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Not feeding Toney week 1, 2 & 3.

90.Cal : 10/12/2021 1:44 pm
Did Jason Garrett have to teach Toney how to run, catch and make guys miss? Why did it take 4 weeks to game plan ways to get him the fucking football? Solder over Peart? Come on, make it stop! Judge, Garrett and Graham ALL need to be on the hot seat these next 12 games...
Toney is a rookie  
cjac : 10/12/2021 1:45 pm : link
and he was injured all of camp. He wasnt ready yet
And here I was worried  
BlackLight : 10/12/2021 1:46 pm : link
we might be running out of things to complain about.
yeah!  
Enzo : 10/12/2021 1:46 pm : link
and what about Jernigan too!
Team definitely was as ready as other teams for start  
George from PA : 10/12/2021 1:49 pm : link
Coaches have not done this team any favors on how they skemed, planned and called games so far.....i sure hope they learned.


In the NFL, each game is important and this team can not afford to lose games to inferior teams, especially at home.
RE: Team definitely was as ready as other teams for start  
joe48 : 10/12/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15410851 George from PA said:
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Coaches have not done this team any favors on how they skemed, planned and called games so far.....i sure hope they learned.


In the NFL, each game is important and this team can not afford to lose games to inferior teams, especially at home.

Agree with you. Hopefully a new GM will make appropriate coaching changes including the HC.
Toney and Peart would still be on the sidelines...  
penkap75 : 10/12/2021 2:01 pm : link
If they were not forced to play because of injuries. Thats the sad part.
RE: Toney and Peart would still be on the sidelines...  
chick310 : 10/12/2021 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15410887 penkap75 said:
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If they were not forced to play because of injuries. Thats the sad part.


So you think this is an evaluation problem by the coaching staff? They simply have been playing the wrong players otherwise the Giants would have more wins?
Good to see who  
JonC : 10/12/2021 2:05 pm : link
never played organized football before.
Toney was getting more  
section125 : 10/12/2021 2:11 pm : link
plays each week and it wasn't as if Shepard was playing poorly.
Some of you would complain if you were getting head...
RE: RE: Toney and Peart would still be on the sidelines...  
penkap75 : 10/12/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15410898 chick310 said:
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In comment 15410887 penkap75 said:


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If they were not forced to play because of injuries. Thats the sad part.



So you think this is an evaluation problem by the coaching staff? They simply have been playing the wrong players otherwise the Giants would have more wins?


Its just one of many coaching problems.
RE: RE: RE: Toney and Peart would still be on the sidelines...  
chick310 : 10/12/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15410917 penkap75 said:
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In comment 15410887 penkap75 said:


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If they were not forced to play because of injuries. Thats the sad part.



So you think this is an evaluation problem by the coaching staff? They simply have been playing the wrong players otherwise the Giants would have more wins?



Its just one of many coaching problems.


So next week or the week after when Peart struggles, does that mean the coaches are wrong for not putting him back on the bench too?
I have a feeling  
uconn18 : 10/12/2021 2:24 pm : link
Judge specifically doesn’t like Toney. Even after the game he doubled down on how hard the receiver position is to learn and that’s why they can’t play early in the year.

That kinda comes across as bullsh*t to me. So 2 weeks ago he could barely touch the field with Slayton ahead of him, but two weeks later he’s able to take over a game from the offensive side of the ball? Gimme a break.

Same with Peary/Solder, if Peary played as bad a solder did the fire 4 games he’d be on the bench…

There’s a seniority thing going on here
RE: I have a feeling  
uconn18 : 10/12/2021 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15410937 uconn18 said:
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Judge specifically doesn’t like Toney. Even after the game he doubled down on how hard the receiver position is to learn and that’s why they can’t play early in the year.

That kinda comes across as bullsh*t to me. So 2 weeks ago he could barely touch the field with Slayton ahead of him, but two weeks later he’s able to take over a game from the offensive side of the ball? Gimme a break.
Peart
Same with Peary/Solder, if Peary played as bad a solder did the fire 4 games he’d be on the bench…

There’s a seniority thing going on here
I think it’s a fair question to ask  
bhill410 : 10/12/2021 2:27 pm : link
As to whether Toney would have been given the chance to play if not due to an injury to Shepard. I have no idea his level of readiness the first three weeks but it would seem semi surprising that you go from his production week 3 to week 4 purely on a good week of practice.

In some ways it reminds me of how everyone was calling for Bradshaw and it took a ward injury to finally get him touches in I think either Bills or Jets game in 07.
Football coaches tend to view practice as everything  
JonC : 10/12/2021 2:31 pm : link
it's how a player demonstrates grasp of his assignments, and also that he will not repeatedly make mistakes to cost the team on gameday. Vets will often get the benefit of the doubt and a nod over a rookie/2nd year player.

With Solder and Shep starting ahead of Peart and Toney, you can infer the former are getting the job done and have earned the confidence of the coaches on gameday, while the latter are still running behind.
RE: Football coaches tend to view practice as everything  
uconn18 : 10/12/2021 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15410948 JonC said:
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it's how a player demonstrates grasp of his assignments, and also that he will not repeatedly make mistakes to cost the team on gameday. Vets will often get the benefit of the doubt and a nod over a rookie/2nd year player.

With Solder and Shep starting ahead of Peart and Toney, you can infer the former are getting the job done and have earned the confidence of the coaches on gameday, while the latter are still running behind.

Sorry but if Solder has earned the confidence of the coaches on gameday than we need new coaches.

Exhibit A: Peart played better in his one game than any game from Solder this year.
RE: Toney was getting more  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15410912 section125 said:
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plays each week and it wasn't as if Shepard was playing poorly.
Some of you would complain if you were getting head...


LOL that's a good one.
It may ultimately be the case  
JonC : 10/12/2021 2:36 pm : link
but it's likely those two youngsters are running behind in practice, and it's all about confidence both for the players and the coaches. Now, you have to hope some of it has grown and they're willing to sit Solder.
You may have forgotten this -- but  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/12/2021 2:41 pm : link
Peart played earlier in the season and looked like crapola

Toney is a rookie who got very few reps in camp or preseason and they were always going to bring him along

So at best the OPs comments are second guessing second guessing -- just be happy that these two are starting to show something -- it's a huge plus within a huge minus
RE: Toney is a rookie  
SoZKillA : 10/12/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15410839 cjac said:
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and he was injured all of camp. He wasnt ready yet


Oh bullshit
Although, coaches have disappointed me..  
George from PA : 10/12/2021 2:42 pm : link
Has shown to need to learn how to win as well.

I am not ready to start over....and burn it down.

Replacing coaches is a major square one start over....and bad organization do this over and over again.

I have to give them another year.
He missed most of camp  
Mike from Ohio : 10/12/2021 2:50 pm : link
and did not play in the preseason. Why would you expect that he would be getting a full workload Week 1 of his rookie year?

It took 4 games to get him meaningful touches. Given the circumstances above, that is not too long.

There is very little going right on this team at the moment. It's wort of weird to pick one of those to complain about.
I get that vets earn their time  
uconn18 : 10/12/2021 2:52 pm : link
And have a bit more leeway before getting benched.

But I think that should be reserved more for vets that have proven themselves with the Giants: guys like Eli, Bradshaw, Tuck etc.

Anyways the way Kyle Rudolph gives up on blocks, plays with low effort at times - you’d think that would piss off a coach like Judge to no end, especially with a tough player like Kaden Smith on the roster who I think is a better player at this stage.
RE: Good to see who  
UConn4523 : 10/12/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15410901 JonC said:
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never played organized football before.


It’s shocking to me that people who spend the time following professional sports on a near daily basis don’t understand that a rookie missing all of camp, pulls his hamstring, and gets Covid probably isn’t ready to take the field.
RE: Although, coaches have disappointed me..  
lecky : 10/12/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15410968 George from PA said:
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Has shown to need to learn how to win as well.

I am not ready to start over....and burn it down.

Replacing coaches is a major square one start over....and bad organization do this over and over again.

I have to give them another year.


There is nothing about this coach that exudes confidence. He is supposed to be a disciplinarian and yet the team looks very undisciplined. Something is drastically wrong when your team allows the other team to score at the end of the first half in EVERY game. They seem clueless when they get near the goal line. They are clueless against the run. They call the dumbest timeouts. They ran a play at the goal line just after the defense called timeout, the defense saw the play and they ran it anyhow again. 3rd and 4 at the 39 and where most coaches consider that 4 down territory, this guy just dont. Not knowing the rule about challenging in the last 2 minutes, there is no excuse for. I can go on forever.
RE: RE: Good to see who  
uconn18 : 10/12/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15410991 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15410901 JonC said:


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never played organized football before.



It’s shocking to me that people who spend the time following professional sports on a near daily basis don’t understand that a rookie missing all of camp, pulls his hamstring, and gets Covid probably isn’t ready to take the field.

So you don’t think it’s a fair question to ask?
A rookie in his first game as a starter put up 189 yard on 37 snaps was probably just not ready to play because he had Covid over the summer.

Either way I don’t think it’s a massive deal that he didn’t play early when it comes to the grand scheme of things, but giving the coaches credit for knowing he wasn’t ready a couple of weeks ago seems overboard
Covid certainly played a role  
JonC : 10/12/2021 3:14 pm : link
but it takes time to get past it too, looks like the stars aligned for him in Dallas. Believe me, the coaches aren't holding back a secret weapon here, you are only seeing gameday while they see and interact all week with him.

Sure, the coaches will make mistakes with deployment of a player(s), but the team's issues run deeper than Toney sitting on the sidelines more than you'd like.
Snap counts?  
Jesse B : 10/12/2021 3:19 pm : link
There is plenty to complain about with the coaching and talent, but I think Toney's snap counts still have only been at like 50 percent even this past weekend.

He IS definitely getting more snaps, but he is also doing a lot more with his snaps.


Does anyone have the snap counts by game

Offensive snap counts by game for Toney  
BSIMatt : 10/12/2021 5:56 pm : link
Denver:5
Washington:19
Atlanta:46
New Orleans:49
Dallas: 37
Other relevant offensive snap counts through 5 weeks  
BSIMatt : 10/12/2021 6:11 pm : link
Slayton:43,39,9
Shep: 58,64,24
KG:52,58,48,58,24

SB:29,58,60,56,6
EE: miss first 2 games:39,43,50

Rudolph:47,49,29,37,41
Collin Johnson:34,5,30
Ross: miss first 3 games: 28,41

Peart:19 v Denver, 68 v Dallas
LOL  
DannyDimes : 10/12/2021 7:03 pm : link
.90Cal - Tonney had COVID and there was a point where he could barely participate in walk-throughs... Please stop with the "you know better than they do" garbage...
They still haven't gameplanned ways to get him the ball  
Matt M. : 10/12/2021 8:07 pm : link
They just has 2 WRs out who were ahead of him and Golladay went out during the game. The Cowboys showed some interesting ways a guy like Toney can be fed the ball. But, the Giants haven't exactly been very creative.
This place is getting ridiculous...  
EricJ : 10/12/2021 8:13 pm : link
Toney missed a lot of time during training camp. He needs to learn the plays and the checkoffs with the QB
RE: You may have forgotten this -- but  
90.Cal : 10/12/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15410965 gidiefor said:
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Peart played earlier in the season and looked like crapola

Toney is a rookie who got very few reps in camp or preseason and they were always going to bring him along

So at best the OPs comments are second guessing second guessing -- just be happy that these two are starting to show something -- it's a huge plus within a huge minus


Matt Peart only played 19 snaps vs Denver in week 1 before this past Sunday... has Solder been better? Hell no, can't be.
"Yeah Toney could have made a difference...  
90.Cal : 10/12/2021 8:20 pm : link
...vs Atlanta or Washington BUT because he didn't know the entire playbook yet we decided not to use him at all..."

Brilliant. Great coaching.
Remember when Plaxico balled out w/o practicing all year...  
90.Cal : 10/12/2021 8:27 pm : link
Remember Odell missed all of camp and 4 weeks and stepped in on fire...

Remember when Toney came in week 5 and got actual usage and went off for 190+ yards... he could have been doing this shit from week 1 its not his fault its the coaches.

What's crazy is with Saquon out, Slayton out, Shepard out AND Golladay out... they still only gave him like 50% of the offensive snaps despite him being unstoppable out there... WTF is that??? Oh yeah that's right, he's a rookie who missed time and missed camp and hasn't practiced all the plays and blah blah blah excuse excuse
RE: Offensive snap counts by game for Toney  
Jesse B : 10/12/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15411286 BSIMatt said:
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Denver:5
Washington:19
Atlanta:46
New Orleans:49
Dallas: 37


Thanks.

RE: Remember when Plaxico balled out w/o practicing all year...  
DannyDimes : 10/12/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15411423 90.Cal said:
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Remember Odell missed all of camp and 4 weeks and stepped in on fire...

Remember when Toney came in week 5 and got actual usage and went off for 190+ yards... he could have been doing this shit from week 1 its not his fault its the coaches.

What's crazy is with Saquon out, Slayton out, Shepard out AND Golladay out... they still only gave him like 50% of the offensive snaps despite him being unstoppable out there... WTF is that??? Oh yeah that's right, he's a rookie who missed time and missed camp and hasn't practiced all the plays and blah blah blah excuse excuse


From the couch you know he was healthy (COVID) and ready, knowing the playbook. LOl idiot
Troubling they did not recognize his talent  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2021 12:14 am : link
If Shepherd not gotten injured Tony would probably still be on the bench
MAYBE  
tomjgiant : 10/13/2021 6:02 am : link
He is looking as good as he is now is because of the way he was coached up.But then you would have to give the coach some credit.
RE: Troubling they did not recognize his talent  
UConn4523 : 10/13/2021 7:16 am : link
In comment 15411582 Vanzetti said:
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If Shepherd not gotten injured Tony would probably still be on the bench


Snap counts say otherwise.
RE: Toney was getting more  
ZoneXDOA : 10/13/2021 8:18 am : link
In comment 15410912 section125 said:
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plays each week and it wasn't as if Shepard was playing poorly.
Some of you would complain if you were getting head...

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “This is unacceptable!!”
RE: I have a feeling  
ZoneXDOA : 10/13/2021 8:26 am : link
In comment 15410937 uconn18 said:
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Judge specifically doesn’t like Toney. Even after the game he doubled down on how hard the receiver position is to learn and that’s why they can’t play early in the year.

That kinda comes across as bullsh*t to me. So 2 weeks ago he could barely touch the field with Slayton ahead of him, but two weeks later he’s able to take over a game from the offensive side of the ball? Gimme a break.

Same with Peary/Solder, if Peary played as bad a solder did the fire 4 games he’d be on the bench…

There’s a seniority thing going on here

Yes. There are veterans who’ve earned their place in the lineup and Toney hadn’t even practiced yet. He didn’t even run routes in FLA. at the snap his role was to just “get open” for Trask and then do his thing making people miss. The brought him along slowly. Got to see him in practice. His timeline got moved up and fortunately he is an absolute beast! It worked out. It might not have. They weren’t going to start Toney over Slayton, Shep or Golladay week one after not playing in preseason.
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