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cjac : 10/12/2021 12:00 pm
who is going to attend yet another disaster this Sunday, I decided to go back and look to see how many wins i've witnessed live and in person for the last 5 seasons (starting in 2017)


The Giants have won 9 of the last 34 home games, 3 of those wins were in 2020, with no fans.

So since the start of the 2017 season, the Giants have 6 wins at home, with fans in attendance. So i went back to look at those wins. One of them was a victory over Kansas City in 2017, and I realized I wasnt at that game.

So i've seen the Giants win 5 games in 5 seasons.

I guess I should feel lucky .....been one since '84 🤣  
George from PA : 10/12/2021 12:05 pm : link
Certainly not enough home playoff games.....


Also, I have gotten tired of standing up every defensive 3rd down.....to only witness another 1st down by the opponents
RE: I guess I should feel lucky .....been one since '84 🤣  
cjac : 10/12/2021 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15410617 George from PA said:
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Certainly not enough home playoff games.....


Also, I have gotten tired of standing up every defensive 3rd down.....to only witness another 1st down by the opponents


The thing that bothers me the most is watching the opposing fans celebrate week after week.

Since flying back from Indianapolis in Feb 2012 i've been living a nightmare.
I've missed the last game of the season in 2 of the last few years  
crackerjack465 : 10/12/2021 12:10 pm : link
I missed the 2017 game vs Washington and Eli's last game vs Miami

So I've seen 4 in 5 years. I sit in section 128, tickets are around $137 a game.

You can do the math per win. It'll make me sick.
Luckily sold this weekend’s game  
aimrocky : 10/12/2021 12:10 pm : link
Wish I could sell the rest of them.
RE: I've missed the last game of the season in 2 of the last few years  
cjac : 10/12/2021 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15410632 crackerjack465 said:
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I missed the 2017 game vs Washington and Eli's last game vs Miami

So I've seen 4 in 5 years. I sit in section 128, tickets are around $137 a game.

You can do the math per win. It'll make me sick.


I'm right next to you dude, i'm in 129
how about a ticket burning party in the parking lot?!  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2021 12:12 pm : link
oh wait.......
kudos to you  
The Jake : 10/12/2021 12:16 pm : link
for sticking with it.

we had season tickets in my family for many, many years, but we could no longer justify the expense or the effort.

I now go to one game per season with my son, and I view it more as character and experience-building for him than I am expecting to win.
Sell tix  
noro9 : 10/12/2021 12:18 pm : link
To highest bidder? A stadium full of Rams fans might send a message.
I am an old timer  
Beer Man : 10/12/2021 12:21 pm : link
and was a Giants fan in the dog days of the 70's, so I have seen and experienced a lot of disappointment with this team. Back then the Mara's and Tisch's were at odds and it was one of the worst run organizations. I now feel history repeating itself with Mara/Tisch kids now running the team.
I was at one game in the last 15 years.  
Dinger : 10/12/2021 12:22 pm : link
Eli's last game/victory over the Dolphins. It was my sons first and a Christmas present for him (early). He wants to go back and I have absolutely no desire. That stadium sucks, the team sucks and I can't see giving the Mara's any more money than they already get for a shitty product. I wish nothing but the best for you season ticket holders. Somehow... a lawsuit getting you your PSL money back or something...loyal fans getting jacked by the Mara's has been a team tradition going on 50 years.
wasn't the KC Win  
upstatenyg : 10/12/2021 12:30 pm : link
9 - 6 in OT? That was an amazing game...

The road ahead is rough with 6 home games left for STH, including the next 2 weeks at home.

Next winnable game, if that, is LVR. Sad. This used to be worth something.
Earned Value  
Devour the Day : 10/12/2021 12:33 pm : link
That is some "earned value" you got there cjac from Johhny Boy's Giants. Disgraceful.

Every year at this time when our beloved Gmen are shitting the bed already in mid October I thank the good lord for providing me insight and guidance as I refused to pay $30K for the bend over ass plunging the PSL presented. Couple in a 3x increase in ticket prices, the BS parking debacle, traffic/time commuting to the MetLife toaster oven and I count my blessings. Best business decision I ever made.

Cjac....you should write Johnny Boy and thank him for all that value and cost per victory his underperforming mismanaged and coached product has provided you. Again....disgraceful.
yeah I was thinking about this same thing  
Giants86 : 10/12/2021 12:34 pm : link
on Sunday night.
And most of those wins since 2017 were meaningless ones.
Its mind boggling the ineptitude....
My daughter now 13, doesn't remember our SB in 2011.
She asked me the other night, have the Giants ever been good?
RE: I am an old timer  
steve in ky : 10/12/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15410662 Beer Man said:
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and was a Giants fan in the dog days of the 70's, so I have seen and experienced a lot of disappointment with this team. Back then the Mara's and Tisch's were at odds and it was one of the worst run organizations. I now feel history repeating itself with Mara/Tisch kids now running the team.


The Mara’s weren’t at odds with the Tisch’s but with each other. Wellington and his nephew Tim were feuding and then it was Time who sold his 50% to the Tisch family. By all accounts the Mara’s and Tisch families get along fine.
RE: I am an old timer  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/12/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15410662 Beer Man said:
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and was a Giants fan in the dog days of the 70's, so I have seen and experienced a lot of disappointment with this team. Back then the Mara's and Tisch's were at odds and it was one of the worst run organizations. I now feel history repeating itself with Mara/Tisch kids now running the team.


Yeah, um, Tisch didn't buy his share of the Giants until 1990 so this doesn't quite add up.
Going on Sunday...first game in about 5 years for me  
Gap92 : 10/12/2021 12:48 pm : link
My best friend is a Rams fan and we've been looking forward to it for a long time. Well, he's still looking forward to it...it will likely be a solemn affair for me.

Who wil Mara turn the franchise over to?  
Koffman : 10/12/2021 12:51 pm : link
John Mara is around 70 years old. Who will he be turning over ownership of the Giants to when he passes? His only son John Jr. doesnt appear interested. Would Tisch buyout a portion and become majority owner?
we should run a collection here  
upstatenyg : 10/12/2021 1:03 pm : link
I think we would do a better job. Every time we think it can't get worse it does.
So options are  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/12/2021 1:07 pm : link
to not go or take a huge loss on resell of tickets? Um no. I am pissed as shit at the woeful product on the field but I would have to be a complete moron to just not go or sell my tickets at a loss. Regardless, it is still a day out and a routine I love each home game. Paid my $3000, might as well get out of the house for the afternoon.
The loyalty and strong emotions of long time season ticket holders  
Giants61 : 10/12/2021 1:08 pm : link
and fans are being exploited to their benefit by the Mara/Tisch families and FO management. I'm sure seeing Mara throw a chair made everyone feel better. I feel we will not see any improvement anytime soon. At age 74 I don't expect to see another winner in my lifetime.
If I still lived in NJ  
mpinmaine : 10/12/2021 1:13 pm : link
I would be there Sunday win or lose.
I’ll go to the Panther game and that’s  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2021 1:15 pm : link
Probably it for the year. Not sitting in the cold for this shit.
But if I was a season ticket holder  
mpinmaine : 10/12/2021 1:16 pm : link
my contribution to this thread would be similar to many of the posts above..what with the PSL's and continued losing.
RE: So options are  
BillKo : 10/12/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15410748 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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to not go or take a huge loss on resell of tickets? Um no. I am pissed as shit at the woeful product on the field but I would have to be a complete moron to just not go or sell my tickets at a loss. Regardless, it is still a day out and a routine I love each home game. Paid my $3000, might as well get out of the house for the afternoon.


I see it a bit different, I'll take the loss because going is a FULL DAY....and the product sucks right now to be honest. Esp with DJ probably out this week.

If I can get half my money back, to me it's a win.

But I'll be there this week.
I sold the tickets...  
EricJ : 10/12/2021 1:33 pm : link
...
Sold..  
BigBlue89 : 10/12/2021 1:34 pm : link
Took a $30 loss and happy it's that small.

I'm going to sell everything except the Eagles game, gotta give Strahan his due.
I feel for you.  
truebluelarry : 10/12/2021 1:43 pm : link
Being a 3rd generation season ticket holder, it was tough giving up the tickets after the 2009 season with the move to MetLife. Missing the 2011 season with Victor Cruz and the home playoff game had me watching from home with mixed feelings, I really wished I could have been there, but I haven't felt anything remotely close to that since. I don't regret my decision at all. The PSL ripoff and other associated costs of going to the game make it nearly impossible for a working fan to attend on a regular basis (the past few season at Giants Stadium I used to split the tickets with my 2 sisters to defray the cost).

And I'm not one of those people who says watching in the comfort of my home on hi-def TV is better, because it is not. There is nothing like being in the stadium watching live. I'll take that over TV any day, regardless of the weather.

Since 2021 I get my live football fix at Michie Stadium watching the Black Knights. You get all the fun and a fraction of the cost (and Army has been a good team the past five-six years which makes it even better).
Count me as one of the it's better at home people  
arniefez : 10/12/2021 2:06 pm : link
with HDTV, no commute both ways, no drunks, etc. I'll never go to another sporting event in the NYC are. I used to go to dozens of games every year. Those days are over.
Koffman  
arniefez : 10/12/2021 2:14 pm : link
Tim McDonnell appears to be next in line. He is Susan Mara's son. She is the second oldest Mara child after John. Tim McDonnell is currently the Co-Director of Player Personnel. His uncle Chris Mara is the SR VP of Player Personnel.

Knowing how hands on John Mara is, hiring the head coaches and the GM, combined with Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell running Player Personnel I'm not sure why the Giants even bother having a GM unless it's just to take the media and fan heat.
RE: Count me as one of the it's better at home people  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2021 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15410904 arniefez said:
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with HDTV, no commute both ways, no drunks, etc. I'll never go to another sporting event in the NYC are. I used to go to dozens of games every year. Those days are over.


I'm with you arnie. I have no desire to go anymore. I have to be completely inconvenienced so I can be fleeced for everything. It's a complete and total ripoff.
RE: I feel for you.  
Dinger : 10/12/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15410836 truebluelarry said:
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Since 2021 I get my live football fix at Michie Stadium watching the Black Knights. You get all the fun and a fraction of the cost (and Army has been a good team the past five-six years which makes it even better).


TBLARRY- I've been considering taking my son to an Army game. I'm about 30 minutes away. Is it difficult to get tickets? Are they available at the field if so? What's the price? My daughter played in a Bball tourney there a couple years back and I loved the campus. The field looked cool and I think he'd LOVE the experience.
Had tix for Panthers home game  
JoeMorrison40 : 10/12/2021 3:32 pm : link
And I'm staying home !
RE: RE: I feel for you.  
truebluelarry : 10/12/2021 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15410994 Dinger said:
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In comment 15410836 truebluelarry said:


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Since 2021 I get my live football fix at Michie Stadium watching the Black Knights. You get all the fun and a fraction of the cost (and Army has been a good team the past five-six years which makes it even better).



TBLARRY- I've been considering taking my son to an Army game. I'm about 30 minutes away. Is it difficult to get tickets? Are they available at the field if so? What's the price? My daughter played in a Bball tourney there a couple years back and I loved the campus. The field looked cool and I think he'd LOVE the experience.


Army games rarely sell out. Tickets are priced according to location and opponent. I usually look for the Upper Deck or the North End Zone. The sightlines are spectacular. Go to the West Point website (I posted the link below) you can pick your seats.

My best advice is to get there EARLY. Traffic in and out of West Point can be challenging, but tailgating is a blast. I always have a good time there and the cadets make football games an event.
Link - ( New Window )
Didn't Renew my Tix this Year  
mvftw : 10/12/2021 7:05 pm : link
Had them in the family since 1956...
NO REGRETS!!! Best move I've made...
I had psls for 1 day and sold them to  
oghwga : 10/12/2021 7:59 pm : link
Sold them to my buddy so he could keep bringing his dad. I think cjacs brother is still mad at me for bailing.

No regrets. There's nothing like going to the game in person. But I can't imagine even the tailgate being fun anymore because you know once you head inside the pain is going to start.

For me, it's $300 saved to be only slightly less miserable on the couch.

Plus, during this most recent string of the past 10 years or so, on the rare occasion they have a fourth quarter lead you'll hear them blow it on the walk to the car if you bail early.
Gave up my tix in family since 1952  
tdawg5697 : 10/12/2021 9:29 pm : link
Made the tough decision and feel great about it. I was robbed for the PSL's and couldnt even sell them. The game experience has been dreadful since the stadium opened.

PSL's ruined the stadium. All the diehards at the meadowlands were gone. i knew my whole section for years and then it was all new people every game.


Happier from home.
RE: Count me as one of the it's better at home people  
Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15410904 arniefez said:
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with HDTV, no commute both ways, no drunks, etc. I'll never go to another sporting event in the NYC are. I used to go to dozens of games every year. Those days are over.
Rangers games are incredible.

Anyway, yeah, I go into the games expecting a loss. It makes it easier to deal with douchebag opposing fans, and takes the angst out of the equation.

I go because I like to be with my NYG people, it's a father-son tradition since 1994, and I love the fellow season ticket holders in my section, all of whom we've known for up to 25 years (including some I've known from elementary school through college graduation, just from sitting in section 125/131).

It's tradition and it makes the wins sweeter. Sometimes I don't feel like going, but I cherish when I do, and always will.
Also, I should add  
Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 10:10 pm : link
that misery loves comfort. There is something oddly settling about going to watch the team lose with people who care enough to actually still go.

Like I said, it's only gonna make the good times sweeter. These tickets are never leaving my family, ever. I don't give a fuck about PSLs, and I don't give a fuck about how nursing a hangover is easier in front of my 77 inch OLED LG TV. Gotta go, it's tradition.
*misery loves company  
Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 10:11 pm : link
typo
My family had season tix since 1955  
Bubba : 10/13/2021 7:46 am : link
I finally sold our psls for face value 5 years ago. It was a tough decision at the time. Turns out it was the right decision.
I inherited my tix from my dad and my son will inherit  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/13/2021 9:42 am : link
them from me. He's 11 and finally has interest in going, so we are going.

The Giants losing is one thing. The stadium experience is another. We sit in the upper bowl and its too far away, for one. Add in the issues getting in and out of our seats, and the constant rotation of my seat neighbors (usually from the other team) and I was considering giving them up. But I want to have the same kind of experiences with my son I had with my dad, so god help us, I am looking at upgrading.
I wouldn't go if you paid me  
djm : 10/13/2021 11:09 am : link
it aint the money. It's the emotional investment. If the Giants were my kid i'd put them up for adoption. I don't care if that sounds like a fake fan, let it be called that. I'm a fake fan. I can't deal with this shit anymore. I love the franchise too much. I wish they'd move to Vegas. Why? Because I have this sinking feeling this run of futility won't end anytime soon.

There's no guarantee this franchise figures anything out, ever. Teams can win forever, and teams can lose forever.

In the early to mid teens I always erred on the side of this team figuring shit out and usually took a lot of shit around here for showing any optimism. But I had data to go on. I had decades of winning football to go on. The Giants have sucked before (mid 90s) but they always figured shit out, eventually. Why not be optimistic? The Giants warranted it. I am not so sure anymore.

Continue to hire so so coaching staffs (at best) and we won't win. Simple as that.
I have to go into these games now  
djm : 10/13/2021 11:14 am : link
especially this last one, with absolutely no hope at all. I cannot even allow myself any enjoyment when the Giants score a TD or show any potential in a game, because, well you know why. Even the Saints game, I felt good for 10 minutes, sort of breathed a sigh of relief and then realized that the likely hood of the Giants winning in dallas one week later was 1 out of 50. That they'd surely drop to 1-4 and then 1-5. The season was over the second they lost to the Skins and ATL in back to back weeks.

I will still watch. Still follow their every move, but I don't possess even a shred of hope anymore. Get to 500 during a season after September and then we can talk.

oh yea  
djm : 10/13/2021 11:15 am : link
and I sold my season tix prior to this season. So much for blue colored glasses. I talk a lot of hope prior to these seasons but I aint stupid.
RE: I have to go into these games now  
Harvest Blend : 10/13/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15411881 djm said:
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especially this last one, with absolutely no hope at all. I cannot even allow myself any enjoyment when the Giants score a TD or show any potential in a game, because, well you know why. Even the Saints game, I felt good for 10 minutes, sort of breathed a sigh of relief and then realized that the likely hood of the Giants winning in dallas one week later was 1 out of 50. That they'd surely drop to 1-4 and then 1-5. The season was over the second they lost to the Skins and ATL in back to back weeks.

I will still watch. Still follow their every move, but I don't possess even a shred of hope anymore. Get to 500 during a season after September and then we can talk.


Yeesh. Not that anyone could blame you.

For me I'm just sick of allowing myself to feel moderately optimistic from March thru the end of August just to have the season over by the end of September. I'm at the point where I don't even bother watching, I just check the draft order Monday morning.

Year 8 or 9 of "fool me again", shame on me.
RE: RE: I have to go into these games now  
cjac : 10/13/2021 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15411904 Harvest Blend said:
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In comment 15411881 djm said:


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especially this last one, with absolutely no hope at all. I cannot even allow myself any enjoyment when the Giants score a TD or show any potential in a game, because, well you know why. Even the Saints game, I felt good for 10 minutes, sort of breathed a sigh of relief and then realized that the likely hood of the Giants winning in dallas one week later was 1 out of 50. That they'd surely drop to 1-4 and then 1-5. The season was over the second they lost to the Skins and ATL in back to back weeks.

I will still watch. Still follow their every move, but I don't possess even a shred of hope anymore. Get to 500 during a season after September and then we can talk.




Yeesh. Not that anyone could blame you.

For me I'm just sick of allowing myself to feel moderately optimistic from March thru the end of August just to have the season over by the end of September. I'm at the point where I don't even bother watching, I just check the draft order Monday morning.

Year 8 or 9 of "fool me again", shame on me.


I just told a coworker this

"It bothers me how much I let it bother me"
RE: RE: RE: I feel for you.  
Dinger : 10/14/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15411115 truebluelarry said:
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In comment 15410836 truebluelarry said:


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Since 2021 I get my live football fix at Michie Stadium watching the Black Knights. You get all the fun and a fraction of the cost (and Army has been a good team the past five-six years which makes it even better).



TBLARRY- I've been considering taking my son to an Army game. I'm about 30 minutes away. Is it difficult to get tickets? Are they available at the field if so? What's the price? My daughter played in a Bball tourney there a couple years back and I loved the campus. The field looked cool and I think he'd LOVE the experience.



Army games rarely sell out. Tickets are priced according to location and opponent. I usually look for the Upper Deck or the North End Zone. The sightlines are spectacular. Go to the West Point website (I posted the link below) you can pick your seats.

My best advice is to get there EARLY. Traffic in and out of West Point can be challenging, but tailgating is a blast. I always have a good time there and the cadets make football games an event. Link - ( New Window )


Thanks Larry! I am considering that UMass game as the other two we've got plans.
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