1st Dallas possession: they generated a turnover and fantastic field position for the offense on the first Dallas possession of the game.
Giants' offensive response: they could only set up a 54 yard FG attempt, which Gano missed. Go score a touchdown there with the short field.
2nd Dallas possession: Dallas puts together an 11 play drive, but they can't punch it in and settle for a 31 yard FG. Red zone field goals are wins for the defense!
Giants' offensive response: Does the offense string a few plays together to rest the defense after the long Dallas drive? Or God forbid, do they score some points? No. 3 and out.
3rd Dallas possession: Another long Dallas drive (10 plays), but again the defense gets a turnover, this time deep in their own territory (NYG 5).
Giants' offensive response: Does the offense get a couple first downs to shift field position and give the defense a breather? No. 3 and out, including two terrible incompletions.
So if you're keeping score at the end of the first quarter:
Turnovers: NYG +2
Total Plays Run: DAL 28, NYG 11
NYG Passes Completed: 0
Score: DAL 3-0
That's the game. Right there. Two turnovers and a red zone win for the defense, and the offense can't even complete a pass.
But the defense has not been reliable for a full game. Unlike last year, this year they are bending and breaking.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Stop- he has no point! It is another idiotic shot at Jones but makes zero sense when the Giants tied it at 10, the defense let them walk right down the field and score a TD to take the lead and never look back. It is positively mind boggling at this point why he has such a hard on for Jones and just excludes, excuses or ignores any evidence where blame could be applied elsewhere.
Our best chance to win yesterday was scoring a lot of points in some kind of shoot out and Dallas making making mistakes.
If the offense wasn't so bad early on we might have gone up on Dallas a couple of scores which would have been a good start to forcing them out of run game. Now, maybe they go to the pass and light us up - that was certainly a possibility too.
But I'm with the guy who posted above, who fucking cares who's fault it was? This entire team is bad.
Wow.
Meanwhile, it was 10-10 with some change left in the first half.
And Dallas put a 40 spot on us. I am sure they would have folded if we just did a little more damage in the 1st quarter.
The point is it could have been 20-10.
The missed opportunities are KILLER. This team starts horrifically slow on offense.
Outside of the magic end of the Saints game this 1st quarter is a more accurate reflection of this Giants team than anything else we've seen. It's sad.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Your use of always is a joke since he has fumbled 1 time this year.. The defense has lost game 2, 3 all on their own and did nothing to stop Dallas yesterday.
But the defense has not been reliable for a full game. Unlike last year, this year they are bending and breaking.
Yes. It's a fair point to say the Giants squandered early opportunities to put pressure on Dallas after Dallas made mistakes. If they were going to win that game, they needed more from the offense in the situations.
But the point was way overstated, imo. Even had the offense put up some points, unless the injuries don't end up happening, there's no chance the Giants hang on. And even if they hadn't....I just have no confidence that the O could have put up enough points to stop the D from eventually getting the doors blown off.
The Giants for some reason are allergic to it...
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he starts off shaky to bad. he improves and starts driving. then he fumbles on a run, or throws a pick, or falls down running in open space, or gets himself injured.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Stop confusing their narrative. 1 fumble equates to “always” for these guys where Daniel is concerned
Their obsession on being proven right about Jones is weird.
Your use of always is a joke since he has fumbled 1 time this year.. The defense has lost game 2, 3 all on their own and did nothing to stop Dallas yesterday.
The Giants for some reason are allergic to it...
Not disagreeing. I'm just saying, even if they had scored 14 points and nobody gets injured....Dallas was driving up and down the field and scoring at will. Even with a good performance and capitalizing on the errors, I don't see how the offense holds them off.
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he starts off shaky to bad. he improves and starts driving. then he fumbles on a run, or throws a pick, or falls down running in open space, or gets himself injured.
he's not a good QB and never really has been. he had a decent game last week against the saints. he was dogshit Q1 v dallas, then in Q2, got himself knocked out of the game on a boneheaded decision.
for whatever reason, jones has always loved trying to muscle through defenders and it's never ended well for him. yet he keeps doing it.
maybe he'll know better now after getting his brains scrambled. i'm not counting on it though -- seems to be who he is.
Your use of always is a joke since he has fumbled 1 time this year.. The defense has lost game 2, 3 all on their own and did nothing to stop Dallas yesterday.
when i said "always" i wasn't referring to fumbling, i was referring to something dumb or bad happening when the ball is in his hands.
the defense has been disturbingly bad this year, of course.
but i don't know how you have watched jones through three seasons of losing football, his inability to throw TD passes under the current coaching staff, his missing multiple games with injury every season, and are inclined to defend him as if nothing is his fault and he's already proven himself.
all we can consistently count on from jones is missing games due to injury.
It's up to the offense to capitalize early against a very explosive opponent. If you don't, you should expect to lose, and that's exactly what happened.
The Giants margin for error was razor thin and the offense had to be perfect if they were to win. To get lucky breaks that early and not do anything with it... well the writing was on the wall.
You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
The Giants rank 16th in % of possessions ending in a score - 39.6%.
However, if you look closer you see a problem...
NYG TDs scored: 10 (T-25th in NFL...Indy (8 TDs) is one of the teams behind them but has played one fewer game)
NYG FGs attempted: 13 (T-2nd in NFL); Graham Gano is tied for the NFL lead with 5 FGs attempted of 50+ yards
They have a good kicker that helps shorten the field, and turnovers aren't a particular issue (they are +1 on the season). This offense in general (not just Jones, but he's a major part of it) just isn't any good at the most critical part of the sport - scoring touchdowns.
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When you are given these opportunities you have to capitalize. If this was Tom Brady and he got a +2 turnover advantage in the first quarter, you'd think he would generate 7-14 points.
The Giants for some reason are allergic to it...
Not disagreeing. I'm just saying, even if they had scored 14 points and nobody gets injured....Dallas was driving up and down the field and scoring at will. Even with a good performance and capitalizing on the errors, I don't see how the offense holds them off.
Sure, they might not have been able to stop Dallas but if they capitalized then you're not talking about a 20+ blow out.
If the Giants are up early, maybe Graham calls a different game, the D is energized that we're punching back, and we play above our heads and take some of Dallas' edge off. Plenty could have went differently.
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The point is the offense sucked for the 1st quarter. That ends the point. It had ZERO to do with the outcome.
Guess what, it happens. Teams don't play precision football for 60 minutes, esp this one.
But the score was 10-10 with 2 minutes in the half left.
SO
Terps isn't completely right, but he has a point. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd bet 75% of the TDs this offense has scored, in the last 2 years, have happened after the Giants are down 10+ points. Jones rarely/never comes out and leads his team to a big lead (or even a small one). The offense often sputters in the 1st half.
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You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
The Giants rank 16th in % of possessions ending in a score - 39.6%.
However, if you look closer you see a problem...
NYG TDs scored: 10 (T-25th in NFL...Indy (8 TDs) is one of the teams behind them but has played one fewer game)
NYG FGs attempted: 13 (T-2nd in NFL); Graham Gano is tied for the NFL lead with 5 FGs attempted of 50+ yards
They have a good kicker that helps shorten the field, and turnovers aren't a particular issue (they are +1 on the season). This offense in general (not just Jones, but he's a major part of it) just isn't any good at the most critical part of the sport - scoring touchdowns.
I don't think it's as simple as the cast not making plays. How critical is good play calling and designs when inside the 10/20 yard line? I think we can agree that the play calling and play design inside those areas leaves much room for improvement.
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You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
The Giants rank 16th in % of possessions ending in a score - 39.6%.
However, if you look closer you see a problem...
NYG TDs scored: 10 (T-25th in NFL...Indy (8 TDs) is one of the teams behind them but has played one fewer game)
NYG FGs attempted: 13 (T-2nd in NFL); Graham Gano is tied for the NFL lead with 5 FGs attempted of 50+ yards
They have a good kicker that helps shorten the field, and turnovers aren't a particular issue (they are +1 on the season). This offense in general (not just Jones, but he's a major part of it) just isn't any good at the most critical part of the sport - scoring touchdowns.
Bruh, here you go again with your statistics and your reasoned arguments and your facts. What you just don't get is that Daniel Jones is going to be a great QB1 in the future when the Giants have a great O-line and no one on the team is injured. You just can't see this because you hate the Giants and you hate Daniel Jones. Amirite?
The game is 60 minutes, it was 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
They had already lost Barkley and Golloday for the day and then Jones went down for day..
We lost the rest of the game 34-10.
What happened was...
After the team lost its
QB1, RB1 and WR1 on gameday before halftime, it folded.
Do that to any team and let me know how they fair.
The game is 60 minutes, it was 10-10 with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
They had already lost Barkley and Golloday for the day and then Jones went down for day..
We lost the rest of the game 34-10.
What happened was...
After the team lost its
QB1, RB1 and WR1 on gameday before halftime, it folded.
Do that to any team and let me know how they fair.
What did this defense do? What it always does, give up 7 in a 2 minute drive.
Wow.
Meanwhile, it was 10-10 with some change left in the first half.
And Dallas put a 40 spot on us. I am sure they would have folded if we just did a little more damage in the 1st quarter.
Each quarter counts the same.
I guess you saw the Twitter clips of Randy Gregory kicking his ass repeatedly.
Maybe they don’t call the play Jones got hurt on if the offense is producing and up 13-10 or more. Nobody knows, but the offense is just as much to blame for yesterday
Giant defense got pushed around in running game by Zeke and his backup. Each of our Corners were beat by badly by the Cowboy WRs for TDs and penalties. The LBs & Safeties couldn't keep their TE out of the middle. Dallas Offense committed a few unforced errors is all.
And once again, they allowed a long drive for a TD right before halftime, with ease.
They were bad.
it was palpable
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
it was palpable
Even when the Giants were "dominating" in 1986, the Giants were winning games 14-9 and 13-6.
Yeah, yeah "different era."
But you have to play good defense to win. You certainly can't give up 500 total yards and 200 yards rushing.
The early game was misleading because Dak dropped a snap or it would have been worse.
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it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
And it was a 2-score game right before New York gave up a 98 yard (really 113 yard) drive.
It absolutely matters to have first half stops and capitlize on offense.
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Pretty much this.
This was supposed to be the year. And we were 1-3. Offense wasn't good enough to win the beginning of this game, the ATL game and the Denver game. The defense wasn't good enough to win at any point this year. No more excuses, there are some good young players on this team but the processes at the top are completely broken.
The toughest decision they had was whether to run up the middle or go around the edge to get the first down. Or maybe it was whether to just throw for easy first downs or go for the quick strike TD. So many choices.
You cant expect the offense to score on every single possession..
But you CAN expect the Giants not to score on very many of them, and that's a problem.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
Was anyone confident that scoring 10 points would be sufficient?
Yes, the defense sucks. But so does the offense.
1. Some games start out slowly
I2. The defense gave up 500+ yards with 200 on the ground. That’s an un winnable game
3. Jones started to settle down on the drive he got hurt. Once he got used to the constant pressure.
Jones is NOT a waste of time, no matter how many times you try to make they point.
They are still wandering aimlessly trying to figure it out.
Are they are a ground and pound team?
Are they a team that prides itself on being defensive?
Are they a team that wants to try and score on you and put up big points and win in a shootout?
Are they a tough, beat the snot out of you type team?
Are they a team looking to make big plays offensively and turn you over defensively?
In Judge's quest to be "multiple" I believe he's created a situation in which the team has no identity...they have nothing to fall back on when the stuff is going down.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I am fond of QBR as a stat. I cite it often. But sometimes the QBR Team produces some real head scratchers.
Case in point. They gave Jones a 60.1 QBR yesterday. Average is 50, which means they viewed Jones's play as above average.
Now, even if you are a family member of Jones and look at everything he does through the most positive of lenses, I have no idea how anyone could evaluate that performance and arrive at any number that isn't less than 50. He was just not good.
But of course the thread starter wants every thread to be a Jones sucks thread, along with Debaser and Producer.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
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the Offense had early opportunities to capitalize on and make it a game -- they failed to take advantage of them
it was palpable
I get what you're saying, but no matter how you slice it, the offense made it 10-10 with 2:27 (I think I have that right?) left in the first half after a long drive and the D once again folded like a cheap suit. Was it great they created a turnover early and got a couple stops, yes. But when they needed to step up, they again allowed a TD right before half, 5/5 so far.
When a defense faces 28 plays in the first quarter, especially when it's getting run over..it will struggle late. That was the Cowgirl gameplan...run early and wear out the D. The Giants offense doing absolutely nothing early, played right into their hands. The defense was done at halftime because the offense couldn't keep it off the field. 2 fluke turnovers saved the Giants in the first half.
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Yeah the offense shit itself in the first quarter and Jones had a role in that with his own poor play. But the second turnover was an unforced error. The defense fell on a snap Dak dropped.
And this was the first quarter. In the last two minutes of the first half and the entire second half the defense was lit up like a candle. If Dallas needed another 20 points to win this one they would have found them.
Jones was bad in the first quarter. The offensive line was bad in the first quarter. Toney killed a drive dropping a very catchable ball. This was a team loss, as much as you would love to put it solely on Jones.
I actually thought that catch was tough and that Jones made a bad throw. It was catchable, yes, but I thought it would have been an impressive reception. Less impressive than a handful of his others, but still.
Re-watch that was a clear drop. The throw was righ above his right shoulder. Absolutely had to be caught