1st Dallas possession: they generated a turnover and fantastic field position for the offense on the first Dallas possession of the game.
Giants' offensive response: they could only set up a 54 yard FG attempt, which Gano missed. Go score a touchdown there with the short field.
2nd Dallas possession: Dallas puts together an 11 play drive, but they can't punch it in and settle for a 31 yard FG. Red zone field goals are wins for the defense!
Giants' offensive response: Does the offense string a few plays together to rest the defense after the long Dallas drive? Or God forbid, do they score some points? No. 3 and out.
3rd Dallas possession: Another long Dallas drive (10 plays), but again the defense gets a turnover, this time deep in their own territory (NYG 5).
Giants' offensive response: Does the offense get a couple first downs to shift field position and give the defense a breather? No. 3 and out, including two terrible incompletions.
So if you're keeping score at the end of the first quarter:
Turnovers: NYG +2
Total Plays Run: DAL 28, NYG 11
NYG Passes Completed: 0
Score: DAL 3-0
That's the game. Right there. Two turnovers and a red zone win for the defense, and the offense can't even complete a pass.
Wow.
Meanwhile, it was 10-10 with some change left in the first half.
And Dallas put a 40 spot on us. I am sure they would have folded if we just did a little more damage in the 1st quarter.
The score was also 10-10. What happened after that??
The score was also 10-10. What happened after that??
Took the words right outta my mouth.
2nd halves dont matter either. That's actually the part of the game where DJ did his most damage.
Get a clue.
The biggest problem is the offense, the idiotic run oriented conservativism, and the inept QB. The offense is a dumpster fire.
BWHAHAHAHAHA..............
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
Focusing on this allows GT, to focus on his Jones tirades. Of course, if Jones threw for 200 yards in the first quarter then shit the bed, and I made the same argument about Jones that GT is re teh defense, it would rightfully be laughed at
The point is the offense sucked for the 1st quarter. That ends the point. It had ZERO to do with the outcome.
Guess what, it happens. Teams don't play precision football for 60 minutes, esp this one.
But the score was 10-10 with 2 minutes in the half left.
SO
Does anyone honestly think the offense couldn't have generated some more points to at least keep things close, keep the defense a little more rested, etc. if Jones, Barkley and Golladay don't go down?
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
I think you can accuse Terps of a lot of things, but not having the balls to say what he means even if it’s unpopular, isn’t one of them.
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
He was awful to start, but maybe if Toney doesnt drop the pass to start the game they keep moving there..
Also right before he got hurt he was 4 for 4 for 60 yards on that drive inckuding 2 3rd downzls, so he was starting to pick it up..
they were 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the half, if Jones doesnt get hurt maybe he has a great 2nd half..
Qbs sometimes stsrt bad especially when they ars running for their life
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
Bingo. Why not just start a thread with that title?
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
Of course, it is impossible that Jones could have improved as teh game went on. And he was injured with the game tied and basically three quarters left, but it's still Jones' fault. Anyone whoever thiks that your Jones posts aren't biased, should remember this drek you just posted JFC, you're obtuse!
Dallas destroyed our defense. Look at TOP and average yards per play/per run. Could we stop the run at all? Serious question. Saints ran all over us and Dallas did the same. We couldn’t set the edge and got gashed non stop. I don’t know the stats but I’d guess we are the worst tackling team in the nfl
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
Of course, it is impossible that Jones could have improved as teh game went on. And he was injured with the game tied and basically three quarters left, but it's still Jones' fault. Anyone whoever thiks that your Jones posts aren't biased, should remember this drek you just posted JFC, you're obtuse!
Dont know why you all feed the troll. He wants to ignite these arguments by throwing out such affirmative opinions
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
Wrong again, disaster thread.
1. Couldn't stop the run.
2. Couldn't stop the pass.
Those were the two biggest reasons - amongst many - that we lost yesterday.
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
He was awful to start, but maybe if Toney doesnt drop the pass to start the game they keep moving there..
Also right before he got hurt he was 4 for 4 for 60 yards on that drive inckuding 2 3rd downzls, so he was starting to pick it up..
they were 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the half, if Jones doesnt get hurt maybe he has a great 2nd half..
Qbs sometimes stsrt bad especially when they ars running for their life
this is the problem with jones supporters. he was 1 for 8 at one point, then on the fourth possession, he throws four good passes, is driving, then on an odd playcall that dallas sniffed out, decides to put his head down and try and plow through two LBs en route to a nasty concussion.
so eight bad passes, four good passes, and caps it off with a bone headed decision that ends his day, may end his season or at least will keep him sidelined for a week or three.
injury prone skill players aside, you can't win with a guy who plays QB like that.
He is definitely not good enough to give a 2nd big money contract to. But I think the decision to do that is already made by the Mara brothers. Same with Barkley. They fall in love with their people even if they're not winning NFL players.
The only valid point is the Giants not capitalizing on turnovers helped lose the game. But i'm laughing my ass off at that thought of it being THE reason when the D allowed 500 yards and Dallas probably could have added more if they needed to.
Cool thread.
Bad team! Plays bad!
Ok, I'm officially out of this one........
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
I wouldn't say that's entirely true. He's good sometimes which is something that can be said about basically almost everyone who's ever played QB in the NFL.
They are still wandering aimlessly trying to figure it out.
Are they are a ground and pound team?
Are they a team that prides itself on being defensive?
Are they a team that wants to try and score on you and put up big points and win in a shootout?
Are they a tough, beat the snot out of you type team?
Are they a team looking to make big plays offensively and turn you over defensively?
In Judge's quest to be "multiple" I believe he's created a situation in which the team has no identity...they have nothing to fall back on when the stuff is going down.
Dallas destroyed our defense. Look at TOP and average yards per play/per run. Could we stop the run at all? Serious question. Saints ran all over us and Dallas did the same. We couldn’t set the edge and got gashed non stop. I don’t know the stats but I’d guess we are the worst tackling team in the nfl
I don't think it's being argued that our defense played a good game.
I think the point is that our offense did nothing to keep us in the game prior to point where Dallas blew it wide open.
If next week Jones is out, i am not going to root against Glennon so Jones doesnt look bad, If Glennon looks great and the Giants win i am goingnto be happy..
I never understood this Jones supporter/hater crap..
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it may have been our only shot, but Dallas still puts up 40. This is a loaded thread for anyone that doesn't know.
It’s so obvious, but he doesn’t have the balls to type what he actually wants to say.
Jones isn't any good. He was awful yesterday before he got hurt, and that's the biggest reason the Giants lost the game.
He was awful to start, but maybe if Toney doesnt drop the pass to start the game they keep moving there..
Also right before he got hurt he was 4 for 4 for 60 yards on that drive inckuding 2 3rd downzls, so he was starting to pick it up..
they were 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the half, if Jones doesnt get hurt maybe he has a great 2nd half..
Qbs sometimes stsrt bad especially when they ars running for their life
this is the problem with jones supporters. he was 1 for 8 at one point, then on the fourth possession, he throws four good passes, is driving, then on an odd playcall that dallas sniffed out, decides to put his head down and try and plow through two LBs en route to a nasty concussion.
so eight bad passes, four good passes, and caps it off with a bone headed decision that ends his day, may end his season or at least will keep him sidelined for a week or three.
injury prone skill players aside, you can't win with a guy who plays QB like that.
No one is saying he played well, but he was starting to pay better, and all his criticz are assuming he could not improve as the game went along. Lots of QBs have had games where they started cold and heated up. It happens. To assume ti wasn't shows a bias.
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Your one of the strangest posters on this board.
Dallas destroyed our defense. Look at TOP and average yards per play/per run. Could we stop the run at all? Serious question. Saints ran all over us and Dallas did the same. We couldn’t set the edge and got gashed non stop. I don’t know the stats but I’d guess we are the worst tackling team in the nfl
I don't think it's being argued that our defense played a good game.
I think the point is that our offense did nothing to keep us in the game prior to point where Dallas blew it wide open.
it was 10-10 with 2:30 on the clock and the cowboys had a 3rd and 6
Barkley
Shep
A Thomas
Golladay
Another makeshift OL
D without:
Martínez
Game tied late second quarter.
And the O was the bigger problem? Or the D with highly paid CBs and Ss and star DL with the big contract gave up 37, couldn’t stop run or pass, gave up big plays, gave up another pre-half score, not at least as big a problem?
Ooookay
that is the point
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Your one of the strangest posters on this board.
Dallas destroyed our defense. Look at TOP and average yards per play/per run. Could we stop the run at all? Serious question. Saints ran all over us and Dallas did the same. We couldn’t set the edge and got gashed non stop. I don’t know the stats but I’d guess we are the worst tackling team in the nfl
I don't think it's being argued that our defense played a good game.
I think the point is that our offense did nothing to keep us in the game prior to point where Dallas blew it wide open.
Except it was 10-10 and the defense allowed them to march down the field and score inside 2 minutes for what, the 5th time this year?
I fully understand that playing with the lead changes things, but so far this year it hasn't for us. We've given up every lead we've ever had.
He is definitely not good enough to give a 2nd big money contract to. But I think the decision to do that is already made by the Mara brothers. Same with Barkley. They fall in love with their people even if they're not winning NFL players.
I'm leaning this way too as much as I don't want to admit it (especially the Jones part). However the dropped catches kill us too. Engram in the past. Toney yesterday. Even our dropped interceptions. Another one yesterday and One against Atlanta that would have sealed a win. But I'm afraid you may be right about them falling in love with players. It's why they kept Eli too long and drafted Barkley.
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Your one of the strangest posters on this board.
Dallas destroyed our defense. Look at TOP and average yards per play/per run. Could we stop the run at all? Serious question. Saints ran all over us and Dallas did the same. We couldn’t set the edge and got gashed non stop. I don’t know the stats but I’d guess we are the worst tackling team in the nfl
I don't think it's being argued that our defense played a good game.
I think the point is that our offense did nothing to keep us in the game prior to point where Dallas blew it wide open.
it was 10-10 with 2:30 on the clock and the cowboys had a 3rd and 6
But to win a game you need more points than the opponent, and the Giants had chances in the first half that they could not capitalize upon whatsoever.
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Your one of the strangest posters on this board.
Dallas destroyed our defense. Look at TOP and average yards per play/per run. Could we stop the run at all? Serious question. Saints ran all over us and Dallas did the same. We couldn’t set the edge and got gashed non stop. I don’t know the stats but I’d guess we are the worst tackling team in the nfl
I don't think it's being argued that our defense played a good game.
I think the point is that our offense did nothing to keep us in the game prior to point where Dallas blew it wide open.
it was 10-10 with 2:30 on the clock and the cowboys had a 3rd and 6
But to win a game you need more points than the opponent, and the Giants had chances in the first half that they could not capitalize upon whatsoever.
You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
But the defense has not been reliable for a full game. Unlike last year, this year they are bending and breaking.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Stop- he has no point! It is another idiotic shot at Jones but makes zero sense when the Giants tied it at 10, the defense let them walk right down the field and score a TD to take the lead and never look back. It is positively mind boggling at this point why he has such a hard on for Jones and just excludes, excuses or ignores any evidence where blame could be applied elsewhere.
Our best chance to win yesterday was scoring a lot of points in some kind of shoot out and Dallas making making mistakes.
If the offense wasn't so bad early on we might have gone up on Dallas a couple of scores which would have been a good start to forcing them out of run game. Now, maybe they go to the pass and light us up - that was certainly a possibility too.
But I'm with the guy who posted above, who fucking cares who's fault it was? This entire team is bad.
Wow.
Meanwhile, it was 10-10 with some change left in the first half.
And Dallas put a 40 spot on us. I am sure they would have folded if we just did a little more damage in the 1st quarter.
The point is it could have been 20-10.
The missed opportunities are KILLER. This team starts horrifically slow on offense.
Outside of the magic end of the Saints game this 1st quarter is a more accurate reflection of this Giants team than anything else we've seen. It's sad.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Your use of always is a joke since he has fumbled 1 time this year.. The defense has lost game 2, 3 all on their own and did nothing to stop Dallas yesterday.
But the defense has not been reliable for a full game. Unlike last year, this year they are bending and breaking.
Yes. It's a fair point to say the Giants squandered early opportunities to put pressure on Dallas after Dallas made mistakes. If they were going to win that game, they needed more from the offense in the situations.
But the point was way overstated, imo. Even had the offense put up some points, unless the injuries don't end up happening, there's no chance the Giants hang on. And even if they hadn't....I just have no confidence that the O could have put up enough points to stop the D from eventually getting the doors blown off.
The Giants for some reason are allergic to it...
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he starts off shaky to bad. he improves and starts driving. then he fumbles on a run, or throws a pick, or falls down running in open space, or gets himself injured.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Stop confusing their narrative. 1 fumble equates to “always” for these guys where Daniel is concerned
Their obsession on being proven right about Jones is weird.
Your use of always is a joke since he has fumbled 1 time this year.. The defense has lost game 2, 3 all on their own and did nothing to stop Dallas yesterday.
The Giants for some reason are allergic to it...
Not disagreeing. I'm just saying, even if they had scored 14 points and nobody gets injured....Dallas was driving up and down the field and scoring at will. Even with a good performance and capitalizing on the errors, I don't see how the offense holds them off.
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he starts off shaky to bad. he improves and starts driving. then he fumbles on a run, or throws a pick, or falls down running in open space, or gets himself injured.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Your use of always is a joke since he has fumbled 1 time this year.. The defense has lost game 2, 3 all on their own and did nothing to stop Dallas yesterday.
when i said "always" i wasn't referring to fumbling, i was referring to something dumb or bad happening when the ball is in his hands.
the defense has been disturbingly bad this year, of course.
but i don't know how you have watched jones through three seasons of losing football, his inability to throw TD passes under the current coaching staff, his missing multiple games with injury every season, and are inclined to defend him as if nothing is his fault and he's already proven himself.
all we can consistently count on from jones is missing games due to injury.
It's up to the offense to capitalize early against a very explosive opponent. If you don't, you should expect to lose, and that's exactly what happened.
The Giants margin for error was razor thin and the offense had to be perfect if they were to win. To get lucky breaks that early and not do anything with it... well the writing was on the wall.
You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
The Giants rank 16th in % of possessions ending in a score - 39.6%.
However, if you look closer you see a problem...
NYG TDs scored: 10 (T-25th in NFL...Indy (8 TDs) is one of the teams behind them but has played one fewer game)
NYG FGs attempted: 13 (T-2nd in NFL); Graham Gano is tied for the NFL lead with 5 FGs attempted of 50+ yards
They have a good kicker that helps shorten the field, and turnovers aren't a particular issue (they are +1 on the season). This offense in general (not just Jones, but he's a major part of it) just isn't any good at the most critical part of the sport - scoring touchdowns.
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When you are given these opportunities you have to capitalize. If this was Tom Brady and he got a +2 turnover advantage in the first quarter, you'd think he would generate 7-14 points.
The Giants for some reason are allergic to it...
Not disagreeing. I'm just saying, even if they had scored 14 points and nobody gets injured....Dallas was driving up and down the field and scoring at will. Even with a good performance and capitalizing on the errors, I don't see how the offense holds them off.
Sure, they might not have been able to stop Dallas but if they capitalized then you're not talking about a 20+ blow out.
If the Giants are up early, maybe Graham calls a different game, the D is energized that we're punching back, and we play above our heads and take some of Dallas' edge off. Plenty could have went differently.
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The point is the offense sucked for the 1st quarter. That ends the point. It had ZERO to do with the outcome.
Guess what, it happens. Teams don't play precision football for 60 minutes, esp this one.
But the score was 10-10 with 2 minutes in the half left.
SO
Terps isn't completely right, but he has a point. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd bet 75% of the TDs this offense has scored, in the last 2 years, have happened after the Giants are down 10+ points. Jones rarely/never comes out and leads his team to a big lead (or even a small one). The offense often sputters in the 1st half.
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You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
The Giants rank 16th in % of possessions ending in a score - 39.6%.
However, if you look closer you see a problem...
NYG TDs scored: 10 (T-25th in NFL...Indy (8 TDs) is one of the teams behind them but has played one fewer game)
NYG FGs attempted: 13 (T-2nd in NFL); Graham Gano is tied for the NFL lead with 5 FGs attempted of 50+ yards
They have a good kicker that helps shorten the field, and turnovers aren't a particular issue (they are +1 on the season). This offense in general (not just Jones, but he's a major part of it) just isn't any good at the most critical part of the sport - scoring touchdowns.
I don't think it's as simple as the cast not making plays. How critical is good play calling and designs when inside the 10/20 yard line? I think we can agree that the play calling and play design inside those areas leaves much room for improvement.
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You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
The Giants rank 16th in % of possessions ending in a score - 39.6%.
However, if you look closer you see a problem...
NYG TDs scored: 10 (T-25th in NFL...Indy (8 TDs) is one of the teams behind them but has played one fewer game)
NYG FGs attempted: 13 (T-2nd in NFL); Graham Gano is tied for the NFL lead with 5 FGs attempted of 50+ yards
They have a good kicker that helps shorten the field, and turnovers aren't a particular issue (they are +1 on the season). This offense in general (not just Jones, but he's a major part of it) just isn't any good at the most critical part of the sport - scoring touchdowns.
Bruh, here you go again with your statistics and your reasoned arguments and your facts. What you just don't get is that Daniel Jones is going to be a great QB1 in the future when the Giants have a great O-line and no one on the team is injured. You just can't see this because you hate the Giants and you hate Daniel Jones. Amirite?
The game is 60 minutes, it was 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
They had already lost Barkley and Golloday for the day and then Jones went down for day..
We lost the rest of the game 34-10.
What happened was...
After the team lost its
QB1, RB1 and WR1 on gameday before halftime, it folded.
Do that to any team and let me know how they fair.
The game is 60 minutes, it was 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
They had already lost Barkley and Golloday for the day and then Jones went down for day..
We lost the rest of the game 34-10.
What happened was...
After the team lost its
QB1, RB1 and WR1 on gameday before halftime, it folded.
Do that to any team and let me know how they fair.
What did this defense do? What it always does, give up 7 in a 2 minute drive.
Wow.
Meanwhile, it was 10-10 with some change left in the first half.
And Dallas put a 40 spot on us. I am sure they would have folded if we just did a little more damage in the 1st quarter.
Each quarter counts the same.
I guess you saw the Twitter clips of Randy Gregory kicking his ass repeatedly.
Maybe they don’t call the play Jones got hurt on if the offense is producing and up 13-10 or more. Nobody knows, but the offense is just as much to blame for yesterday
Giant defense got pushed around in running game by Zeke and his backup. Each of our Corners were beat by badly by the Cowboy WRs for TDs and penalties. The LBs & Safeties couldn't keep their TE out of the middle. Dallas Offense committed a few unforced errors is all.
And once again, they allowed a long drive for a TD right before halftime, with ease.
They were bad.
it was palpable
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
it was palpable
Even when the Giants were "dominating" in 1986, the Giants were winning games 14-9 and 13-6.
Yeah, yeah "different era."
But you have to play good defense to win. You certainly can't give up 500 total yards and 200 yards rushing.
The early game was misleading because Dak dropped a snap or it would have been worse.
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it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
And it was a 2-score game right before New York gave up a 98 yard (really 113 yard) drive.
It absolutely matters to have first half stops and capitlize on offense.
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Pretty much this.
This was supposed to be the year. And we were 1-3. Offense wasn't good enough to win the beginning of this game, the ATL game and the Denver game. The defense wasn't good enough to win at any point this year. No more excuses, there are some good young players on this team but the processes at the top are completely broken.
The toughest decision they had was whether to run up the middle or go around the edge to get the first down. Or maybe it was whether to just throw for easy first downs or go for the quick strike TD. So many choices.
You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
But you CAN expect the Giants not to score on very many of them, and that's a problem.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
Was anyone confident that scoring 10 points would be sufficient?
Yes, the defense sucks. But so does the offense.
1. Some games start out slowly
I2. The defense gave up 500+ yards with 200 on the ground. That’s an un winnable game
3. Jones started to settle down on the drive he got hurt. Once he got used to the constant pressure.
Jones is NOT a waste of time, no matter how many times you try to make they point.
They are still wandering aimlessly trying to figure it out.
Are they are a ground and pound team?
Are they a team that prides itself on being defensive?
Are they a team that wants to try and score on you and put up big points and win in a shootout?
Are they a tough, beat the snot out of you type team?
Are they a team looking to make big plays offensively and turn you over defensively?
In Judge's quest to be "multiple" I believe he's created a situation in which the team has no identity...they have nothing to fall back on when the stuff is going down.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I am fond of QBR as a stat. I cite it often. But sometimes the QBR Team produces some real head scratchers.
Case in point. They gave Jones a 60.1 QBR yesterday. Average is 50, which means they viewed Jones's play as above average.
Now, even if you are a family member of Jones and look at everything he does through the most positive of lenses, I have no idea how anyone could evaluate that performance and arrive at any number that isn't less than 50. He was just not good.
But of course the thread starter wants every thread to be a Jones sucks thread, along with Debaser and Producer.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
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the Offense had early opportunities to capitalize on and make it a game -- they failed to take advantage of them
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
When a defense faces 28 plays in the first quarter, especially when it's getting run over..it will struggle late. That was the Cowgirl gameplan...run early and wear out the D. The Giants offense doing absolutely nothing early, played right into their hands. The defense was done at halftime because the offense couldn't keep it off the field. 2 fluke turnovers saved the Giants in the first half.
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Yeah the offense shit itself in the first quarter and Jones had a role in that with his own poor play. But the second turnover was an unforced error. The defense fell on a snap Dak dropped.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
Re-watch that was a clear drop. The throw was righ above his right shoulder. Absolutely had to be caught
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Yeah the offense shit itself in the first quarter and Jones had a role in that with his own poor play. But the second turnover was an unforced error. The defense fell on a snap Dak dropped.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
Re-watch that was a clear drop. The throw was righ above his right shoulder. Absolutely had to be caught
I looked for a clip on Twitter and couldn't find it. I didn't think the angles looked great on Fox - IIRC, he was sort of slipping?
(I'm not married to this view, so happy to change my mind here)
The defense gave up over 500 yards. The offense couldn't score from the 2 yard line. Twice!
It's awful. It's the 1970s all over again.
Toney drop
bad throw to Saquon when he got hurt
2 deep shots to Ross on 3rd down
and I think 2 attempts to Golladay on Diggs before Golladay left the game injured
the offense was clearly adjusting to Saquon going out on their 4th play and the OL being a lot more leaky than it has been with Thomas. did you see the hit jones took to deliver that first 38 yarder to Toney to start that TD drive?
How in the hell do you expect an offense to start especially with an aggressive defense who knows those limitations.
Hey, maybe Marcus Mariota would have had 35 by halftime. Or Jacoby Brisset. Those guys always make others perform better no matter the circumstances. Or is it some other darling mediocre passer who hasn't proven anything in the league.
How in the hell do you expect an offense to start especially with an aggressive defense who knows those limitations.
Hey, maybe Marcus Mariota would have had 35 by halftime. Or Jacoby Brisset. Those guys always make others perform better no matter the circumstances. Or is it some other darling mediocre passer who hasn't proven anything in the league.
Nick Mullens would have made Trevon Diggs shit himself.
Yes, giving up 500 yards to the Pokes is an indictment on the defense. But it’s also an indictment on the other units too. The offense was really bad yesterday. So were Teams and so was the coaching.
It’s demoralizing when the defense gets a turn over and then the offense goes three and out. Ditto if the offense scores a TD and then the Teams give up a KO for TD. Considering how often we see this with the Giants I don’t understand how this is a difficult point to grasp. Everyone has a job to do. You know, like a team?
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
Let's not act like that was a perfect throw. Should KT have caught it? Yes. But it wasn't like he dropped a gimme. It was behind him.
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
so after completing one pass of the first eight, then finally completing four passes on a drive and moving the ball, jones makes the hairbrained decision to try and power over two linebackers, got his brains scrambled in the process, and misses rest of game. what play call would have mitigated against jones's poor football instincts here?
how long will you keep excusing jones's culpability in the shit we are seeing on the field? jones can play well sometimes, we have seen it. but so far he's shown to be incapable of doing it consistently. he's the QB for one of the worst scoring offenses in the league.
garrett and judge are a big part of the problem. but your insistence on giving jones a free pass for the pathetic offense is puzzling as he is clearly part of the problem
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and whose play call was that to kick the field goal there instead of go for it? Was that Jones’ decision? Whose idea was it to start Nate Solder at left tackle? It was 10-10 and our entire offense was injured. Not much you can do.
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
so after completing one pass of the first eight, then finally completing four passes on a drive and moving the ball, jones makes the hairbrained decision to try and power over two linebackers, got his brains scrambled in the process, and misses rest of game. what play call would have mitigated against jones's poor football instincts here?
how long will you keep excusing jones's culpability in the shit we are seeing on the field? jones can play well sometimes, we have seen it. but so far he's shown to be incapable of doing it consistently. he's the QB for one of the worst scoring offenses in the league.
garrett and judge are a big part of the problem. but your insistence on giving jones a free pass for the pathetic offense is puzzling as he is clearly part of the problem
Clearly. He is a big part of the problem. Even when he *plays well* the offense doesn't score points.
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and whose play call was that to kick the field goal there instead of go for it? Was that Jones’ decision? Whose idea was it to start Nate Solder at left tackle? It was 10-10 and our entire offense was injured. Not much you can do.
Jesus man. You are like a wind up doll with this stuff, spewing the same stuff over and over.
so after completing one pass of the first eight, then finally completing four passes on a drive and moving the ball, jones makes the hairbrained decision to try and power over two linebackers, got his brains scrambled in the process, and misses rest of game. what play call would have mitigated against jones's poor football instincts here?
how long will you keep excusing jones's culpability in the shit we are seeing on the field? jones can play well sometimes, we have seen it. but so far he's shown to be incapable of doing it consistently. he's the QB for one of the worst scoring offenses in the league.
garrett and judge are a big part of the problem. but your insistence on giving jones a free pass for the pathetic offense is puzzling as he is clearly part of the problem
Right, and if he had slid or run out of bounds, let me guess what you reaction would have been.
I think a lot of fans who may have never played the sport dont understand the flow of a game and how important sustained drives on offense are. Confidence and keeping the D off the field. Everything snow balled from those missed opportunities … the D gets in their own head and pissed they’re creating turnovers and our offense isn’t getting it done. The Giants were playing from behind for essentially the entire game.
If we scored on one of those turnovers at a minimum and we were able to eat up clock I think the flow of the game changes dramatically. Maybe Jones doesn’t get hurt, who knows. But water is wet and rarely in recent memory do we capitalize on turnovers.
Yes, giving up 500 yards to the Pokes is an indictment on the defense. But it’s also an indictment on the other units too. The offense was really bad yesterday. So were Teams and so was the coaching.
It’s demoralizing when the defense gets a turn over and then the offense goes three and out. Ditto if the offense scores a TD and then the Teams give up a KO for TD. Considering how often we see this with the Giants I don’t understand how this is a difficult point to grasp. Everyone has a job to do. You know, like a team?
This is spot on. Complimentary football. It can be incredibly frustrating when one unit isn’t executing and the other is. And I believe, from my experience in this sport, its easy to get down and play worse if you have no confidence in the other unit on the team - that extra effort which makes all the difference in the NFL can disappear. Demoralizing is a good way to put it trueblue.
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Ignore the fact the Giants offense was already limited with Shepard out, Slayton out, Gates gone (second best lineman by a country mile) and their rising star in Andrew Thomas out. Best lineman, especially now with Gates gone, by a galaxy.
How in the hell do you expect an offense to start especially with an aggressive defense who knows those limitations.
Hey, maybe Marcus Mariota would have had 35 by halftime. Or Jacoby Brisset. Those guys always make others perform better no matter the circumstances. Or is it some other darling mediocre passer who hasn't proven anything in the league.
Nick Mullens would have made Trevon Diggs shit himself.
Drew Lock probably too.
Couldn’t agree more, this defense is really bad. Which makes capitalizing on turnovers that much more important…. And we dont do it… rarely ever. Terrible.
I think a lot of fans who may have never played the sport dont understand the flow of a game and how important sustained drives on offense are. Confidence and keeping the D off the field. Everything snow balled from those missed opportunities … the D gets in their own head and pissed they’re creating turnovers and our offense isn’t getting it done. The Giants were playing from behind for essentially the entire game.
If we scored on one of those turnovers at a minimum and we were able to eat up clock I think the flow of the game changes dramatically. Maybe Jones doesn’t get hurt, who knows. But water is wet and rarely in recent memory do we capitalize on turnovers.
Really good post. For a long time, even under Coughlin, if the offense would be really inept at the beginning of games, I knew we were in for a long day. It augurs ill.
If Dak hadn’t fumbled at the goal line, they would have hung 50 on us. Let that sink in. The Rams have to be giggling while watching the tape.
Now, we win and we defer every time. Maybe the large has changed, maybe thats because their isn’t much confidence in the offense, or maybe it is strategy and what the analytics say. But playing from in front does so much for the defense.
Having the defense create turnovers and not taking advantage of it, early in the game, is a recipe for disaster… especially if you’re the 2021 NYG defense.
Games are over after 15 minutes of play now??
Meanwhile, the vaunted defense you’re trying so hard to praise gave up a TD in the last minute of the half - they’ve done that in all FIVE games - and gave up 37 points for the game.
But yes, let’s limit the discussion to the 1st fucking quarter. Yep, that sure was the game! You and your narrative are so fucking pathetic.
But you keep being you, Terps. LOL…
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the Offense had early opportunities to capitalize on and make it a game -- they failed to take advantage of them
it was palpable
Even when the Giants were "dominating" in 1986, the Giants were winning games 14-9 and 13-6.
Yeah, yeah "different era."
But you have to play good defense to win. You certainly can't give up 500 total yards and 200 yards rushing.
The early game was misleading because Dak dropped a snap or it would have been worse.
Those margins gradually got wider and wider as the season went on.
The idea was the Giants would get a lead and then turn LT loose. Game over.
If jones wants to be a very good qb he’s gotta play well in these big games and he has to play well early in these big games.
He also has to be smart out there and try and not get his head caved in.
But fuck the defense first. They never do anything right. Never get stops when we need em.
Plenty of blame to go around as usual. Take your pick.
Dallas would have scored 50 if they needed to.