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interesting stat on Toney's day yesterday from Paul Schwartz

Victor in CT : 10/11/2021 5:07 pm
He was in for only half the plays!

. This is something: Toney had 10 receptions for 189 yards – the yardage is the most ever for a Giants rookie. Toney also took a direct snap and gained seven yards on a designed run and, threw one pass that was incomplete. All this production was stuffed into only 37 snaps – 54 percent of the offensive snaps for the Giants.

also thought this was a reasonable take on the punch incident:

1. Yup, Kadarius Toney made a mistake. He lost his cool and threw a punch midway through the fourth quarter. He was ejected, rightfully so. Coach Joe Judge was incensed, rightfully so. This is not good. But it is not an indictment on the rookie that some portray it to be. He took to Twitter early Monday morning to clear the air: “Wanna take the time out to apologize to the entire organization, Owners, My Teammates and the entire #BigBlue …your emotions just can get the best of you sometimes…..No Excuses just actions. #ThankYall.’’

The immediate outcry in some circles – that the punch was analogous to Toney being a bad seed and that a suspension is warranted – was over the top. Toney will be fined by the NFL, not suspended. Judge will use this as a teaching tool and is not going to take his most dynamic player off the field for a momentary lapse in judgment. Did you see the way Toney competed in this game? The way he fought for every yard? The way he, at times, refused to be tackled? The way he muscled for every inch? The talent is there. The passion is there. The will is there. The composure is not there. The Giants will work on this with Toney. It is early, and this is a first impression: The Giants need more players like Kadarius Toney on their roster.

some other good nuggets in here too
This is the ultimate downside of Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
You should have been here for the Beckham  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2021 5:15 pm : link
situation.
Should have been >200 total yards  
5BowlsSoon : 10/11/2021 5:36 pm : link
Had Booker not dropped that pass from KT.

189 passing
7 rushing
5-10 throwing

201-206 total yards
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/11/2021 5:38 pm : link
The punch was idiotic & props to him apologizing for it.

But the kid seems like he hates to lose & is doing all he can to help out the team. I wish the passion rubbed off on others, especially on those on the defensive side.
I think he is going to be a star  
Crazed Dogs : 10/11/2021 5:41 pm : link
as long as he keeps his head on straight
It's hard to root against players like this.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/11/2021 5:52 pm : link
You just hope the dysfunction doesn't snuff out the competitive fire.
RE: I think he is going to be a star  
short lease : 10/11/2021 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15409306 Crazed Dogs said:
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as long as he keeps his head on straight


+1
I see a Steve Smith (CAR) type receiver,  
lawguy9801 : 10/11/2021 6:44 pm : link
only with better elusiveness.
37 of 54 plays  
section125 : 10/11/2021 6:46 pm : link
is 68% of the plays. Depends on packages, giving him a blow, resting the ankle...

Remarkable stats non the less.
RE: 37 of 54 plays  
BestFeature : 10/11/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15409391 section125 said:
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is 68% of the plays. Depends on packages, giving him a blow, resting the ankle...

Remarkable stats non the less.


I think it's 37 snaps which was 54% of all.
RE: RE: 37 of 54 plays  
section125 : 10/11/2021 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15409408 BestFeature said:
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In comment 15409391 section125 said:


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is 68% of the plays. Depends on packages, giving him a blow, resting the ankle...

Remarkable stats non the less.



I think it's 37 snaps which was 54% of all.


AH, reading comprehension...I may be having sympathetic concussion symptoms with DJ.
You're all welcome..  
moze1021 : 10/11/2021 7:41 pm : link
This is clearly all because I dropped him a couple weeks ago (got cute thinking I would just pick him up later in the week since he was only 3% owned) in a keeper league...

Kinda sucks that I've been sick to my stomach every time he has touched the ball the last 2 games but I'll get over it..(I hope)
The guy just makes things happen when the ball's in his hands  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2021 10:59 pm : link
Joystick mode, indeed. They have got to get the ball in his hands as often as possible
 
ryanmkeane : 10/11/2021 11:26 pm : link
Toney plus a 2022 1st seems just about the only positive for the Giants right now
 
ryanmkeane : 10/11/2021 11:28 pm : link
He is way more twitchy than Beckham. Beckham was a fairly smooth route runner and had breakaway speed. Toney seems more like an Antonio Brown type of quickness with the sudden stop and start. It’s almost like he makes moves before he has the ball.
RE: The guy just makes things happen when the ball's in his hands  
santacruzom : 10/12/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15409906 Greg from LI said:
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Joystick mode, indeed. They have got to get the ball in his hands as often as possible


My guess is he'll be returning punts by week 14.
op post is a lie  
Red Right Hand : 10/12/2021 12:21 am : link
Haven't seen anyone anywhere get on his shit, let alone call him a " bad seed" because he punched some asshole that a teamate should have knocked out for him. Total made up shit. Show me where in the forum, or anywhere in the media taking that stance. Lie.
I was wrong criticizing  
Ike#88 : 10/12/2021 8:13 am : link
Toney for being MIA at the beginning of the season. Without his play Sunday we would have been run out of Dallas in one of the all time butt whippings. They still high stepped it into the endzone in laughter. Toney does show the ability that will make a QB look good with his ability to win 50/50 throws. He will have to be carefull going forward as teams will be trying to push his buttons after he reacted to the throw down with the punch. His play in Dallas at least gives us a reason to want to watch the games coming up.
RE: …  
UConn4523 : 10/12/2021 8:22 am : link
In comment 15409973 ryanmkeane said:
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He is way more twitchy than Beckham. Beckham was a fairly smooth route runner and had breakaway speed. Toney seems more like an Antonio Brown type of quickness with the sudden stop and start. It’s almost like he makes moves before he has the ball.


I loved the play that happened prior to the incident. The way he stopped on a dime, scooped the ball over the defender and stepped between 2/3 guys was awesome. To my eye he keeps his center of gravity low so hopefully that bodes well on the injury front.
RE: I was wrong criticizing  
NYGgolfer : 10/12/2021 8:34 am : link
In comment 15410158 Ike#88 said:
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Toney for being MIA at the beginning of the season. Without his play Sunday we would have been run out of Dallas in one of the all time butt whippings. They still high stepped it into the endzone in laughter. Toney does show the ability that will make a QB look good with his ability to win 50/50 throws. He will have to be carefull going forward as teams will be trying to push his buttons after he reacted to the throw down with the punch. His play in Dallas at least gives us a reason to want to watch the games coming up.


Until the Giants get back some of these WRs, he is going to getting plenty of targets. And defenses are absolutely going to try and get under skin now.

Hope he learns to just go back to the huddle, but have a feeling that punch may not be the last of Mr. Toney's adventures this season.

Who did KT  
Adam G in Big D : 10/12/2021 8:37 am : link
headbutt on the sidelines?
Yeah he's a very different kind of receiver than Beckham  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 9:09 am : link
He doesn't have OBJ's pre-injury explosion and speed, but OBJ never had those kind of moves. I'm not saying Toney is Barry Sanders, but his ability to stop on a dime and get back to speed in a step or two reminds me of no one as much as Sanders.
RE: Yeah he's a very different kind of receiver than Beckham  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2021 9:26 am : link
In comment 15410220 Greg from LI said:
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He doesn't have OBJ's pre-injury explosion and speed, but OBJ never had those kind of moves. I'm not saying Toney is Barry Sanders, but his ability to stop on a dime and get back to speed in a step or two reminds me of no one as much as Sanders.


Another thing I like is that he knows when to stop dancing and just go straight ahead. He's aware of the 1st down marker and getting + yards.
Good point, Victor  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 10:22 am : link
He's got good awareness.

It doesn't change my opinion of Gettleman, but I have to admit that the Toney pick is looking awfully good at the moment.
RE: Good point, Victor  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15410388 Greg from LI said:
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He's got good awareness.

It doesn't change my opinion of Gettleman, but I have to admit that the Toney pick is looking awfully good at the moment.


Yes he does. Thomas looks like a good one too, and possibly Peart. I really thought Jones had turned the corner but who know now with the concussion. Unfortunately there have not been enough of these.
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