Are the giants finally at rock bottom.

"It's hard to suck this long?"

You had better review the last decade or so and note the bottom-feeders that have stayed bad for a long, long time.

We have the same record as the Jets over the last three years. The Lions are better than the Giants.

It could get worse, and I don't trust ownership to be able to correct course.

and won't be until management acknowledges where they are and that ain't gonna happen.

In comment 15410267 Eric from BBI said:

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"It's hard to suck this long?" You had better review the last decade or so and note the bottom-feeders that have stayed bad for a long, long time. We have the same record as the Jets over the last three years. The Lions are better than the Giants.

Agreed Eric. Look at WFT who used to be a standard bearer for the NFL and now has been mired in mediocrity for decades. The Browns, Dolphins, Bengals, you dam right this can continue and we could or could not be at rock bottom.

We’ve been a very bad franchise for a decade now. The Getty years do seem to me to be the darkest I can remember. Even in the years between Simms and Eli there were some bright spots. But, yeah, I think we’re are the bottom of the toilet now. Sadly through, there’s no good indication we’re getting out of this mess any time soon. Best case is a new GM next year and another retrofit or, more likely, another rebuild. Unless we hit on a legit GM the Giants could easily be in the toilet for another decade. Or more. Look at the Jets. You don’t think they want to win?

we can keep allowing DG to make decisions and resign Saquon to crazy money to start.

an Arizona Cardinals-style awakening.

Bite the bullet and make the necessary changes now. Starting with letting Gettleman go immediately and getting a modern NFL GM.

Let them decide who stays/goes. Get as many draft picks as we can and start an actual rebuild for once.

But if we are comparing against last year we are better at this point than we were at last year record wise 1-4 vs. 0-5... The problem is there were some expectation this year, and last year there were none.

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The way the league is setup for parity its almost hard to suck for this long we pick from the same pool of players and coaches as all other teams.

When your methods are outdated and the people making the decisions aren't good at it, it's actually quite easy to suck for this long.

The league is set up for parity, but if you're consistently making poor decisions with asset management, cap allocation, talent evaluation, and roster construction, you will consistently lose. The Giants are a poorly run football team.

Team can't win. Expensive guys all over the roster. Injuries piling up everywhere. Major contract decisions to be made on guys the Front Office are tied to. Bloom coming off the rose that is the Head Coach.

Most optimistic aspect are the two first round picks next year.

but I am actually optimistic going forward. I think we have three pieces we can build around. Jones at QB, Thomas at LT, and Toney at WR. We will have two first round picks where we can sure up the OL. We still need ERs and LBs that could improve our DB. I don't think we are that far off from a turnaround, I know it does not appear that way now, but I do think in some strange way, the arrow is pointing up after this season. I also think getting a new GM will help.

2013: starting 0-6
2014: blown lead in Jax to fall to 3-9
2017: Eli/Geno debacle
2018: starting 1-7; Odell ESPN interview
2019: starting 2-11
2020: blown lead in Philly
2021: WFT, ATL losses; injuries in Dallas

So depressing.

look at the upcoming schedule!

In comment 15410328 JonC said:

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look at the upcoming schedule!

THIS.

In comment 15410328 JonC said:

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look at the upcoming schedule!

Not sure what rock bottom is defined. This year is lost and the record will get worse, but I do think in a crazy way, we are turning this around. Not sure Judge is the right coach and DG will not be the GM (thankfully), but I do think there are some ingredients here that will have the arrow up.

In comment 15410267 Eric from BBI said:

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"It's hard to suck this long?" You had better review the last decade or so and note the bottom-feeders that have stayed bad for a long, long time. We have the same record as the Jets over the last three years. The Lions are better than the Giants.

I think the teams that suck for as long as the giants have are the exception more than the norm.

fingers and business decisions get made on the field..like avoiding tackling to not get injured.

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look at the upcoming schedule!

The Cowboys would have dropped 51 on us if not for Dak’s red zone fumble.

I think the Rams will hit that threshold.

you need to embrace the tank and get THE top pick at least once.

and I don't mean throw games, but I mean give up the charade you can compete, remove all valuable assets, and blow it up - FO, coaching, players - and the key is WITH THE RIGHT DECISION MAKER

until then, no, not rock bottom

In comment 15410336 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15410328 JonC said: Quote: look at the upcoming schedule! THIS.

Agreed. But the plethora of bad contracts and lack of cap room means that our problems will likely persist at least throughout 2022. The only good news is that we have a lot of draft picks next year. But most rookies take at least a year to really begin to produce. And that assumes that they do. The NFL graveyard is full of first round busts.

The end result is that 2022 could be just or nearly as bad as this season.

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I think the Rams will hit that threshold.

It won't be for a lack of trying, since we already know Sean McVey has a longstanding personal grudge against the Giants.

Rock bottom is if we finish the year 5-3 and run it back.

Scrimmage us……don’t need their punters to suit up….this is a disaster, or it will do till the disaster gets here. DG might as well have our players wearing leather headgear and broadcast our games in kinoscope….look at the cardinals offense, compare it to nyg 3 and out strategy. Not even close.

Although I’m not sure how it can possibly get worse.

"Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you."

in 2019. Last year gave me a little hope, and I THOUGHT this was the year where we would finally see the team making a turn. Unfortunately for us Giants fans, the turn was south. My biggest fear, just as others have stated, is this team putting it together after a 1-9 start, just playing well enough to not make any changes.

Not really. There have been a number of teams that never seem to get better. Giants are now in that category.

In comment 15410402 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15410328 JonC said: Quote: look at the upcoming schedule!

lol

of this team. That’s going to now have to be a priority going forward. Not so sure Graham is putting his players in position to be successful?! Self scouting probably won’t happen until the Bye and by then we could be 1-8?!

If Jones is a legitimate NFL QB, then the main ingredient in building a team is there. On the other hand, if Terps is right about Jones, then they have to start a complete rebuild going forward. I think either way Gettleman is gone. The problem going forward is the problem they’ve had since the end of Eli. It was ridiculous to have a $23 million QB sitting on the bench for virtually an entire year. Similarly, it was ridiculous to sign all the high priced free agents and leave severe holes on the team unaddressed. If this team was going to compete this year, and that was clearly the plan, last years draft should have been done differently. When the Eagles drafted Smith, the pick had to be Slater or Parsons, either one of who would have addressed a major need on the team that was ultimately a major factor in why the team is bad now. Getting Toney was good as was getting a 1st round pick next year but realistically, help was badly needed at both the OL and LB and pass rush now.

at the front office changes.

Giants FO has "ideas" about how things should be at an administrative level to the detriment of the team.

They paid LW and let DT walk cuz they "owed LW" and not Tomlinson. They paid Kyle Rudolph anyway to the same deal after it was known that he's damaged goods.....what team does that? They cut players because they smoke pot, or won't consider them in the 1st place. They get rid of players b/c they kick football kicking nets. They cut serviceable CB's b/c of an inappropriate tweets. They won't sign a 21st century running gunning QB instead insisting on pocket passers.

Get rid of all ownership who has anything to do with football team operations and hire a "football operations" person instead. The Mara's and Tisch's need to be "hands off". Nobody that has Mara or Tisch in their bloodline should have a damn thing to say about anything.
Either that or sell the team. Until one of these things happen, we are in for much much more suffering.

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They paid Kyle Rudolph anyway to the same deal after it was known that he's damaged goods

This one is still the move that makes me literally laugh in disbelief. They sign a soon to be 32 year old tight end, then they find out he needs foot surgery.....and they don't change a thing in the contract and just sign him anyway. Just unbelievable.

Who'll be the next coach,the Capital One guy?

"Hey Mara,hiring me is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions"

Mara: Bill? is that you?

Um, you obviously weren't around in the 1970's. Trust me, there are a WHOLE other levels of suck the team isn't near yet

Mara simply isn't capable of digging out of this pit...like his father wasn't. And this time, unless Tisch grows a spine (doubtful), the NFL won't step in

more games out there to lose. 1-16 looks a hell of a lot worse on paper than 3-13 (the 2017 teams record for most losses in a season in franchise history).

But to me, personally, the malaise of hopelessness that has settled around everything Giants the past 7-8 years is rock bottom to me. The losing doesn't bother me all that much anymore. I'm becoming more apathetic and indifferent with each loss, mostly because I expect them. I am starved for a meaningful Giants game. 2016 was a mirage from a group of one-year-wonders. I feel like we're lost in a second coming of The Wilderness Years, and a handful of fluke wins in the record this season won't change that. The 2021 season was DOA before the end of September. As fun as the win last week was in New Orleans, it was an anomaly. The Giants, as a franchise, need an exorcism before anything changes.

But more out of habit. I am completely apathetic about this franchise right now. And more often than I like to admit...I am laughing at the ineptitude.

Between the high stepping of Zeke, taunting of KT and Cox posting about his taking down of DJ on Instagram we need to give them some payback. That was embarrassing from a division rival. If Judge can’t get some retribution from this team for that ass whipping he shouldn’t be back here next year.

DG and Garrett coming back would be rock bottom for this year. Overall rock bottom would be promoting from within and more silly/stupid GM moves in the years to come

In comment 15410985 joe48 said:

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Between the high stepping of Zeke, taunting of KT and Cox posting about his taking down of DJ on Instagram we need to give them some payback.

Payback? From these guys? Are you serious??? Name the last game the defense or offense went out and kicked butt. Yep, it was THAT long ago!!!

The golf clubs will be out soon for the guys who will make "business decisions". If there was any game to circle, it should be the Eagles game since they tanked that one for a better draft choice, and kept the Giants out of the playoffs. I'm in not holding my breath for this crew.

that next season will be any better.

I almost hope they go 1-16 and get their doors blown off week after week. Maybe then John will realize a COMPLETE change in what they are doing is necessary. He’s very concerned about optics. It’s his most sensitive point. Maybe having the optics SO bad that Tisch comes in and says “John it’s time we do things differently”, will spur him to get a real football guy in and step away. It’s our only shot.