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Trade Shepard?

CMicks3110 : 10/12/2021 9:03 am
It seems to me that if the season progresses as it seems to be that Shepard is a prime trade candidate. I think we could definitely get a 3rd for him from a contender, he doesn't have a huge cap number, and is under contract next season. Would steelers bite after losing JuJu?
Shep is a trade possibility  
KDavies : 10/12/2021 9:06 am : link
as are Slayton or Ross IMO.

Steelers need to turn things around to be a match. They have 1 more win than the Giants, with an aging QB who came in the league the same year as Eli. They don't need to be trading high picks. Plus they still have Claypool, Johnson, Harris, etc.
I disagree  
Bleedblue10 : 10/12/2021 9:07 am : link
We need more players like Shep not less. Slayton absolutely, even Ross but I would keep Shep in blue
RE: I disagree  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/12/2021 9:08 am : link
In comment 15410216 Bleedblue10 said:
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We need more players like Shep not less. Slayton absolutely, even Ross but I would keep Shep in blue


He’s injured every single year. You can set your clock to it. The guy is talented but he does nothing when he’s on the bench, which he is every year
Can the trade Shep  
section125 : 10/12/2021 9:08 am : link
and stay under the CAP?
Shep is a contributor... but,  
BamaBlue : 10/12/2021 9:09 am : link
he's also frequently injured. He's one concussion away from retirement... not sure the trade value will be as great as many of us think.
Shepard should be made available as well. Some good  
NYGgolfer : 10/12/2021 9:11 am : link
qualities but too often injured, overpaid and Toney should be taking his targets going forward. 3rd round sounds too high though.
The Steelers, I don't think Ju Ju was exactly a big loss for them,  
barens : 10/12/2021 9:12 am : link
but I'd very much like to see Shepard and Toney play together, along with Barkley.
RE: Shepard should be made available as well. Some good  
section125 : 10/12/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15410224 NYGgolfer said:
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qualities but too often injured, overpaid and Toney should be taking his targets going forward. 3rd round sounds too high though.


They'd be lucky for a 6th or 7th...
Ross? hahahaha  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2021 9:14 am : link
No one is trading anything for John Ross. The Giants signed him out of a dumpster.
$12M for Shep 2022?  
richinpa : 10/12/2021 9:14 am : link
I looked at over the cap...does he really get 12M?

Not sure the impact if we can trade him and does that assume they are getting hsi contract which they can redo.

He is often injured...love his tenacity and what he does for DJ. BUT...we aren't 2-3 players away :-)

While Slayton is cheap , he is odd man out to me or Ross right now. Prefer to keep Ross as Slayton has the dropsies.
Maybe a 5th. Can't be more than that.  
NYGgolfer : 10/12/2021 9:17 am : link
A player for player deal might be more valuable, LB or young RB.
There has to be someone willing to take him  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/12/2021 9:17 am : link
Right now outside of maybe the Steelers or even Cleveland there's not really a team in need of his skill set.
For a 3rd it might make sense.....  
George from PA : 10/12/2021 9:19 am : link
But not for the likely 6th/7th rder.

Golladay, Toney, Ross, Slayton, Shepard, and Johnson are a solid grouping.

We won't need cap room next year....we do not need to get younger...we have several draft picks and we need to keep talent
Trade him before  
thedogfather : 10/12/2021 9:19 am : link
he gets injured again.
Yes  
90.Cal : 10/12/2021 9:19 am : link
He's played really well this year but he's ALWAYS hurt. If someone makes the offer just take it. KT, KG, Slayton and even Ross should do in 2022 (would have to re-sign Ross, but I would).
Hurt too much...  
BillKo : 10/12/2021 9:31 am : link
...and honestly, after watching someone the talent of Toney - I think Sheppard holds back the offense to some degree.

He was good with Eli moving the sticks as the slot receiver but it's obviously different now.
No trade value  
averagejoe : 10/12/2021 9:36 am : link
He is always hurt and has zero YAC when healthy. An average slot guy. Could get a 6th rd pick by why bother.
I like Shep, but who is giving up  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 9:40 am : link
anything of value for him? A good player, but he cannot stay healthy.
RE: No trade value  
HomerJones45 : 10/12/2021 9:40 am : link
In comment 15410290 averagejoe said:
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He is always hurt and has zero YAC when healthy. An average slot guy. Could get a 6th rd pick by why bother.
Yes, but no one is going to trade for him, not with his contract. He should have been cut in the spring and replaced with a cheaper option with maybe some upside. He's a good guy, steadily average, no upside and of no concern whatsoever to the opposition.
He needs to be gone  
give66 : 10/12/2021 9:40 am : link
You have to start Toney and Shepard is not suited for outside.
Poor roster construction drafting a slot in the 1st round when you're already paying one big bucks.
if the season continues south they should listen on anyone  
Eric on Li : 10/12/2021 9:45 am : link
who is not Jones/Thomas/Toney/Ojulari.
I think they keep Shep  
JonC : 10/12/2021 9:51 am : link
I'd slow the roll on Toney, he needs to keep producing and also demonstrate he's got his head screwed on right.

Not seeing a lot of trade value in the WR crew. Slayton is wildly inconsistent, Ross has issues staying healthy, Giants love Shep.
RE: if the season continues south they should listen on anyone  
Dnew15 : 10/12/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15410316 Eric on Li said:
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who is not Jones/Thomas/Toney/Ojulari.



You wouldn't take a 1st rd pick for Jones right now?
no reason not to trade Shep, IMO  
bigbluehoya : 10/12/2021 9:55 am : link
even just 2 weeks of watching Toney has mate it even more glaringly obvious to me that when you have a player whose value is derived almost exclusively out of the slot, you need that guy to be dangerous after the catch.

I think Shepard is a useful player in the league for sure, but that contract is off-market for the intersection of his skill-set and injury tendency.
Shep is kindof a leader  
mattlawson : 10/12/2021 9:56 am : link
He warms up with Danny Dimes, he leads the WR group in a way. May want to rethink that
I think they take  
fkap : 10/12/2021 10:03 am : link
a massive additional cap hit if they trade him this year, which they can't afford.
Next year, they save 4 + million by getting rid of him. He's worth that to keep, but he may end up a cap casualty.


We should be looking to rid ourselves of dead wood - players who offer low value for their cost. We should not look to get rid of assets who are anywhere near their value, unless they are not part of the plan going forward.
That’s my point exactly  
Bleedblue10 : 10/12/2021 10:06 am : link
I agree he’s always injured and I agree he’s not as good as Toney but he’s a leader and his voice carries weight in that locker room. They need more guys like that not less
I know Toney is way more dynamic  
Bleedblue10 : 10/12/2021 10:07 am : link
But when put back to his original slot position full time Shep wasn’t exactly playing like some scrub either. He’s reliable a menace in the middle of the field
I just don't get the Shep love...  
Dnew15 : 10/12/2021 10:13 am : link
He's never had more than 66 catches in a season.
Never had more than 875 yards receiving.
He did have 8 TD his rookie season - but that was in 2016. Since then his tops in a season is 4.
In his 6 seasons - he has only played every game twice.

He current contract ranks as the 19th most expensive in the league according to Sportrac ....

I'm not sure who's trading for that.
No one on the team is untouchable  
Dinger : 10/12/2021 10:15 am : link
Untradeable yes. But there is no one who we have to keep on this team. I am a DJ proponent, but his injury history makes him replaceable. I love the mobility but unfortunatly for him it is also his downfall. Barkley I love the guys personality and heart, but another one who has been injured every year on the team. Two biggest 'stars' and neither is a keeper. We will wind up moving forward with them and if they can somehow stay healthy maybe we win some games. Truly whats baffling right now is the money we put into the defense in the offseason and somehow perfomance is worse, after 'upgrading'.
And that was even when we were healthy there.
RE: I think they keep Shep  
AcidTest : 10/12/2021 10:25 am : link
In comment 15410327 JonC said:
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I'd slow the roll on Toney, he needs to keep producing and also demonstrate he's got his head screwed on right.

Not seeing a lot of trade value in the WR crew. Slayton is wildly inconsistent, Ross has issues staying healthy, Giants love Shep.


^This. I also don't see the Giants getting anything more than low round picks for Slayton or Shepard. Too low to justify trading them, especially given all the picks we have next year. Ross has no trade value IMO.
Trading Shepard  
madeinstars : 10/12/2021 10:25 am : link
In season is impossible, because they would incur a 6 million dead cap penalty this year. That would put them 3 million over the cap for 2021.

This off season trading Shep will give 4 million of cap relieve, but it will carry a 8 million cap penalty as well.

Thanks DG and Abraham, for these amazing contracts.
Shepard  
AcidTest : 10/12/2021 10:30 am : link
is a tough, underneath, possession WR who plays bigger than his size. He always plays hard. Jones also clearly has a rapport with him. He doesn't have breakaway speed. That's not his game. He moves the chains.

Slot WRs that play underneath and over the middle are more likely to get hurt because they get hit more often than their outside counterparts.
No one wants Shepherd  
Giants73 : 10/12/2021 10:47 am : link
Nice player for Giants but no one is going to trade for him.
who the hell wants shep  
GiantsFan84 : 10/12/2021 11:48 am : link
guy is always (and currently hurt). his production when healthy has been average at best. and his contract is way too high for a player of his value.
RE: RE: if the season continues south they should listen on anyone  
Debaser : 10/12/2021 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15410330 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 15410316 Eric on Li said:


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who is not Jones/Thomas/Toney/Ojulari.




You wouldn't take a 1st rd pick for Jones right now?


A first for JONES? hell yes! you're really looking at a 3rd which I am ok with becuase he is pretty much the #1 thing wrong for this team
Don’t trade Shep  
5BowlsSoon : 10/12/2021 1:46 pm : link
Golladay is a China doll. We need more than just Toney.
Looking at Shepard's contract,  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 1:56 pm : link
wow, it is brutal. I'd love to see DG apologists defend that one. As I said, I like Shep, but you do not pay a slot WR that kind of money. His cap hit is 2.5M next year with $8M in dead money. NO ONE is trading for that contract unless NYG buy out a big chunk of it. Oof.
RE: Looking at Shepard's contract,  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15410872 Section331 said:
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wow, it is brutal. I'd love to see DG apologists defend that one. As I said, I like Shep, but you do not pay a slot WR that kind of money. His cap hit is 2.5M next year with $8M in dead money. NO ONE is trading for that contract unless NYG buy out a big chunk of it. Oof.


Sorry, cap hit is $12.5M, not $2.5M.
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