Positivty gets us nowhere, either, but at least it feels better not to consistently focus on the things that are going wrong. There is SO MUCH negativity on this board that it makes it very difficult to call a majority of posters NYG fans.
- First: Everyone calling for Gettleman's head needs to chill the eff out. The main job of the GM is to give the coach talent to work with and he has done that. The injuries for Barkley are a concern, sure, but realistically it is a non issue. He's had a high ankle sprain (healed in less than 4 weeks which is inhuman), an ACL (Back in a year and as of the Saints game looked back to 100%. Not many RBs have come back from that type of injury) and now a low ankle and the projection is that he will be back after the Rams game if not the week after. The problem is the O-Line, not Barkley. Kid brings more to the team than just his ability to run and catch the ball. He's a leader. He makes everyone around him better. Get that line working and we'll be able to see the man do his thing! Elliott was drafted 4th overall. Anyone complaining about him? Guess why? Dallas has an O-Line. Elliot has avoided the "injury prone" designation. But if Elliott were on this Giants team he'd be no better than Saquon. The fact that the injuries were to different areas is a good thing. He is not re-injuring the same area over and over. It's not really a concern. Shit happens. Support this young man and pull for him to be successful! It's incredible to me that the kid has this freak accident/injury and there are 10 posts about how we need to trade him or how we never should have drafted him, etc. We don't make those calls. It's not our job. Our job is to be supportive.
DG got us Daniel Jones. The hatred for this pick is unfathomable. WHY? The kid has shown nothing but a desire to improve and win games. He puts himself on the line and does whatever is needed to make a play and this year he has been EVERYTHING you could want in a QB! The negativity, again, makes very little sense. We got Slayton, Toney, Thomas, Peart, Gates (unfortunately injured), McKinney, Ryan, Aziz, Peppers... I'm not listing every player, you get the point. The talent is there. DG has done his job pretty well wether you like him or not.
- Joe Judge was a rookie coach in a year that there was no offseason program. He made the most of it and the team plays hard for him. But he was a rookie. This is his second year, but there isn't a lot he can really do with injuries mounting at the rate they have been. He's made some really questionable decisions but again, it's his second year. You can't expect the guy to be Lombardi or Parcells in his second year as a head coach. His players love him and as long as they do he has a real chance at learning and growing and being a successful coach for this team. But yeah, fire him. Lets get ANOTHER head coach and start over AGAIN!
- Garrett... I got nothing. Definitely do not like what he's done so far but I am not sure if it was a personnel issue or if he really just lost the ability to call plays. I think the injuries really screwed up a lot of what we have in the play book. I'm not really attached to him though.
- Graham, it appears, may be a liability as well He is way to soft and needs to blitz the crap out of offenses. We aren't doing that like we were last season and it's maddening. He needs to do better and we know he CAN do better.
- The narrative that Toney should have been in the line up from week 1... STFU. Seriously. The kid hadn't practiced at all and you want him to get back and start at WR over the guys that had been in practice all preseason? Imagine if they did that and he looked as lost as I believe he would have been? You'd be crucifying DG and JJ more than you turncoat, fairweather flip-floppers already are. There is no winning with people that can only think in a negative head space.
This team, now more than ever, needs support from us. PERIOD. I wouldn't want to fight for anyone who wanted to trade me or fire my coach or the guy that gave me a job. Why would I? There is a difference between being tough on your team and being downright nasty and ridiculous. Get a grip and lets get back on track as FANS. We aren't owners, we aren't GMs, we aren't coaches or players. We want those folks to do their jobs. I am sure they would love for us to do ours!
That's it. had to get that off of my chest. This obviously wasn't for everyone. You know what side of the fence you are on and wether or not this was meant for you. I am sure there will be people putting me in front of the firing squad but I stand by what I said. @me
Sunday against Dallas, yes he started slow and the 1st quarter was an off quarter, but at least he didn’t have any turnovers, unlike Dak who had two. Yes, he slightly overthrew Ross twice on long passes and yes he really overthrew Barkley on the play that got him injured, but in case you didn’t notice, OR DONT WANT TO NOTICE, he got it going in quarter 2.
First, he drove us in FG range to make it 10-3. Then he drove us the length of the field, I believe we started at the 12 to take us to the one yard line. And then he probably foolishly decided to go all out to get that last yard and got concussed for it. Nevertheless, we scored and it was 10-10….and should have been 10-10 at the half if we had a half way decent defense and DC. Of note- JONES HIT HIS LAST 5 PASSES ON THAT FINAL DRIVE. Like I said, he was heating up.
He played brilliantly in Washington and we should have won if we had a decent defense and a decent DC. He played okay v Atlanta and Denver, but not great.
Any hate directed at him is just plain ignorant. You obviously are not watching or don’t want to watch because you have your mind made up. You probably hate DG much more and you know if DJ is a “failure” this failure will expedite his (DG’s) release.
I'm not a Gettleman hater. I actually think he gets a bad rap. I don't blame him for what the top 6-7 interior lineman getting hurt this year. You are what you are record is and his record will be one of the worst in the league if not the worst for his 4 year tenure. He needed to finish 9-8 at minimum this year and I don't see that happening. It's time to move on.
I am hoping that at some point when we see success, time will show he was better than we thought (Giants turn around next year under Judge and Thomas/Jones/Barkley/etc live up to their potential).
He said Ol was his big thing and it is a big disaster so far. Now AT looks like he will be a keeper and Peart still has time to develop but everything else has been a real miss or certainly a major incomplete grade.
Edge is another issue, especially after switching to this 3/4 hybrid we have stoked up on DL (DT's really) that cannot change the game by themselves and have put behind them a bungling group of KIND OFs , who have no real stud play maker and too many guys who ALMOST get there. This has hampered the defense as much as the OL has hampered the offense.
Barkley is a freak athlete who has been hampered by injuries but he's not injury prone and overall has great leadership qualities. Also is RAC is absolutely special
Jones is in his 3rd year and has showed huge improvement and has some serious skills we can work with
Thomas oh look, guy gets some seasoning and playing time and all of a sudden is our best Olineman, but dont tell BBI that who all had him cut week 1
Judge has the charisma, the passion and the care for the details we need at the HC position. Stay the course Giants fans.
The fact of nature I see on this site is that almost every fan since 2007 that has joined has some dis-illusioned thought they know better then professionals and players, they create their own narrative and refuse to look at any side that objects to it. Its sad how short sighted Giants fans have become. Also the amount of anger and scorn that I read on this site now is just pathetic. People want the owner to sell now, are you fuckin insane? I could go on and on but I have to say its refreshing to see a post that I can align with.
Yes we have a losing record again, yes we are dealing with injuries again but too fucking bad. Be patient,.
I've heard multiple NFL experts over the last month say the Giants have lost their foundation and their stability due to the organization changing every 3 years.
To me that's the primary underlying and overarching problem
The O-Line as it was built is not a disaster. It’s actually decent. The injuries have made it a mess. Gettleman didn’t injure anyone.
I was listening to the Bob Papa podcast before the Dallas game and he and Carl Banks were discussing the draft and he said he doesn't want to hear that the Giants passed on Parsons because the draft is over. So he's not allowing Giant fans to "complain" about it. That's a paraphrase but that was the gist of it.
I think it's funny that the Giants organization and their PR machine have their feelings hurt. At least they get paid to watch and promote the crap they produce. They should be grateful. When a TV show is bad people stop watching and it gets cancelled. If a director or an actor are part of 2 or 3 movie flops in a row they don't get to make any more movies. But the Mara's own a public trust built on family legacies theirs and their customers and no matter how bad the product is the public will keep consuming it.
He said Ol was his big thing and it is a big disaster so far. Now AT looks like he will be a keeper and Peart still has time to develop but everything else has been a real miss or certainly a major incomplete grade.
Edge is another issue, especially after switching to this 3/4 hybrid we have stoked up on DL (DT's really) that cannot change the game by themselves and have put behind them a bungling group of KIND OFs , who have no real stud play maker and too many guys who ALMOST get there. This has hampered the defense as much as the OL has hampered the offense.
what blunders? nail all 4 1st round draft picks?
Bradberry? Martinez? Gates?
trade down and get Bears 1st pick, or do it again in the 2nd round to get more picks and draft Georgia pass rusher Azeez Ojulari who lead the team in sacks
What about trade OBJ for a 1st rd pick that got us Lawrence while also acquiring Peppers and shed salary
oh btw Booker looks to be a solid get, Golladay when healthy also is a big piece.
Also we all like Judge right?
I mean what the fuck do you want?
Calling out the complete and utter inability of the organization to pull it's head out of its ass doesn't make you a "turncoat". Quite the contrary. I continue to watch week in and week out while also managing to not delude myself about what it is I'm watching. Insanity isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Real insanity is doing the same thing over and over when you know full well what's gonna happen, in this case the team you live and die by continuing to embarrass itself.
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Which Gettleman not only "built" but stated was his #1 priority. You see the issue there, yeah?
The O-Line as it was built is not a disaster. It’s actually decent. The injuries have made it a mess. Gettleman didn’t injure anyone.
also agree, its not DG's fault some a few guys didn't want to go through training camp to be a backup and retired.
Barkley is a freak athlete who has been hampered by injuries but he's not injury prone and overall has great leadership qualities. Also is RAC is absolutely special
Jones is in his 3rd year and has showed huge improvement and has some serious skills we can work with
Thomas oh look, guy gets some seasoning and playing time and all of a sudden is our best Olineman, but dont tell BBI that who all had him cut week 1
Judge has the charisma, the passion and the care for the details we need at the HC position. Stay the course Giants fans.
The fact of nature I see on this site is that almost every fan since 2007 that has joined has some dis-illusioned thought they know better then professionals and players, they create their own narrative and refuse to look at any side that objects to it. Its sad how short sighted Giants fans have become. Also the amount of anger and scorn that I read on this site now is just pathetic. People want the owner to sell now, are you fuckin insane? I could go on and on but I have to say its refreshing to see a post that I can align with.
Yes we have a losing record again, yes we are dealing with injuries again but too fucking bad. Be patient,.
I've heard multiple NFL experts over the last month say the Giants have lost their foundation and their stability due to the organization changing every 3 years.
To me that's the primary underlying and overarching problem
EXACTLY!!
Calling out the complete and utter inability of the organization to pull it's head out of its ass doesn't make you a "turncoat". Quite the contrary. I continue to watch week in and week out while also managing to not delude myself about what it is I'm watching. Insanity isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Real insanity is doing the same thing over and over when you know full well what's gonna happen, in this case the team you live and die by continuing to embarrass itself.
that is the defniniton of insanity but that doesnt apply here because its not the same thing every year, the team is changed the schemes are changed and in some cases some personnel have changed. So wrong
What is true insanity is putting together a long term plan and not letting it play out because you can't show the patience to live it out. How do you think that looks to other prospective players and coaches ...
How does Mara commit to someone when he shows a history of making a change every 2-3 years when things go sour.
Do we wanna be the fucking Browns Bengals Jets ? We're getting there
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you means of proof are very debatable at best. DG needs to go. He has made one blunder after another and they all have created the continued spinning of the wheels we are at now.
He said Ol was his big thing and it is a big disaster so far. Now AT looks like he will be a keeper and Peart still has time to develop but everything else has been a real miss or certainly a major incomplete grade.
Edge is another issue, especially after switching to this 3/4 hybrid we have stoked up on DL (DT's really) that cannot change the game by themselves and have put behind them a bungling group of KIND OFs , who have no real stud play maker and too many guys who ALMOST get there. This has hampered the defense as much as the OL has hampered the offense.
what blunders? nail all 4 1st round draft picks?
Bradberry? Martinez? Gates?
trade down and get Bears 1st pick, or do it again in the 2nd round to get more picks and draft Georgia pass rusher Azeez Ojulari who lead the team in sacks
What about trade OBJ for a 1st rd pick that got us Lawrence while also acquiring Peppers and shed salary
oh btw Booker looks to be a solid get, Golladay when healthy also is a big piece.
Also we all like Judge right?
I mean what the fuck do you want?
Wait…Dave “nailed” all 4 of his first rounders?
Barkley: would be a disaster giving him a 2nd contract here
Jones: is he a QB you invest $20-25 million/year in?
Thomas: was horrible last year..through FOUR games, he’s been solid. Might be the best of Dave’s picks, but it’s still TBD.
Toney: looks electric but let’s see how teams scheme for him moving forward, especially since it appears he’s the only real threat offensively with all the injuries.
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I'm sure the people who have delivered the worst record in the league over the past 5 years will suddenly figure it out!
Calling out the complete and utter inability of the organization to pull it's head out of its ass doesn't make you a "turncoat". Quite the contrary. I continue to watch week in and week out while also managing to not delude myself about what it is I'm watching. Insanity isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Real insanity is doing the same thing over and over when you know full well what's gonna happen, in this case the team you live and die by continuing to embarrass itself.
that is the defniniton of insanity but that doesnt apply here because its not the same thing every year, the team is changed the schemes are changed and in some cases some personnel have changed. So wrong
What is true insanity is putting together a long term plan and not letting it play out because you can't show the patience to live it out. How do you think that looks to other prospective players and coaches ...
How does Mara commit to someone when he shows a history of making a change every 2-3 years when things go sour.
Do we wanna be the fucking Browns Bengals Jets ? We're getting there
I’ll take being the Browns of the last 2-3 years. They’re way advanced than the NYG.
Vent, sure! Let off some steam. But I swear I’m reading posts from New England or Dallas fans and not Giants fans. The hate is real. Some Emeror Palpatine shit.
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Which Gettleman not only "built" but stated was his #1 priority. You see the issue there, yeah?
The O-Line as it was built is not a disaster. It’s actually decent. The injuries have made it a mess. Gettleman didn’t injure anyone.
First of all, the OL they went into week 1 with is going on 4 years of DG mismanagement. Several teams have rebuilt their line in half that time; KC did it in one offseason. Going on year 4 and we're content with "decent"? And let's be really honest: we don't even know if it was going to be decent. Lemiuex was a huge question mark who really struggled last year. They penciled Peart in at the RT spot and that went swimmingly.
You're deluding yourself.
he's right though, and I'm not a moron.
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you means of proof are very debatable at best. DG needs to go. He has made one blunder after another and they all have created the continued spinning of the wheels we are at now.
He said Ol was his big thing and it is a big disaster so far. Now AT looks like he will be a keeper and Peart still has time to develop but everything else has been a real miss or certainly a major incomplete grade.
Edge is another issue, especially after switching to this 3/4 hybrid we have stoked up on DL (DT's really) that cannot change the game by themselves and have put behind them a bungling group of KIND OFs , who have no real stud play maker and too many guys who ALMOST get there. This has hampered the defense as much as the OL has hampered the offense.
what blunders? nail all 4 1st round draft picks?
Bradberry? Martinez? Gates?
trade down and get Bears 1st pick, or do it again in the 2nd round to get more picks and draft Georgia pass rusher Azeez Ojulari who lead the team in sacks
What about trade OBJ for a 1st rd pick that got us Lawrence while also acquiring Peppers and shed salary
oh btw Booker looks to be a solid get, Golladay when healthy also is a big piece.
Also we all like Judge right?
I mean what the fuck do you want?
Wait…Dave “nailed” all 4 of his first rounders?
Barkley: would be a disaster giving him a 2nd contract here
Jones: is he a QB you invest $20-25 million/year in?
Thomas: was horrible last year..through FOUR games, he’s been solid. Might be the best of Dave’s picks, but it’s still TBD.
Toney: looks electric but let’s see how teams scheme for him moving forward, especially since it appears he’s the only real threat offensively with all the in
ijuries.
Yup that's what I said. Continue to be negative and miserable homie.
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I'm sure the people who have delivered the worst record in the league over the past 5 years will suddenly figure it out!
Calling out the complete and utter inability of the organization to pull it's head out of its ass doesn't make you a "turncoat". Quite the contrary. I continue to watch week in and week out while also managing to not delude myself about what it is I'm watching. Insanity isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Real insanity is doing the same thing over and over when you know full well what's gonna happen, in this case the team you live and die by continuing to embarrass itself.
that is the defniniton of insanity but that doesnt apply here because its not the same thing every year, the team is changed the schemes are changed and in some cases some personnel have changed. So wrong
What is true insanity is putting together a long term plan and not letting it play out because you can't show the patience to live it out. How do you think that looks to other prospective players and coaches ...
How does Mara commit to someone when he shows a history of making a change every 2-3 years when things go sour.
Do we wanna be the fucking Browns Bengals Jets ? We're getting there
I hate to break it to you but we wish we were the Browns or Bengals. You keep waiting patiently though, years 6 or 7 of a 2 year rebuild in a league designed to support parity. Mara doesn't deserve fans like you. You are literally a better fan than that old fool deserves.
We're negative because we're tired of getting the same excuse losing year after losing year. The Giants higher-ups are either gaslighting us or don't even realize how bad the problem is. Fans have a right to be upset either way.
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I'm sure the people who have delivered the worst record in the league over the past 5 years will suddenly figure it out!
Calling out the complete and utter inability of the organization to pull it's head out of its ass doesn't make you a "turncoat". Quite the contrary. I continue to watch week in and week out while also managing to not delude myself about what it is I'm watching. Insanity isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Real insanity is doing the same thing over and over when you know full well what's gonna happen, in this case the team you live and die by continuing to embarrass itself.
that is the defniniton of insanity but that doesnt apply here because its not the same thing every year, the team is changed the schemes are changed and in some cases some personnel have changed. So wrong
What is true insanity is putting together a long term plan and not letting it play out because you can't show the patience to live it out. How do you think that looks to other prospective players and coaches ...
How does Mara commit to someone when he shows a history of making a change every 2-3 years when things go sour.
Do we wanna be the fucking Browns Bengals Jets ? We're getting there
I’ll take being the Browns of the last 2-3 years. They’re way advanced than the NYG.
right
and what about the rest of what I said?.....
I want to hear you acknowledge that as well...
oh burn.
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I'm sure the people who have delivered the worst record in the league over the past 5 years will suddenly figure it out!
Calling out the complete and utter inability of the organization to pull it's head out of its ass doesn't make you a "turncoat". Quite the contrary. I continue to watch week in and week out while also managing to not delude myself about what it is I'm watching. Insanity isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Real insanity is doing the same thing over and over when you know full well what's gonna happen, in this case the team you live and die by continuing to embarrass itself.
that is the defniniton of insanity but that doesnt apply here because its not the same thing every year, the team is changed the schemes are changed and in some cases some personnel have changed. So wrong
What is true insanity is putting together a long term plan and not letting it play out because you can't show the patience to live it out. How do you think that looks to other prospective players and coaches ...
How does Mara commit to someone when he shows a history of making a change every 2-3 years when things go sour.
Do we wanna be the fucking Browns Bengals Jets ? We're getting there
I’ll take being the Browns of the last 2-3 years. They’re way advanced than the NYG.
right
and what about the rest of what I said?.....
I want to hear you acknowledge that as well...
Look, I’m on record as hating Dave. He’s never gonna get the benefit of the doubt from me. His record here is his record here. And it’s his roster. Both are disgraceful. He’s likely the worst GM in all North American professional sports.
DG has had 4 years. The time for patience is over.
But it's different shit every year, so it's actually ok!
Does a better job in acquiring pass rushing LB’s if they stick with the 3-4
I don’t mind the negativity, it s mostly what fans do, even when winning. My pet peeve is absolute statements made in a negative manner borne from frustration and anger.
Those points made are rarely insightful and nearly impossible to discuss.
Also, I don’t think negative fans have any impact on the lack of success for the team
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Fucking morons.
he's right though, and I'm not a moron.
Nope, and nope.
Enjoy the losing. Fans like you deserve it.
It's hilarious, isn't it? And we wonder why certain posters refuse to show their face here anymore after a decade of defending a shit product.
Smart decision by them, tbh. Because they. were. wrong.
It isn't your job at all to decide who is or is not a Giants fan. Whistling past the graveyard and making excuses for poor performance year after year doesn't make you a better fan at all.
DG has had 4 years. The time for patience is over.
That's my point, that most of you don't seem to understand
4 years is not long enough when you have to vanquish the previous regimes team and incorporate your own. Its just not
Meanwhile this team is on the verge of yet another fun filled 5 win season but the most important position on this roster has nothing to do with it ... despite not being able to throw touchdowns. Also why get down on an over hyped over priced running back that is constantly injured and has not played well in three years
The funny thing is I watched mnf last night and if jones ever ever had a game like either Carson we TD had last night it Lamar Jackson thins pkace would be jacking off non stop to him. But if anyone suggested they were better qb’s “oh no those guys sucks”.
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Is meaningless if you don't have the right staff on the field and in the front office.
DG has had 4 years. The time for patience is over.
That's my point, that most of you don't seem to understand
4 years is not long enough when you have to vanquish the previous regimes team and incorporate your own. Its just not
So if someone had told you in 2018 that this team would have the worst record in the NFL over the next four years, and the Oline was one of the weakest units, you would have signed up for that?
We are essentially now where we were in 2018. When do you suggest it is appropriate to start expecting improvements if not within 4 years?
what gets old is people finding different ways to same the same damn thing over and over again