a team that wants to try and score on you and put up big points and win in a shootout?
Are they a tough, beat the snot out of you type team?
Are they a team looking to make big plays offensively and turn you over defensively?
In Judge's quest to be "multiple" I believe he's created a situation in which the team has no identity...they have nothing to fall back on when the stuff is going down.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I am fond of QBR as a stat. I cite it often. But sometimes the QBR Team produces some real head scratchers.
Case in point. They gave Jones a 60.1 QBR yesterday. Average is 50, which means they viewed Jones's play as above average.
Now, even if you are a family member of Jones and look at everything he does through the most positive of lenses, I have no idea how anyone could evaluate that performance and arrive at any number that isn't less than 50. He was just not good.
But of course the thread starter wants every thread to be a Jones sucks thread, along with Debaser and Producer.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
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the Offense had early opportunities to capitalize on and make it a game -- they failed to take advantage of them
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
When a defense faces 28 plays in the first quarter, especially when it's getting run over..it will struggle late. That was the Cowgirl gameplan...run early and wear out the D. The Giants offense doing absolutely nothing early, played right into their hands. The defense was done at halftime because the offense couldn't keep it off the field. 2 fluke turnovers saved the Giants in the first half.
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Yeah the offense shit itself in the first quarter and Jones had a role in that with his own poor play. But the second turnover was an unforced error. The defense fell on a snap Dak dropped.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
Re-watch that was a clear drop. The throw was righ above his right shoulder. Absolutely had to be caught
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Yeah the offense shit itself in the first quarter and Jones had a role in that with his own poor play. But the second turnover was an unforced error. The defense fell on a snap Dak dropped.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
Re-watch that was a clear drop. The throw was righ above his right shoulder. Absolutely had to be caught
I looked for a clip on Twitter and couldn't find it. I didn't think the angles looked great on Fox - IIRC, he was sort of slipping?
(I'm not married to this view, so happy to change my mind here)
The defense gave up over 500 yards. The offense couldn't score from the 2 yard line. Twice!
It's awful. It's the 1970s all over again.
Toney drop
bad throw to Saquon when he got hurt
2 deep shots to Ross on 3rd down
and I think 2 attempts to Golladay on Diggs before Golladay left the game injured
the offense was clearly adjusting to Saquon going out on their 4th play and the OL being a lot more leaky than it has been with Thomas. did you see the hit jones took to deliver that first 38 yarder to Toney to start that TD drive?
How in the hell do you expect an offense to start especially with an aggressive defense who knows those limitations.
Hey, maybe Marcus Mariota would have had 35 by halftime. Or Jacoby Brisset. Those guys always make others perform better no matter the circumstances. Or is it some other darling mediocre passer who hasn't proven anything in the league.
How in the hell do you expect an offense to start especially with an aggressive defense who knows those limitations.
Hey, maybe Marcus Mariota would have had 35 by halftime. Or Jacoby Brisset. Those guys always make others perform better no matter the circumstances. Or is it some other darling mediocre passer who hasn't proven anything in the league.
Nick Mullens would have made Trevon Diggs shit himself.
Yes, giving up 500 yards to the Pokes is an indictment on the defense. But it’s also an indictment on the other units too. The offense was really bad yesterday. So were Teams and so was the coaching.
It’s demoralizing when the defense gets a turn over and then the offense goes three and out. Ditto if the offense scores a TD and then the Teams give up a KO for TD. Considering how often we see this with the Giants I don’t understand how this is a difficult point to grasp. Everyone has a job to do. You know, like a team?
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
Let's not act like that was a perfect throw. Should KT have caught it? Yes. But it wasn't like he dropped a gimme. It was behind him.
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
so after completing one pass of the first eight, then finally completing four passes on a drive and moving the ball, jones makes the hairbrained decision to try and power over two linebackers, got his brains scrambled in the process, and misses rest of game. what play call would have mitigated against jones's poor football instincts here?
how long will you keep excusing jones's culpability in the shit we are seeing on the field? jones can play well sometimes, we have seen it. but so far he's shown to be incapable of doing it consistently. he's the QB for one of the worst scoring offenses in the league.
garrett and judge are a big part of the problem. but your insistence on giving jones a free pass for the pathetic offense is puzzling as he is clearly part of the problem
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and whose play call was that to kick the field goal there instead of go for it? Was that Jones’ decision? Whose idea was it to start Nate Solder at left tackle? It was 10-10 and our entire offense was injured. Not much you can do.
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
so after completing one pass of the first eight, then finally completing four passes on a drive and moving the ball, jones makes the hairbrained decision to try and power over two linebackers, got his brains scrambled in the process, and misses rest of game. what play call would have mitigated against jones's poor football instincts here?
how long will you keep excusing jones's culpability in the shit we are seeing on the field? jones can play well sometimes, we have seen it. but so far he's shown to be incapable of doing it consistently. he's the QB for one of the worst scoring offenses in the league.
garrett and judge are a big part of the problem. but your insistence on giving jones a free pass for the pathetic offense is puzzling as he is clearly part of the problem
Clearly. He is a big part of the problem. Even when he *plays well* the offense doesn't score points.
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and whose play call was that to kick the field goal there instead of go for it? Was that Jones’ decision? Whose idea was it to start Nate Solder at left tackle? It was 10-10 and our entire offense was injured. Not much you can do.
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
so after completing one pass of the first eight, then finally completing four passes on a drive and moving the ball, jones makes the hairbrained decision to try and power over two linebackers, got his brains scrambled in the process, and misses rest of game. what play call would have mitigated against jones's poor football instincts here?
how long will you keep excusing jones's culpability in the shit we are seeing on the field? jones can play well sometimes, we have seen it. but so far he's shown to be incapable of doing it consistently. he's the QB for one of the worst scoring offenses in the league.
garrett and judge are a big part of the problem. but your insistence on giving jones a free pass for the pathetic offense is puzzling as he is clearly part of the problem
Right, and if he had slid or run out of bounds, let me guess what you reaction would have been.
I think a lot of fans who may have never played the sport dont understand the flow of a game and how important sustained drives on offense are. Confidence and keeping the D off the field. Everything snow balled from those missed opportunities … the D gets in their own head and pissed they’re creating turnovers and our offense isn’t getting it done. The Giants were playing from behind for essentially the entire game.
If we scored on one of those turnovers at a minimum and we were able to eat up clock I think the flow of the game changes dramatically. Maybe Jones doesn’t get hurt, who knows. But water is wet and rarely in recent memory do we capitalize on turnovers.
Yes, giving up 500 yards to the Pokes is an indictment on the defense. But it’s also an indictment on the other units too. The offense was really bad yesterday. So were Teams and so was the coaching.
It’s demoralizing when the defense gets a turn over and then the offense goes three and out. Ditto if the offense scores a TD and then the Teams give up a KO for TD. Considering how often we see this with the Giants I don’t understand how this is a difficult point to grasp. Everyone has a job to do. You know, like a team?
This is spot on. Complimentary football. It can be incredibly frustrating when one unit isn’t executing and the other is. And I believe, from my experience in this sport, its easy to get down and play worse if you have no confidence in the other unit on the team - that extra effort which makes all the difference in the NFL can disappear. Demoralizing is a good way to put it trueblue.
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Ignore the fact the Giants offense was already limited with Shepard out, Slayton out, Gates gone (second best lineman by a country mile) and their rising star in Andrew Thomas out. Best lineman, especially now with Gates gone, by a galaxy.
How in the hell do you expect an offense to start especially with an aggressive defense who knows those limitations.
Hey, maybe Marcus Mariota would have had 35 by halftime. Or Jacoby Brisset. Those guys always make others perform better no matter the circumstances. Or is it some other darling mediocre passer who hasn't proven anything in the league.
Nick Mullens would have made Trevon Diggs shit himself.
Drew Lock probably too.
Couldn’t agree more, this defense is really bad. Which makes capitalizing on turnovers that much more important…. And we dont do it… rarely ever. Terrible.
I think a lot of fans who may have never played the sport dont understand the flow of a game and how important sustained drives on offense are. Confidence and keeping the D off the field. Everything snow balled from those missed opportunities … the D gets in their own head and pissed they’re creating turnovers and our offense isn’t getting it done. The Giants were playing from behind for essentially the entire game.
If we scored on one of those turnovers at a minimum and we were able to eat up clock I think the flow of the game changes dramatically. Maybe Jones doesn’t get hurt, who knows. But water is wet and rarely in recent memory do we capitalize on turnovers.
Really good post. For a long time, even under Coughlin, if the offense would be really inept at the beginning of games, I knew we were in for a long day. It augurs ill.
If Dak hadn’t fumbled at the goal line, they would have hung 50 on us. Let that sink in. The Rams have to be giggling while watching the tape.
Now, we win and we defer every time. Maybe the large has changed, maybe thats because their isn’t much confidence in the offense, or maybe it is strategy and what the analytics say. But playing from in front does so much for the defense.
Having the defense create turnovers and not taking advantage of it, early in the game, is a recipe for disaster… especially if you’re the 2021 NYG defense.
Games are over after 15 minutes of play now??
Meanwhile, the vaunted defense you’re trying so hard to praise gave up a TD in the last minute of the half - they’ve done that in all FIVE games - and gave up 37 points for the game.
But yes, let’s limit the discussion to the 1st fucking quarter. Yep, that sure was the game! You and your narrative are so fucking pathetic.
But you keep being you, Terps. LOL…
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the Offense had early opportunities to capitalize on and make it a game -- they failed to take advantage of them
it was palpable
Even when the Giants were "dominating" in 1986, the Giants were winning games 14-9 and 13-6.
Yeah, yeah "different era."
But you have to play good defense to win. You certainly can't give up 500 total yards and 200 yards rushing.
The early game was misleading because Dak dropped a snap or it would have been worse.
Those margins gradually got wider and wider as the season went on.
The idea was the Giants would get a lead and then turn LT loose. Game over.
If jones wants to be a very good qb he’s gotta play well in these big games and he has to play well early in these big games.
He also has to be smart out there and try and not get his head caved in.
But fuck the defense first. They never do anything right. Never get stops when we need em.
Plenty of blame to go around as usual. Take your pick.
Dallas would have scored 50 if they needed to.