Did Jason Garrett have to teach Toney how to run, catch and make guys miss? Why did it take 4 weeks to game plan ways to get him the fucking football? Solder over Peart? Come on, make it stop! Judge, Garrett and Graham ALL need to be on the hot seat these next 12 games...
In the NFL, each game is important and this team can not afford to lose games to inferior teams, especially at home.
In the NFL, each game is important and this team can not afford to lose games to inferior teams, especially at home.
Agree with you. Hopefully a new GM will make appropriate coaching changes including the HC.
So you think this is an evaluation problem by the coaching staff? They simply have been playing the wrong players otherwise the Giants would have more wins?
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If they were not forced to play because of injuries. Thats the sad part.
So you think this is an evaluation problem by the coaching staff? They simply have been playing the wrong players otherwise the Giants would have more wins?
Its just one of many coaching problems.
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If they were not forced to play because of injuries. Thats the sad part.
So you think this is an evaluation problem by the coaching staff? They simply have been playing the wrong players otherwise the Giants would have more wins?
Its just one of many coaching problems.
So next week or the week after when Peart struggles, does that mean the coaches are wrong for not putting him back on the bench too?
That kinda comes across as bullsh*t to me. So 2 weeks ago he could barely touch the field with Slayton ahead of him, but two weeks later he’s able to take over a game from the offensive side of the ball? Gimme a break.
Same with Peary/Solder, if Peary played as bad a solder did the fire 4 games he’d be on the bench…
There’s a seniority thing going on here
That kinda comes across as bullsh*t to me. So 2 weeks ago he could barely touch the field with Slayton ahead of him, but two weeks later he’s able to take over a game from the offensive side of the ball? Gimme a break.
Peart
Same with Peary/Solder, if Peary played as bad a solder did the fire 4 games he’d be on the bench…
There’s a seniority thing going on here
In some ways it reminds me of how everyone was calling for Bradshaw and it took a ward injury to finally get him touches in I think either Bills or Jets game in 07.
With Solder and Shep starting ahead of Peart and Toney, you can infer the former are getting the job done and have earned the confidence of the coaches on gameday, while the latter are still running behind.
With Solder and Shep starting ahead of Peart and Toney, you can infer the former are getting the job done and have earned the confidence of the coaches on gameday, while the latter are still running behind.
Sorry but if Solder has earned the confidence of the coaches on gameday than we need new coaches.
Exhibit A: Peart played better in his one game than any game from Solder this year.
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LOL that's a good one.
Toney is a rookie who got very few reps in camp or preseason and they were always going to bring him along
So at best the OPs comments are second guessing second guessing -- just be happy that these two are starting to show something -- it's a huge plus within a huge minus
Oh bullshit
I am not ready to start over....and burn it down.
Replacing coaches is a major square one start over....and bad organization do this over and over again.
I have to give them another year.
It took 4 games to get him meaningful touches. Given the circumstances above, that is not too long.
There is very little going right on this team at the moment. It's wort of weird to pick one of those to complain about.
But I think that should be reserved more for vets that have proven themselves with the Giants: guys like Eli, Bradshaw, Tuck etc.
Anyways the way Kyle Rudolph gives up on blocks, plays with low effort at times - you’d think that would piss off a coach like Judge to no end, especially with a tough player like Kaden Smith on the roster who I think is a better player at this stage.
It’s shocking to me that people who spend the time following professional sports on a near daily basis don’t understand that a rookie missing all of camp, pulls his hamstring, and gets Covid probably isn’t ready to take the field.
I am not ready to start over....and burn it down.
Replacing coaches is a major square one start over....and bad organization do this over and over again.
I have to give them another year.
There is nothing about this coach that exudes confidence. He is supposed to be a disciplinarian and yet the team looks very undisciplined. Something is drastically wrong when your team allows the other team to score at the end of the first half in EVERY game. They seem clueless when they get near the goal line. They are clueless against the run. They call the dumbest timeouts. They ran a play at the goal line just after the defense called timeout, the defense saw the play and they ran it anyhow again. 3rd and 4 at the 39 and where most coaches consider that 4 down territory, this guy just dont. Not knowing the rule about challenging in the last 2 minutes, there is no excuse for. I can go on forever.
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never played organized football before.
It’s shocking to me that people who spend the time following professional sports on a near daily basis don’t understand that a rookie missing all of camp, pulls his hamstring, and gets Covid probably isn’t ready to take the field.
So you don’t think it’s a fair question to ask?
A rookie in his first game as a starter put up 189 yard on 37 snaps was probably just not ready to play because he had Covid over the summer.
Either way I don’t think it’s a massive deal that he didn’t play early when it comes to the grand scheme of things, but giving the coaches credit for knowing he wasn’t ready a couple of weeks ago seems overboard
Sure, the coaches will make mistakes with deployment of a player(s), but the team's issues run deeper than Toney sitting on the sidelines more than you'd like.
He IS definitely getting more snaps, but he is also doing a lot more with his snaps.
Does anyone have the snap counts by game
Washington:19
Atlanta:46
New Orleans:49
Dallas: 37
Shep: 58,64,24
KG:52,58,48,58,24
SB:29,58,60,56,6
EE: miss first 2 games:39,43,50
Rudolph:47,49,29,37,41
Collin Johnson:34,5,30
Ross: miss first 3 games: 28,41
Peart:19 v Denver, 68 v Dallas
Toney is a rookie who got very few reps in camp or preseason and they were always going to bring him along
So at best the OPs comments are second guessing second guessing -- just be happy that these two are starting to show something -- it's a huge plus within a huge minus
Matt Peart only played 19 snaps vs Denver in week 1 before this past Sunday... has Solder been better? Hell no, can't be.
Brilliant. Great coaching.
Remember when Toney came in week 5 and got actual usage and went off for 190+ yards... he could have been doing this shit from week 1 its not his fault its the coaches.
What's crazy is with Saquon out, Slayton out, Shepard out AND Golladay out... they still only gave him like 50% of the offensive snaps despite him being unstoppable out there... WTF is that??? Oh yeah that's right, he's a rookie who missed time and missed camp and hasn't practiced all the plays and blah blah blah excuse excuse
Washington:19
Atlanta:46
New Orleans:49
Dallas: 37
Thanks.
Remember when Toney came in week 5 and got actual usage and went off for 190+ yards... he could have been doing this shit from week 1 its not his fault its the coaches.
What's crazy is with Saquon out, Slayton out, Shepard out AND Golladay out... they still only gave him like 50% of the offensive snaps despite him being unstoppable out there... WTF is that??? Oh yeah that's right, he's a rookie who missed time and missed camp and hasn't practiced all the plays and blah blah blah excuse excuse
From the couch you know he was healthy (COVID) and ready, knowing the playbook. LOl idiot
Snap counts say otherwise.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “This is unacceptable!!”
That kinda comes across as bullsh*t to me. So 2 weeks ago he could barely touch the field with Slayton ahead of him, but two weeks later he’s able to take over a game from the offensive side of the ball? Gimme a break.
Same with Peary/Solder, if Peary played as bad a solder did the fire 4 games he’d be on the bench…
There’s a seniority thing going on here
Yes. There are veterans who’ve earned their place in the lineup and Toney hadn’t even practiced yet. He didn’t even run routes in FLA. at the snap his role was to just “get open” for Trask and then do his thing making people miss. The brought him along slowly. Got to see him in practice. His timeline got moved up and fortunately he is an absolute beast! It worked out. It might not have. They weren’t going to start Toney over Slayton, Shep or Golladay week one after not playing in preseason.