had we not blown both the Was and Atl games we would be 3-2 right now. The problem is we did blow those games and with injuries now the record is going to look very bad soon.
At this point, you are what your record says you are and we need to make changes accordingly.
They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
I said that with the shitty NFCE and the extra playoff spot they should be able to at least compete for a playoff spot and he quickly countered that it was a rebuilding year. Don't know how close his is to the org anymore but thats some anecdotal evidence that semi insiders were not hopeful.
Cool story bro
I bet there are differing opinions on that issue inside the building
They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
I said that with the shitty NFCE and the extra playoff spot they should be able to at least compete for a playoff spot and he quickly countered that it was a rebuilding year. Don't know how close his is to the org anymore but thats some anecdotal evidence that semi insiders were not hopeful.
They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
Going into the season, anyone could look at this roster and know the OLine would be average at best and we'd generate no pass rush. That's not a recipe for winning NFL games. Graham/Judge definitely knew this wasn't a good team...the schemes on both sides were designed to keep games close, not to dictate the action and win.
Going into the season, anyone could look at this roster and know the OLine would be average at best and we'd generate no pass rush. That's not a recipe for winning NFL games. Graham/Judge definitely knew this wasn't a good team...the schemes on both sides were designed to keep games close, not to dictate the action and win.
but this roster is ordinary, and the coaches (the big three especially) are struggling this year. Injuries are but one factor, but the key injuries are more of a recent vintage.
They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
Easily be 5-0? Seriously?
EVEN 5-0 WITHOUT INJURIES.
How can you blame injuries for any other loss besides Dallas? And the Giants defense which is mostly healthy got absolutely torched yesterday.
All teams deal with injuries. I have no idea who anyone could think this team could easily be 5-0...
I said that with the shitty NFCE and the extra playoff spot they should be able to at least compete for a playoff spot and he quickly countered that it was a rebuilding year. Don't know how close his is to the org anymore but thats some anecdotal evidence that semi insiders were not hopeful.
Cool story bro
One of the OL guys who retired this summer?
no, a special teamer who last played in 2019. leave it at that
weirdest thing for me, now having the benefit of hindsight
is why we even signed Jackson to play coverages the way we do. Had I known that my opinion on the signed would have been different than (what is is now, a waste).
Besides that I'm fine spending money despite not being a definitive playoff team. These deals were "cheaper" based on the reduced cap and expected future growth. They also seemed to have gotten better OL coaching which, if not for the rash of injuries on the OL, would look even better in all likelihood.
and it gets to the heart of the matter. Assessment of player personnel , this roster and other teams falls at the feet of Gettleman’ and Chris Mara, the VP of Plater Personnel. It’s why Nepotism is a destructive force. The former needed to retire already and the latter has been HORRIBLE at his job sir a decade.
but this roster is ordinary, and the coaches (the big three especially) are struggling this year. Injuries are but one factor, but the key injuries are more of a recent vintage.
Coaching is a huge part of the NFL. Finding ways to use your players to their best ability.
I really don't think we are doing that right now. In fact, they're making flat out dumb mistakes.
unreasonable to expect going in, they probably are 3-2. I did not see the defense as being a disaster going in. I thought they would be at least avg, and possibly get better if guys like McKinney and Ojulari improved as the season went on. I definitely did not see Bradberry regressing. I don't think Ryan has played to expectations either. And the Martinez injury is a disaster.
I said that with the shitty NFCE and the extra playoff spot they should be able to at least compete for a playoff spot and he quickly countered that it was a rebuilding year. Don't know how close his is to the org anymore but thats some anecdotal evidence that semi insiders were not hopeful.
Cool story bro
One of the OL guys who retired this summer?
no, a special teamer who last played in 2019. leave it at that
Zap DeOssie? He’s been around and is a pretty smart guy.
They made lots of moves on the bottom of the roster. Depth was/is bad. My main complaint is the Giants never start the season ready to play NFL games on a high level. I’m sick of the buildup and high expectations and the team goes out and shits the bed. Five games in and realistically all we have to look forward to is the draft. Again and again. Gets real old fast.
heck, I think I thought we'd improve and maybe contend for the division.
I figured the O would improve some with the weapons and if the OL could just get to average to slightly below, and DJ improved.
What I never counted on (and don't think the Giants did) was the D dropping off a cliff despite adding AJ. I think we massively overestimated our pass rush. Azeez is ok for a rookie, but the rest of the edge guys are useless. They don't set the edge on the run and don't get any pressure.
I'm also a bit disappointed in the run D. I thought our DTs would be more stout even without Hill and Tomlinson.
This is why we play the ga ...oops, just tore my hammy.
they get punched in the mouth, and the coaches seem as unprepared for the punch as the players have. It's odd how they're coaching in games, including all the management mistakes Judge is making on a weekly basis. I don't recall him making so many of them in 2020, which suggests to me some panic in 2021. Across the board really it feels like a considerable amount of panic and more struggles with self-scouting. Ultimately, they're still in the middle of the road talent-wise, at best, and need better players all over the roster.
they get punched in the mouth, and the coaches seem as unprepared for the punch as the players have. It's odd how they're coaching in games, including all the management mistakes Judge is making on a weekly basis. I don't recall him making so many of them in 2020, which suggests to me some panic in 2021. Across the board really it feels like a considerable amount of panic and more struggles with self-scouting. Ultimately, they're still in the middle of the road talent-wise, at best, and need better players all over the roster.
I think the offense in particular coaches scared at times. Garrett seems unwilling to risk turnovers and doesn't trust the offense to throw the ball in the red zone. I actually wonder if Garrett thinks the offensive talent sucks and coaches in a way that makes it even worse.
At this point, you are what your record says you are and we need to make changes accordingly.
Not sure of the level of confidence the staff had with the roster.
They drank the Kool-Aid that last year showed a team on the rise who just needed a few pieces to be a strong playoff team.
I think they expected the defense to be an elite unit.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
Look at the money they spent and then how they were willing to kick some of that money down the road.
I truly believe they thought that they put together a core of players that were legit.
I think they expected the defense to be an elite unit.
That's what I think too. Maybe not elite, but good and dependable, the strength of the team.
And the QB would grow and improve in Year 3.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
Easily be 5-0? Seriously?
Cool story bro
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
What??
Cool story bro
One of the OL guys who retired this summer?
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They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
Easily be 5-0? Seriously?
EVEN 5-0 WITHOUT INJURIES.
I think they expected the defense to be an elite unit.
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They could easily be 4-1 even 5-0 if not for injuries and just letting the players play.
I think they have assembled a good team that has been played to close to the vest. Let them play and take their lumps. They will figure it out, you can see it in the games. They get better as the game goes on and they have to let the players play. This team can be explosive if given a chance.
I would say they miscalculated by letting Tomlinson go and not adequately filling that void. The Giants stance on the NT/DT position is mind boggling.
Easily be 5-0? Seriously?
EVEN 5-0 WITHOUT INJURIES.
How can you blame injuries for any other loss besides Dallas? And the Giants defense which is mostly healthy got absolutely torched yesterday.
All teams deal with injuries. I have no idea who anyone could think this team could easily be 5-0...
That's a nice way to put it.
Too many posters here do think from the heart and they categorize anyone who doesn't share their view as a negative poster.
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I said that with the shitty NFCE and the extra playoff spot they should be able to at least compete for a playoff spot and he quickly countered that it was a rebuilding year. Don't know how close his is to the org anymore but thats some anecdotal evidence that semi insiders were not hopeful.
Cool story bro
One of the OL guys who retired this summer?
no, a special teamer who last played in 2019. leave it at that
Besides that I'm fine spending money despite not being a definitive playoff team. These deals were "cheaper" based on the reduced cap and expected future growth. They also seemed to have gotten better OL coaching which, if not for the rash of injuries on the OL, would look even better in all likelihood.
Coaching is a huge part of the NFL. Finding ways to use your players to their best ability.
I really don't think we are doing that right now. In fact, they're making flat out dumb mistakes.
Regret? He's the one who should be disappointed in his coaching so far.
If we go from 6 to 4, DG, Judge, and every coach and scout better hope Mara dips giving everyone a mulligan for all these injuries.
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I said that with the shitty NFCE and the extra playoff spot they should be able to at least compete for a playoff spot and he quickly countered that it was a rebuilding year. Don't know how close his is to the org anymore but thats some anecdotal evidence that semi insiders were not hopeful.
Cool story bro
One of the OL guys who retired this summer?
no, a special teamer who last played in 2019. leave it at that
Zap DeOssie? He’s been around and is a pretty smart guy.
I figured the O would improve some with the weapons and if the OL could just get to average to slightly below, and DJ improved.
What I never counted on (and don't think the Giants did) was the D dropping off a cliff despite adding AJ. I think we massively overestimated our pass rush. Azeez is ok for a rookie, but the rest of the edge guys are useless. They don't set the edge on the run and don't get any pressure.
I'm also a bit disappointed in the run D. I thought our DTs would be more stout even without Hill and Tomlinson.
This is why we play the ga ...oops, just tore my hammy.
I think the offense in particular coaches scared at times. Garrett seems unwilling to risk turnovers and doesn't trust the offense to throw the ball in the red zone. I actually wonder if Garrett thinks the offensive talent sucks and coaches in a way that makes it even worse.
I don't think Garrett trusts Jones in the RZ at all, which contributes to the awful play calling.