This franchise is quickly approaching a massive crossroad, and I think yesterday’s events have accelerated it. There are a ton of questions right now with the Giants:
— 1-4 record with a tough schedule upcoming and a lot of injuries.
— Dave Gettleman is most likely a lame duck GM.
— Daniel Jones is once again hurt with a 5th year option decision looming.
— Saquon Barkley hurt again with a decision on a 2nd contract looming.
— Joe Judge who showed promise, but may face a brand new front office.
— What looks to be an unfavorable cap situation next year after a lot of money spent this year.
— Numerous high priced veterans on what will be most likely another losing team.
The Giants have some promising pieces including Andrew Thomas at LT and Kadarius Toney. Two first round draft picks are big as well.
Where does the franchise go from here? Is it time to sell players? Does ownership double down on Jones & Barkley or just Jones?
Durability matters, and it scares me with Jones. This will be a huge moment in the franchise what they ultimately decide.
Yep.. I am sure we have no way of knowing this at all.. I love have DG fans always have excuses for him.. I am not saying we passed on Herbert, but there is no way of knowing that DG wanted him..
2. Garrett, Graham, and Gettleman need to be fired. Judge on the hot seat in 22.
3. Focus the draft on the OL and front 7 on defense.
4. Jones gets year 4 to prove he’s the guy in 22 with an improved OL. If he’s not the guy, you draft his replacement in 23 with Jones 5th year as a placeholder, and/or trade him.
5. Barkley does not get an extension. You look to trade him prior to deadline in 22.
Graham will never be fired. He is the assistant HC and JJs partner in everything. But he is not a good DC. JJ will likely get a pass but he shouldn't. He will end up with one of the worst two year records ever for a starting HC. Amd they had two winnable games in the first 3 that he mismanaged.
Well, I’d say it makes a difference. Herbert is on his way to a MVP and the Giants are sitting at 1-4. It would have been a ballsy decision, but look at the 5-0 Cardinals.
Are you really this dumb? Get rid of Toney? DJ? Golladay? Shep? Andrew Thomas?
The answer is either through the draft or free agency next season, get some legit pass rushers.
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cleaning house would set them back 3 years. I know some only see the record right now and can't see the forest for the trees. I believe this team is real close to turning the losses into wins.
this is a joke post, right?
The Giants have never operated this way before, so it would have to be a significant change. Just looking back:
-Accorsi outlasted Fassel
-Reese was hired after Coughlin
-Reese outlasted Coughlin
-Gettleman outlasted Shurmur
I don’t think the Giants view HC/GM as a package deal.
If that means a new coach, that means a new coach..
If that means a new QB then that means a new QB..
Whatever he wants you let him do it, no more meddling, no more owner picking coach, let the new gm do it..If that is keeping Judge then he keeps Judge..
and no more GMs from the family tree, find an outsider and let him remake the front office
-How good of a team around him does Jones need around him to have success? Has he shown enough to invest a second contract in? I am not at that point for the second question. If you move on who then is making that selection?
-Is Judge someone that can get this team to a championship level? He may have been encouraged to hire Garrett but the rest of the staff is all him. I also think he has had major input in the draft and FA selection. Is he someone that can make the difficult choices and has he done enough to let him make the those changes?
Dave is most likely gone and I am fine with that. But I think the the two questions above are the bigger issue.
In the meanwhile, a short list of players that may have some decent value and are not long-term pieces should be put together and marketed before the trade deadline. Obvious ones include Engram, Peppers, maybe Logan Ryan and possibly Barkley. Although would imagine that last one would elicit a variety of different opinions in Front Office.
RE: Herbert, I said it throughout the draft lead up in 2019 : do not force a QB! It's perfectly ok to sign a veteran to hold down the fort until the right prospect is revealed. There were proven vets available who could play the modern QB role, and Herbert in 2020 wound up sitting right there for NYG at #4. THAT was their biggest mistake!!
This can't be serious.
As for Mahomes, werent the Giants coming off going to the playoffs? and would of had to basically give up their entire draft to get him?
No one was clamoring for Josh Allen in that draft, or after his rookie year or after his 2nd year..
Hindsight will always win, but actually go back to the actual time these qbs were selected and look at the position the Giants were in..easy to say it now in the current situation
RE: Herbert, I said it throughout the draft lead up in 2019 : do not force a QB! It's perfectly ok to sign a veteran to hold down the fort until the right prospect is revealed. There were proven vets available who could play the modern QB role, and Herbert in 2020 wound up sitting right there for NYG at #4. THAT was their biggest mistake!!
I looked this up quickly: we can't cut Williams until after next year (he would then have a $7.5mm dead money cap hit in 2023). Golladay's dead cap wouldn't fall below $10mm until 2024.
I'm not advocating for cutting either but our next GM has his hands a bit tied.
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are likely to make it difficult to field a much different team in 2022, which is why the injuries could be used as a comfy excuse to stay the course another year. The trade deadline is the next mile marker to monitor, and let's hope they're able to create some space and add some assets for 2022.
RE: Herbert, I said it throughout the draft lead up in 2019 : do not force a QB! It's perfectly ok to sign a veteran to hold down the fort until the right prospect is revealed. There were proven vets available who could play the modern QB role, and Herbert in 2020 wound up sitting right there for NYG at #4. THAT was their biggest mistake!!
I looked this up quickly: we can't cut Williams until after next year (he would then have a $7.5mm dead money cap hit in 2023). Golladay's dead cap wouldn't fall below $10mm until 2024.
I'm not advocating for cutting either but our next GM has his hands a bit tied.
Cap is going to keeo going up, it may not be next year but the cap will explode with the new tv deal and recovering from the pandemic
I don’t understand what Joe Judge has done in his career that prompts people to suggest he be given the keys to the Giants castle. So, I wouldn’t involve Judge in any aspect of finding a new GM and I wouldn’t limit the pool of available candidates by insisting that Judge be retained as the HC.
Judge seems distinguished only in his presentation and media skills. Hey, that ain’t nothing. If Shurmur had Judges presence and communication skills, maybe he’d be a terrific HC. And if Judge could scheme up an offensive game plan then maybe he’d be a terrific HC. But Judge is clearly learning on the job and I’m just not sure how this benefits the Giants. I’m not ready to fire Judge but I also see little compelling evidence of achievement. Anyway, let the new GM decide if Judge should stay or go.
So, let’s get a gofundme to purchase the canon to fire Getty into the river!
Both starting corners are highly paid mercenaries because we try and fail to draft CBs over and over and over. Spend a walletful on Rudolph's fading talent then watch him have little to no impact on games.
No linebackers
No passrushers
Watching quality homegrown talent leave in free agency because you gotta have Kyle Rudolph and Adoree Jackson is bad management.
The bigger issue is the Giants have not been aggressive enough. They could have made a bold move and traded up for Mahomes, but probably got gun shy. They could have drafted Herbert and kept Jones, but that is too far against the norm.
Always reactive.
That is an UNBELIEVABLE failure.
You seem to be the one who repeats it everyday. We are getting the message that you don’t like the DJ pick but he may be our QB of the future.
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It needs to be repeated over and over that the Giants saw fit to pass on Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Justin Herbert.
That is an UNBELIEVABLE failure.
You seem to be the one who repeats it everyday. We are getting the message that you don’t like the DJ pick but he may be our QB of the future.
It doesn't make what he says any less valid. You don't have to like him repeating it to your annoyance, but the thread topic is a commentary on management.
Jones certainly has the ability to put up some very good games, but can he do it with any consistency? He was really wild early on Sunday. Sure, his OL didn't do him any favors, but he missed badly on throws where he had plenty of time. That's not a franchise QB.
The Giants are 1-4 and really should be 3-2. I'm of the opinion that you have some pieces in place. Jones is a workable solution at QB. WR group is decent. OL has some pieces in place. At this point Barkley is NOT getting a huge second contract...maybe you roll the dice and keep him around. On the defensive side of the ball you are kinda locked in to what you have and improvements are coming from the draft.
There might be too many cooks in the kitchen on the coaching staff. The weak link in the whole thing might actually be Joe Judge. It's easy to lay the blame on Garrett and Graham...but they are not on the field. Throw in Kitchens and the rest of the assistants...it's actually an experienced coaching staff.
The problem in my opinion lies in the front office and player acquisition decision making. The one constant over the past 10 years has been an undermanned OL and lack of a pass rush. The Giants are running a 3-4 with a poor LB core. Can the front office fix themselves?
I think my point is that outside of Dallas they have been a play or two away. The larger point is why this team has stunk over the past ten years. Lack of depth at OL and poor front 7.