I really don’t think there’s a market for some of our best players
Golladay can be traded but 70 mil?
I don’t think any one would want Evan EngrAm
I can see getting a third for jones
I guess Saquon would a second maybe
Would any one really want to trade for peppers?
Yes there would be a market for Peppers. With lots of hybrid defense being played, some team with secondary problems could use him
Yes there would be a market for Barkley. What would he do with a team like the Ravens along side Lamar. Now the Ravens like hardnose bullies at RB, but Harbaugh is freakin creative and would find away to get the ball to him to keep Lamar from being exposed. How about Rodgers and they way he loves to get the ball to the flats.
There is no market for the high priced toys because the Giants cannot afford to trade them because of dead money vs the CAP.
I think there a few of teams that would love to have Jones on the cheap for two more years.
The Giants need to 're-build' not demolish with no plan to re-build. If they had an owner with half-a-brain, this might happen... unfortunately they don't.
If you look at Overthecap.Com for 2022 we actually have quite a few players in this scenario such as Golladay, Leo and Adoree. We'd lose cap cutting them.
On the flip side you can create 8mil plus by moving on from Dixon and Rudolph.....
Nobody is paying for Leo. Don't want to go there with that drama and how it played out. Should have been DGs nail in coffin
Barkley- if he didn't sprain his ankle and started to come on , trade value would be good for a team like Baltimore. But he is damaged goods. I just don't see anyone jumping on this. could we get a second rounder? I would take it. We can get a good RB in Rd2
Engram and Slayton should be shopped to Arizona who needs a TE now and anyone needing a better #2 or #3 WR for slayton?
You just described half the DBs in the NFL...
The Giants need to 're-build' not demolish with no plan to re-build. If they had an owner with half-a-brain, this might happen... unfortunately they don't.
You would trade for draft picks and draft better. That is what rebuilding teams do. Yes while I agree gettle replaced reese's jag for many of his own ; he also relied basically on the free agent market to fill the void of veterans he jettisoned to replace them with basically young jags who can't play.
But that is in the past. At the end of the day you have a RB who is always hurt and rushes for about 60 yards on average; a QB who is basically a backup; and all you have is a tackle.
So you need a QB and a coach. Toney can stay just because he's a rookie and is the only decent thing I've seen since victor cruz.
You cant just blow it up after every losing season, giants have a lot of picks coming up, cap will continue to go up, how about just add to what the Gianta do have, rather than getting rid of their good players?
First thing people go to after a losing season is get rid of everybody, thats not how it works..
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is what got the Giants into this mess. They ditched mediocre players, only to replace them with higher paid mediocre players with 'good character'.
The Giants need to 're-build' not demolish with no plan to re-build. If they had an owner with half-a-brain, this might happen... unfortunately they don't.
You would trade for draft picks and draft better. That is what rebuilding teams do. Yes while I agree gettle replaced reese's jag for many of his own ; he also relied basically on the free agent market to fill the void of veterans he jettisoned to replace them with basically young jags who can't play.
But that is in the past. At the end of the day you have a RB who is always hurt and rushes for about 60 yards on average; a QB who is basically a backup; and all you have is a tackle.
So you need a QB and a coach. Toney can stay just because he's a rookie and is the only decent thing I've seen since victor cruz.
Yea and I',m sorry but Odell was niot a mediocre player. JPP was not either. Neither was jack rabbit and neither was Eli.
Leonard Williams is the 6th highest paid defensive player in the NFL. "Playing well" should be a given, what impact is he having?
Bear in mind, I'm not blaming Williams for being the player he's pretty much always been. I'm blaming the guy who paid him to be someone he's not.
They should have just eaten shit 3 or 4 years ago but I guess they're too proud and now the shit eating is constant.
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just proves that people just look at stats to prove their point rather than actually watch the game..He is playing well, just becajse he doesnt have 8 sacks doesnt mean he is not playing well..
Leonard Williams is the 6th highest paid defensive player in the NFL. "Playing well" should be a given, what impact is he having?
Bear in mind, I'm not blaming Williams for being the player he's pretty much always been. I'm blaming the guy who paid him to be someone he's not.
you know he is doubled on 90% of snaps right? he has the same amount of stats as Aaron Donald and no he is not aaron donald but the fsct remains..
Sacks are not the end all be all especially for a 3-4 defensice end
The time to build on what you had was long gone. Gettle blew that up, which looking back on it ; didn't seem like such a bad idea. I mean was 40 yr old Eli going to really win anything ? But this tram is so bad and is just so flawed at the fundamental level.
You have a tackle; that is it. You need a QB and a coach and need to jettison so overprived free agents and draft better with a lot of picks.
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just proves that people just look at stats to prove their point rather than actually watch the game..He is playing well, just becajse he doesnt have 8 sacks doesnt mean he is not playing well..
Leonard Williams is the 6th highest paid defensive player in the NFL. "Playing well" should be a given, what impact is he having?
Bear in mind, I'm not blaming Williams for being the player he's pretty much always been. I'm blaming the guy who paid him to be someone he's not.
you know he is doubled on 90% of snaps right? he has the same amount of stats as Aaron Donald and no he is not aaron donald but the fsct remains..
Sacks are not the end all be all especially for a 3-4 defensice end
So why did we pay him all that money to take up blockers? If that’s what his job is he isn’t doing it very well as the rest of the defense, particularly the edges, haven’t been getting home to the quarterback much.
Plus, he's a rental with no incentive to resign. Perfect for a playoff team. Probably would be a great Raven, I could see them using him perfectly.
He's certainly not resigning here so he's one guy (along with probably Shep) that I would move. Obviously Engram.
Not sure of Shep's contract though...
I disagree that there wouldn't be a market for Engram. He's in the last year of his deal, so there is no long term commitment. He can be a useful piece for a contender. You're not getting a top pick for him, but I could see a 4th or 5th.
As I said yesterday, everyone is available except for Toney, Thomas, Ojulari and probably Jones (although for a 1st rounder, I would seriously consider it).
The time to build on what you had was long gone. Gettle blew that up, which looking back on it ; didn't seem like such a bad idea. I mean was 40 yr old Eli going to really win anything ? But this tram is so bad and is just so flawed at the fundamental level.
You have a tackle; that is it. You need a QB and a coach and need to jettison so overprived free agents and draft better with a lot of picks.
The Jets took the Giants to the cleaners on the LW trade? Giants traded a 3rd and a 5th. LW made far more of an impact than most 3rd rounders. Whether you have a problem with the contract is another issue.
Stop pretending you don't.
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he got that salary because gettle was desperate to have some type of impact on defense and let the jets of all things take him to the cleaners. They had snacks harrison who pretty muched stopped the run to who I am sure is making a fraction of what leanard was.
The time to build on what you had was long gone. Gettle blew that up, which looking back on it ; didn't seem like such a bad idea. I mean was 40 yr old Eli going to really win anything ? But this tram is so bad and is just so flawed at the fundamental level.
You have a tackle; that is it. You need a QB and a coach and need to jettison so overprived free agents and draft better with a lot of picks.
The Jets took the Giants to the cleaners on the LW trade? Giants traded a 3rd and a 5th. LW made far more of an impact than most 3rd rounders. Whether you have a problem with the contract is another issue.
I guess yea but Leanard was going to become a free agent anyway so they bascially just gave away those pics for free and signed him anyway to some ridiculous deal.
People claiming Williams has stolen money jist look at sack numbers and nothing else, he has made some big plays on defense, just because he doesnt have a bunch of sacks doesnt mean he is playing bad
THey understand the fact that you can win games w/o paying far a RB.
I think there a few of teams that would love to have Jones on the cheap for two more years.
Like where? What would anyone do with a QB who doesn't throw TDs? I guess he could back up bridgewater in denver for a 3rd rnd pic?
They also play dofferent positions
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Had more pressures last week than Williams has all year.
They also play dofferent positions
So? If Williams job is to only eat up blockers whyd we pay him $25 million? Get to the quarterback
We might have said that about Ereck Flowers. He's a G for the ages now.
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Had more pressures last week than Williams has all year.
They also play dofferent positions
So? If Williams job is to only eat up blockers whyd we pay him $25 million? Get to the quarterback
Do we need to go through this again. He is not a classic get after it 4-3 DE.
He's providing poor value.
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Had more pressures last week than Williams has all year.
They also play dofferent positions
So? If Williams job is to only eat up blockers whyd we pay him $25 million? Get to the quarterback
Do we need to go through this again. He is not a classic get after it 4-3 DE.
But we're paying him for that.
“Blowing it up” isn’t the way to go. Proceeding analytically & insightfully is the way.
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Had more pressures last week than Williams has all year.
They also play dofferent positions
So? If Williams job is to only eat up blockers whyd we pay him $25 million? Get to the quarterback
Do we need to go through this again. He is not a classic get after it 4-3 DE.
Then why did we pay him $25 million?
Makes sense for this depressing franchise.
He's providing poor value.
You are not wrong, except that LWs statistics had been fairly constant, except last year he actually got sacks. His pressures and QB hits had been very close year after year and last year he managed to finish the deal. So yeah he had a "career" year.
I do not think he is getting his usual pressure and hits this season. However, FWIW, people did not think a big contract would turn him into Albert Haynesworth. And, IIRC, Sy said what makes LW so good will last through his contract because it is based on power, not quick twitch.
I do think what has hurt LW is the rest of the defense (or whatever Graham is trying to accomplish) is not working.
But overall, you are correct, he isn't playing up to $20 mill per no matter what the reason.
In TFLs - 3 (2017), 11 (2018), 2 (2019), 14 (2020)
In QB hits: 25 (2017), 20 (2018), 16 (2019), 30 (2020)
Tackles: 47 (2017), 42 (2018), 46 (2019), 57 (2020)
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just proves that people just look at stats to prove their point rather than actually watch the game..He is playing well, just becajse he doesnt have 8 sacks doesnt mean he is not playing well..
Leonard Williams is the 6th highest paid defensive player in the NFL. "Playing well" should be a given, what impact is he having?
Bear in mind, I'm not blaming Williams for being the player he's pretty much always been. I'm blaming the guy who paid him to be someone he's not.
you know he is doubled on 90% of snaps right? he has the same amount of stats as Aaron Donald and no he is not aaron donald but the fsct remains..
Sacks are not the end all be all especially for a 3-4 defensice end
So why did we pay him all that money to take up blockers? If that’s what his job is he isn’t doing it very well as the rest of the defense, particularly the edges, haven’t been getting home to the quarterback much.
DG has to go and take most of the scouts and FO with him.. need to modernize
“Blowing it up” isn’t the way to go. Proceeding analytically & insightfully is the way.
WHy? Are you scared of being a 0 win team instead of a 1 win team? Or aree we happy being a 6 win team for 3 more years while we play it safe?
If you look at Overthecap.Com for 2022 we actually have quite a few players in this scenario such as Golladay, Leo and Adoree. We'd lose cap cutting them.
On the flip side you can create 8mil plus by moving on from Dixon and Rudolph.....
OK fine you keep golladay then. New QB is going to need someone to throw to. so you might as well keep ross and Toney since he is cheap and a rookie respectively. So there is Thomas on top of that too.... But everyone else is gone.
I’d offer them up but the counteroffer would likely be way to low to use it to get anyone in the top 100.
But I’d still let it be known we are listening to offers.