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Negativity gets us nowhere

ZoneXDOA : 10/12/2021 1:23 pm
Positivty gets us nowhere, either, but at least it feels better not to consistently focus on the things that are going wrong. There is SO MUCH negativity on this board that it makes it very difficult to call a majority of posters NYG fans.

- First: Everyone calling for Gettleman's head needs to chill the eff out. The main job of the GM is to give the coach talent to work with and he has done that. The injuries for Barkley are a concern, sure, but realistically it is a non issue. He's had a high ankle sprain (healed in less than 4 weeks which is inhuman), an ACL (Back in a year and as of the Saints game looked back to 100%. Not many RBs have come back from that type of injury) and now a low ankle and the projection is that he will be back after the Rams game if not the week after. The problem is the O-Line, not Barkley. Kid brings more to the team than just his ability to run and catch the ball. He's a leader. He makes everyone around him better. Get that line working and we'll be able to see the man do his thing! Elliott was drafted 4th overall. Anyone complaining about him? Guess why? Dallas has an O-Line. Elliot has avoided the "injury prone" designation. But if Elliott were on this Giants team he'd be no better than Saquon. The fact that the injuries were to different areas is a good thing. He is not re-injuring the same area over and over. It's not really a concern. Shit happens. Support this young man and pull for him to be successful! It's incredible to me that the kid has this freak accident/injury and there are 10 posts about how we need to trade him or how we never should have drafted him, etc. We don't make those calls. It's not our job. Our job is to be supportive.
DG got us Daniel Jones. The hatred for this pick is unfathomable. WHY? The kid has shown nothing but a desire to improve and win games. He puts himself on the line and does whatever is needed to make a play and this year he has been EVERYTHING you could want in a QB! The negativity, again, makes very little sense. We got Slayton, Toney, Thomas, Peart, Gates (unfortunately injured), McKinney, Ryan, Aziz, Peppers... I'm not listing every player, you get the point. The talent is there. DG has done his job pretty well wether you like him or not.

- Joe Judge was a rookie coach in a year that there was no offseason program. He made the most of it and the team plays hard for him. But he was a rookie. This is his second year, but there isn't a lot he can really do with injuries mounting at the rate they have been. He's made some really questionable decisions but again, it's his second year. You can't expect the guy to be Lombardi or Parcells in his second year as a head coach. His players love him and as long as they do he has a real chance at learning and growing and being a successful coach for this team. But yeah, fire him. Lets get ANOTHER head coach and start over AGAIN!

- Garrett... I got nothing. Definitely do not like what he's done so far but I am not sure if it was a personnel issue or if he really just lost the ability to call plays. I think the injuries really screwed up a lot of what we have in the play book. I'm not really attached to him though.

- Graham, it appears, may be a liability as well He is way to soft and needs to blitz the crap out of offenses. We aren't doing that like we were last season and it's maddening. He needs to do better and we know he CAN do better.

- The narrative that Toney should have been in the line up from week 1... STFU. Seriously. The kid hadn't practiced at all and you want him to get back and start at WR over the guys that had been in practice all preseason? Imagine if they did that and he looked as lost as I believe he would have been? You'd be crucifying DG and JJ more than you turncoat, fairweather flip-floppers already are. There is no winning with people that can only think in a negative head space.

This team, now more than ever, needs support from us. PERIOD. I wouldn't want to fight for anyone who wanted to trade me or fire my coach or the guy that gave me a job. Why would I? There is a difference between being tough on your team and being downright nasty and ridiculous. Get a grip and lets get back on track as FANS. We aren't owners, we aren't GMs, we aren't coaches or players. We want those folks to do their jobs. I am sure they would love for us to do ours!

That's it. had to get that off of my chest. This obviously wasn't for everyone. You know what side of the fence you are on and wether or not this was meant for you. I am sure there will be people putting me in front of the firing squad but I stand by what I said. @me
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Worst record in the league over the past 4 years.  
ZoneXDOA : 10/13/2021 8:05 am : link
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Fucking morons.



he's right though, and I'm not a moron.


No? You don't even know how many 1st round picks DG has made here. That seems pretty moronic.



In my. View, the real moron is one that knows but doesn’t share knowledge.


It's not a closely guarded secret, Confucius.
no, it’s not. But calling someone a moron because they were mistaken? I bet your a better person than that. I bet we all are. Pain sucks and losing is painful. We lash out. But after the initial reaction, cooler heads need to prevail. Can’t tell you how to live your life, brotha, but I CAN promise you that focusing on the things you can’t possibly have an impact on is only going to add unnecessary weight to the shit you ALREADY have to carry around in life. This board should be a place where we can come together and have some good, constructive conversation. But instead it’s just name calling and finger pointing from a good majority. Like I said, change, don’t change… no skin off my back either way. Just calling it how I see it. I’m probably a moron though.
RE: RE: We have the worst record in the league since Gettelman took over.  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2021 8:17 am : link
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It can be (a) the players (meaning the talent on the roster); (b) the coaching; or (c) a combination of (a) and (b).

After several years of this it cannot just be bad luck. So please pick which one you're choosing. If you want to blame Mara, he hired the GM and had veto power over the head coach but that still comes back to the players being bad, or the coaching being bad, or both.


DG inherited a dumpster fire. Takes time to rebuild. Get the players you want in place and get the right coaching staff. Someone earlier said they wished we were the Browns or Bengals… I actually chuckled. Those two teams have been a laughable mess for decades!! They’ve had the talent on the field for a couple years and now each team looks like they’ve found a good coach staff. What we see right No from those two is not something that happened overnight as soon as they plugged a franchise QB into the lineup. Yes it sucks when the Giants are losing but this particular team feels different. There is hope. We have some injuries holding us back. We have depth issues. Oh, wait…. Was Gettleman supposed to go get us 22 starters AND 22 starter caliber backups over a 4 year span? His evaluation of talent has been spot on. We mad because this dude ain’t got the Eye of Agamotto? He couldn’t predict injuries or turn back time to prevent them? We gonna just replace everyone again? What happens when it takes the NEXT GM time to put a team together and find a new coach? Fire him right as they start looking like a team? Start again? How many times?


You keep going on with these unfounded, unsupported statements and expect real conversation?

"His (Gettleman's) evaluation of talent has been spot on."

Not even his most ardent defenders would ever suggest this. His talent eval and acquisition rate has been simply bad. Some hits and a ton of misses, lost picks, bloated free agent deals, top picks that are only average players at best. His own misses and lack of cohesive plan for years has now resulted in only further delays and having to re-address certain positional units several times over. Injuries happen to everybody (albeit not at the rate of last Sunday). But those injuries last sunday have nothing to do with the losses from 2018-2020.

His evaluation has been more of a spot, than spot on.
Negativity gets us nowhere  
RicFlair : 10/13/2021 8:23 am : link
Tell that to the team.
Zone  
Samiam : 10/13/2021 8:32 am : link
I don’t think you’re a moron. I think you are a troll. Nobody can seriously believe what you are writing. Also an aside, we’re all Giants fans here. Count me in the other side but I’ve been a Giants fan since 1956 and have seen the ups and downs and this is about as close to the worst as I’ve ever seen but I still root for them to win and still feel miserable when they lose and have feeling pretty miserable for a long time. And this front office does not look to me like they can turn it around. At some point, you need to face realty. That said, I still root for them unconditionally.
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ZoneXDOA : 10/13/2021 8:38 am : link
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I don’t think you’re a moron. I think you are a troll. Nobody can seriously believe what you are writing. Also an aside, we’re all Giants fans here. Count me in the other side but I’ve been a Giants fan since 1956 and have seen the ups and downs and this is about as close to the worst as I’ve ever seen but I still root for them to win and still feel miserable when they lose and have feeling pretty miserable for a long time. And this front office does not look to me like they can turn it around. At some point, you need to face realty. That said, I still root for them unconditionally.
that’s all I ask. Like I said, positivity is not being happy, it’s just trying to focus on the things that give hope. And yes, I REALLY believe in that philosophy!
RE: RE: RE: We have the worst record in the league since Gettelman took over.  
ZoneXDOA : 10/13/2021 8:42 am : link
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It can be (a) the players (meaning the talent on the roster); (b) the coaching; or (c) a combination of (a) and (b).

After several years of this it cannot just be bad luck. So please pick which one you're choosing. If you want to blame Mara, he hired the GM and had veto power over the head coach but that still comes back to the players being bad, or the coaching being bad, or both.


DG inherited a dumpster fire. Takes time to rebuild. Get the players you want in place and get the right coaching staff. Someone earlier said they wished we were the Browns or Bengals… I actually chuckled. Those two teams have been a laughable mess for decades!! They’ve had the talent on the field for a couple years and now each team looks like they’ve found a good coach staff. What we see right No from those two is not something that happened overnight as soon as they plugged a franchise QB into the lineup. Yes it sucks when the Giants are losing but this particular team feels different. There is hope. We have some injuries holding us back. We have depth issues. Oh, wait…. Was Gettleman supposed to go get us 22 starters AND 22 starter caliber backups over a 4 year span? His evaluation of talent has been spot on. We mad because this dude ain’t got the Eye of Agamotto? He couldn’t predict injuries or turn back time to prevent them? We gonna just replace everyone again? What happens when it takes the NEXT GM time to put a team together and find a new coach? Fire him right as they start looking like a team? Start again? How many times?



You keep going on with these unfounded, unsupported statements and expect real conversation?

"His (Gettleman's) evaluation of talent has been spot on."

Not even his most ardent defenders would ever suggest this. His talent eval and acquisition rate has been simply bad. Some hits and a ton of misses, lost picks, bloated free agent deals, top picks that are only average players at best. His own misses and lack of cohesive plan for years has now resulted in only further delays and having to re-address certain positional units several times over. Injuries happen to everybody (albeit not at the rate of last Sunday). But those injuries last sunday have nothing to do with the losses from 2018-2020.

His evaluation has been more of a spot, than spot on.

Tons of misses?!? Aiight. I’m at work right now but I’m going to deep dive this shit over the weekend. I want to say you are greatly exaggerating but I’m intrigued. You’re aware I am only talking about his time as GM?
RE: RE: RE: RE: We have the worst record in the league since Gettelman took over.  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15411695 ZoneXDOA said:
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Tons of misses?!? Aiight. I’m at work right now but I’m going to deep dive this shit over the weekend. I want to say you are greatly exaggerating but I’m intrigued. You’re aware I am only talking about his time as GM?


Ok, sounds good.

pins and needles...
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