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DannyDimes : 10/12/2021 7:42 am
Are we not just a linebacker, LEGIT pass rusher and an o-lineman away from being a serious contender? And BTW no team has a top all-22.

Stop with the "blow it up" comments/ It makes you look like a fool...
Yes  
Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 7:44 am : link
you are wrong.
Right now are are four OL short  
BillT : 10/12/2021 7:53 am : link
Now, if Peart proves he’s a player and Gates makes it back and Lemieux somehow shows he belongs then we might be one OL away. None if that we know now. And we are probably two good pass rushers short as Ojulari hasn’t proven himself, though he might, and we could use another good DL as well. And we could use another one or two top ILB as Martinez isn’t a lock to return at full strength.
Don't forget to add ....  
Route 9 : 10/12/2021 7:54 am : link
A running back, a tight end, a QB, a head coach and an offensive coordinator.
you don't have a QB Danny "Dimes"  
Debaser : 10/12/2021 7:57 am : link
I saw Carson Wentz play well in a collapsing pocket on MNF last night through pretty much the first half of the game. But there was this new and improved Wentz of all things stepping up taking hit; making throws, buying time, trying to get out of the grasp throwing TDs into tight windows
I would agree with you  
Chip : 10/12/2021 7:58 am : link
OL and a Pass rusher away. Probably 4 ol though.
When I say blow it up  
jeff57 : 10/12/2021 7:59 am : link
I mean the organization.
If Jones  
lecky : 10/12/2021 8:02 am : link
continues to improve. I dont think you are that far off. Offensively we have as many weapons as anyone now. Barring injuries. Biggest problem these days is the defense which needs more than 2 guys to be respectable. And with paying Bradberry and Williams $20 million each, and both are already having disappointing seasons, it will be a tough thing to improve upon
I agree more with Dimes  
stoneman : 10/12/2021 8:02 am : link
We are not that far off. The offense was elite 2 games ago, I don't even think we "need" Oline. Just need some fixes to the defense - LB/Edge. Everything will fall into place. Need Jones healthy though - no more running for awhile.
Even if this were true  
madeinstars : 10/12/2021 8:04 am : link
I have zero confidence in the current FO to provide those things, so we should still blow it up.

That being said: we are missing at least 2/3 O-linemen, 2 pass rushers, a tight end, a safety, a running back, an OC. The HC and DC are TBD, as are the QB and most of the highly paid FA's.
I think  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2021 8:05 am : link
it is new OC, new DC, Edge or 2, ol or 3, ilb..

Team needs more than i thought going into the season, i dont think the oline has been terrible, i think Solder made it look a lot worse by getting beat on every single pass play..

Defense is really getting killed because the lack of pass rush, last year they were able to mask it a little bit by blitzing and getting home. This year it feels like less blitzing or thry jist arent getting home, Peppers and Ryan were really good on blitzes last year..

I love Martinez but they need another ILB that is athletic and can go sideline to sideline, the lb corps just lacks athleticism and todays game you need athelticism at backer..

other than that sure we are close
Yes  
Mike in NY : 10/12/2021 8:06 am : link
We can’t cover anybody and our coaching staff seems content playing not to lose. The rules make defense impossible so we should be going all out to score TD’s on offense, not settle for Gano FG attempts.
RE: I agree more with Dimes  
Route 9 : 10/12/2021 8:11 am : link
In comment 15410145 stoneman said:
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We are not that far off. The offense was elite 2 games ago, I don't even think we "need" Oline. Just need some fixes to the defense - LB/Edge. Everything will fall into place. Need Jones healthy though - no more running for awhile.


Uh huh. Yeah. Been hearing that the Giants "aren't far off" for years and they keep picking in the top 10 (or near it) for years.

Don't mean to sound sophisticated but... they're still the dog shit of the NFL.

1-4. 1-4 is a bad record. Just in case you didn't know.
Yes you're wrong  
rsjem1979 : 10/12/2021 8:11 am : link
Even if the Giants were currently only a few players away from being contenders, that's not how it works year-to-year in the NFL.

They would need to add those players, plus replace others who are in decline, along with players who leave the team in the off-season for a variety of reasons. You need to do all this within the confines of the salary cap.

Good teams do this by planning ahead, not the Giants "whack-a-mole" approach to off-season roster construction.
This team  
JonC : 10/12/2021 8:12 am : link
still has one win and shows few signs of being able to string wins together, let alone be a contender.
RE: I agree more with Dimes  
rsjem1979 : 10/12/2021 8:15 am : link
In comment 15410145 stoneman said:
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We are not that far off. The offense was elite 2 games ago, I don't even think we "need" Oline. Just need some fixes to the defense - LB/Edge. Everything will fall into place. Need Jones healthy though - no more running for awhile.


"The offense was elite two games ago" is one of the most ridiculously shortsighted things I've ever seen.
......  
Route 9 : 10/12/2021 8:17 am : link
I wish Toney took a swing at some of the BBI members on this thread instead.
RE: RE: I agree more with Dimes  
Gruber : 10/12/2021 8:25 am : link
In comment 15410162 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 15410145 stoneman said:


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We are not that far off. The offense was elite 2 games ago, I don't even think we "need" Oline. Just need some fixes to the defense - LB/Edge. Everything will fall into place. Need Jones healthy though - no more running for awhile.



"The offense was elite two games ago" is one of the most ridiculously shortsighted things I've ever seen.


It's exactly a year since the Giants scored more than 30 points in a game. That's how elite our offense is.
Call it a hunch  
cjd2404 : 10/12/2021 8:32 am : link
but by Nov 1, I Wilson will be in the rotation and week after the bye, will be our starting RG. -- all this assuming he has his mental troubles under control. That + Gates's health will go a long way in determining if we draft OL early.
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Route 9 : 10/12/2021 8:36 am : link
There should be a ceremony at the stadium when the Giants score 30 points or more.
We clearly can't stay healthy  
Johnny5 : 10/12/2021 8:47 am : link
Seems like with everyone healthy on the OL we have the pieces. We can always be better but seems like they are gelling under Sale. We need a good TE, the OL to keep solidifying, but it's pretty clear our biggest need before injury is at least one, ONE MF'er that can rush the passer. We have no pass rush and the guys we have are not playing the run very well either.

I would tend to agree with you But it's all academic because for whatever reason we can't stay healthy.

I am not sure I can watch the games for a while, I have to take a break. And the "I'm smaht, I told you so" crew are driving me fucking nuts right now, so I may have to take a break from all the sky is falling posting, it's just not worth the aggravation.. lol
Oh yes.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/12/2021 8:56 am : link
I wouldn't call anyone stupid.

Gonna keep the handle no matter what?...
RE: RE: RE: I agree more with Dimes  
rsjem1979 : 10/12/2021 9:16 am : link
In comment 15410174 Gruber said:
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It's exactly a year since the Giants scored more than 30 points in a game. That's how elite our offense is.


It's truly sad that in a league where teams are regularly putting up 30+ points, scoring 27 (in an overtime game) counts as elite for some fans of the NY Giants.

Ten teams averaged more than that in 2020.
rose colored glasses?  
richinpa : 10/12/2021 9:20 am : link
If you wearing the rose colored...yup..few players away.

But so is every team.

Sorry but I can't see it. IF we get lucky with the OL, Gates can play, Lemiux can also and the fattie kid from TEN we signed works out, then we have an OL....but thats like going to vegas and betting on red. So we have to draft at least 1-2 players for the OL

We have zero real LBs. Martinez is a year away to health. So start drafting there too!

CBs> we have drafted tons of CBs and paid out of the nose for 2 starting CBs. They are playing poorly or at least bradberry

safeties. === logan , mckinney and peppers. Peppers is gone but we don't have a real free safety.

We need a real TE. Rudolph is an overpaid, underwhelming fossil

We need a RB that can play alongside Barkley for now.

I can go on. We are not a few players away..sorry
Did somebody say our offense is "elite"?  
Producer : 10/12/2021 9:23 am : link
Do they know the meaning of that word?

We are bottom 3 in scoring in the NFC.

If we're an elite offense, then every team has an elite offense.
a new GM will come in and see...  
BillKo : 10/12/2021 9:39 am : link
...pieces/talent on offense to work with. Even some on the OL actually.

See a secondary that has a lot of capable bodies.

What we don't have is the DL/LBs and that certainly will be the focus IMO in the draft.

And of course mixing in other players at other spots, hopefully in a way that makes the team better.

I just wonder how a new GM and JJ is going to go over, because JJ is out.

I'd really like to see the Giants go outside the org, and a new GM is going to have not only ideas about how to build the team, but how it should be coached.
RE: a new GM will come in and see...  
BillKo : 10/12/2021 9:40 am : link
In comment 15410302 BillKo said:
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...pieces/talent on offense to work with. Even some on the OL actually.

See a secondary that has a lot of capable bodies.

What we don't have is the DL/LBs and that certainly will be the focus IMO in the draft.

And of course mixing in other players at other spots, hopefully in a way that makes the team better.

I just wonder how a new GM and JJ is going to go over, because JJ is out.

I'd really like to see the Giants go outside the org, and a new GM is going to have not only ideas about how to build the team, but how it should be coached.


I just wonder how a new GM and JJ is going to go over, because GETTLEMAN is out.
Someone on this thread looks like a fool,  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 9:42 am : link
I won't point out to the OP who it is.

I will point out that the OP posted a tl;dr thread calling out all of the naysayers about Jones, DG, the OL...after ONE WIN! So someone is the fool, it just isn't who the OP thinks it is.
RE: I agree more with Dimes  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15410145 stoneman said:
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We are not that far off. The offense was elite 2 games ago, I don't even think we "need" Oline. Just need some fixes to the defense - LB/Edge. Everything will fall into place. Need Jones healthy though - no more running for awhile.


"The offense was elite 2 games ago"? You can't be serious. We looked "elite" against the 31st ranked defense in the league, one that has given up 30 or more points 3x in 5 games. Our "elite" offense couldn't even get that.
lmao yeah, just a linebacker away  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/12/2021 9:47 am : link
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RE: Someone on this thread looks like a fool,  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/12/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15410312 Section331 said:
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I won't point out to the OP who it is.

I will point out that the OP posted a tl;dr thread calling out all of the naysayers about Jones, DG, the OL...after ONE WIN! So someone is the fool, it just isn't who the OP thinks it is.


Yeah, plenty of hot takes from some folks who just couldn't resist themselves after one win. Irrational exuberance.
I'm not sure how many "what ifs" need to be in place  
Beezer : 10/12/2021 10:04 am : link
for the OP NOT to be wrong.

We really don't have a running game. Sad as it is, and as much as I like Saquan, the resume he's building is one that - to me - looks like it has more potential for a "what if" career than for Canton or even the Ring of Honor. Just don't see that happening, at this point.

We seem to have one OL (Thomas). Kid is tough so for hi to sit Sunday, it must have been warranted. But our other best OL (Gates) may not ever be able to play again. It appears the rest of them are decent backups.

I really don't know what we are at TE. Engram is electric and frustrating and that does not appear to be changing after this many years in the league. Rudolph is good past his prime, so he's no longer VERY good. And Smith - no idea what to make of that guy. He LOOKS the part and we occasionally are thrilled, but then he goes back into his shell for 3/4 of a game.

D-line is under-performing. And one pass rusher? We currently have zero, outside of MAYBE the rookie LB, but who knows there?

Linebackers are thin, and that D-backfield is the most enigmatic grouping of athletes on a team I root for, maybe ever (in my rooting interest life, that is). So much talent individually, and so much potential, but they're under-performing badly. Is it chemistry? The scheme? I wouldn't pretend to have a good guess.

I think this team COULD be competitive (and frankly, has been until the Dallas debacle), but it'll take a hell of a lot more than just a sprinkling of players.

I don't expect to see a winning Giants team for at LEAST 2-3 years. Disappointing after the way last season ended.
Our defensive backfield is a mess.  
cosmicj : 10/12/2021 11:05 am : link
McKinney has been among the most disappointing players on the team - I was excited by what he looked like in 2020 and he is playing badly.

Bradberry may be done as a high-level CB. Adoree, while a decent player, is injury prone. Peppers’ play has dropped off a cliff from last season.

Julian Love was inserted into the starting lineup on Sunday because of disappointing play. I don’t think Holmes can really play in the NFL.

Given the draft and cap resources injected into this unit, this situation is - I use the word advisedly - a catastrophe.
No  
CV36 : 10/12/2021 11:06 am : link
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I think there’s talent on this team now.....  
Simms11 : 10/12/2021 11:09 am : link
Super Bowl talent, not so sure, but enough to be competitive and enough to win our Division. Problem right now is injuries. Secondly, Coordinators have not been putting their players in position to be successful and lastly, the players have been undisciplined and have not executed at critical junctures of the game.
We need more quality depth at every level  
mattlawson : 10/12/2021 11:21 am : link
Those are big needs yes. The roster needs to be continually built through good draft picks in the first 1-5 rounds. Our talent eval needs work. Coaching consistency is probably for the best so I don’t think we need to blow it up. Maybe some controlled burns here and there
Look at it this way, who on this roster  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 11:41 am : link
is someone you would not trade? Toney, Thomas, maybe Ojulari since he is young and cheap, maybe Jones if he can show that the NO and WFT games weren't mirages? Anyone else? That doesn't sound like a team that is close.
Yes  
TyreeHelmet : 10/12/2021 12:09 pm : link
You are wrong. Even if the Giants somehow got a stud Olineman, edge rusher and linebacker- they are still not close to being a "serious contender". Not to mention filling those positions are incredibly difficult to do. They have an uproven QB and coaching staff with other holes all over the field.

I have seen this every year recently from Giants fans. That they "just need 2 olineman and a stud edge rusher. Maybe a TE and Linebacker help". This front office has proven it cannot find that talent and that's not to mention the question marks left all over the roster.

The cupboard isn't bare but this team is nowhere close to being a contender. Let's try to be competitive weekly first...
RE: rose colored glasses?  
DannyDimes : 10/12/2021 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15410246 richinpa said:
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If you wearing the rose colored...yup..few players away.

But so is every team.

Sorry but I can't see it. IF we get lucky with the OL, Gates can play, Lemiux can also and the fattie kid from TEN we signed works out, then we have an OL....but thats like going to vegas and betting on red. So we have to draft at least 1-2 players for the OL

We have zero real LBs. Martinez is a year away to health. So start drafting there too!

CBs> we have drafted tons of CBs and paid out of the nose for 2 starting CBs. They are playing poorly or at least bradberry

safeties. === logan , mckinney and peppers. Peppers is gone but we don't have a real free safety.

We need a real TE. Rudolph is an overpaid, underwhelming fossil

We need a RB that can play alongside Barkley for now.

I can go on. We are not a few players away..sorry


Yep the Jets are 2-3 players away LOL.

Yes, you are wrong.  
Matt M. : 10/12/2021 8:04 pm : link
It's not close. And I say blow it up, meaning GM, coach, and staff.
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